Trust Me Bro, This BUS is totally as GOOD as a tram or a train!!! (Copenhagen BRT Review) 

I would even upgrade that statement to "sarcasm" 😬

I sense a suspicious release date for this 😂

​@@paulthiel5145 I was thinking the same not irony but sarcasm

Only a slight? XD

And you´d be right 😀

Haha. I took a second look because I thought I was actually missing it.

Yeah pretty much. Source: Spent 5 months studying there on exchange

Yup. The 5C buses were ordered before that became a requirement. Also hey Miles. Nice seeing you here and witnessing the wonders of "peak public transit", second only to the autonomous Light metro. Though we still struggle to reach the peak set by Detroit here in Copenhagen.

Yup pretty much!

Even the old gen bses in AArhus have USB retrofitted lol. Someone must have forgot to check that box when specking the ENTIRE 5C batch out 😆😆😆

I don’t know where you’re from but we have a frustratingly similar situation in Boston. The Silver line is more of a real BRT than this, but it was really supposed to be a train. They ran out of money, so they had to make it brt instead.

@@yaush_ They never run out of money, just change spending priorities.

​@yaush_ Silver Line was always supposed to be a bus, essentially replacing old Orange Line when the old Elevated Line was demolished and moved underground. It just became the poster child for the phenomenon of "BRT Creep" where BRTs get worse and worse throughout the development process by doing it for cheap. Maybe it can be part of the Green Line one day, but for now it's just sad.

You don't get it. They are no busses. They are BRT. That is the problem.

Yeah. Here in Copenhagen every single case where a route has received larger vehicles, it has resulted in service cutbacks. Only 2 lines in the city use articulated buses at all, the 5C and 2A. When the 2A switched from normal triaxle buses to articulated buses, its frequency was also slashed from every 4 minutes to every 7.5 at peak periods.

If course the frequency was cut - with fewer buses ordered than the number previously operating the (shorter) regular route. The thought was that the capacity, in terms of number of seats/standees per hour would be the same, given the higher capacity. Something which work well on a piece of paper. Reality... errr... not so much. And when you talk about frequency... try to get hold of some of the bus-schedules from the 1960s immediately after the original tram-lines were replaced by buses.... Almost all lines, even secondary got 3-5 minute intervals - and the many new standard buses were certified to carry 90+ passengers. The main problem in Copenhagen was bad post-war planning.... in the critical years 1945-1960 only 8 new tramcars were built, most of the original 1902-1905 vehicles still lingered on, together with some subsequent pre-WW2 additions to cope with expansion. This unfortunately had the same consequence as seen abroad, the citizens and their politician considered trams as something old fashioned and outdated - compared with all the new buses which were acquired during the post-war years! The 100 new trams during the 1960s was too few and too late - the public and official verdict was already in, and the system was doomed. In my world, as long as there is anyone still remembering the system in the 1960ssystem with the old worn-down rattling trams, any proposals of re-building a tram-system worth the name is doomed from the outset. That was why the decision-makers instead opted for the 'mini-metro' instead back in the 1990s when the decision was made. And those bringing up "the narrow streets of Copenhagen" are kindly reminded of cities like Amsterdam....

@@PerCPH2200 I think this shows that implementation is key. If you implement a solution badly, no matter if you call it Metro, tram or BRT, it's going to leave a sour taste in people's mouths. And this is a problem if you are actually advocating for public transport as it will cause people to distrust you in the future and be hesitant to any future proposals.

@@drdewott9154 To be honest that not too bad of a cut and is probabally for the better if the buses keep on bunching. But has the services got more crowded since the cuts?

@@drdewott9154Where I live in Germany I could only dream of such frequencies haha. Also those protected bike lanes I see I. The video

The Wi-Fi in my area is still ropey, but yeah my rural area got USB charging last year. I think planners simply go "all busses are the same" and keep cutting corners.

The 5c does have free wifi.

Since a lot of people use their smartphones to pay for bus tickets, and later to prove that they have a valid ticket, the lack of charging options is a problem.

You might be forgetting that the BRT is not at all yellow and red, its is yellow and sky blue, another huge advantage!

@@wouterpaap9343 Yellow and sky blue clearly adds 25 km/h to the top speed (when its eventually not stuck behind 3 other 5Cs and 20 taxies for once) but the whel covers. Think of the aerodynamics. That will definitely only add 3 hours to the delay when one eventually falls off at speed. Fantastic way to cock it up. Way to go Copenhagen. I'll take Odense Letbane any day of the week now that they seem to have sorted most of the issues out (Apart from the tram drivers hitting cars at the Stadium, hitting pedestrians, hitting bicycles etc)

@@Christian29200 the Odense Letbane hungers for the blood sacrifice of others in traffic.

BRT stands for Beautiful Rear Tires

There is a difference though ,for the regular bus there is 4 doors and the front door is double doors but the brt have 5 doors and the front door is a single door look at 2:30 which is the brt and 4:41 which is the normal bus and at 4:53 the seat layout ans the seat itself is a bit different 😅then the brt 😅

Yes! In Sweden the number is around 40 kg of particulate matter per person per year from road traffic. That's insane.

bendy buses are crap .. telling how London hastily scrapped theirs post-introduction 👏👏👏

Ride quality also depends on the bus driver as well. In my city, 80% of drivers slam the brake 3-4 times just to stop at the red light and station.

operators here also drive their fleets shittily, yet my years in London showed that those ones didn't (too much congestion most of the time), so their relieving themselves of *a l l* their articulated ones *m u s t* be saying something about these effing rejects

there had been decades of zanily speedy drivers along the (especial) nighttime routes who'd customarily jet down open streets, clipping 55MPH / 90KPH .. the fleets would lurch every which way plying the west's finest roadways hereabouts .. the following shows how nighttimers now take to clogging even expressway lanes, elevated or entrenched: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-XXY2WMtsvto.html ;)

Yeah but 5A used to be packed super tight everyday in rush hour. It's amazing what a difference better frequency makes. And dreadful what a difference worse frequency makes.

The crowding of the 250S is a real problem. 250S is the only real viable transportation option that can bring me home, unless I want to spend an additional half hour touring Kongelunden in a 33 or go to the airport for a 35 and have a long walk home or a wait of a 33 or 250S at end of their lines. It really needs to run more often, especially at peak hours.

Tykkere end ozonlaget

good brt and guided busways are very good and can be as good as a tram (or better) if built correctly. For example, Birmingham Metro mixes with traffic in the city centre and opens it's doors at stations for about 5 seconds. It's frequency is also around 12 mins which is terrible. Metrobus seems alright and priority measures have actually been made, although, the 30 second guided busway on the P&R line is a bit useless.

Trams don't necessarily have dedicated right-of-ways. It common in older system to have car lanes over the rails. I think it's good to have busses and trams share the same space under certain conditions, if it improves bus lines : if you have a very good trunk tram lines but busses are slow and stuck in traffic, that's not a good transit system.

"As easily and quickly as this BUS was introduced, it can be withdrawn..." My country would probably call that financial prudence & "conservation of scarce resources"

@@constancel4211 If they are planned well they only eat 1, maybe 2 lanes from the road or get built on a paralel street pedestrianising it. In this case there is plenty of room to play around for a tram route to not conflict with traffic.

Intresting must have been some kind of either replacement bus or something, ive never seen that on the 5C? Maybe you got a rail replacement bus for the metro or railway that also goes to the airport?

Well yeah, this is Copenhagens attempt at copying Malmö Expressen. Malmö Expressen is what started this insanity wave of BRT promotion across Denmark which is still continuing to this day, with BRT being claimed as being just as good and in many cases even better than Light rail, often with completely false information. But yeah this is Copenhagens attempt at copying Malmös homework and putting in even less effort. A proper light rail proposal existed around the same time but the city turned it down in favour of copying Malmö.

Butt Regular Transit

I think you might be right

Samme her, foretrækker til hver en tid 350s

That’s Volkswagen for you. (MAN/Scania are the trucks and buses made by VW)

@@sjokomelkI know, I’m a bus driver myself. Sadly the same fate has now also reached Scania, with the whole city bus production being cancelled just months after they released a brand new model…

Movia publishes their passenger numbers so should be easy to find. Very much looking forward to the new light rail

Also fairly close to my home :-)

The majority of the pollution from buses comes from their rubber tyres, not from their exhausts. This is exponentially true for heavy vehicles such as buses and trucks.

@@Redstarka22 I didn't say it was perfect, but I think it's the best option. Only the subway is superior but it's very expensive to build.

@@AFVEH a subway, a tram, and a trolleybus all serve completely different needs and are not interchangeable. Trolleybuses aren't scalable, trams aren't flexible, and subways aren't cheap.

@@Redstarka22 Trolleybuses are less scalable than regular buses but still really scalable. I'm not saying it's flawless, but it's the best we have for everyday public transport in urbanized areas. It's the most balance option amongst all those categories you stated.

@@Redstarka22 It feels like you just want to argue for the sake of it. 🤣🤣🤣

It for sure is possible with busses, they just did not bother here and still tried to pass off the project as BRT

Honestly a similar tale for a lot of Copenhagen busses. I've beat 350S from DTU to Nørreport on bike multiple times before

Haha, we actually did'nt, we use the same rough style so it was just a bit of a funny co-incedence :p

Eh, depends. Burning methane certainly produces less emissions than burning diesel, but methane is a very potent greenhouse gas, much more so than carbon dioxide even although not quite as long-lived in the atmosphere. So including leaks, it's quite possible that CNG is even more harmful than diesel in the "short term" of 20-30 years or so.

Thank you very much!

We actually use the very same bus type on Denmarks first "proper" BRT line, the Aalborg Plusbus. It opened in September last year and there's a video about it on the same channel. Part of the reason why Simon made this is because some BRT idiots were trying to use his video on the Plusbus to discredit trams and investments into trams over "The much superior BRT".

But you are getting a rail link to the airport. And honestly, the trolley line is very nice. High speeds, long busses, very short route

@@austriankangaroo The problem in Prague is that there's basically already a Metro line that gets you like 80% of the way to the airport, where you have to change to a bus (or vice versa if you're coming from the airport). It would be a lot smarter if they just extended the Metro line all the way instead of this patchwork solution.

@@Redstarka22 yeah but youll get a rail link and trains are nicer anyway with luggage

Mainland Europe has a lot of bendy buses

I assume this was meant to be on the 5C video i made, but the reason for putting the railway line though the beach was there was already a previos railway allignment making construction significantly less complex and cheaper.

It was marketed as such but as the video shows probably not quite :P

Yes double decker buses are unfortunately are the thing of the past, the last double decker ended in 2014 before they replace them with single deck buses. Though double decker do exist as hop on-hop off tour buses. I wish Copenhagen never removed double decker buses, they should had reduced the number of them instead of removing them altogether.

The thing is, to build a bus that even comes closes to replicate what a tram can do in terms of reliability and capacity, you also need to dig up the road to build dedicated lanes. Look at Aalborg which took just about as long to construct as the tram in Odense and that's with a lot of the infrastructure already existing in Aalborgs case. I can assure you that there is no way you waited 4 minutes for the signal to turn green. The most common cycle time in Denmark is about 60-80 seconds with up towards 120 being used in busy intersections. 3-4 minutes is unheard of 😊

@@Simon-Andersen I'll double check the wait time near Bilka. The wait was way longer than 90 seconds. Of course something could have been wrong. I'm not exaggerating to be funny. Closer to 3 minutes. I'm not an impatient person and accept that the tram needs to be there, but the system wasn't moving smoothly. It was about 4 weeks. ago, so it wasn't near it's opening either.

I disagree slightly. The marketing material referred to it as something along the lines of BRT-Like or BRT-Lite multiple times, suggesting it was at least close to a BRT. This was also how it was reported in media outlets like Ingeniøren, etc. However, this is/was an April Fools' video and it's not meant to be a proper deep dive into the 5C and its problems-just a bit of goof regarding what, in my opinion, is one of Copenhagen's most lacking transit corridors.

Trams are terrible they have terrible uptime due to people that keep crashing into them in that way a metro is far better and faster I also prefer busses because stops can be more frequent and much simpler and cheaper. (The tram like system in Aarhus and Odense is a great example of this)

The front-end is technically from a Neoplan

I don't

Der er ensrettet i sløjfen og plads til 2 busser ved udkørsel fra sløjfen👍

Only in the outskirts. There won’t be a central line for now.

Maybe check the release date of the video or watch to the end ;)

@@Simon-Andersen - I did watch your video comment to the end. A bus is not a 'tram' or 'trackless' tram. The word 'Tram' being a rail based vehicle, goes back to the 1500's where charts where pushed or towed on a lightly laid 'railway' for moving heavy items like logs, used in mines, etc.

@@chrismckellar9350 This was an April fools video making fun of the stupid things people claim about BRT busses and their derivatives as mentioned at the end of the video 😁 The track less tram was a joke about the article that went around the internet that China had invented such a thing. You shouldn't take what's mentioned in this video too seriously as it's quite the sarcastic post 😉

Standing on a predestian island on the crosswalk

You ever heard of April fools?

It was marketed as one during construction and its opening.

@@automation7295 I noticed that, but in fact it's not a BRT, it would be a bit better, but not the same as tram...

@@drdewott9154 While yes 5C was marketed BRT, but in reality it's not even a BRT. 5C is technically a glorified 5A with new buses and one new destination, just rebranded Cityline. If they want 5C to be a true BRT, they could've reconstructed every road to have dedicated bus lanes, or just made the 5C a tram rather than a bus.

@@goyakat2211 Yes it's not a true BRT. If Movia want a true BRT, they could consider reconstruct many road that 5C stops at to have dedicated bus lanes on the middle, or just build a new tram line and turn 5C into tram. Copenhagen even used to have trams until 1972, meanwhile other countries like Norway, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Germany and Austria still kept the trams. Now a new tram around Copenhagen is opening in 2025, they should've kept and preserved to trams.

It has rear wheels, they're covered.

Yup