Trying Waymo for My First REAL Robotaxi Ride!

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@Teddy_M85 День назад

The fact Waymo successfully pulled permits to operate in multiple cities is a big HELP to Tesla and all autonomous vehicles...

@catbert7 День назад

Yeah. I'm definitely glad Waymo has made people more comfortable with robotaxis. Hope Tesla's rollout goes as smoothly (though it probably won't, given the larger scale and Elon's drive for progress).

@my2iu День назад

California has allowed self-driving cars since 2019 and has repeatedly asked Tesla to join California’s self-driving car regulatory regime, but Tesla has repeatedly refused to do so. There’s nothing particularly onerous about being permitted to operate self-driving cars in California. Many other companies operate such cars in California. The main issue is that you must publicly report all disengagements and accidents.

@RIPToot День назад

Tesla doesn't have autonomous vehicles

@TroySavary 23 часа назад

No, it won't help at all, since Tesla refuses to play by the same rules as everyone else. All Tesla needs to do is report stats on things like disengagements, but they won't, because they are hopelessly behind Waymo and Cruise due to their fundamentally flawed approach.

@ke6gwf 16 часов назад

It's funny, people were saying the same thing about his other pet project of catching giant rockets with chop sticks, until a couple of days ago when he did it. I will laugh when he one day rolls out a fleet far advanced from Waymo, and everyone is shocked. Now, I am not holding my breath on the date, but I also see a lot of value in his unconventional approach, as demonstrated with his rockets. @@TroySavary

@nighthawk8412 День назад

Waymo rerouted at the end because of the police squad vehicle (cop car) that was blocking its' path (seen at the 20:06 mark).

@lowmax4431 День назад

Nice catch.

@jasonk125 День назад

Yes, interesting that they both seem to have missed that car blocking their path.

@besttoasterna4889 День назад

@@jasonk125 Almost like they missed it on purpose to talk bad about Waymo and promote Tesla FSD

@timber8403 День назад

lol… yeah, Tesla people are very insecure around Waymo.

@zoltanszeles1019 День назад

@@besttoasterna4889 Sure the car rerouted because the police(?) but the car braked like a wall was before it in 1 m. It was a really bad move...

@NascarAllOut День назад

You should set up a FSD Cannonball run each year. Get a bunch of FSD Tesla's together and see what group can make it the farthest across the country without a human intervention. Maybe nobody can make it out of Jersey the first year. By year 5 maybe someone makes it all the way to Indiana. It would be super interesting to track the progress and the videos would be fun to watch.

@kwoods3379 9 часов назад

I agree!

@timsmith5133 День назад

I rode Waymo in Phoenix AZ. Came right to my door and brought me right to my destination. I had a very positive experience and will use Waymo again. -;Gen Z

@shableep День назад

Honestly, best and most thorough tour of Waymo I’ve seen. Thank you!

@badtoro День назад

Not even close. Just youbute Waymo and there are really indepth videos.

@importon День назад

Honest assessment. Be careful Dirty Tesla, the high priests of the cult will excommunicate you for heresy

@importon День назад

Honest assessment. Be careful Dirty Tesla, the high priests of the cult will excommunicate you for heresy

@CrumResearch День назад

Super smart idea to film a Waymonride on that trip. I'm watching your video during breakfast with my family here in Utah, thanks!

@Pedrooo317 9 часов назад

20:00 lmaoooooo she jinxed it so hard

@scottthecrazy День назад

I do believe that it is a level 4 on the Autonomous Driving of the Society of Automotive Engineers

@paulmeynell8866 День назад

@@scottthecrazy yes it’s given per programmed routes and the area is HD mapped. It’s like sending your apprentice out with a paper map to catch a bottle of milk.

@qjz123 7 часов назад

@@paulmeynell8866at least it works… better than empty promises

@brianklaus2468 День назад

a different approach on the robotaxi- ultimately I believe the safest robotaxis will be when all cars can communicate with each other, but good luck getting corporations and car owners to agree to that

@jamesengland7461 День назад

That communication would be pointless to rely on. Already fsd doesn't need that, and the problem is no longer that lack of communication, but things like pedestrians, large animals, road debris, and the rare car which wouldn't be connected, which obviously couldn't be universally implemented EVER. Up to 25% of drivers aren't even insured; they won't further comply with a tracking and transmission device.

@bartdeking День назад

Is that because you communicate with all other drivers? Come on man. Computers wil drive way better all the time with using 3 instead of 4 eyes.

@sarkaranish 12 часов назад

@@bartdeking I think it's a smart idea to have cars communicate with each other and learn as a group instead of individually.

@bartdeking 8 часов назад

@sarkaranish not needed. You don't learn how to drive a car by being in communication with other drivers on the road right?

@sarkaranish 43 минуты назад

@@bartdeking Yes, but that's assuming that you need to drive like a human. Robots and computers are far more advanced in communication and that can be used to make roads safer. If they have the capability to communicate with each other and talk and even tell each other about road safeties and hazards and stuff, why not?

@joneclegg День назад

Waymo takes longer regardless of highways. I just got Waymo in Austin and compared routes between Google maps / Tesla Maps / Apple maps. They all would agree and get to a place in 15 minutes, Waymo was more like 20 minutes. It takes weird routes, I assume because they are easier.

@sarkaranish 12 часов назад

Well no, it's because it's more safe and cautious. Waymo has a great track record of being safe and they don't wanna risk that.

@AustinMutschler День назад

Living in Phoenix, they have been testing for the past 7 years. It’s now normal for me to be driving around 5-10 Waymo cars every drive.

@mikeyc8139 День назад

Thanks for that. Cool ride!

@Nahte001 День назад

Great vid as always, however I'm not sure what you said at 7:56 is true. Waymos aren't designed to operate in this way, so I feel as though the idea that you could "plop it down" and let it "try its best" is a little misguided. As I'm sure you're aware the fundamentals of Waymo's approach are markedly different to that of FSD; they perform SLAM to pre-made maps as opposed to using perception to build a map at runtime. This map includes everything from lane markings to traffic control to even the turning trajectory for each corner. Without these "hints" a Waymo would have very limited capacity to zero-shot a new environment, as their approach means they practically never need to (both a good and bad thing ofc). From what I've seen Waymo seems very impressive, but considering a Waymo van has never been to the country I live in, let alone my suburb, I think it's important to appreciate the nuances that distinguish their approach to Tesla's. edit: tesla isn't actually building a map from vision anymore, they're doing something even better - end-to-end policies. I could go on forever why I believe this is better but nobody asked :)

@rigeborod День назад

Yep, the main idea about Waymo system is to have high definition 3D scans which can be "substracted" from lidar data to pick up differences which are essentially other actors in the traffic. So I also think they cannot operate at all in the areas which were not 3D scanned.

@Xanthopteryx День назад

Tesla also have highly detailed maps and will work much worse without them. Waymo uses the maps as guidance, but even if a roadwork appear, it will still work.

@catbert7 День назад

@@Xanthopteryx You're not understanding the difference in detail. Tesla basically uses Google Maps, like the rest of us, just to know how to navigate the road network. THat is very different than Waymo's lidar-mapping, which provides a granular 3-d representation of everything on and around the road, along with, as OP said, rules of the road (aka doesn't need to read signs), turning trajectories, etc. Basically, Tesla FSD works with about the same info we humans do, if we were driving in a new enviroment - working off what we see. Waymo has been pre-taught every detail about the areas it drives in, as if it's been driving there for so long it could do it with eyes closed.

@Nahte001 День назад

@catbert7 It's a little more nuanced than this, made even more so with the V12 redesign. At the 2022 AI day they showcased a system they were developing that would aggregate data from different trips along the same road to automatically refine an HD map, however I haven't heard anything to this end since then. Considering their move away from map-based control I expect that this has been abandoned, or at the very least put away until ~V14+, at which point it may look less like an HD map and more like a neural memory bank (tesla ai team write that down). Either way, @Xanthopteryx is still way off the mark with their claim that Teslas would drive "much worse" without a map, I'm not sure what made them so confident in making such a false assertion.

@SyntheticSpy День назад

@@Nahte001 I believe the way it was presented was more that they reconstruct intersections or areas in simulation in order to train on unique or difficult driving scenarios, not that they were pulling that map while the car is navigating.

@slavko321 День назад

Tone it down bro, you're too enthusiastic for a FSD fanboy:) Waymo is pretty solid tho, checked their presentation once and it's not all about the HD maps, they need some recognition.

@JLars День назад

One of the biggest things FSD needs besides remote operators and quality maps is some visual indication for other cars to know they are dealing with a robot. Waymo has that in spades.

@JLars День назад

Maybe I should have said assistance not operators..

@digi3218 День назад

I agree FSD needs better map data. Maybe not as extreme as what Waymo has.. but for example I saw a video by Black Tesla of him using FSD in NYC and it was confused what lane to be in. Like it didn't know it shouldn't drive in the lane on the right with parked cars. So yeah, either better map data or smarter AI. Improving both would be ideal.

@robertmuntz799 День назад

@dirtytesla, I would like to see Tesla FSD take the same route in front of the Waymo. Same conditions. Would require two good youtuber's recording in each car. They should take the same route but allow the cars to re-route on the fly.

@catbert7 День назад

This has been done a number of times on other channels. Just search YT for Waymo vs Tesla.

@StefanNorberg День назад

Then do it from the back seat 1000 times.

@ric01dak День назад

I use waymo frequently in Phoenix. I have been seeing them more on the freeways, but there is always someone driving them.

@Maestronn1 День назад

Good review and FSD comparison. Phantom brake @ 20:05. You can see a police officer detouring traffic. I wonder if the sudden reroute was the Waymo system or a human monitor intervention.

@pennytrui1149 День назад

It was the waymo system the car tells you when it asks for help. You'll see on the screen a message then you'll hear a Bing. Then after it's been resolved the screen will say you're on you way!

@catbert7 День назад

@@pennytrui1149 You're assuming too much. There are obviously multiple ways a human can intervene. They can take over directly, or the car can ask them to make a decision, or they can send someone to physically drive it. The asking for a decision makes sense to tell the passenger why its waiting. An operator taking the wheel for a second would likely not warrant informing the passenger.

@pennytrui1149 День назад

@catbert7 umm the people can't control the car the can only give the car suggestions. So what you said is already false people have called in and said can you activate the wipers and the people couldn't even turn it on because all of it is automated. Also the car being controlled via a remote operator would be dangerous because of latency, lag etc

@StefanNorberg День назад

@@pennytrui1149 Remote assistance is only called when the car it stopped and doesn't know how to continue-

@MrTheBOZZ День назад

@@catbert7Support can only give instructions to the car but ultimately it's car's decision what to do. They can't "take over" control of it. Only Waymo's Roadside Assistance can physically drive the car (and in extreme cases officials like e.g. police officers although I'm not 100% sure).

@oneinstaller День назад

One thing that I noticed you fail to mention was how that you can actually see the brakes of the other cars and the blinkers whether it be from the front or the rear of the cars

@OrangutanSquash День назад

Impressive.

@StefanNorberg День назад

Chris. Level 4 has a limited operational design domain (ODD). Level 5 is on all public roads, everywhere, in all weather. Has nothing to do with steering wheels. Your're always a passenger in L4 and L5.

@fteoOpty64 День назад

But the fact that the steering wheel is there and moving and ai assume the pedals are operational as well mechanically, unless its sensor input is disabled or bypassed during self drive. That could post a hazzard to people sitting next to the driver seat...But you know that Teslas cancel FSD when you hit the brake hard for whatever reason. Seems from what I have seen China based self drive cars DISABLED the steering wheel and pedals while on Self Drive!. Only the Cancel button on the touch screen disables it. These are Pros and Cons in terms of safety and convenience.

@StefanNorberg День назад

@@fteoOpty64 Its handy if the car needs towing or manual operation.... Also You cannot seriously compare Tesla and Waymo. Different products in reality. Tesla marketing will try to convince you otherwise, but you cannot sell perpetual autonomy for an upfront fixed cost. Liability will kill you. One at fault and you're in the red. Two and you're bleeding.

@LarsRyeJeppesen День назад

@@fteoOpty64cars with no steering wheels are coming. Take time to produce

@StefanNorberg День назад

@@LarsRyeJeppesen It takes time to produce? It would take five minutes with a wrench tbh.

@headyhere День назад

I liked the way it went around a slowing vehicle pulling into parking lot. Nice AI behavioral move!

@gustephens111 День назад

I live in SF and waymo is an absolute game changer, never have had any issues

@MrCristopher99 21 час назад

dat brake timing :DDD

@turkishhusla День назад

Two different approaches, but the major difference is the scale. It could be argued that FSD is behind in overall smoothness at this point, however look at the cost and hardware to achieve robotaxi from the company with arguably the most map and road data. It's a race at this point to see if Waymo can reduce the cost and scale mapping faster than Tesla can bring FSD to level 5 autonomy. Tesla has achieved scale already with their cars and FSD. Tesla also has the distinct advantage of selling their robotaxi solution to the end consumer which Waymo does not.

@bear4278 День назад

I think it will be an interesting fight! Personally, my bet is Waymo wins the race. I don’t think the cost of the Waymo’s is a big issue because: a) the sensors get cheaper every day and buying them in bulk for mass production would make that even cheaper, and b) it just makes sense to have redundant systems in my mind. I would not be surprised if having them actually saves them money in the future compared to a vision only system because it will reduce the number of wrongful death payouts and the resulting time off the road for the fleet that would inevitably come after each fatal crash etc. As for data and scale, Tesla definitely do have the advantage there, but that may not be of any help if regulators deem that completely autonomous, vision only systems are too risky for use by the general public. All that said, I completely agree with you about them not selling them to the end user. Maybe Waymo are jest getting the trials out of the way first before making any plans to put them in customer hands but if not, Tesla might loose the fight, but they will likely win the war.

@turkishhusla День назад

@@bear4278 Some very good points, particularly around regulators and non redundant systems, however I think regulators might focus on miles per intervention as a general metric and not scrutinize how that metric is achieved. Waymo is a bit of a black box in how many interventions are occurring by tele operation. Waymo also doesn't make any vehicles so their approach will remain difficult to scale and integrate as their fleet will likely require several different vehicle types.

@Xanthopteryx День назад

Well, think of it like this: Waymo have no driver. Tesla have. Tesla just do not work. You can not compare the two. Teslas operating area is zero square meter. Zero.

@catbert7 День назад

Unless Waymo becomes an auto and lidar manufacturer, there is no chance of them getting close to cost parity with Tesla. Even if they did those things (which they absolutely won't), it would still be cameras vs lidar + cameras + radar and good luck meeting Tesla on cost-efficient production. So, cost parity is out of the question. Scaling is also never going to be fast for Waymo, so their only real hope is that Tesla's solution never works well enough to be a robotaxi... which would basically require it to stop improving now, or possibly even months into the past, since FSD is already good enough in some places. So, I don't think there's any realistic analysis where Waymo wins. But I am glad they helped pave the way. A lot of people came to trust robotaxis due to Waymo. Hopefully Tesla will maintain that trust.

@catbert7 День назад

@@Xanthopteryx Adults are talking Xan. If you aren't capable of using your imagination to look into the future, just don't comment on discussions that are specifically about that 🙃

@robj5780 День назад

It is level 4 because it is geo-fenced. Level 5 would allow it to drive anywhere. This has nothing to do with having a steering wheel. There are Waymo cars all over our neighborhood for some time now. Everyone seems to just gotten used to them driving around which just indicates how well they are driving. We are always so impressed with FSD but the Waymo cars are already doing the driving everyday. I get the argument about the technology difference but in the end, for most users, does it really matter? Tesla is already talking about Robotaxis in CA and TX and FSD is already geofenced (granted, all of the US). The two are not that different. Waymos are driving on the freeways in the Phoenix Area.

@Xanthopteryx День назад

Tesla is talking about it yes, but no real thing has come out despite promises for ten years. And no real thing will come out next year either.

@craighermle7727 День назад

I trailed FSD for 90 days on a 24 Y. I wouldn't trust FSD to do what Waymo is doing. I'm not at all convinced that a vision-only system will ever be sufficient

@kenion2166 День назад

@@craighermle7727 If you would geofance tesla and give HD maps it would perform as good. Additional sensors doesn't make it a better system. Sensor overload is a huge problem since you have sensors giving you mixed results which makes the decisions more complicated. Additional you need a lot more computation power. Tesla as example doesn't use the front bumper camera for FSD since its just to expensive to spend the additional compute on that. Sure with better hardware in the future we can add more sensors. But since I'am working in this field I can tell you that Waymo runs all the sensors on the roof on a low inference rate which makes it almost impossible to use in high speed situations. The other option is to throw insane amount of compute on it... Making the car insane expensive and consumption high, its not hard to achieve geo fenced self driving, its hard to achieve it cheap enough to make profit with it..

@TroySavary 23 часа назад

@@kenion2166Blah, blah, Tesla better, blah. Meanwhile, real world proves you wrong.

@georgepelton5645 17 часов назад

Good point about Tesla being geofenced. I bet Tesla's overseas customers wish it was not!

@NaughtyGoatFarm День назад

I still want to know how many remote operators are sitting somewhere making sure these don't shit themselves.

@lapaleves День назад

last time GM was giving out some data it was terrible, like operator time was half (or one third) of drive time in average or so (including holidays, illnesses, etc.). not sure about the exact number, i just remember it was shockingly bad ratio. i guess google has some IT tricks to go lower than that, but i imagine still a money pit.

@carternll День назад

kinda funny cuz i guarantee you waymo has less “failures” then FSD.

@YungAnt7 День назад

@@carternllnot comparable waymo can only operate in mapped out environments. FSD can free roam and come across many more challenges. As we saw in robotaxi event Tesla just had, it’s easy to quickly make cars operate in mapped out environments

@Xanthopteryx День назад

Well, none really. The car asks for help if something is a problem.

@Xanthopteryx День назад

@@YungAnt7 Tesla can't operate autonomously anywhere.

@topgun9666 День назад

Did you guys miss they had the road closed at the end with a guy blocking the street? FSD would have blown right through that lol

@mrpaul5726 День назад

To be fair it is a contrast between Apples and Pears. One massive difference is the Cost. A fully equipped Waymo when new is approximately $300,000, whereas Teslas start at $40,000 throw in FSD say $8,000 at the moment, round it to $50,000. So you can get 6 Teslas with FSD for the same price as a Waymo car.

@lukasweishaupt2708 День назад

Your numbers are very outdated... Back in 2021, they ranged between $130,000 and $150,000. In the past three years, the engineers at Waymo have been fully focused on reducing the price of a Waymo, so I'm sure they are already below $100,000.

@mrpaul5726 День назад

@@lukasweishaupt2708 I don't agree, but I would be happy to change my numbers if you can provide evidence of your claim, which I doubt as I verified mine and yours figure of 100,000 is purely an opinion.

@ΣτέφανοςΚόκκαλης-τ1ν День назад

Waymo has not publicly disclosed the exact cost per vehicle for its autonomous cars, but estimates suggest that the integration of its advanced sensor suite-such as cameras, lidar, and radar-adds tens of thousands of dollars to a vehicle's base cost. For example, earlier versions of Waymo's autonomous vehicles cost around $300,000 to $400,000, largely due to the expensive technology involved, although costs have been steadily decreasing with the introduction of newer generations. The 6th-generation Waymo Driver system, launched recently, has been optimized for cost efficiency by reducing the number of sensors without compromising safety. However, while the exact price reduction isn't specified, Waymo claims this generation is significantly cheaper than previous models due to advancements in hardware and sensor technology.

@bear4278 День назад

@@lukasweishaupt2708plus these things are basically still custom built prototypes so I am sure it would be a whole lot cheaper again if they actually wanted to mass produce them 😊

@mrpaul5726 День назад

@@bear4278 Time will tell...I am very sceptical on your low ball numbers for Waymo but my main point is we are comparing Apples and Pears. Waymo are great for what they are it is just that Tesla will achieve the same thing for a fraction of the price and you can drive them anywhere, not just a chosen box in a city

@TeslaTopics 20 часов назад

So what’s the game plan for Waymo? It’s geofenced, and has been for a long time. What’s next for it? How long will it take to be able to do what FSD does and travel the entire North America?

@Valsiphez 23 часа назад

thx C&S! As a shareholder it's good to get your expert judgement and remarks!

@DerKatzeSonne Час назад

You can even hear the tires screeching from braking and turning so quickly when it suddenly reroutet because of the police blockage, lol

@rmkep День назад

Living near SF, Waymos are everywhere there. I did the ride once and had an experience similar to yours. The Geo fenced aspect of Waymo is more significant than you stated. They simply will not operate anywhere that has not been geo mapped and that takes a long time. You'll never see one pulling up to your house on a dirt road in the country. Oh and the Jaguar IPace you were in is in the $400K range to fully outfit for self driving Waymo style. Doesn't sound like a viable option for autonomous driving to me ...

@LarsRyeJeppesen День назад

New cars specifically designed for self drive ( no steering wheel etc) are on order

@cupcakeapplesauce День назад

Good to see you guys in LA, Dirty Tesla touring the country

@jamesengland7461 День назад

A quite fair review.

@manishchhetri 10 часов назад

Awesome video, happy to see video of waymo - very impressive. When do you think Tesla will start real FSD trials (driverless) ? 3 years ?

@sarkaranish 12 часов назад

what an incredible product! I definitely trust this more than Tesla's FSD solution considering that this has Lidar, Radar, and cameras. Hopefully they can scale this sensor suite and make it cheaper!

@o_tdiggity Час назад

the best part is you can change the hvac controls. getting in a lyft/uber with a cheapo that wont turn the ac on or leaves all the windows open is such a pain.

@paulmeynell8866 День назад

It’s interesting to see you scrutinise this in detail and the Stephanie brake was hilarious. But in reality when people travel they are on there phone or talking and would not notice a thing. Cybrlft has had 15000 passengers and when he asks if people noticed the car was driving itself , none of them had a clue! That tells me the general driving is fine, so just need to sort pick-up and drop off.

@catbert7 День назад

They'll notice the brake 😏

@TheTeslaBaz День назад

Cool Video! And this ladies and gentlemen is the real reason why Tesla is adding the rear screen to all the vehicles…it’s for the robotaxis!

@craighermle7727 День назад

Thanks for posting. I own a Tesla and I tried FSD for 8,000 miles. I'm not a fan of it. When FSD can operate legally without a driver I'll give FSD another try. Right now Waymo is ahead of the driverless game. WAYMO is doing what it does legally and Tesla can not.

@catbert7 День назад

Looking forward to the day when we can directly compare Waymo and Tesla robotaxi ride performance.

@Michael_H_Nielsen День назад

the most effecent adreal in a video ever. if all were like that it would be so much easier to handle :)

@alexp.6406 День назад

Impressive! Good for some competition, come on FSD team! I want to be able to already drive my paid off FSD without having to take over all the time.

@bartdeking День назад

The issue is that Tesla creates an intelligent system that will work averywhere. This is coded fussy logic that will never be rolled out everywhere. So it might seem cool it is not even close to where Tesla is. Besides that this setup is and will for ever be to expensive to build and maintain.

@wreckinball11 День назад

Before auto speed set I had no problem with FSD speed control. It sometimes went over the speed limit but so do humans.

@cisy День назад

Waymo's visualization is very smooth compared to the jittery FSD. Not sure if that's a bug with FSD or just cameras aren't as accurate as the lidar/radar.

@MsAjax409 18 часов назад

It was a software bug that has now been fixed.

@sl1nk3 5 часов назад

Yeah that's funny you mention that, they just fixed it, but waymo has better visuals from high resolution lidar and pre mapped environments so they'll always have an edge here unless Tesla starts doing the same kind of HD maps

@GreginLA18 15 часов назад

Cool you’re in LA. I got an invite for that cause I live in that area for the coverage but I haven’t tried it yet. If you’re in Santa Monica or Beverly Hills or West Hollywood check out the Urth Caffe. They have the best coffee.

@ke6gwf День назад

My memory is that level 5 can't require pre mapped or limited by geo fence.

@LarsRyeJeppesen День назад

Correct

@StefanNorberg День назад

@@LarsRyeJeppesen It can be using priors like HD-maps. The only definition of L5 is that it is in an unlimited ODD (any time, any weather, any road).

@ke6gwf День назад

So in that case, it has to be able to drive where there is no HD map, such as down a driveway or forest road, or a new subdivision that hasn't been mapped yet. So it can USE HD maps, just not REQUIRE them. @@StefanNorberg

@StefanNorberg День назад

@@ke6gwf Search for "weights and biases angelouv" and jump to the chapter on "lidar" which discusses hd-mapping too.

@StefanNorberg 23 часа назад

@@ke6gwf "Able to drive" and "able to drive 100000 times in a row without failure" are two different things. The latter is needed to remove the driver and Tesla is in the first category.

@computertutorials1286 День назад

20:04 She definitely jinxed it.

@aminesaib День назад

They used Highways when I was in AZ couple years ago.

@Jaw0lf День назад

Fantastic comparison of Teslas FSD and it shows how far Tesla are, bearing in mind that Waymo only run in a designated area that has been fully mapped. Tesla can go anywhere and npw that really does work!

@Xanthopteryx День назад

Well, not really. Because, Tesla does not work as an automated driving car. Waymo does. Tesla is years behind. They will not have an automated car for years. Unless they change direction and go for some very limited areas. Then maybe(!) within a year or two. In that very limited area. But most certainly not.

@xXtim128Xx День назад

@@Xanthopteryx It's the other way around. Tesla is years ahead of competitors. Region-locked self-driving with HD-maps is a much easier problem to solve...

@Xanthopteryx День назад

@@xXtim128XxThen ting is... that Tesla have not solved anything.

@miixer День назад

@@Xanthopteryx Another Waymo D-Rider. 🤷‍♂️

@TheSpartan3669 День назад

@@miixerThey aren't wrong though....

@z4zuse День назад

Going to be interesting when next year CA and TX are the first in the Tesla Network. I wonder if it would (in principle) be state wide or not.

@LarsRyeJeppesen День назад

Next year? Lol are you drunk, Elon?

@davec2211 День назад

Altogether a good journey completed Chris & Stephanie, apart from the cruel braking event. Is lidar dangerous for people's eyesight, Pedestrians I mean? - it works so if they ring fence the USA and then the world they have cracked it

@StefanNorberg День назад

No. Also the breaking was due to the road being closed off by cops, which Chris missed.

@Someone_Cool.x3 День назад

Great video🥰

@Adrb22 День назад

Great video. Don’t you think that if Tesla only operated in a limited downtown area that tested and mastered for a few months that it would be just like a Waymo? I think the fact that Tesla can be used anywhere is not a small thing, is the whole point.

@15Stratos День назад

The fact that fsd is a generalized system/solution is actually the whole point of it

@jasonk125 День назад

Except Tesla does not use HD maps, so if it made a mistake, it would keep making that same mistake over and over. People often complain that it drives like it is new in town even on roads close to home that it has driven hundreds of times.

@Xanthopteryx День назад

No it will not. It will take years for Tesla to master a tiny area. If ever.

@mobiuscoreindustries День назад

@Xanthopteryx true, after all they already operate in a huge chunk of a continent and plan to expand to the entire planet as soon as regulations allow for it. Clearly once you can operate across an entire state it becomes a lot harder to figure out a single town... It's also not like they set up a robotaxi event a week ago in a small, controlled sector where things did work really well.

@Xanthopteryx День назад

@@mobiuscoreindustriesTesla operates in zero areas. The event was faked of course. As usual with Tesla.

@georgepelton5645 18 часов назад

Waymo is definitely level 4. To be level 5 it must be able to drive on all roads and any conditions that an average human driver can. Fun face: Statistically about half of human drivers are below average, so they are not capable of L5 driving either! 😂

@paulmeynell8866 День назад

I want to see an fsd Tesla , with this areas high definition maps loaded, instead of google maps. Then take it for a test here , I think it would be spectacular.

@Xanthopteryx День назад

There is a high detail map in Tesla, but you do not see it. What you see is one thing, but what the car uses is behind the scenes. Without that detailed map, it behaves even worse.

@Steven-nz3rv День назад

I personally trust waymo more than FSD. I drive a Model Y with FSD 12.5.4 and it ran a red light and almost hit someone all in the same ride, I think there's a lot of improvements that needs to be fixed. I'm not to hype anything, just speaking honest truth.

@JK-jx1jw 20 часов назад

How much did Waymo cost?

@jamesengland7461 День назад

That sudden stop was something Chris couldn't see coming from his angle. Cut him a little slack! This was candid and in the moment, and focused on listening to his lovely wife.

@carlagat1075 День назад

The phantom breaking with Stephanie was hilarious. "Okay......" 😂

@Blockiee 14 часов назад

Phantom breaking where? The part where the police officer forced them to turn?

@carlagat1075 12 часов назад

@Blockiee Yes, there was no reason for the Waymo to slam on the brakes to make the right turn. That car was in the middle of the street. The Waymo should have rerouted itself while it was moving.

@MrUltrAdaman День назад

I’d argue that Waymo is level 4 and can only be Level 4 since it is geofenced… while covering “many” conditions it cannot handle a novel situation where it is plopped in a completely new and unseen/unmapped location without a human and told to navigate. Tesla has the potential to get there on the current FSD pathway, Waymo arguably does not on its current pathway.

@StefanNorberg 23 часа назад

Level 5 is a an aspirational level and no one expects there to be any such vehicles in our life time.

@craighermle7727 День назад

The ride looked quite competent. WAYMO works, albeit with signficant restrictions, but FSD still isn't capable of being used commercially. There's a lot to say about WAYMO's accomplishments.

@justohird5685 22 часа назад

Waymo only report interventions when a teleoprtator has to touch the steering wheel or pedals. Telling it to do anything elae on a touch acreen (such as change lanes, go past the cones, go faster etc) is not an intervention

@ArizVern День назад

LOVE YOU TWO

@anshulg14 День назад

Watching your videos, i feel tesla can implement this solution too after 12.5....maybe they don't need too, as busy selling cars and will implement better solution 😊

@Adrb22 День назад

Question. How does Waymo count interventions? Would a remote small input from a tele-operator count? Is Waymo sharing all those big and small tele-interventions?

@xclypse День назад

I saw somewhere they only count intervention when the operator take the wheel. If the operator only click at the map its not count. So far i understand, you can drive to anywhere only by clicking at the map and it will not count as intervention. I dont know if that is true, but if it is, looks like cheating to me.

@Xanthopteryx День назад

Remote operator only intervene when the car asks for it. And they can not control the car. The car might ask "Should i go left or right or reverse for this obstacle?" and they can say "Go left". But. The car still drives(!). So if the car deems it unsafe at that exact moment it will NOT do what it was told. It might instead find another way by itself (remember, traffic constantly change) or it may ask a new question.

@catbert7 День назад

@@Xanthopteryx Where did you read this? Or is it just trust-me-bro?

@LarsRyeJeppesen День назад

Yes Waymo reports interventions publically. Tesla does not

@TransitAndTeslas День назад

Lyft? You are supposed to connect to these from regular public transit lol.

@ps3301 20 часов назад

Most of these autotaxi work fine in normal circumstances. When there is anomaly, that is when u regret sitting in one.

@luciachjd2772 День назад

How much did it cost and how much compared to standard Uber or Lyft? Does anyone think they will put six seats and a table facing each other? What about autonomous limo?

@johnmartinez5979 День назад

I thought the waymo would be cheaper than an uber since there’s no driver. Don’t think they would be almost the same price

@StefanNorberg 23 часа назад

Why would they price a better service cheaper? The cars are nicer and you get to ride alone.

@BigBadJerryRogers 6 часов назад

@@StefanNorbergI couldn't care less how nice it is, I need cheap cheap rides. That's the whole point for tons of people.

@StefanNorberg 4 часа назад

@@BigBadJerryRogers try public transport?

@BigBadJerryRogers 32 минуты назад

@@StefanNorberg LoL, yeah right. How about you try public transport when you're totally drunk downtown in LA at 3am and you need to get to the valley

@StefanNorberg 28 минут назад

@@BigBadJerryRogers I don't know if you're a socialist or something. But the only thing that brings down prices is competition - supply and demand. Until there are many thousands of robotaixs in CA they won't lower the price point as humans can't compete and make a profit.

@immortaltobi9679 День назад

Didn't think you were gonna cheat on your Tesla like that Chris but hey, what happens in LA stays in LA

@U2B_Viewer День назад

Waymo is connected to all of the traffic infrastructure that's why it seems like it's going on red lights because it actually knows when the light will change

@Xanthopteryx День назад

No. But it can analyze the pattern around it and see what happens in the traffic.

@rickkay9548 День назад

Incorrect. The infrastructure is not smart like this. Waymo is just smart enough to know the timing on lights

@U2B_Viewer День назад

@rickkay9548 the trickery they do with their system. I was making this assumption because I once seen a visual where they were showing a countdown for the traffic light

@rickkay9548 День назад

@@U2B_Viewer that’s not a connection to infrastructure, it’s knowledge of basic timing.

@U2B_Viewer День назад

@@rickkay9548 we've acknowledged that

@Pedrooo317 9 часов назад

I totally get why people that only rode Waymo don't believe in FSD. And the other way around too.

@ricardoveras3433 День назад

To me it seems like Tesla w AI only has been more reliable in getting better at situations it’s had trouble with without regressing as much in other areas. I’m the grand scheme of things at least. Is this actually the case or am I not watching enough? Because if this is the case and they just recently are getting their new computer up to scale and finishing up other FSD needs, it seems like soon they’ll be solely focused on improving edge cases with a way better supercomputer, which would then quite quickly start getting better at all edge cases it’s currently not the best at and could become legal by next year in Texas and California as they hope for. And then once more cars are autonomous for much more time it’ll quickly improve even more. Then cybercab should be able to scale quite well the following few years.

@briansmith8320 День назад

20:05 That was awesome! Haha

@Xanthopteryx День назад

Comparable to Tesla? You mean, Tesla is comparable to Waymo. And not Waymo is similar to Tesla - Tesla is similar to Waymo. Remember, Waymo have been doing driverless, for the public(!), for 4 years now!

@spongeintel9323 День назад

Waymo is a Roomba with a larger fence. sorry bud roomba have been doing autonomous vacuuming for 20 years now! that means Roomba is simply superior in any and every metric.

@pennytrui1149 День назад

@@spongeintel9323 buddy is comparing a simple vacuum with a real life car worth 500k lmfao. Guess roomba is better then tesla too how many years and you still have to babysitt a tesla meanwhile I can leave my roomba to scan my house they couldn't even leave the robotaxi alone to drive lame af 😂

@LESLEYMARKS-f3j День назад

What would happen if you left the door open after the ride ?

@mrbing70 День назад

Hopefully 10 years from now, this will be mainstream everywhere in.usa

@StefanNorberg 23 часа назад

It will be given Waymos trajectory. Four states by Q1 2025.

@marklefler4007 День назад

seems like Waymo has this figured out better than Tesla, at least in geofenced cities.

@mobiuscoreindustries День назад

So... they figured out how to follow virtual tracks in a closed off city with a virtual driver vehind the wheel to nuge the vehicle every time it makes a mistake? Scalability of such a system is basically null, they are just lucky that unlike Tesla their buisness model does not actually require the car to understand how to drive and understand it's environment. Just follow the virtual rail and query the operator every intersection or so every time it has issues. Waymo figured a compromise they seem happy with for now. But they have not solved self driving and with the limitations it the techology they chose, they never will. But again appart form their marketing, who keeps saying they will, they do not have millions of vehicles across the planet that need to have this capability. Tesla is aiming to actually solve the problem, without compromise. Doing so is difficult to the extreme.

@StefanNorberg День назад

@@mobiuscoreindustries Complete bullshit: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5qpwafctMUw.html

@gtibbot День назад

I will take a spinny thing on the top of my M3 if it will actually make FSD work 🙂

@thesteaktc День назад

So for its application it’s better than Tesla currently. But I suppose the point is that Tesla is going to do more than that. Not just pre mapped areas etc.

@briansmith8320 День назад

What’s the top speed a Waymo will currently go while driving without assistance?

@Xanthopteryx День назад

The legal speed of the road.

@briansmith8320 День назад

@@Xanthopteryx So what speed is that? They don't go on highways, correct? Most Waymos i've seen are going 25-30 mph. Are there roads where they are going 50? 60? What's the top speed they've gone while driverlessly driving people without remote assistance?

@Xanthopteryx День назад

@@briansmith8320Just check their service areas.

@StefanNorberg День назад

@@briansmith8320 45 at present. They will do 60 on highways driverless (currently employee only, not yet open to the public)

@StefanNorberg 23 часа назад

@@briansmith8320 45mph. 60 on highways (but that's employee only, not yet open to the public - but driverless)

@pyoodiepie 23 часа назад

now if it looked like it was gonna crash I would think you would jerk steering wheel away

@martincday007 День назад

True, the Waymo when driverless is geofenced, and it doesn't do highways. If comparing level 2 systems, and there was a Waymo level 2 system available, then the Waymo would not need to be geofenced and just like the Tesla, it would do any roads and highways. Comparing Waymo with FSD level 2 is comparing apple and pears. If you want to compare Tesla fully automation with Waymo then compare the Waymo trip featured here with the Tesla Robo Taxi event where after ten years, Tesla's autonomous driving was limited to a 20-30 acre geofenced 5mph ride on a pre-programmed, pre-mapped and heavily rehearsed route with no traffic and no pedestrians. That would be the fairer comparison. The ability for Waymo to be remotely assisted isn't a flaw it is part of the complete fully autonomous solution from a company that doesn't claim to have resolved all the problems and that respects the challenges that it faces and is working steadily towards the need for less and less human assistance and expanding its horizons. Waymo works with first responders, to avoid areas and to allow first responders to take control. The reason that Waymo is only just now testing highway driving is because the highway driving although technically less challenging (single carriage, no pedestrians, no traffic lights and no sharp corners), the speed the vehicle needs to travel at means that an incident may require split second evasive manoeuvres and that stopping a vehicle on a highway could in itself cause a problem. Fully autonomous highway driving creates a completely different set of challenges. When Tesla's FSD disengages there is a driver ready to take over (or should be), in a Waymo, disengaging is not an option. It is claimed that FSD only uses the sensor that human drivers use, i.e. vision. But human drivers for the majority of time are driving along familiar routes, so they more often than not use mapping. They also are aware of weather conditions, wind speeds and temperature. Human drivers do, or at least should be, using far more than just their vision when driving.

@miixer День назад

Waymo D-Rider. 🤷‍♂️

@LarsRyeJeppesen День назад

You missed current news regarding highways it seems

@martincday007 День назад

@@LarsRyeJeppesen please enlighten me.

@Martinko_Pcik День назад

I think it is not a public knowledge how many miles does Waymo has per intervention. Only how many miles per accident.

@StefanNorberg 23 часа назад

There is no such thing as "interventions" in an autonomous vehicle. The car is autonomous. It may not proceed from a stand-still in some rare occations and then does "phone home" and gets a command like "safe to pass to the right" or "back up and reroute".

@llcooljay66 День назад

They remote pilot the cars as well

@princeofexcess День назад

sf has highways for a little bit now.

@01ananto День назад

just use your samsung phone for better footage, the inside camera looks so noisy and grainy

@Kimbrough87 День назад

I wonder, could you put groceries in the trunk?

@pennytrui1149 День назад

Yes you can

@paulmeynell8866 День назад

It’s not an argument for fun. Weymo is level 4 which means it can only operate in a geofenced area that has been high definition mapped. Also I believe all routs are planned off board at Weymo then a specific route I’d downloaded to the car , which it follows. It has no plain it just matches the patten in front of it with what was downloaded to it.

@StefanNorberg 23 часа назад

The car is 100% autonomous and can operate without any form of remote connection. However, it will not take new passengers since it cannot be managed/tracked and the customer in the car need to be able to contact customer service.

@Arcticwhir День назад

i wanna try it in michigan!!!

@JBS7551 День назад

Would way rather use this than an Uber

@DirtyTesla День назад

Big time, but throughout our trip, it wasn't available at at either our pickup or drop off spot any time we needed a ride :/

@JBS7551 День назад

@@DirtyTesla One day soon 🙏

@pyoodiepie 23 часа назад

couldn’t some hacker get control of it and make it crash?

@b10rn День назад

"It looks very good. Looks natural." Car that looks like something NASA designed rolls up💀

@DirtyTesla День назад

I mean the way it was moving 😂

@Torgrim5958 День назад

Are we sure it's not a guy sitting in a seat driving the car remotely?

@LarsRyeJeppesen День назад

Yes

@aminesaib День назад

When I tried it in Phoenix a couple of years ago, I remember struggling to figure out how to open the doors-then realized I needed to use the app. You guys are way smarter than me, lol.

@robkeshav800 День назад

Chris - How does this compare to your Cybercab ride? If Elon is right Cybercab ride will be much cheaper.

@StefanNorberg День назад

The cybercab doesnt operate on public roads

@robkeshav800 День назад

@@StefanNorberg I know that Cybercab currently does not operate on public roads but hopefully it will ply on roads in CA & TX once they get regulatory approvals, as Elon mentioned in his remarks. My question for Chris was how the Waymo ride felt compared to his FSD 12.5.6 ride on his MY.

@StefanNorberg День назад

@@robkeshav800 There are no regulatory rules that stop them from deploying if they had the tech ready. The legal frameworks in Ca and Tx has been ready for years.

@MsAjax409 18 часов назад

FSD could have performed that drive easily. It wasn't the least bit challenging. Waymo cabs are supervised remotely. A human will intervene when necessary, Waymo is quiet on this aspect of their system. I assume it's like the way Amazon's Zoox works. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NKQHuutVx78.html