I remember when I first saw this scene literally jaw-dropped at how well it had been filmed and conceived...I was disappointed when this show was cancelled. It definitely had potential.
Sadly, while the people running the show and acting in the show all cared about it, the studio ultimately didn't. They just wanted something they could run for 1-3 seasons to build hype for the then-new Terminator: Salvation, and once that was done, they pulled the plug. Assholes.
This scene is so brilliant. From a production standpoint, they completely avoided a costly action scene, yet still conveyed exactly what they needed to for it to have the same impact. Them getting tossed out one by one like ragdolls, the radio chatter in the background, bullet impacts on Cromartie, bodies scattered everywhere. So much is shown without any theatrics or even seeing the gun fight at all. You just know that whatever happened, he took them all down effortlessly and they never stood a chance. He's even holding one of their MP5s at the end, so he must have ripped it from the first guy and taken down the rest with it.
but if he took a gun from the first guy why toss the others in the water ? they just be stay put when he shoot then. and dont know if bein toss like that and land on water would kill a person i know it kill if from a great distance but it look like second or 3 floor
@@Mrvideogameoficial - Either efficiency (clears the immediate area of combatants), or it was a walking/running battle away from the hotel room, and Cromartie was killing and throwing away obstacles in his path on his way towards Ellison. The nature of the aftermath shows a bunch of bodies near the stairs the team came up, suggesting it more of a running firefight away, with Greta and Ellison being the last remaining team members.
Definitelly has. Especially how they show the bits of this scene the whole season to let it graduate in epic season finale. Just like Breaking Bad. Plus it even is shot in Albequerqe hehe.
I think this is when the black cop found out that all that stuff he couldn't believe was true was actually true. That's the most powerful part of this scene to me.
This is the sort of thing that gets shows Emmys for the producer. A full FBI tactical team trying - and failing - to take down a Terminator ? Shoot the action and you need 2 weeks and a huge budget. You can shoot this in a day or two for a fraction of the cost. The best part ? This is better than anything you get without a James Cameron or a John Woo behind the camera.
That's really a great point. We've all seen terminators killing people. Seeing him kill a few more won't mean anything and cost a lot of money. Watching the bodies go 1 by 1 and the constant diminishing screams is more chilling.
It’s 2020 and I’m still watching this scene. It has to be one of the most infamous parts of the series. Unfortunately it’s not apart of Terminator Canon but it’s still an awesome watch.
@144thousandImmanuel Nah, it's mainly because FOX pulled another Firefly on the show, with their poor decisions causing too low of a viewership, what with airing the show at the wrong time, etc.
Garret Dillahunt really is a great actor. Cold and chilling as a terminator, reaching similar heights to Arnie and Robert Patrick even. But he's also great as the goofy and bumbling Burt in Raising Hope.
One of the most powerful scenes of the series. Cromartie, a single T-888, slaughters an entire FBI SWAT team and has Ellison dead in his gunsights, barely even scratched by a combination of fire from submachineguns, shotguns and pistols. Then he just...walks away. It's at this point you knew for certain Terminators could think for themselves-he did it because he saw the value in having a terrified and capable FBI officer who already knew about Terminators and the Connors under his control. It's also the most frightening scenes, because having a heavily armed paramilitary team storm his apartment barely seems to have distracted him. This is why Skynet is really so terrifying, imagine an army of thousands of thinking walking weapons of mass destruction armed to the teeth only dogs can tell from human after you, armed for war and so tough it takes armour-piercing rounds or explosives to drop one for good. They never stop, they never sleep, and the dedication to the mission is absolute and unquestioning. Garret Dillahunt did a very good job of reminding us why we should fear Terminators.
@@crocodyluspontifex7434 That was .50 cal. It's not so easy to just run around with those and terminators would be far better at snipping them humans. Thing is, that is the idea. If there would be no way of taking them down, there would be no movies. An AGI would not make terminators, he would make something so advanced, so incredible we would never be able to understand what just happened to us, it would be like magic.
All of that terror was negated later on when Sarah and 90210 guy took down Cromartie with MP-5s, the same weapon the SWAT guys were using all because they plot armor.
Yeah, as if those FBI agents knew that he was a fucking terminator, plus, how are they expected to shoot it in the eyes when he is a moving target. I'm still pissed this show was cancelled and family guy is still running.
I recently re-watched this after finding both seasons at a goodwill for $5. I hadn't seen it since it originally aired. I was really looking forward to seeing this part again to see if it still held up. It does. This scene really drives home how bad the resistance had it. I mean in the first movie The Terminator kills all the cops but they weren't prepared. They scrambled to mount a defense and were annihilated. These guys were READY for action (even though they didn't know what they were walking into) and even wearing body armor plus outnumbered The Terminator and didn't stand a chance. Now imagine Nuclear War survivors, starving, in a wasteland, far outnumbered by Terminators, plus Terminators that can fly, trying to fight back after watching this scene. Kyle was right in the first movie. Without John humans would have been hunted to extinction.
It's worse when you remember the Terminator who wiped out the police station did so in the 80s when they had less effective weapons. These guys were FBI agents from the 2000s who likely had more effective weapons and it still wasn't enough.
Know your enemy. The nuclear holocaust survivors knew very well what they were up against. So I imagine a 9 year old kid might disable an unwary terminator. With a screwdriver. It's very much like Newt, the sole survivor of the human colony in Aliens. She sees the Space Marines with their gung-ho attitude and vast weaponry. And she just whispers to Ripley, 'it wouldn't make any difference.'
FBI Commander: So how did one person manage to kill or seriously maim two teams of armed FBI agents and get away without a scratch? Agent Ellison: Swamp gas?
Near the end of this scene Sarah Connor talks about the novel "Lord of the Flies". I read this book as a school boy. It really affected me. It still does.
Watching this in 2021 (yeah I know cliche comment) and whoever thought of this scene and putting Johnny Cash into it was genius seriously one of the best scenes in a sci fi/action series and I like many others are still pissed off this got cancelled.
One of the best tv scenes ever. Recently the tv show "Person of Interest", in their episode "The Devil's Shame" had an amazing opening scene set to "My Sweetest Friend". Helps if you watch a few episodes before it.
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4:04 "I'm a killer robot sent back in time from the future to terminate John Connor; nothing and no one will stand in my way. If you have cut rate insurance, you could be paying for this yourself. So get Allstate, you could save some cash and be better protected from Mayhem like me."
This whole show was great, although a little slow paced at times. This scene was an absolute masterpiece. It’s like in the first movie, showing a single Terminator can take down anyone in its path who doesn’t know how to destroy it.
SCC is a hugely underated show as a whole but this scene is one of the all time great seqeuences in all of TV (season 2 sadly wasnt nearly as good as this which is probably why it got canned in the end sadly, id have loved to see more)
This was really a matter of an entire FBI squad lead by FBI agent Ellison vs cromartie as a terminator and in the end of that bout, guess what? Cromartie wins hands down, just like he has before on many occasions. The moral of this scene? Don't ever fuck with cromartie and he won't ever fuck with you
Cromartie didn't kill him because Cromartie is from the future, he knows the FBI commander will be needed for something important in the future canon. It was also done as a means of sowing a cliffhanger ambiguity into the series end as funding was doubtful. A story mechanic that reflects the larger story of getting the show made...
Garrett was a phenomenal choice for the role of a Terminator. He maintained such a cold and calculating demeanor during his entirety as Cromartie. He was equally great as the child like, almost autistic seeming John Henry. God damn I can't believe they let it end the way they did. John Henry jumps to the future in search of his "brother" and John follows with Catherine Weaver who somehow vanished into thin air which was one of the most standout parts to me. Even if she would have liquified into the eel looking thing John still shoulda seen her slithering away given it was literally one sec she was then the next sec gone. But the fact that in that timeline they had never heard of him which really has to make you think what had they altered that led to him not being the leader. Or perhaps he went to a spot in time before Reese was sent back to protect Sarah hence John didn't technically exist yet. While that is the only logical thing I can think of it still leaves a lot of questions, lol.
Well, it's simple. John Connor, the 16 or 17 year old teenager at that time, jumped into the future. Therefore his timeline, his growing up into this leader ceased to be, because he ceased to be in that timeline, because he jumped to the future. Therefore he did not exist anymore in the past. He basically jumped over judgment day and all his life that would lead to him being the leader. The show ended giving an impression that Kyle Reese, his father, was their leader because of the altered timeline and the teenage John Connor jumping into the future. Yeah, pitty they didn't continue with the show. It was really good for the low budget it probably had compared to the blockbusters.
Wrong, since he stopped firing upon terminator and stood still it(the terminator) was confused and moved on with the mission m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_56d5c2b1e4b0bf0dab3371eb
did cromartie just spare the black guy because he wasn't afraid to die and felt sorry for him?a terminator with mercy?wow these t-888 are really something when it comes to upgrades of the older versions :D awesome terminator,almost self-aware
I am happy to report a well made PC game set in the 'future war' part of the Terminator Universe called 'Terminator:Resistance'; I consider it a 'worthy' addition to the lore-better than any of the later movies, I might add.
They are normally trained to shoot centre mass(chest) unless the situation dictates otherwise. I don't think that 20 of them would get into the room all at once, possibly 2 or 3 at a time so they wouldn't see that the body shots were ineffective till it was too late. Any headshots Cromartie sustained were inaccurate and not sustained in the same area unlike when he was killed(which would have damaged his chip)
It needed at least one more to round off the cliff hanger ending of season 2 hell even just a special one time comeback episode would be good enough to tie up all the loose ends.
Stupid audiences. Fact of the matter was that ratings were terrible, and the age of Prestige Television that might have suited it better was a few years away.
@@warpartyattheoutpost4987 absolutely right. When you can’t see something, your imagination starts doing the job. And it often makes things much scarier.
@tgwpUtube they never actually say what model chromartie is. i like to think he's a bit more advanced. partly the way he tore open a bank volt in the pilot, and partly how he dispatched the Ellison terminator with relative ease.
I have both seasons on DVD. I am able to tolerate the 'filler' episodes because of the good eps that exist. There are so many twists and turns that I wanted the show to explore; maybe one day, fan fic will answer my questions.
