It's nice to see that Cromartie follows 2 long established Terminator rules 1) See target , walk very slowly towards it. Target is escaping, Terminator runs and shoots but misses obvious target. 2) Despite heat seeking vision cannot see warm target in window silhouetted against sunshine. Shoots and misses obvious target.
One of the best things about this show was that black detective guy's gradual discovery and realization that this time travel terminator stuff was actually true. I'd say they should have developed that more, but I guess he did find out for sure.
Having a Terminator copy of you try and kill you in your own home, only to have Cromartie destroy it to save you by destroying it right in front of you? Having seen a single terminator take down both a whole FBI SWAT team and your partner, after reading up on what Sarah Connor has been saying for over twenty years? Having seen the metal exoskeleton under Cromartie's "skin" deflect bullets like they were throwing peanuts from assault rifles, point blank? He only had two choices: believe or go insane.
Mine too. Frankly, this show was great until after this episode because Cromartie is technically no more after this. They destroyed his chip, and the show along with it. The show went way down hill after this, which is likely why they cancelled it.
+AwesomeMax 217 Google "Gulf War Syndrome" It doesn't dose you the way a full sized nuclear bomb would but it still releases a small dose of radiation.
I don't know if it causes GWS but those vapors and dust that is created when DU ammo spalls and ignites contaminate small area with radiation.......over 300 Italian soldiers have died and over 3000 are diagnosed with cancer after serving as peace keepers in Bosnia, Kosovo, Iraq and Afghanistan (and next time people see "nice" pictures of A-10s spraying freedom all over the world maybe they think twice about it)
if any other than FOX hosted the show, it would've probably lasted longer. FOX had so many shows and they took over and TSCC was forgotten. also marketing sucked with TCSS. I'll forever remember the show tho. so good
It made no sense how Cameron could blow up part of its head. Then again the terminators in this TV show where far weaker then those in the movie. As an example the T850 could take high voltage and not shut down, the terminators (who are t900's if I remember right) go down to a spark...
I like it when john gives the last shot. just a show of triumph and symbolizes that john will always be destined to defeat skynet. i prefer though that if the terminator kept seeing the info and the misson parameters even when he was dying.
It makes sense. If you consider the possibility that with his hud gone and Cameron giving the T888 a lobotomy, that in that short instance the terminator was vunerable, confused, and perhaps afraid yet so close to its objective. We see it from it's true POV and not skynet directives
His strategic chip probably fried itself in all this sun - after being ambushed he just stood and hopelessly fought being outgunned from hidden positions. He could just run away, reposition, rearm, and go back. A simple FPS bot using Pentium computing power from 20 years ago could calculate that...
is it me or does cromartie really tries to behave like the terminator from the first movie menacing cold stare emotionless if you notice there is a slight glimp of music from the first terminator every time he appears
Ha, this is how Terminator SHOULD be done, not how the films have portrayed it since T3. Terminators are effectively unstoppable killing machines who will not stop, ever, until their mission is completed. They can and will do anything to accomplish this objective. Cromartie is possibly the best example of this since the T-X in T3-and given just how she went down? Not as tough as she seemed in the end.
Yep. Armour Piercing rounds aren't actually just made to be armour Piercing. Their way of damaging the target is different as well. Normal bullets have to deal with flexible and elastic yet very strong biological soft tissue, so they're designed to use an effect called cavitation to damage soft tissue. However cavitation doesn't work when you have rigid internals. That's where armour Piercing enters the picture. Instead of causing the cavitation effect it shatters and fragments into a huge cloud of devastating fragments inside the target travelling everywhere at high speed. Now, fragmentation is what you don't want to happen when facing biological soft tissue, the elastic and strong tissues will easily absorb the fragments and disperse the energy. But with brittle and hard components like inside a Terminator, the high speed fragments cause massive damage which is likely to be fatal
This guy actually nailed the Terminator. Made it more better at the fact that he doesn't kill anyone that not deemed a threat or doesn't have a gun in hand.
I actually thought that this guy was scarier than Arnold; he seemed more other-worldly somehow. Of course , he blew that by starring in "Raising Hope" and playing a doofus... lol
This actor played an evil Terminator perfectly. Cromartie was arguably the smartest and most resourceful Terminator, and that’s saying something. All Terminators that are T-800s or more advanced are very intelligent and fairly resourceful, but Cromartie got all new skin and took on a whole new appearance despite not being a shapeshifter like the T-1000s and more advanced.
He died way too easily as we saw the T800 take shotgun blasts with not much of a scratch and hit multiple times from M16’s up close in the first terminator movie.
i think the difference is the ammo. is T1 everything would have been standard rounds designed to hurt people as much as possible; not as effective against a metal skeleton. here they'd be prepared specifically to fight a terminator using armor piercing rounds
Yeah technically everything cromartie did with Ellison was to lead him to Connor and Ellison fulfilled that objective. Problem was Connor was prepared.
I think the show lost a lot with the death of Cromartie. He was a great antagonist, and without him the rest of the show kind of stumbled on without any compelling direction.
I have two theories why Sarah Conner dies of cancer. 1: in the first movie after Reese's blows the T-800 to pieces :) Sarah gets a piece of the Terminators frame nailed into her leg. It's possible a small piece stayed behind after she pulled it out. I doubt Skynet gave a fuck about what they added to their crucibles to give the different super aloys err "hyper alloys" (the T-800 series's frame is made of) different metal characteristics. 2. It's cannon that the T-800 was powered by a nuclear battery. and When she crushed it in the metal press at the factory, she was exposed to god knows what. Another thought crossed my mind: I read somewhere that the line in Terminator 3 where the T-850 is ".....powered by two hydrogen fuel cells. When ruptured bluh bluh blu......" It was either a script mistake or Arnold fucking the line up, because it was apparently supposed to be "hydrogen fusion cells". On forums guys were saying a "hydrogen fuel cell that size couldn't power the terminator and it would never explode and produce a mini-mushroom cloud. If the line "hydrogen fusion cell" was the correct line, than it all hangs together nicely. Like another line in "The Terminator" where the first terminator asks for a "phase plasma rifle in the forty watt range". What would 40w do to anything??? But if the line was supposed to be read as "phase plasma rifle in the forty killa-watt range" than that makes much more sense. A plasma bolt with 40KW behind it would probably steam explosion style blow you up like the girl in the battle field flashback dream.
Damn Cameron just kept shooting him in the same spot over and over. others should try that. When his head chunked and he fell it was like in the original Fallout 1 & 2 games where the head gibbed and they fell.
I have my own theory. Much like a zombie, the head of a Terminator unit is the weak point. All the processors and important components are stored in the head, and even if it's armored like the body, the armoring is probably thinner, not as resilient, and possibly not well insulated against the shock that would come from a one ounce slug slamming into it at a velocity of 1,600 feet per second.
The biggest problem is that they can destroy terminators way to ez.. they just destroy him with normal guns.. Everytime a new terminator appears you know: he will survivor for 2 Episodes. Cromartie was perfect.. he was there since the beginning. He was waiting for John and Saraha for years and we saw him repearing himselt, looking for john and saraha.. he was just perfect. The only other terminator that was scary was this one with the bald head
It might have been interesting to explore the idea of a Terminator that was almost completely human. A creature that could drink booze and tell bad jokes, but still a Skynet creation. It would be a creature that would be an exact copy of the original to the molecular level.
Also to all the fans. Terminator 6 is apparently coming. James Cameron is on board of this one. The movie supposedly disregards all movies after the T2.
@Travis Carlson T-900 are not that advanced than T-888s, parts from a T-888 are still compatible with T-900 and vice versa, as when Allison young (a T-900) had after a fight with Rosie,(name written for a T-888) Allison stashed away Rosie's body as repairs/spare parts, apart from the new fancy brain mapping and various software upgrades and or seperate microprocessors, the T-900s are via design identical to T-888, the T-900's only difference is the infiltrator's design of T-900 is not able to indurate against other terminators unless necessarily vital for missions or other causes like that, with all due respect.
Just without getting too nerdish (technical wrongs...),only from acting p.o.view-the cromatie at this state,is the best interpretation of all,when it comes to hostile sub-t1000models.A well known iconic actor never coul do so well no matter how good he is because the whole purpose of them is being undercover,adapting,infiltration.A well known face prevents the very concept from working,cuz the viewers brain constandly has the"hey,,it's him"function on.But with that guy it was really broken down to very pure acting.Just great! (doesn't meant to lower the actor,his quality after the system switch,just become obvlious)
The 9mm rounds did nothing except distract the terminator from the other one but the 12 guage rounds however were depleted uranium rounds which were more than enough to penetrate the hyperalloy endoskeloton.
There are a couple of things wrong with this scene, although is quite artistic and nice. A shotgun would NEVER damage a Terminator (and we are talking about a T-888, wich is even harder than a T-800 or a T-850 and the last one even survived at a plasma canon shot). And even if that shot gun was loaded with depleted uranium slugs or bullets, John terminates it with a simply small caliber gun, not even another shot from the shot gun at least!
I know this comment is old, but this is the logic here. It takes your hands to peel the orange. And a bite to eat it. That simple. Special shotgun rounds exposes the head's internals. Then John finishes it with a 9mm. Eazy peazy.
@@RetroArcadeGuy haha, no problemo with the "old comment". I guess this scene makes sense for the writers, I asume they had to finish that T-888 in that chapter. But it still looks weird seeing a Terminator that is apparently superior in terms of durability and strengh than a T-850, being defeted by shotguns with special ammo...
@@rodrigoarias5870 This is true. However, point blank rounds that are depleted uranium will do a lot of damage that even a triple 8, the most advanced of the 8XX models, can't handle them. It may make the Terminator seem weak and vulnerable but it is realistic.
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