Happy Saturday everyone! This latest development is making me look closer at Home Assistant again! If you're interested in trying out the new Tuya Integration v2 beta then it's here: bit.ly/3y4vE47 Also check out their development platform here: bit.ly/3BAVdfj
I hope the eventually add support for wifi cameras, Big fan from you paul, grettings from Guatemala btw, 4am and I just cant go to sleep before watch your video
I signed up, and liked/follow their FB page. As an end user, I look forward to being in control of the smart home hardware I purchased. Once this all works as hoped, I look forward to moving control of my Google Smart Home devices, so I control what I paid for.
Can't talk now... On a deep automation dive in Home Assistant Automations.... Send a search party if I don't make it back before nightfall. Live long and prosper
You're right, Paul. HA is without a doubt the way to go. Is it a humongous hemorrhoid to set up? You bet, but if it mens flipping off the turds at Samsung etc. that have forced me into this corner then so be it.
like the features, setup was difficult for some of my devices (August Door lock, ru-vid.comUgkxhB5YOMNj04GuoAosExygP4cH-dKeb4aB Bose speaker)... but all switches and outlets (5), thermostat, tankless water heater. Unfortunately all I can do is turn on/off Bose. It doesn't support volume or changing channels, but I believe that is due to the particular speaker I have.... Worth getting if you already have other devices to use it with... I don't sit around and ask Alexa questions much so that doesn't really matter to me....
Tuya services has played a major role in bringing in smart home products to the very emerging markets like India, almost all the products I use have the tuya platform & app skinned by the respective manufacturer! Smart Bulbs are available as low as 5$, seems like the home assistant support will take it to a whole new level!
Definitely agree with this for the WiFi side. That said, Tuya had actively "discouraged" Tasmota. It looks like this may be part of Tuya trying to kill off "Tuya Convert" and similar projects. Very clever move to reduce Tasmota's influence
It does seem like trying to kill the competition via the backdoor, just adding mqqt support to the devices or even publishing the API would allow for all of this but wouldn't leave them in the loop.
@@MiggyManMike Shelly seemed to try that. Adding MQTT in their firmware so tasmota wasn't needed. I guess it gives room for them to have a trojan backdoor to allow data collection if the device is online while allowing local control if it goes offline (tin foil hat came out :) )
Best one yet Paul … Put simply and honestly - If I hadn’t been out of work since 2018 I’d be a patreon Paul, but as it is you cheer up my Saturday mornings more than you can imagine and one day I hope I’ll be able to make it up to you. Home Assistant is a fantastic piece of work but it is also a bastard to get to grips with … I’m getting there slowly but I now have some NodeRed stuff working after several days of what felt like slamming my balls in a door followed by a lightbulb moment one night.
The definition of a Smart Home doesn't involve an Internet connection to someone else cloud home... thats just a "connected to someone else home" ... this is what I've been waiting for
For anyone else confused just a year after this video was release, the Tuya V2 integration no longer exists as it has been integrated into Home Assistant core. I didn't find this clear in the official docs, nor in Tuya's GitHub repo. So hopefully this saves others some time: This is the most helpful description I've found: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LA5SJuvJvUk.html
For me it's not about trust. It's about my smart home still working when the access to cloud fails. And there's a lot of things that can fail - local ISP network, BGP routing, undersea cables, cloud itself. As a network/cloud engineer i simply know how vunerable all that infrastructure is so i prefer do do things locally regardless of the company.
A year on and we have seen that all one gets is still a 1-month limited trial account while the 'cheapest' subscription under the IoT Core Plan is a whopping USD 25,000 :) So it seems to have been a short term marketing move to get more people to buy Tuya in hope of using it with HA thus increasing their market share.
Not entirely sure what happened here… Paul trying to not bash Home Assistant?! I’ll give it a day to check if the video was a hoax and will be deleted, but for now: color me impressed
Great video Paul. Keep up the honest (and slightly twisted) home automation videos. Good stuff. I own a bunch of Tuya gear, but I am always looking for other gear that has more local control. If Tuya is going to commit to the HA engagement and local control, I commit to buy more Tuya gear, and to recommend it to my home automation friends.
Paul This is an amazing development. I am so happy that I made the decision to introduce Tuya powered smart LED Lamps in Germany. Keep up the great work!
Love your in depth analysis of Tuya and Home Assistant. I currently use SmartThings and would love to see your transition from ST’s to HA if you end up down that road!
This seems like good news, but after watching the video I'm not certain if the cloudless integration will be available immediately after the beta ends - or if we will get suckered in with the new features and then the local option gets delayed indefinitely...
About time Home assistant for Paul ... now broadlink needs to get sorted (easier) and Paul will be totally sold lol ... Great Video as always ... Keep up the great work
I actually found broadlink very easy to integrate. The only issue was having to re-learn all the codes. No need to edit files, just create a script that calls the required code sending. The scripts can be called from node red so no need to relearn the codes separately in there. I've also created replacement remotes pages in Lovelace :)
@@mikeguest6307 I think the issue more is that Paul has already created the links to his remotes in the app. What the fix in it all is that broadlink integration auto ports those directly to home assistant like Harmony Hub did. I will say in no way this is a bad word against broadlink and HA, like you have done the same ... its more the rule do not break user land and make it user friendly for those who do not intend too play due to reasons and just want it in front of them : )) Get the job done rather than the tinkerer in most things
Don't get me wrong, its gotten loads easier recently but it's still no where near as intuitive as it could be. Once they add support to directly import commands/controls from the app then I think it will have properly arrived. That being said, the Home Assistant integration cuts out the cloud-polling middle-man with the app that reduces latency to be almost instant. I now control all my BroadLink stuff through Home Assistant and its by far the best experience with IR/RF-based devices!
After Paul's last Home Assistant video, which I agreed with entirely, I somehow ended up making Home Assistant the backbone of my Smart Home, I hadn't touched it before then. So this Tuya integration is great news.
Hi Paul, our products can be used without an internet connection; it is possible to control Shelly devices without internet, but you need to configure your own SNTP server, from where they can obtain information about the time, for example, Home Assistant
I only found Home Assistant a couple of weeks ago. (Yes, I should be watching your videos more often.) Knowing that Tuya is working with them makes it all the more worthwhile to use them.
Totally agree with your comments about HA being the good guys. Also to add, they do all of what you said for free, with professionalism, reliability, and no intention of ever making profits off you. It’s an open source ‘business’ that’s ran like a profit making company. Brilliant.
Does it relate to his "anthropomorphic" rocket, having "the best ten minutes" of his life and then wondering "how long before we can do it again?" At this point, the story writes itself, doesn't it?
If your a homebridge / HomeKit nerd, we’ve had local Tuya access for ages, BUT this is an amazing move by Tuya. Tuya are also working on a native homebridge plugin too. Again, another awesome video Paul :)
Full disclosure, there is a community application called LocalTuya that already features this kind of functionality. It's excellent once up and running but not without a ton of the tinkering I know you hate. Hopefully, the official integration makes the process of adopting said devices much much easier and Tuya being all-around more cognizant and compliant of the Home Assistant demographic is a huge, pro-consumer plus!
I left it disconnected from the Internet for 4 hours and it was still working. I suspect it still needs to connect to the cloud intermittently, but if it does then they've certainly extended it a long way.
I work for a leading tech company, as the company has grown we've gone from bending over backwards to be the good guys winning the hearts of the average user, to moving into the big business world and ditching so much of the great functionality which made us standout from the field. I fully understand the choice as the market was saturated and growth had slowed. I just wished it could have gone down a different route. Lets hope Tuya doesn't go the same way!
Hello Paul, I’m from NZ and I’m loving and laughing my way through your Chanel ! Sadly (i think you will find that i am sad lol) i am a die hard apple and hue fan ! However i won’t ever ditch apple but you are giving me such great insights and honesty (which i admire) to other smart lighting options and so on !! So thank you for the entertainment it’s most welcome 🤗 in my life !!!
I think the Home Assistant community is starting to gain quite a bit of traction. With Tuya now jumping on board, it is a huge thing for the Home Assistant community and for the Smart Home industry in general. Do you think Philips Hue will do this? Thanks for highlighting this and giving genuine information.
Philips Hue integration is already Local Push, so you can block the Hue Bridge from the internet and it will work fine. But yeah, it's not 1st party made by Philips. And you can already use a Zigbee stick directly with Home Assistant. I find it a bigger deal to enable Wifi devices to work without the cloud, since for those the workarounds are not that easy as on Zigbee.
@@Raress96 100%. I was just being facetious. I already use Home Assistant and the DeConz Zigbee with about 20 Hue devices, because I like the Hue Dimmer and the Hue Motion Sensors. No offence, but those two products are decent and nothing compares to them in Zigbee land. On a serious note, if Broadlink will jump in and do the same as Tuya and make a first party official integration, that would make Home Assistant about perfect for Paul Hibbert as well. Broadlink and Tuya were the two things he really had issues with before.
@@paulhibbert Just saw the latest update to this today. Tuya had there cloud API techs spending 45 minutes talking to the Home Assistant guys in there latest video (on the Home Assistant RU-vid channel ) These guys are committed. It was midnight for the Tuya guys but they still gave their time to talk to Paulus, Frenck and Bram.
If this goes through and they do make everything local, it's huge! I am wondering if there is any way for Tuya to try charging people for access to the integration in the future once they have everyone's buy in, even if home assistant itself is largely free. The smarthome industry has left me very wary!
I spent the first 6 minutes totally distracted by that mark on your head... Once explained I then had to go back and start again!! Brilliant video as always 🙂🙂🙂
I want to love Tuya and Home assistant, but every time I try to integrate Tuya it fails with authorisation errors, and I don't seem to be the only one experiencing this Login error (1114): your ip(??.??.??.???) don't have access to this API. Its also quite a complex process involving creating a Tuya developer account, then creating a cloud project before any integration can start.
So glad you mentioned Sonoff. Had the same level excitement when they announced their Home Assistant integration, but it turns out to be a clunky half broken internet based integration. So disappointed.
HOME ASSISTANT!!! Might need to get back to setting one up again, as Alexa as your main hub is not that good yet.... i.e. Major pain with Alexa is that you cannot set timers based on an action. i.e. Light turns on, turn it off automatically in 20 minutes. This seems like such a simple thing, especially when remembering my days of running an HA server. Yes, you need an IT degree to run one, at least as of last year when I last used it, but it does seem to be getting a crap ton better on each release and these guys (Tuya) might help it get even better. 😎👍
Luckily I have a small house, with just basis home automation like switches and bulbs/fan, etc, so I don't have any issues with tuya and home assistant and I am happy with both. I don't know about the official integration, but the local tuya does work for me, which was a requirement for me, so that the alarm system works without internet. Using tuya app everything works like google/alexa and without internet also the alarm system and other local control works from home assistant app. I am not using any wifi sensors, have RF sensors only (obviously cost reason) and controlled by ESPHome.
Don't want to burst your bubble, but I'm led to believe that device onboarding will still require the app/cloud. We'll still get the benefits of fast local control and offline continuation of service. As for home assistant... "Sokath, his eyes uncovered" :D
It's still good that the option is there mostly for local control and Tuya is working towards better integration with Home Assistant. So... "Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra"
Getting closer. As someone who lives in a home (a boat) that is occasionally located in a Dead Zone for Internet OTA it's not so much losing connection to a server in The Cloud that I fret about but a lack of connection meaning operation and (voice) control of everything is lost. I may have missed something somewhere, but my smart life will be complete when I can voice control and operate stuff with no need for Internet. I'm waiting. And so are those folk in the Internet-poor areas.
Does Tuyalocal for HA come from Tuya itself? AFAIK it is "unofficial" thing, no? And Tuya can just silently upgrade firmware which may render that integration useless. At least they blocked a way for people to wirelessly reflash tuya-based devices with 3rd party firmwares. And Tuya is Chinese-based company. Do you still trust Tuya??
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! This video has made my day happy, and given me something fun to look forward to! I was on the verge of dropping tuya for that very reason of no internet, no worky... And now, I'm probably going to wait and see. Did I say thank you, yet? Well, thank you! Just in case it wasn't clear already 😅
For Hubitat folk there are a bunch of drivers for Tuya gear (rebranded for Lidl) which support local-only control already. Tuya are sensible and use mostly the right Zigbee commands, so they’re not too tricky to support. Search on the Hubitat community forum for Tuya Lidl drivers. Somebody *cough* may have gone a little wild in the Lidl isles last year. 😁
You’ve got to love this guy. He’s so funny. Another video masterpiece Paul. Sorry I didn’t get to see this on Saturday but I was enjoying my birthday. 🎂
I am amazed that Paul Hibbert finally has something nice to say about Home Assistent. I really like his channel for discovering new products and protocols, but never agreed with his opinion about Home Assistent untill now. I really hope je will finally give Home Assistent a real chance. I would even want to help him setting up all his integrations and automations.
"I don't have a cut-away gag for that..." "Well, that's eunuch." :) All gags aside, one thing I like about your videos is that you are honest (or at least really good at faking it). So, when you find something good to say about, say, Home Assistant, you say it. You don't hold a grudge over that 3 days lost trying it again a few months back. Thanks. Also, This is great news. I'm looking forward to adding more Tuya to my home and taking advantage of the local integration.
Another great video Paul, I am more impressed with the amount of times you mentioned those two magical words "Home Assistant" 😂 I will have to check out some of the gear from Tuya, not sure if it is even available here in Canada. Keep up the great work & stay safe.
Holy shit the days of flashing the devices!!!! The setup before was a PITA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! On a side note, the Phillips Hue hub is local, doesn't use their servers. Mine still work even without internet connections. Works the same as Lutron
I've never used tuya stuff or looked that hard at any of it - just because I got home assistant almost immediately after getting into smart home stuff and I knew I would be moving away from wifi from then forward. This definitely makes me want to look at a lot more products out there that I wouldn't have otherwise. First on my list is blinds! I haven't gotten any smart blinds yet because I want solar powered or battery operated ones AND I don't want them to be wifi. The only blinds I found to date that I liked and had a solar option were the Yoolax shades on Amazon but they use tuya and therefore are wifi only. And all the zigbee motors I found had power cords 😣 so I had given up until now!
Wondering if one if the big reasons was they did this is because people were just ripping their firmware completely off their devices and doing this anyway?
6:05 just a little note: the speed of your homeassistant greatly depends on what hardware you installed it. a NUC? a NAS? a pi? how much memory? SD or SSD? that all matters... and ofc the quality of your wifi
Great. Now they'll be able to track us even after the Internet goes down by storing and pushing that information to the cloud once internet connection is restablished. The algorithm is winning.
I’m always entertained by Paul’s videos. Recently started making my home into a smart one and his videos are informative while funny as hell. Keep up the good work my guy, your earned the subscribe 11/10 would recommend your channel.
Tuya got popular because all their products could be flashed easily, if they do have a local solution that doesn't require the internet, the fine. But as it stands if I can't flash a tuya device it goes back.
Good to hear this but just one point of order Paul: Shelly have been doing complete local control forever, so "No other manufacturer reliquishes control" isn't quite true...
Hey Paul, have you considered moving your Home Assistant install from sd-card to an SSD? I know you have had issues with reliability in the past and usually the sd-card is to blame.
This really is a requirement for a decent home assistant experience. I repurposed a 10 year old laptop to run it on, but really anything you can hook up an SSD to will be great!
If you look at your stats and notice the viewing ratings of the Alexa toilet scene is higher than the rest of the video, please blame my 3 year old boy, he finds it hilarious, I wish RU-vid had a repeat frame feature. From me, another great video 👍🏻
If you are going to use home assistant, you should look at the node red addon. its much easier to get more powerful automations much easier than home assistant can on its own. I think once you get your head around that you'll love it.
It is a big deal indeed. My home internet is hilariously flakey - it will drop out multiple times a day, every day. As a result, I've never bothered with any Tuya devices where I can't flash the firmware to enable local HA use. This, clearly, should eliminate that problem. Huzzah!
Absolutely love your videos, I literally get excited as soon as I wake up on a Saturday morning just to see your videos before I head out for the day 😁..... what zigbee dongle are you using for your Home Assistant please as I am thinking of joining the Home assistant world 🌎😀.
This is good news, and lots of manufacturers use the Tuya platform so this is a big deal, Home Assistant rocks, yes it has a long way to go before it goes from nerdy to need it, but it’s getting there. Great video Paul.
Well, you did say the video was sponsored by Home Assistant so I guess it's OK that you go out of your way to mention it over and over again. Love the overall quality and feel of your video and will be looking for more. The one thing that does bother me is the vagueness of the statement "the future" which you also mention repeatedly. We shall see.
I agree with you about Home Assistant. I’m using a Hubitat C7 to controll my home but when tine comes to replace that one I’ll probably gonna choose Home Assistant instead.
Question: im new to smart home stuff. I just bought a raspberry pi 4, installed home assistant, and hooked up my not so many devices: router, smartphones, tablets, chromecast, sonos speakers, smart meter for electricity and gas, and tv. Now ive set up the basics on home assistant: backups, HACS, visual studio. Now i have no smart devices in terms of locks, lights, plant sensors and stuff like that. What standard do you guys recommend? No fan boys stuff, just objectively. Thanks everybody! O yea, to add i can access my network remotely with a VPN connection and have An advertisement sinkhole installed, so its Just about the low powered sensor, non wifi based stuff.
