Twin Turbo vs Single Turbo SKYLINE GT-R - Which is Better? MYTHBUSTED

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The never ending debate for RB26 owners. Low mount twins our single when upgrading from stock turbos and you're looking for the best balance of response and power.
Our R32 GT-R project car already had 10-second performance and was a responsive daily driveable street car, but would a single make it better or worse?
We do a back to back comparison between low mount bolt-on twins and a medium frame GTX3582R turbo to see which is better, with results taken from:
- The dyno
- The dragstrip
- The road
We've made up our mind. Will you?
Our RB26 Twins vs Single Turbo Mythbusted caused and ended some arguments. Some of the arguments were down right silly while some valid questions were raised, so we put together this blog post of Frequently Asked Questions and Statements to help settle some more arguments and answer some more questions.
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@mightycarmods 9 лет назад

But the real question - Will it fit my Honda?

@XxTheBombheadxX 9 лет назад

Mighty Car Mods Your Honda? You've never had a Honda? We've told you to stay away from that bog Moog you electric space wizard. :P

@MotiveVideo 9 лет назад

Mighty Car Mods What's a Honda?

@trollguy8508 9 лет назад

Mighty Car Mods in my Honda Fit?

@Sim2Real. 9 лет назад

***** Wait... WHAT Honda? Moog stop smoking weed, it was just a bad nightmare!

@koburacape4222 9 лет назад

Mighty Car Mods It's a Subaru bolt-on. You've obviously got the wrong car.

@wolfy9005 8 лет назад

Reasons for illegal mods: Easier to see/fix leaks, officer

@Tuvzii 7 лет назад

Reasons you still get a ticket: It's illegal.

@dimmacommunication 7 лет назад

Tuvzii You still can do mods,here you can't do mods at all.

@Aseutester 6 лет назад

Andrea Where are you approximately ?

@BtD_007 5 лет назад

Come to NZ. As long as mod is done by a professional (and it's not outright dangerous), you can basically do anything you want.

@ellisjackson3355 5 лет назад

@@BtD_007 I like that

@punishyoma2032 8 лет назад

A big factor in this vid is that you are using modern tech turbo, but a big issue you didn't talk about is internal waste gates are shite and upset exhaust gas flow out compared to external gates. Also the other issue is the fact you used a lovely aftermarket twin pulse exhaust manifold compared to crap standard one. I would like to see a modern set up of modern twins (top mounts, external gates) etc. then test again.

@demarcodraper4266 4 года назад

This has been done to death a properly sized single will always be more efficient than twins.

@BLAZINGINGPHOENIX 4 года назад

Electronic external waste gates have now been released so yer 3 years later and internal wastegate are defiantly not worth using if you can afford it

@BigUriel 4 года назад

@@demarcodraper4266 Right OEMs just make cars with twin turbo setups because they like spending more money on inferior stuff. What's been done to death is comparing apples to oranges, like two small old inefficient turbos to one large modern high performance one. Get two modern medium sized high performance turbos and try that again, see what happens then.

@Zeiss120 4 года назад

@@demarcodraper4266 False. Actually I wouldn't know with newer modern cars. However the reason to stay twins was for throttle modulation and the fact that you wouldn't fall of the cliff on a twin turbo set up (not twin Sequential set up) vs a single.

@rond3238 Год назад

@@Zeiss120 Draper is right. Newer cars use twin turbo setups strictly for packaging reasons. Single turbos are always better, everything else being equal.

@nomellocreampig 9 лет назад

In Australia they get "GDR's".

@lukereilly4963 5 лет назад

nomellocreampig ‘GDAHS’

@yolofullsend 3 года назад

GeeDeeAaahs

@rekareaper 7 лет назад

So what I learned is that a bigger modern turbo is better than an outdated twin turbo setup... You had to test for that? Why not try comparing it to twin gtx2860s? That would make more sense to me.

@DodgyBrothersEngineering 6 лет назад

Not only are they comparing old vs new technology, but they are wrapping the pipes and turbo to benefit the single, along with fixing a blown head gasket. And if you look at the graph lower down where you really need low end power for daily driving the twins out performed the single, but no mention of that. Seems they had a predetermined outcome in mind.

@x808drifter 6 лет назад

Nail on head. Test was a joke.

@that_random_beaner5673 5 лет назад

Or GT2530s

@speedacademy 9 лет назад

Great video Andrew! The in-depth coverage and your know how on the subject really make this production a stand out.

@hellcat1988 9 лет назад

That car's B.O.V. sounds EXACTLY like a girl I used to know when she sneezed.

@Toyota4Life 9 лет назад

Im not a GTR guy but this video was BADASS and so is that GTR.

@nickamarit 9 лет назад

+Toyota4Life Yup. I'm sure all this twin-to-single technique is adaptable to the non-VVTi JZ family as well ;)

@ryanrohauer5940 8 лет назад

+Nick Amarit im not an r35 guy maby on a goof day i can enjoy a 34 but the best are the 33s and 32s there just oozing with cool

@tucker_shredds921 5 лет назад

@@ryanrohauer5940 I feel the same

@kop4321 9 лет назад

Even if they were comparable in performance, the single would win out on reliability and simplicity. If you run a car hard, shit breaks. Having your shit take longer to break and be easier to fix is a huge plus.

@ttr685 8 лет назад

Hands down this is The most educational, no fucking around automotive channel ever! You shoot car building then you shoot car racing from car building! There's nothing more you can ask. great video @Motive DVD Highly appreciate your time and effort.

@MotiveVideo 8 лет назад

Thanks! We take pride in making sure our information is accurate and we modify our cars to go faster so we can help other people.

@R34Sumo 9 лет назад

Nice vid Andrew, Probably made a few people cry with this one lol. My only gripe would be that as you mentioned with having the single the cops won't even bother about using lube any more haha.

@MotiveVideo 9 лет назад

CannonShane Some people have gotten upset, yes.

@pwoodson21 9 лет назад

***** i was a HUGE fan of keeping twins, but this video literally changed my mind. Its nice to see an actual side by side comparison, providing some scientific reasoning to things ;)

@scottvanderheide 9 лет назад

Andrew...Why aren't you a host on Top Gear?!?

@MotiveVideo 9 лет назад

Ha ha. Im not grumpy enough for UK one and I talk too fast for American TV! But thanks

@kayle7155 9 лет назад

***** I missed what the guy said how come you got kicked from drags? I'm not familiar with them from NZ

@MotiveVideo 9 лет назад

Taketora Satou When you run under 10.99 here you have to have a roll cage, racing license and some other safety equipment. You can go back and they'll boot you again for the day but eventually you get permanently banned. Usually when your speed goes over 140mph.

@bestofthebest3821 4 года назад

@@MotiveVideo werent u on another youtube channel? i cant find those old videos about wastegates and turbos...what was that channel name??

@divizionx 9 лет назад

mighty car mods royal nasho 21:56

@ryanrohauer5940 8 лет назад

hell yea!

@RealRandyButternubs 9 лет назад

but what would happen if you also used modern turbos in a twin setup? you cant really compare new technology to old technology like that when you create more than one variable.

@MotiveVideo 9 лет назад

This is true But we wanted to compare t to the most common turbo choise on the market, the -dash series GT2860s There is a GTX low mount but it is very big. What other current technology bolt on low mounts are there? True bolt on?

@misterlith 9 лет назад

***** Fortunately in this case the GTX of the same size is no better spooling and they didn't push it to it's limits, so really it could have been a GT3582R which is the same generation as the GT2860Rs and the spool would have been about the same and the power difference would have been big as opposed to huge :)

@TheMegajr 9 лет назад

***** Borg Warner turbos for exemple

@MotiveVideo 9 лет назад

***** There are GTX low mounts but aren't exactly bolt on and are quite large. Designed for power rather than response. Hardly anyone has used them so didn't seem like great comparison for that reason. The only car we've seen use them was impressive power wise, but response didn't really improve over normal GT2860s

@nogeswed 6 лет назад

i will soon find out, i fitted 2 borg warner efr 6258 on my mitsubishi 3000/stealth

@Tonyc_1987 9 лет назад

One of the best RB26 modification videos i have seen ever! Very good job!!!! Great Video!

@figifister 8 лет назад

thanks for the comparison. I think most people just plop on a huge turbo and then regret it later when they actually want to use it in the real world. your test shows that if your do your homework and think it through you can have a better overall car for cheaper, and with reduced complexity.

@MotiveVideo 9 лет назад

Our RB26 Twins vs Single Turbo Mythbusted caused and ended some arguments. Some of the arguments were down right silly while some valid questions were raised, so we put together this blog post of Frequently Asked Questions and Statements to help settle some more arguments and answer some more questions. motivedvd.com/motive/2015/07/31/rb26-twins-vs-single-mythbusted-frequently-asked-questions-and-statements/

@alycestapleton 9 лет назад

Great video twin are good too , but you did not really got into aftermarket twin setups or custom setup there around ??? Why not there is a differences between bolt on twins and aftermarket etc twin setups b6t I guess its up to your own taste .and before anyone , keyboard , trolls etc start bashing me on this im a mechanic by trade and work on many gtr's etc so I know a fair bit

@MotiveVideo 9 лет назад

Gaz Girl Your question is answered in the video, but Go to the link and read the FAQs: motivedvd.com/motive/2015/07/31/rb26-twins-vs-single-mythbusted-frequently-asked-questions-and-statements/

@alycestapleton 9 лет назад

***** cheers I hope one day to be in your dvd im building a e30 with s52 m3 engine turbo , I hope to see m8re euro cars in your drag battle I know there are a couple of tough euros out there

@AB-ys1di 9 лет назад

wouldn't this have been a better comparison with after market twin manifolds, elbows, and dumps and a couple of new garret gtx28 twins? instead of the 20 year old gt2860s?

@MotiveVideo 9 лет назад

Adam Benderman no. please re watch video and understand why

@RIPSNZ 9 лет назад

Great job Andrew, Now here's a challenge for you, do a back to back with nothing changed except going from a RB26 to a RB30 and once and for all shut up the RB26 fan boys who think an "all else being equal" 26 will respond better and rev quicker on the road/track than a RB30.

@MotiveVideo 9 лет назад

If i can get a good RB30 at a good price I just might ;) Will push standard engine to destruction then build but keep same support gear.

@ToprankImporters 9 лет назад

***** Nitrous next.

@dohc1974 9 лет назад

RIPSNZ Would love to see this.

@MotiveVideo 9 лет назад

***** We're listening.......

@radium69 9 лет назад

RIPSNZ And use GTS-4 Diff's :D

@MotiveVideo 9 лет назад

A little more proof for everyone: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-35UeUhGGy00.html&ab_channel=MotiveDVD

@MotiveVideo 8 лет назад

+TeensierPython - we did show that. Also see it drive normally in some other videos on our channel

@MotiveVideo 8 лет назад

+Sean Price if twin charging was worth the effort, a lot more people would do it

@MotiveVideo 8 лет назад

+Sean Price modern turbos are good enough that the weight, complexity and cost of twin charging doesn't make sense most of the time

@Big_Serb 8 лет назад

+Sean Price VW TFSI engines are twin charged from the factory. It is worth it on 4 cylinder engines since they miss the smooth torque a 6 ( or more ) cylinder has.

@justa_dude 9 лет назад

Thank you motive for such a great comparison. Hands down one of the best car channels on youtube.

@JobeMinacum 9 лет назад

Wait a minute wait a minute hold on... That's the guy from MCM that drifted the hell out of that S13 they built!

@gnkVLCT 9 лет назад

fucking awesome video.....................and I usually HATE nissans....and love the peelout at the end.

@Brock_Landers 9 лет назад

I'm so jealous that Aussies get Skylines and the states we're were lucky to get a 240SX with a KA24DE truck motor. Sure, we can import the RB25DET or 26DETT and the SR20DET but you're going to pay out the ass for a good one even with a 5 speed. I have always been crazy about Skylines. You can see them in California or Canada but here in the US you're going to pay close to US $80,000 for a clean R33 or R34 and you can get an R35 for that. Anyway, awesome power gains and this is probably the 20th time that I've watched this video. Great job Andrew!

@beyondthelol 9 лет назад

+Robert Keeton r34 skylines are worth megabucks the world over, even here in nz

@ericwhittington656 9 лет назад

+Robert Keeton Over here in Japan R32 and r33 sell for nearly 10-12k. But to import it anywhere is what kills budgets.

@TopherIsDaMan 8 лет назад

+Robert Keeton r32 gars are pretty cheap here in the states since they're legal

@thespartenkid 8 лет назад

+Robert Keeton where you not informed that they are now old enough to import to the US? xP I'm gonna be keeping my 31 thats for sure.

@Brock_Landers 8 лет назад

I want one so bad! I would LOVE to have an R33 GTR with an RB26DETT. R33 is one of my favorite body styles. Idk what it is about them, they just do it for me.

@PinkuStyle 9 лет назад

Maintaining the system is the biggest factor that I run single. Good video!

@stevenjohnson8340 9 лет назад

I believe this is a very well done video, however there is one thing that IN MY OPINION was completely ignored. You compare the turbochargers based upon flow numbers... but you're completely ignoring the compressor maps themselves. The turbochargers are pushing 24psi? Assuming a 14.7psi Atmospheric, that's a 2.63 Pressure Ratio. At that pressure ratio, you're completely off the compressor map on the GT28's, while you're right there smack in the middle of the efficiency of the GTX3582R. As you guys know.. it's not so much the quantity of air but the quality of air that's introduced into the motor. Although not perfect, if the twins would of been GTX2867R's (much more expensive, I know, plus you'd have to use a smaller compressor housing) then they would of been much closer in comparison for compressor efficiency numbers (77-78%). Like I said.. I think this is an awesome video that obviously took a lot of time and money, but in my opinion, I believe that you skipped off on a very important variable.

@MotiveVideo 9 лет назад

Steven Johnson we wanted to compare the most popular options used by GT-R owners. Low mount dash series GT28s and medium frame single turbo. Low mount GTXs aren't exactly bolt on ( although some companies can make them bolt on) and are very uncommon in Australia. IN fact, only a couple of cars have been built with them. They are also quite large, so the power might match our single, but from what we've seen, they are less responsive than the twins we had simply due to their size. There are problem 1000 GT-Rs with "dash series' low mounts for every GT-R with GTX low mounts. Simply comparing the most commonly used options on the market. Also, we already had the low mounts on the car.

@GTRBaconR34 9 лет назад

Love the video! Thanks for putting in the time to do the job right. Now I have to think about replacing my GT2860r-5s on my RB26! Bastard!

@OddlyTugs 9 лет назад

+GTRBacon You running a single turbo now?

@GTRBaconR34 9 лет назад

Caelum Hagen No

@twentysheds___5967 8 лет назад

Cheers for the video, however I'm still not sold sorry. Every time you said how responsive it was you were 4000rpm minimum. I'll stick to 2530's for now.

@MotiveVideo 8 лет назад

+twentysheds ___ Stock RB26s are dead below 4000rpm anyway, let along ones with lager turbos. Plus, look at the dyne graph down low. There is no instance, revs, driving situation where the twins work better.

@bluesrike Год назад

I'd like to see an updated version of this test with newer turbos. How about a pair of EFR 6258s vs a single EFR 8374?

@tristancauvin 9 лет назад

Sweet slow-mo launches! You can really see the ATTESA at work...

@michaelwyz2306 8 лет назад

All this applies also to 2jz and n54. Thanks

@terra2805 8 лет назад

@10:55 The guy speaking says "longetivity" Longevity is the word I believe he was looking for. lol.

@natandaimzb7129 5 лет назад

I was looking for your comment. Noticed that also. OCD bretherin.

@alj2264 5 лет назад

No he's correct longetivity is an old rare form of longevity long-life grammarist.com/usage/longetivity-longevity/

@racketman2u 5 лет назад

enough with all this negavity.

@oratiolibre1673 7 лет назад

The big difference I see is the time between exhaust pulses. With a twin setup, only half of the cylinders feed the turbo, so the turbo slows down between pulses. If the other turbo is at a higher pressure, this pressure further decelerates the turbo. A single turbo doesn't have another turbo fighting it, and provides more consistent pressure with less lag because the time between pulses is shorter.

@timruddell125 9 лет назад

Awesome comparison and solid solid arguments. Watch the pro-TT peeps try to poke holes in this.

@akimboturbo 5 лет назад

The faces he pulls when it hits boost are priceless

@X3.X3 9 лет назад

i'm thinking about swapping out my twins for a single turbo on my e92 335xi (N54)....i saw a video of an N54 making around 900whp on stock internals!!! fu*kin crazy!

@Zeebraw 9 лет назад

me too lol

@ilovered8 5 лет назад

Me too

@PapotsGarage 9 лет назад

Absolutely amazing footage and work, congratulations guy, that was cool to watch. Thank you.

@6miz22miz 9 лет назад

Can you guys do a a modern twin turbo set ups and compare it to the single you are running right now ?

@Bostonbird733 9 лет назад

6miz22miz this. this needs to be done.

@MotiveVideo 9 лет назад

6miz22miz It's simply a budget and time issue. We would love to do all the comparisons possible but at the end of the day, someone has to pay for it.

@6miz22miz 9 лет назад

***** i understand would be nice if you could tho

@sly180sx 9 лет назад

boost instantly comes on and the response is so quick. when your measuring it from 4000rpm onward. that's would suck so bad for every day driving. i think your too happy with the power that your making any reason to justify that the single is better. just so you know.. for someone to experience the boost "rush" with that single they will be well over the speed limit for a daily driver. while with the twins they can experience that rush much sooner without going so far past the speed limit. i think this review is not very fair. and now you have a "better car to drive" but shit your pants everytime a cop car is behind you. well done. !

@MotiveVideo 9 лет назад

Xpresion I think your missing some valuable information in the video. It is on boost BEFORE the twins, so in theory, the twins would make you drive faster to use the turbos getting you in more trouble...... not sure how this is an argument to defend the twins. Also, if you watch our previous video on the car, we have installed a 6-speed with 4.1 diff ratio, so have much closer gearing that stock 5 speed, meaning, lower speeds per gear.

@ItsCardo1987 8 лет назад

This video will forever have me conflicted on which route to take, single or twin. Being that I fall into the category of bone stock base makes it a tougher choice. I want to go single as seeing it perform 1st hand and here shows its power and potential. But the stock looking engine bay, as stupid as it sounds is a high want as well. The precision turbo 6266 is looking like the go though! :) Great videos, keep them coming.

@JoeIsCrazyWillman 7 лет назад

ItsCardo1987 Stock I might go small twins if you have an I6 or V6 for more low end quicker spool, unless you can do as they did and get a twin scroll manifold and turbo, which they showed worked better bc it works with your exhaust pulses to drive the turbo evenly (Google twin scroll turbo. nice read, awesome & very useful product). If you got a 4 banger, definitely single. Not enough oomph to drive 2 turbos good enough in a stock 4 banger.

@ItsCardo1987 7 лет назад

Man... reading this post now.. I was an idiot of even considering keeping my stock size twins.. been on my single setup for almost a year now.. I WOULD NEVER EEEEVVVER GO BACK to twins.

@lightmoe2480 6 лет назад

Cardo_GTR twin

@rotor13 6 лет назад

The cost is the big factor in Twin vs single. You can spend more than a grand more on a twin setup. Also complexity is an issue. More pipes and need to make more space with a twin setup. However what puzzles me about the video is would the response factor be more of a result of the transmissions gear ratios? Traditionally a twin setup is more responsive because you can use two small turbos that can match a larger single when comparing the surface area of the inlet housing. I've had a MKIV supra with HKS 2835 twin kit and it was quite responsive at 750hp. Much more responsive than the ancient Greddy T88H it previously had. I sold my twin kit and the new owner used two custom EFR 58mm turbos with a larger hot side and on his Supra he managed to lay 890hp at 35psi. Comparing to how my original 2835 turbos, it's much more responsive and makes way more power. I've since put a GT42R and the car ended up making just shy of 1100hp but I since sold the car.

@timothyadonis4970 6 лет назад

Cardo_GTR rrdr4rrde3

@SimonWorlds 9 лет назад

I'm sorry I don't ,mean to offend, but in the first few mins of this, you can tell you're a bit biased towards the single, maybe a peer reviewed version would help? The fact it was not boosted with the single from 2500rpm or thereabouts to see it come on from down low was a bit of a shame too. I used to run a white 34GTR full street car up in QLD and held the fastest street circuit GTR lap record for 2 years including beating modified R35's too. I ran GTX2863 hybrid -5's. I know the proper GTX's were a little better, but either way I ran a respectable 489kwatw, for a circuit/street car it was a blast. Now to defend the claim, I would have loved to go a single for one reason alone, lower PSI for less combustion heat. I was runing at 33psi on the twins and heat was always an issue, especially coolant heat and the intake heat temps were soaring, you can inter-cool only to an extent and keeping coolant temps down was a challenge, with a single I could have had the same power with at-least 5psi less which would have helped immensely with intake temps that compounds combustion temps. The other factor would have been heat front he twins and how much pipe work was radiating heat into my engine bay. I have seen great results from single these days and if I was to do it, a VCT head with a GTX single would be my choice, on 30 bottom end too would see huge potential in the linear power delivery which is always needed with circuit cars. Keeping cam shaft overlap profiles not far from standard but with a big lift is key to down low power and a linear power band, far too many times do I see 272 degree cams and people complaining of lag and a non linear power band. Good review Andrew, I just though you were a bit biased right from the get go, although these days, i do tend to agree with a single now for a number of reasons. Wait for the Magnetti Marelli E turbo's that are about to hit the tuner scene, all of this will be irrelevant soon, huge singles like a GTX45R on a RB28 with no lag at all will all be here soon, the next 5 years of development in turbo tech to the masses is about to explode.

@abec666 7 лет назад

Potato comparison for so many reasons ... Title should be called stock twin vs *twin scroll* GTX35. Its scary how many people spread false information online. For the love of god you probably out of map choke lined the twins on 2.6 PR.

@ngt84 6 лет назад

Its a single turbo. Get over it.

@Noooo23523 5 лет назад

@@ngt84 twin scroll is a new thing meaning its basicaly a turbo working as two

@watahyahknow 9 лет назад

wow busted in a big way i allway figured a single turbo would be sluggish comming intoo boost , guess the bearing turbo's changed that and are more fluid in there power rize , less peaky then the twins i like it guess i be going for the big single and save me some headackes

@donaldmokgale3123 8 лет назад

incredibly informative!!! 400+wkw on stock internals is that right???? tell the truth man! What fuel are you running in it?

@MotiveVideo 8 лет назад

Actually, it makes 500KW on stock bottom end now. have to watch the latest video on the car :)

@donaldmokgale3123 8 лет назад

that is absolutely incredible!!!! INSANE even!!! i will certainly watch out for it. I have always read that the RB pistons and bottom end can't handle much in stock form compared to its rival the 2jz this is why i am shocked at your figures

@MotiveVideo 8 лет назад

there is quite a few stock bottom end RB26s in Oz pushing big power

@donaldmokgale3123 8 лет назад

we learn everyday! But what fuel are they running? 98? I am saving up for a 32 myself hence i am learning as much as i can about the car, its capabilities etc etc

@MotiveVideo 8 лет назад

if you want to make big power on stock bottom end you don't use 98. In, fact any big powered car you don't use 98. Once you go E85 you never go back. Simply no comparison on a turbo car.

@dreadwidowmaker1386 5 лет назад

Everyone else: Single or Twin? Me: ProCharger FTW!

@DaScorpi0n 9 лет назад

Obi-Nissan Kenobi!!!

@pkuudsk9927 9 лет назад

Very good comparison for the average joe who is considering a up grade/replacement of worn turbos. Did I miss the cost comparssion for the complete swap? I think it is important. not just the turbo cost man hours and new bits would be nice to know. Anyway I have subed and enjoy the format as always the more information is always better so keep it comming.

@zacdonoghue4728 7 лет назад

so what is better twin or single?

@zakibendaoud1890 7 лет назад

single all the way

@chrisfoster5044 7 лет назад

Hey Andrew I noticed the A/C was installed when the engine was pulled. Were you able to keep your A/C with the 6boost manifold? I've watched this vid more times than I can count and I think I'm finally ready to make the switch to single on my GTR. Thanks for the inspiration!

@geoffscott3428 9 лет назад

holy crap, this changed my mind about going to a single. so glad you included the quarter at the end of the video, was worried you were going to leave us hanging

@ToprankImporters 9 лет назад

138, she picked up some power. Just need to get a real 60 foot to get a proper number out of it. Even though I know the singles are more efficient, I have run a ton of different setups on RB's. I still like a nice twin setup. Do you remember the silver R32 that I ran with the 2.8, GT-RS, and Getrag? That was a fun car.

@MotiveVideo 9 лет назад

importavehicle.com i remember. Getrag is the bomb! Planning on borrowing some drag radials soon....

@vevohoeyo 8 лет назад

just gota say Andrew.. this is a seriously good and informative video u guys don't fuc around aye s8 to the point!! that car is.. mental!

@bespincustompropsbombarta8300 6 лет назад

Now put on high mount twins with a custom manifold and see how it fares for a true single vs twin test. Stock manifolds are always going to lose against new tech turbo's. Put on an old tech turbo for a fairer comparison with the equivalent amount of air displacement as the twins you removed.

@RoboTekno 9 лет назад

Mighty Car Mods brought me here and I subscribed. Awesome videos!

@netmatrix75 9 лет назад

Its not a myth that singles were lag monsters and twins are the perfect responsive ones. But this video did not debunk anything but merely states that you need the newer generation twin scroll turbos rather than the old singles ones. I remember reading that single turbo was very useful for diesel engines because those those type of engines have a lot of torque than petrol. So having a slow spooling turbo helps it get more speed accompanying the torque. So if the message to everyone now is buy a single modern twin scroll turbo. Junk the old tech single turbo. It is better or surpassed twins already.

@MotiveVideo 9 лет назад

+netmatrix75 old school GT35 turbos still out performed low mount singles. the GTX just flogs them even more.

@netmatrix75 9 лет назад

***** :)

@marcelloav 9 лет назад

i was just thinking about this and low and behold you upload a vid answering every question i had in my head. i was thinking more a GTX3076 and prob around the 20psi mark on a low mount manifold. what do you think this would net?

@IliescuBenyamin 9 лет назад

What is the mat on the dash for ? By the way, he looks so surprised to have power at 4k :D I tought that turbos are made to make at least 80% power at 3k.(cars from factory)

@BlueonGoldZ 9 лет назад

When APS was still doing business in the US, they had two guys in the Las Vegas, NV area with 350Zs. One had the twin turbo set-up and the other had the single and in every quarter mile race they did at the drag way, the single always won and I assume they were both using turbos that were up-to-date to each other.

@novprezime8640 8 лет назад

You should have thrown in turbo shuffle and instalation of a balance pipe in between the headers to add to the headaches....single for the win twins to the bin

@loganbentley9627 9 лет назад

This video is killer, Keep up the good work. Looking forward to the next motive garage Gtr video. Lots of usable info I can apply to the rb20

@rapidfiremuzik_official 9 лет назад

besides the AMS r35 and RIPS 240z - this has got to be one of the coolest Nissans ive seen thus far!

@uptownsamcv 9 лет назад

This video seemed to go off topic. usual myth of twins vs single is lag difference and people thinking twins is better cause you have 2 turbos. most cars that came with twin turbos were older and was done with 2 smaller turbos to improve response. newer cars use a twin scroll setup for great low end power without losing top end...

@nickamarit 9 лет назад

+samuel lopes unless you drive a Bugatti Veyron... how any turbos that thing got? like 20???? j/k, 4!!! LOL

@MonsterTVchannel 8 лет назад

my twin turbo r32 puts 600whp down... it's awesome. Nuff said.

@jordanrooker6865 9 лет назад

I'm just confused (never been to the strip), why did you get booted?

@patrickharris2270 9 лет назад

Another great video! Love the R32 GTR series you have done. Makes me feel better about my 2.75L stroker RB26 and BW 8374 EFR R32 project. Can you please tell me what boost and fuel you were on during your ride through the twisty's (low and high?). Looked like quite the difference between the two. Just trying to get an idea of my car's estimated performance. THANKS!

@MotiveVideo 9 лет назад

Patrick Harris All on E70. Until we turned up boost it was on 14psi and 330kW @ wheels. Its quite lazy on that too as the boot controller is essentially off, so wastage creeps open

@WhiteCharisma 9 лет назад

Very informative, thanks! It's also the same story with Single turbo Rotaries! At first, I wondered why RX-7 drivers swapped their twins to a Single because I thought it would be more laggy and slower, but the overall increase in reliability and less complications with the old system prove to make it a more reliable car. Just a shame Rotary is a bit finicky but I still plan on owning one some day along with the R32 GTR once the V-Spec hits US shores legally. Always wanted a White one :)

@2secondslater 5 лет назад

FYI, heatwrap has a double bonus for production of power, hot gas flows faster and smoother and increases turbine speed, heat wrap keeps that heat in. MTU (Motoren- und Turbinen-Union) were one of the first to use this principle when they used Inconel exhaust diverters in their high speed diesel engines. Had the pleasure of working for them for a number of years on engines from 1 cylinder and 500cc NA engines to 20 cylinder common rail vee engines with 8 litres per cylinder and compound twin sequential turbo systems.

@Datsun510zen 5 лет назад

My flagrant use of hindsight not withstanding and the full capitulation that there's no argument against the simplicity of a single top mount, I still have room for protest. Comparing a (2015) modern GT35 twin scroll setup to antiquated internal wastegate T28s is not even close to an apples to apples match up. in 2018 we built an RB26 with stock crank, forged rods and pistons, and full Tomei valve train for my brother's R32. We also used the stock intake and bottom mount GTX2867Rs to preserve the illusion its stock "ish" enough. Tuning was done on a Link G4 and those little T28s seriously shocked the hell out of us. It's making 520kw running e85, and as you can imagine the bottom end is WAY more stout than any GT35 configuration. Not even a GTX3576r can match their bottom end performance, and although you might make that kind of top end power by jumping to a T4 1.1 A/R frame, you'd completely piss away your bottom end to do it. Fact is I have no idea how they do it, but with a small Gen II Billet GTX2867R your SR20 can make *400kw* and scroll up like a T25. That's not just a notch up for the legendary disco potato mates, its kicking it up into a whole new WTF is going on level. Pretty sure there's some kind of voodoo magic alien reverse engineering shit going on at the Garrett lab. I haven't been playing with boost all that long but it seems only a short time ago we were patting ourselves on the back for squeezing a respectable 350kw out of an SR with a T3 GT3071r... Hell, I remember thinking crazy lag was a necessary evil to get all the GT30's power to come on all of a sudden @ 4500rpm... ah the good old days. Now I ask ya boys, what's the world coming to if a little new fangled turbo can make 400kw? I don't know either, but I'm looking forward to finding out. ;o)

@Goodezilla 9 лет назад

What blow off valve are you running? Where did you mount your MAP sensor?

@DriftNick 8 лет назад

+GoodeZilla doesn't sound like he is running a blow of valve.

@Goodezilla 8 лет назад

DriftNick Won't that ruin the turbo eventually from compressor surge?

@DriftNick 8 лет назад

GoodeZilla No, it's fairly common for people in Australia not to run them.

@MotiveVideo 8 лет назад

+GoodeZilla Factory blow off valves but just not returned anymore

@anthonymcgrath 8 лет назад

got mine due back to me soon.. 2860-5 tubs Tomei ponscams and 87mm mahle pistons and Manley rods. all the supporting goodies like osg clutch and link g4 ecu with 4bar map. be interesting to see how it goes. I've had a 33 gtst woth gt3076r top Mount tub in the past and I can vouch for the response on it.. it was hilarious good fun and the sound was incredible.. altho i ran plumbed in wgate as i fricking hate screamer. the video is on my channel. I chose twins this time simply because I wanted to restore this 32gtr and have it look stock really. still looking fwd to it :)

@jimcetnar3130 9 лет назад

That is EXACTLY what I'm looking for. A gnarly fast car, but maintain drivability.

@ThaiNguyen-gs3uc 9 лет назад

nice andrew,seems super responsive on the strip. literally no lag at all.

@GregCreg 4 года назад

That switch to high boost 🥴🥴🥴

@sabereaseera1384 6 лет назад

I have an audi tt with twin turbos and a saturn sky redline with a single turbo and the saturn has much more kick

@DigitalFl0w 9 лет назад

awesome video, also loved this years drag battle. Just a question though, why is there such a big difference in power from twins to single when the engine is getting the same amount of PSI?

@BOKtober 9 лет назад

Because the single turbo is moving a larger volume of air at the same pressure

@MotiveVideo 9 лет назад

a turbo flows a certain amount of air. the engine consumes a certain amount. Boost pressure us simply the restriction caused by the turbo providing more air than the engine can consume. Basically air builds up in the system and compresses. The turbo itself just pumps air like a hairdryer does. The single turbo set-up increased the efficiency of the engine so for the same amount of air being flowed out of turbo, engine is using more of it, hence less boost for same power. Kind of like how a turbo that makes 500hp needs maybe 20psi on a SR20 but only 8-10psi on a V8

@DigitalFl0w 9 лет назад

***** thanks for the explanation :)

@Skylinegarage_Kay 9 лет назад

I've made up my mind too! Pay extra for just to show off the twins, topmount

@TheMadkent 9 лет назад

Secret Road aye? Cough Cough OLD PAC! Cough

@rustybeatty6567 5 лет назад

A single sequential turbo will give the best of both worlds by giving you two compressors housing driven by one exhaust turbine a SST turbo could change turbo charging systems for better with a little more research and development and manufacturing improvement could take a Gasoline or Diesel engine to the next level think if a 2JZ engine had a Garrett GT28 SST with VVT and or VGT technology you could in theory have 50% turbo power right from the start of the engine RPM range like say at 2200 RPM at 15psi then at 6500 RPM at 30psi at the end of the run.

@hyperlogos 9 лет назад

Looks like that car would be better off with a five speed back, on the street anyway. It goes through the gears so quickly...

@MotiveVideo 9 лет назад

The extra changes is worth the extra response and fun factor of the 6-speed. Totally transforms the car. We showed it in another video we did.

@TheMoodyedge 7 лет назад

why you get kicked off the strip????? my r33 gtr has stock low mounts....a 3" decatted exhaust and link g4+ and its laggy between gears....mainly 3rd and up...very annoying...only running 0.9 bar with 366 bhp at fly but Id have expected it not to feel as laggy..only driven the car a total of 2 weeks ater a rebuild so much to learn and never had a turbo car b4. The boost is controlled by closed loop on the link and Ive heard it had issues so maybe have to swap to open loop electronic boost controller....A new uprated fuel pump and up it to 1 bar :? Im guessing though. So far my gtr experience has been a let down

@DCG_42 9 лет назад

what happen why did they kick him out if the track?

@urlilsolja 6 лет назад

But the more serious question, "Will it fit my Cappucino?"

@giovannigiorgio4622 9 лет назад

Mate just found your Chanel awesome job!!! So the southern highlands... Barrengarry mountain is it?..and im 90% sure Macquarie pass as well. Shows how well your car handles all the same... watch for wombats and drunks at night, both can fuck your day right up... Keep the Vids coming mate as i said Great job keep them coming!

@gxiong3917 5 лет назад

LOL, when my friend thinks rigging up a replacement bolt-on turbo kit to replace a 10yr old one should only a few hours... And after hitting 2 deers, SMH... Disassembling is easy, but remocking and fitting while making sure everything is fitment is good, tight,with no oil leaks...SMH A few hours?? LOL

@german_godzilla8768 9 лет назад

Great Video, it's always a pleasure to watch your videos. I've learned a lot watching them. I hope i can reach such nice results on my own R32 GT-R which i just got on the streets here in germany! It's a hard process to get these cars legal for the german roads. Please keep doing the Videos about the R32!!! And i got a question to end my comment: What would u think about a Top-Mount-Twin-Turbo-Setup? I Think u could use some new-technology turbos there, couldn't you?

@MotiveVideo 9 лет назад

Once u start talking high mount twins its a different argument. The record holding cars pretty much all use singles and most time attack cars use singles. We prefer single in big hp applications for packaging and manifold design reasons

@mickydee26 9 лет назад

German_Godzilla There is a GTX upgrade available for low mount -5's. Probably for other low mounts too.

@MotiveVideo 9 лет назад

mickydee26 It's not really a bolt on affair and we wanted to test popular options that lots of people can relate to. So far I now of one GT-R with twin GTXs, and the results aren't anything to get excited about.

@farmvideosnet 7 лет назад

What is the conversion factor from Kw to HP? I wish people making these kind of videos would state what HP these engines are producing! Even though it would be easy enough to look it up online I would like to be able to watch these videos without doing math to figure it out! Since I live in the U.S. I don't deal with the metric system much so I haven't memorised the conversion factors, and the other one that drives me nuts is trying to figure out how many MPH someone is talking about when they state that a car is doing so many Kph! It's kind of funny too because I live in Oregon and when I was in sixth grade (I'm 52 so that would have been in about 1975 or '76. Holy crap it seems like a million years ago! Damned getting old sucks!) the school district I was in (and still live in! All four of my kids went to the same schools!) decided that the whole world was eventually going to the metric system and decided we all had to start learning everything metric! I wish now I had learned more but it only lasted about six months and they changed their minds (again!) so being that was over 40 years ago I don't remember much! Dammit Jim! Beam me up Scotty!

@emanuelpizarro11 9 лет назад

Great video like always! Keep it up guys

@rickmillerjr77 9 лет назад

Thanks to Mighty Car Mods for pointing me to this video. I was actually considering this debate!

@markrich3271 5 лет назад

Compounds ftw

@KaDaJxClonE 7 лет назад

Kinda knew how this was gonna go coming from the Supra world. TT's are for big V8/10/12's. while HUGE single turbos are for 6's and 4's

@micahstrachan162 9 лет назад

15:57 That's Old Pacific Highway up by Gosford! Amazing driving road

@cobratoxic 9 лет назад

This video is very very good.

@adrianmedina7269 4 года назад

I know in the video you guys used a 1.01 housing, my question is would a 1.06 housing be a crazy difference or would there be more lag? Or would there be no difference? Awesome video guys, now I’m gonna go for a set up like this.

@mrmidnight32 9 лет назад

48 people are twin turbo drivers lol

@dougbawden4321 8 лет назад

What is causing the wave like graph line? it even sounded strange on the dyno?

@UOYtaLOL 5 лет назад

27 to 27 is not apples to apples. However, undoubtedly you have increased air density due better thermal characteristics.

@negativeindustrial 4 года назад

I could never live in a country that allowed cops to pop my hood without my approval. Fuck that. I run whatever turbo I want, legally, and it’s illegal for the TXDPS to even find out.

@rx323bug 6 лет назад

why was the power coming on in the dyno runs n pulses? you could here it surging up through the revs, and you could see it on the print out arcing up in curved steps. just something that jumped out at me.

@quacko11 5 лет назад

police know somethings up? your driving a GTR of course they know somethings up LMAO

@JDM033files 9 лет назад

Top flick! Made my morning coffee far more informative - my love the Mine's 34 set up one day hangs by a thread! I wonder if they could be convinced! Japan investigation tour? Count me in.

@MotiveVideo 9 лет назад

JDM033files The Mines R34 is an amazing car, but was built nearly 10 years a go. If you watch our "6-speed install" video on our channel it actually explains the "secret" to the Mins car :) Many minds have been blown by it.

@JDM033files 9 лет назад

***** Done - morning video selected! Thanks bloke!

@Zcypot 9 лет назад

It might just be the insane power the GTR has, but the gears seem so short it reminds me of my WRX

@MotiveVideo 9 лет назад

It has a 6-speed Getrag gearbox from R34 but with 4.1 diff ratio instead of 3.55. Our last video on the car shows the swap and results. It's the reason the Mines R34 looks so fast as well. It used 4.6s at one stage!