I have seen some poor driving but this is at the top. They managed to run slower 0-60 and quarter mile times than the stock cars. I've personally gone 12.23 at 117mph in a bone stock 2020 Mustang GT manual. These cars should have easily been in the low 10 sec.range.
If you overpower a car, then it will inevitably go slower in short distances due to a lack of traction. Just as Bosko said. Plus, these are manuals. Looks like you aren't a car guy.
@@aXrF Set up a 2 stage and that wouldn't be a problem. I have a 2018 Mustang GT just running a tune and E85 and my 0-60 alone is 4.2 with street tires and a non prepped surface. There is no reason why there cars should be running slower at any distance.
Glad to see them have fun, would have been much nicer to watch somebody show us what these cars are capable of. 900+ hp cars running damn near stock numbers lmao
Ye wtf... A stock GR Yaris can hit a 4.7 / 0-60 time with 286 bhp... this was a let down... Was hoping to see at least under 4 secs not w/e this was. The 1/4 mile was slower too, embarrassing.
And Tom is the costumer of Ben with a 9 to 5 job to pay Ben for that great Hellion build . Ben is the tuner who breaths this stuff 24/7 and after many years of experience knows what works and what doesn't. His choice of the Torsen Diff and longer rear gear is telling. A small point but still telling nonetheless. With massive F1 levels of HP/TQ you don't need a lot gear and it will hurt you getting traction.
Tom got him back 3 when he didn’t have to have any skill to drive and the boost was spooled on a roll run. Throw** Ben in Toms car and bet it’s same outcome . Tom doesn’t understand how to manage power
Just for reference. A stock GT quarter-mile time is 12.6 seconds. 0-60 is 4.4 secs (manual). They seem to be casual car lovers and not the racing type. I think we all forget not everyone races their cars on this channel. Prepped surface would have helped for sure, buy they were in it to have fun not set times.
As I have said on many Mustang videos: “there are four ways you can create a 12sec street Mustang: 500hp, 600hp, 700hp and 800hp” I guess if you’re stupid enough you can also spend even more money and add a 900hp to that list
@@dontjivewitha5559 stock is possible to get 12’s (especially at a track) but requires some strict unicorn levels of surface grip, warmed up tyres and no heat soak for the street . They are a rock solid reliable low 13sec car in most street conditions.
Well I've always thought if you can't put the power down it's what's the point? .. "900+hp" and the stock 5.0 would leave you at the lights .. but it was really fun to watch 😁
@@Stringfellow-xo6do RS3 are very fast cars straight out the box nice car AWD life no messing about 🤪👍🏻 , well those Mustangs need a alot of things to be able to put that power down properly pair of slicks would be my first do to on the list ...but even then i bet they would have a hard time it's just so much power , as they say ( spinning ain't winning ).
My stock mk8 golf r does 0 to 60 in 3.9 to 4.1 sec range and 1/4mile 12.23 at 113mph to 12.5 at 111mph also a stock mustang gt auto can do a 12 flat 1/4 mile lol at this video . And yes traction is the key to everything.
@@fungaming4k that's a very quick car can't imagine what that feels like especially in a hatch 😁 your 1/4s are strong too very impressive👍🏻, I timed the 2019 GT 500 convertible 0-60 was the 10 speed auto and the roof was down I have it on video via GPS timer best I did was 4.71s car was stock 460hp and that to me was so fast , I wish I just had more time to practice with it that day, it was the first time driving it.
@@Stringfellow-xo6do of course youre gonna get them at the lights, but if you see one cruising on the highway, dont try to mess with it cause he gonna leave you in the dust
All these people saying these cars are slow, take into consideration the strip they are on is like a back lane. No prep at all, loose surface etc. Close to 1000bhp to the back wheels means very little traction at all 🤷♂️ from a roll these would smoke most your cars 😂
that's because people act like they brain. don't understand the video like you said No prep at all, loose surface back road like racing Close to 1000bhp its going to be impossible to get traction!.
But in fact they are slow on that surface. The surface is part of the world. Only fast on stickies at the drag strip, which is mostly useless in the real world.
980 bhp is around 750 at the wheels. And when you have drivers bouncing off limiters because they THINK paddle shiftibg is quicker, when it isnt, is a issue itself and a manual trans with these cars is not the best choice and crappy street tires, lol. 0-60 probably 5 sec. 1/4 in the mid 11's.
Can tell they're just having fun with their cars not trying to go out and compete. Good on em. I think if I hit snooze on my alarm 5 times before getting out of bed, I'd still have a better reaction time getting out the door than they did on the 1/4 mile 🤣
Dang !!! I was really wanting to see the results between these two cars. But due to the non driving ability of each driver we shall never know. I mean the one guy is like a kid in a baseball game, could care less about winning just watching grasshoppers. LOL Would really love to see a serious comparison of these cars to help settle turbo or super charger ?
@@jamalwilliams86 Yeah plus they're easier on the engine because they make their peak torque at higher rpm's thus less stress on the engine. I'm planning on building a twin turbo LT1 Buick Roadmaster as a sleeper. Forged 383 stroker internals and a fat cam and heads will make it fly.
So even with actually competent drivers the supercharger is going to win this one as the turbocharger is poorly set up. The supercharger has more horsepower, so you have the better low end torque and responsiveness and are beating the turbocharger where it should be winning (top end power). Turbochargers have higher boost potential and lower parasitic losses...
They're on an unprepped surface, so the elapsed time for a 0-60 or 1/4th mile are totally irrelevant. However the TRAP SPEED for both vehicles is extremely, extremely indicative of both these cars having nowhere near the amount of claimed power lol. If these cars really were past 900bhp, they'd both be into the 140s for the trap, regardless of how poor of a launch they may have.
@@Phantom-gj9hf My Z makes 600 wheel and even spinning all the way down the poorly prepped track it traps in the mid 130’s. 137 is my fastest trap due to poor intercooler efficiency so maybe these guys are heat soaked by the end.
Definitely... Long time racer and the turbo car was short shifting before the Turbos were at full power and granny shifting. The Supercharged car not so much but both should have performed much better. We've seen Tuned V-6 Ford Explorer's (Twin Turbo's) running those speeds/times .... Auto All Wheel Drives of course.
Comes down to drivers, coupled with tire choices and an un-prepped surface. To put into perspective, Dammond Motorsports took a Mazdaspeed 6 and did full bolt ons and a protune on the stock turbo/engine and ran an 11.7 at the 1/4. That was a 285 whp, AWD car that weighed in at 3600 lbs. That’s essentially the same engine as a mustang ecoboost. Why was it 1 second quicker despite having 3.5x less hp? It was driven by a guy who knows how to drive really well, on a prepped course, and of course AWD putting in the work. These mustangs on proper radials on a prepped course witj good drivers will run 10’s all day, maybe even hit high 9’s…
Awesome video!!!! You can tell from the sheer delight of the drivers that there is so many smiles per gallon to be had with a 'stang!!! That pure V8 muscle soundtrack and brutal power that can barely be laid down like a wild horse that's out of control, so savage! Every car has its own personality and I think this vid showcases why Mustang enthusiasts love it so much. I'd honestly rather be in a RWD American V8 muscle car than a faster car that traps faster with less cylinders and less personality. and this is coming from an AWD modified Audi owner. :) Great vid Jamie and great people as always well done!!!
Driver mod needed for both cars, when u get the giggles driving your own car you clearly don't have enough seat time🤦🏾♂️...as soon as both cars begin to get into power the drivers chicken out and grab the next gear and fall out of the power band on every upshift...
So much power and so slow 😂😂😂 Nice to see both of them laughing BUT man it’s actually something to cry about haha Jamie you’re a legend bro, love to watch your channel 💪💪💪
On street tires and an unprepped surface, not surprised by the difference. These cars on radials are a real strip with experienced drivers are both capable of 10’s day, maybe even a high 9
Id really like to see these same two cars competing with professional drivers on race tyres. Those 1/4 mile times are super sad, I had an 86 pushrod 5.0 with maybe 350 horsepower that did high 11's
You are *DEFINITELY NOT* running high 11's with a 350hp Foxbody mustang! I have owned 4 Foxbody stangs and the one that I own now was dyno'd at 372hp and Im running mid to low 13's. Even on a prepped surface I'm still in the 13's. High 11's and low 12's is what Gen 3 and 4 vipers run!
@@PT82 So you Do not have mustang to start with. So why are you even talking about how they started the drag race? I love people like you, talking about how others drive or accelerate etc. You know it is not easy to do that when you have 3 cameras pointing at you and other cameras elsewhere. You will get nervous.
If I had "950 hp" and was running a trap speed of 122-128mph I would drive through the first crowd of people I saw straight back to my tuner for the real power figure and a retune.
To be fair that's probably done on a prepped surface that would rip your shoe off it if you tried to walk on it, this is on an old dusty runway with grass growing out of it.
I loved my 3.0 SC Jag XFs, I got 5.8 0-60 from a stock car, petrol of course, on PZero's. LHD import from Qatar when I worked there, I loved it so much I brought it home with me. Obviously both these would leave it standing but SC is the way to go, power delivery is instant from the low end to top end, whenever you boot it, it goes no matter what the revs are.
Mega video Jamie. Shame about all the brain farts in the comments! Not much point staying in 1st when you don’t have any traction and both guys showed up purposefully well matched on street tyres. To all the haters, watch Jamie’s mini video and you will see a normal car gate asbo and then get gobbled up like it’s stationary once it gets traction. Put either of these on a prepped surface with street radials and they would upset anything. The drivers know this and are out having fun. Maybe invite MAP down for a serious race where they can show drag prepped and do it properly 😈 ✌🏼
I run street radials on my Audi in the summer, and have drag springs. Weight shift plus tire is a big deal. I didn’t see too good of weight shift on the cars. They are 900hp road cars with the wrong suspension and tire. I give it two years before both cars are crashed. Yeah my Audis faster, I also can put down 900 if I want and use it reliably unlike a mustang. My ea888.3 is ticking so I’m saving for a 2.5t conversion. Currently run 25 psi through A stock is20 cad smokes anything I want.
I love the huge smile from running a 12.88 with 950hp. Sounds like people who spend money and not spend time working and driving high performance cars. An exercise in excess.
Jamie, would be really interesting to see how a standard auto Mustang would fair against them, I have a black 5.0l V8 2018 Mustang, with a Rousch exhaust system and slightly lowered standard engine etc. I just think that on that surface my car could probably match them, as it could probably get its power down better and then no manual change, sometimes all the power in the world is useless if all your doing is spinning your wheels. That said great cars, sound amazing and great video . If you ever want to put them up against a standard one for comparison, I’m a member of gas gang and we have spoken before 👍
@@RobertYayo No although 2018 and registered in July it is one of the very last old shapes so carry’s the 6R80. I prefer the look of that shape as well the £150 tax a year rather than £500, with the Rousch exhaust system and it’s slightly lowered, so hunkers down nicely as an all round package suited my needs better. The sound of that V8 is just everything I love about the car, it is a cruiser, but will put the power down when you need it, I use the paddles a lot so get the most out of the engine.. The 10R80 is a better box but the need for 10 gears in the UK isn’t something I’ve missed
Still doesn't make sense how a foxbody with h/c/i... pushing 320whp with a t5 trans and some random street tires... runs a mid to high 12 second quarter.... somethings deff wrong here. Or they're at super high elevation?
I built an N/A Camaro (pretty radical but still N/A) that was putting down 550hp and it would still lose traction even from a 90mph cruising speed... 900hp is nothing to scoff at in the realm of tractionable abilities lol...
@@AntoninusPius2 oh wow forgot I made this comment. They need drag radials and a higher roll. I have a 5th Gen ZL1 700whp I had no traction doing a 3rd gear pull at 70mph BFGoodrich G force tires. Now running Nitto 555r2 and have traction.
Geez, they can't even beat 1980's era 5.0 times with some gears and good tires. I was turning 12.56 ets in a 1966 Mustang with a 289 on street tires and an open 3.5 rear. Daily driven automatic with a carb. This is just showing that dyno power numbers don't mean a damn thing on the street or on the track. I worked at a company that built a turbo 351 1985 mustang that first pass at the track was an 8.6 et... chassis was only legal for 9.90... again, daily driven. They dyno'd over 1000hp, but dialed it down to low 900hp to get it down the track on street legal slicks.
@@dalturbo he wouldn't smoke them because of the power, but because of these drivers and conditions. A 10 speed automatic with proper tires especially when 250hp more than a 700hp C63 would get destroyed.
@@notyourtypicalfarah7194Yeah ... the problem on W204 C63' s is that you cant get bigger tyres than 275 on the back i think. If he runs 700 HP, those 275s are rookie numbers, 295 would be better which pretty much even a base 911 (no turbo, no turbo s) uses. For comparison a RS5 has 275 on ALL Wheels, front and back, even just with 450 hp. I read into the C63 thematics and the consens is that theres not enough space in the wheel arch for such tyres because you won't fit a 295 rubber on a 9.5J Rim. So you would need at least a 11.0J Rim. I know some people who also have 650-750 hp supercharged W204 C63 ' s and everyone complains about the traction problems. I guess it would still be better than here because the c63 is only automatic. 1000nm on the rear on a manual is uncontrollable from a standing start, thats why some people use custom differentials which are controlled by a GPS Box and custom gearbox control unit which is constantly measuring the wheelspin and taking away power until the tyre does not spin anymore. It works great but most people are too dumb to understand why this is even needed, because they think you can floor 1000nm on the rear and it takes off like a electric car.... It shows that nobodoy really driven a mustang in this comment section because even stock with TC Off the tyres will spin for good 2 seconds until it grips.
@@inkman6964People wont understand that. 95% of the people commenting here know nothing about cars. The youtube comment section is the worst education source for such things, people are ignorant. Theres literally 13 year olds who never driven a car saying they would launch a 980 HP RWD Manual car better than someone who went through the huge hassle to even get it forced induction and probably has his license since 15 years AND driven other 500HP cars before... Thats the state of the comment section since years.
Let me put it this way, my brother's stock 14 gt runs low 13's at 2500 ft elevation, right on the edge of 12s. At only 5lbs of boost, little over 500hp, I'm low 11's (and I desperately need a transbreak) at 122mph. The race in the video was totally pointless but I suppose it's fun for them and fun to watch. They're putting down 1/4 mile ets of basically stock mustangs.
I just ran my 2022 GT and 0 to 60 in standard drive mode and got 5.1 seconds. I put it in sport mode and got 5.0 seconds and then I did track mode and got 4.9 seconds. Stock.
Nothing more exciting than watching 1000 HP cars race on street tires, or a surface that doesn't allow them to put the power down. Might as well put them both on ice and tell them to race. Supercharged all day long on a surface where they can both put the power down.
Why so slow for the power? I mean they're fast by normal car standards, but not 900bhp+ fast. Either the power is hugely exaggerated or Mustangs have an awful chassis? Would of thought 3 sec 0-60 and 10 or 11 sec 1/4 mile for those specs.
Traction... Ah yeah never heard of it silly me. Surely 900bhp+ cars would have decent suspension, tyres, LSD, etc which would all aid performance stats? These cars are underperforming massively for the power in comparison to other modern machinery. Hence why they're barely on the leader board against cars with almost half the power. Like I said is it a Mustang chassis thing where they just can't put the power down or are these cars not really running the power they say?
@@SpiritBlueFezST remember manufacturers only quote their best times - not necessarily the times you’d expect on the road (or runway). US times are notoriously optimistic and they usually do their times at the strip after a burn out and on a prepped strip. Makes a big difference. Adding more power to Mustangs is the ultimate example of how men are still on the whole, mostly stupid, and are susceptible to marketing and big dyno print outs and claims. The male equivalent of Prada handbags. There is nothing rational about it. Powerful RWD cars start getting slower 0-100km/h times after they creep above 400-450hp atw (on the street using street tyres). The useable power/speed band just creeps further and further up to the point they do not serve as a useful street car platform.
If you think 900hp Mustangs can't be fast than you don't anything about them. Firstly, they didn't have proper tires and secondly they guys can't shift a manual fast enough. If these idiots had proper tires and had a 10 speed automatic, they would be faster.
Interesting/fun video of two guys enjoying the cars...no argument there. However, would have been interesting to see it with two people who could actually shift a manual like they were actually racing - not going to the grocery store. Some pretty slow shifting going on there. Even the roll race, they both didn't seem to be starting off in their power band.
JAMIE! We had a blast, thank you for having us down - For anyone interested in a behind the scenes of the day, check out our video we made! 😁 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-g2e4OyjTXxQ.html
Interesting battle...Supercharging vs Turbocharging on the same car. I noticed the supercharged car was able to rev cleaner and pull harder higher up the rpm range through its gears than the Turbocharged car did. So maybe "slightly larger" sized turbos are required but with similar boost levels on the Turbocharged Mustang or more waste gating or a combination of both. Cool video always entertaining!
Bigger turbos means the power delivery is worse, but you make bigger power. Because superchargers are lineair with the engine the power delivery is better.
you can tell that the guys can't race the cars and the young lad seems so excited you can tell he hasn't reached these speeds before! Gear changes are horrific and only in the las roll, the older guy makes a good shifting and you see the car jumps forward before the finish line
