Twitch Regrets Paying This Streamer $30,000,000 

To clarify- I don’t think I should feel bad when people who CHOOSE not to get the vaccine get sick from COVID I also labeled people against the vaccine as anti vaccine- I didn’t think that was contentious

But for real, RU-vid needs to fix some of their streaming stuff so you can find streams easier

Conventions keep doing this "no requirements, oops people are mad, ok requirements" thing that just ends up making everyone upset

“cant get pngs pregnant” from qt replying to chance has me dead

I'm on the board for a (much smaller, ~5k) convention on the east coast, and I think the change in requirement might have come from talent. They're the draw, and people show up to see them. If they weren't willing to come without a stricter policy, that's a major reason to do it. Generally, if people are upset, you weather the storm and let it blow over. Talent upset? That jeopardizes the whole event. The swap probably broke even on the number of people mad, but the hassle of handling refunds and attempting to enforce the policy are far more effort. I'd be surprised if a change-up like this didn't have an additional impetus. I assume there was something else because pre-order sales can seem pretty low. 15k doesn't seem unexpected or bad 2 months out if you're looking for 30k attending, since a lot of people buy last-minute or on-site if it's available. I don't think they'd be scared enough for those numbers to warrant something like this, since the trade-off can't be that big a difference. The final alternative is they're just banking on people not getting refunds.

even though twitch did switch plans ,regarding covid restrictions, the tickets were originally non-refundable but when they changed the restrictions they did send an email and allowed ticket holders to get a refund from August 12th (announcement made) to August 19th which i think was a good course of action

I think more people would be outraged if showering a day before attending the event was a mandate

Otakon (Anime Convention on the East Coast) did Mask REQUIRED and Vaccination or PCR test to go in. While it was certainly impossible to control everyone to be wearing a mask, most people where actually complying. Even with the strict requirements, Otakon broke all forecasts and did record numbers.

Actively checking for signs of illness is the best course of action imo. People are gonna complain about vaccines and masks no matter what, but most people know that going into a crowded place with symptoms is a dick move and they shouldn’t be allowed in

I think it should be noted that Nick has been planning this event to run alongside Twitchcon for months.

This sounds like the next tanacon except Covid instead of heat stroke

I think it comes down to the area and how big the event is. In the US now, a lot of people are done with the pandemic and could care less about masking and other restrictions. But with an event like TwitchCon where not only cases are rising in the area but people from all over the states are flying in to the event, it could end up being a super spreader like you said. I think the part of the story where a lot of people are upset is how Twitch said one thing, but once a certain group of people got mad about the lack of restrictions, Twitch changed their guidelines to make that specific group happy (which made everyone else upset). I think Twitch was smart in requiring masks, but I really don’t like how a lot of events are changing their rules in order to please what seems like a few angry people on Twitter (bit of an exaggeration but you get the point).

Minor correction on Amsterdam - it was still a massive super spreader event. Loads of CCs even from the US, who travelled over, caught it. For a couple days after the event almost everyone I knew who went was testing positive

I’m glad the mogul mails are coming back some of my favorite relaxing content also nice Bo Burnham merch

Hey Lud, I just wanted to say that your last 24 hour live stream was one of your best streams ever!

The fact that you just get into the topic instead of beating around it is so nice

btw a lot of people did get sick after eu twitchcon so thank god they’re trying to do something this time

I might be wrong about this, but if I were Twitch, I wouldn't look at twitch con like a money making event. I'd look at it as marketing. Twitch is developing a community around their platform and no matter what you do on the platform, they make money off of you being on it. Ideally, the event breaks even or is profitable, but it isn't a huge loss as long as it keeps people excited and staying on Twitch. The competing event basically fulfills the same function of TwitchCon without Twitch spending money on it and will be where people they've alienated by their change of policy will be able to go. I think it is likely a win for Twitch.

mask stuff aside, historically content creators hosting conventions as a competition/protest to a bigger event has always gone sooooo well....

Following local government guidelines is probably the best way to go about it, if guidelines change then venue rules change as well

i am amazed twitch is still the biggest livestreaming platform when they make the dumbest business decisions on a regular basis.

It is really funny to spend money that Twitch gave you to host an event that will compete directly with Twitch's own event, too bad it's for this reason though

Ludwig, over the past year you've grown to become one of my favorite creators, your deep understanding of the internet and simple honesty has yet to be matched by any other creator of your genre

Regardless of why Twitch actually did it, cases ARE surging in the area where they're holding TwitchCon. Their reasons could be profit-motivated, but in this case, it aligns with trying to help keep cases down. Saying "don't change anything ever after it's announced" in a pandemic is an easy but ultimately reckless stance.

Nicks event is just going to be Tanacon all over again, I’m calling it right now.

I think this is arguably the best “keep you up to date” show on RU-vid

I just realized, Ludwig prepares tabs as if they were slides in a slideshow

That amount of English Classes for school definitely helped, these videos are wonderfully crafted, presented, and narrated. Thanks for the mail.

So he’s running a twitch con competitor on the same day at the same place…nothings gone wrong doing that before

Went nearly 3 years without covid, went to Twitch Con AMS and got BLASTED with that viral load

Thermal guns to check for a fever on entry are actually wildly ineffective for checking if someone has the vid

Every time someone runs a competing event to a creator meetup like twitchcon or vidcon I can’t help but chuckle at the memories of tanacon and fouseycon

People who know about Tanacon: hey I've seen this one before Nickmercs: what do you mean you've seen it it's brand new!

Outside of all the covid stuff and whatnot I do find it funny because the last time someone made an event to spite a larger con, it ended in disaster. So at minimum I hope they actually care for their attendees unlike Tanacon. Well, aside from not caring about masks and vaccinations.

Large companies and events should be looking at local laws as a minimum guide and making best interest decisions to tighten those where needed. The only reason I can see to change those decisions is if for example an area went from none to very little cases to an alarming amount of cases (encouraging the event to tighten their rules)

"You wanna meet Poki, not catch Covi"

ludwig i think its cool that you are interacting with everybody in this comment section, havent seen many large creators do that. keep up the good work!

You're right about not changing rules. Everyone is pretty divided on this so any rule will upset a lot of people, but if you stick to your original guidelines, all your complaints will come when you announce them at first, not closer to when the event is supposed to be. If TwitchCon had instated these rules from the jump, we wouldn't even be talking about them right now.

Love the more consistent amount of uploads on Mogul Mail

This is like the Michael Scott Paper Company arc of the office

Tanacon 2.0, about the same level of intelligence there but maybe more funding thanks to twitch lmao

I’d imagine being a direct competitor violates most contracts.

It makes sense why twitch con would update their guidelines. SDCC returned earlier this year and it had harsh covid guidelines, so it’s just obvious that another con in the same area/building would take the same precautions. I hope twitch con has as good as staff as SDCC because guards there were super strict about the mask rules.

i’m glad twitch changed the guideline, no matter the reason.

Lud this is probably my favorite channel out of all the ones you have, i love how much you look into the things you talk about it really reflects the amount of research you do on your topics.

They should probably just pick a rule set and stick with it. You know there is gonna be at least one guy who read the rule when he bought the ticket, didn't know that it changed, and will try to get into the event without a negative test result because he didn't know. Changing the rules after ticket sales is like changing the user agreement after signing, isn't fair to the customer.

Emma and Soda’s responses are the best 😂

Nick Mercs was seriously over paid, I still dont understand that one. Twitch is hurting for money, they dont need to give Nick Mercs a contract like that. Let him stay or if wants to leave let him.

I love your mogul mails, it's nice to have different types of Ludwig content it keeps it refreshing.

so he's doing tanacon 2.0.... I bet it'll go great

I'm getting flashbacks to Tanacon. Can't wait to see another hastily cobbled together creator event competing with an event planned out and hosted by a big corporation.

Conventions pre-covid times were already incubators for getting sick easily. It isn't a bad idea to wear a mask to avoid con flu, much less covid. It's such a low barrier to deal with, I don't get how wearing a mask to not be sick became such a complicated concept.

If you use the CDC as your authority for health and safety and got two rounds of vaccines, a booster, and wore a mask when mandated. Then you should use that same authority when masks are lifted.

Thank god nickmercs took all the sweaty warzone players to another building, thank god

Companies need to stop thinking Twitter is the town square, the majority of people don't even use Twitter. Decide on your policy and then stick to it.

i didnt think ludwig could explain something in a reasonable time

I agree with everything you’ve said but the reason why twitch didn’t feel the need to put that you need to be Vaxxed for the Amsterdam twitch con is because the Netherlands is the strictest country in EU and you need to have all the jabs + the booster to even fly there ( from England that is) but should be the same from everywhere

Will we ever get Ludwig doing a mogul mail video on an actual email question? Also if a faze guy and the sonii guy agree on some thing, you should probably move in the opposite direction .

The fuck it baby it's done part was funny af 🤣

In Texas its been over 2 years since I have been required to where a mask.

Honestly, restrictions should change depending on the place the convention is hosted, like if covid’s a big issue, more restrictions, if it’s not, then less restrictions

I'm with you and not even for covid or non covid / vaccine reasons. People paid for tickets with a certain scenario, then twitch flipped it. I'd say those people are entitled to refunds if they want them.

Masks and temp checks honestly seem like the bare minimum to waive concerns.

Ludwig rocking a ring on his left hand ring finger only? WTF IS GOOD LUD

I think Twitch regrets paying this streamer $30,000,000

I'm not anti vax. I just haven't gotten the vaccine. Guess that makes me anti vax

His idea is great, the only way to make sure is to test at the door.

This is just the watered down twitch version of the tana-con disaster

Lud is overstating the amount of maskless people at AX. I was there the 4 days, indoors you would struggle to find a maskless person in sea of hundreds of people in your vision

The lineup is gonna be hell for Twitch Con, I presume. Went to a local con and they had a mandatory covid passport system in place. It was a fantastic 3hr queue to get in for pre-purchased ticket holders on a balmy 85ºF sunny day. The first day was even worse, the lineup was so slow that people that waited all day couldn't even get in before the venue closed. If the con organizer doesn't have the resources to do it properly when it's not legally necessary to do so in the first place, they shouldn't even bother.

I built a whole LEGO set in the span of this video

Keep up the Mogul Mail, Lud. I appreciate it! And although it seems better to stick to the same policies for an event, they can be changed if the scenarios change ofc. And among other things, organizations such as Twitch should not be so reckless and make policies that end up changing. Restrictions and requirements for an event are primary in event organization and if the smart people at Twitch cannot come up with an elaborate policy, then it feels like they need a better event management team or stakeholders.

I see that Lud is replying to a lot of comments which is unusual. Either he truly believes we are friends now or he hired someone to reply to some comments

I don't think it's unreasonable to think that this is a response to a couple major streamers who got Covid at Twitchon-Europe. You can make a good business decision and do the right thing all in one swoop.

0:09 Lud, you are a genius.

RU-vid just needs to add a “streaming” tab for ease of access to find streams, they have a video and shorts tab for the medium and short form fans so long form fans should also get something too

Their event, their rules. That being said, those who already bought the tickets should be entitled to a full refund.

If a complete stranger wants to do something that puts them at more risk than myself, I do not care. I don't even care enough to try and keep them away from public events. Leave people alone to do with their lives what they want.

The “MFAM”? Lmao thats hilarious he is a grown ass man

Twitch Con should require attendees to wear deodorant.

We all make mistakes, not $30,000,000 mistakes mind you, but mistakes none the less

I wish people could just police themselves. It's sad you need someone with a thermometer standing at a door telling you to go home.

Ludwig is becoming a mix of Philip Defranco and Charlie

You can tell this dude was an English major. This opening statement was superb lol

My experience at PAX East this past April was pretty good. Vaccination required, mask required + enforced. And I mean enforced. Didn't hear a thing about people getting sick afterwards. They wanted a safe event and didn't ever back down from that.

we had 6 people all vaxed go out on a work trip and 4 came back w covid just as a heads up vaxed doesnt mean you wont get it and doesnt even lower your chances it just helps you get over it faster and lessens side-effects in theory.

COVID being labeled as either left or right wing politics still kinda blows my mind is a pretty good example of what modern day North American politics look like

"Safety Is Number One Priority."

A company I worked at did an internal study and found the temperature gun didn't help at all in preventing COVID from spreading, so they removed the daily check at the front gate. It's kind of similar to security theater at this point, more psychological than actually effective. Mainly because nobody has a fever for the entire time they're symptomatic and not everyone even gets a fever as part of their symptoms. So you're only filtering out a smallish portion of the symptomatic carriers of COVID, unfortunately.

Spending $300,000 of your own money to not wear a mask for 20 minutes is so nuts hahahaha

this is defo gonna be a tanacon moment

I couldn't help but focus on Bo Burnhams Merch. Lowkey happy Lud is a fan

From someone who is from the EU (Denmark), I have not heard about any restrictions about covid for half a year. So having people to wear mask, even though they are vaccinated and tested sounds rly weird to me. Might just be me :P

As someone who lives in the EU and NL specific, reasons being the CoViD restrictions were so relaxed is because at the beginning of last year and the year before that we were very on the nose about vaccines. people got invited and pushed hard to kinda get vaccines, anti vaccs isnt really a big thing or as widespread as it was in america and in general the regulations/free healthcare made sure that people were safer alot quicker hence why i think the relaxed regulations are justified not sure how the covid situation is over there but aslong as people who are sick/ill get tested (when going to big events) and people are enough to ensure safety of others i dont mind any regulations. thanks for the great videos/mogul mail always look forward to watching it and wishing you and the boys a great weekend

I attended Twitchcon Amsterdam this year and there were A LOT of people that got COVID because there wasn't any requirements on vaccines and tests etc.

this competing event against twitch reminds me of tanacon, the competing against vidcon a few years back. and god did that end in a disaster

hey lud very small and very miniscule chance you'll see / respond but i want to thank you for helping me reach affiliate you and your community gave me so much help and advice. btw i was late wig creator from your 24 stream. i loved that stream as i met so many nice people originally the design was supposed to say short king as funnily enough your reddit helped me get through some bullying about my height. i liked seeing you deal with it so thanks man take care.

I feel like they shouldn't have those restrictions at events. If you want to be scared, stay inside.

Nick is literally pulling a Tanacon LMAO

man’s pulling a tanacon 2.0