Twitch: Their Own Worst Enemy 

It truly feels like Twitch is run by people who have never in their life watched a live stream on Twitch. Also, it'll always be hilarious to me that corporations' response to "creators are using another platform because it's a more reliable source of income" is never "be a more reliable source of income" but "prohibit creators from using that platform".

LMFAO, all social platforms are currently trying to self-destroy by monetizing their customers and are competing among each other to see which one goes to bankruptcy first. This has been the most entertaining show this season or even this year and we don't even have to pay any kind of subscription fee to watch it unfold.

Twitch is trying real hard to show us that "too big to fail" doesn't exist.

Netflix kills shows after two seasons or so because the writers fees go way up as more seasons are produced. They do this on purpose. The lure is "hey look, ultra talented writer, for the fifth season we'll pay $1 million." Then they cancel at two or three.

16:00 Great strategy. Problem is, these social platforms have a habit of just not honoring grandfathered contract language and telling you to pound sand. Vinny intentionally held off from signing new deals with Twitch because he had an old deal that allowed RU-vid. Twitch's response was to just forget about the deal two years later, enforce their no-simulcast policy anyway, and claim that Vinny had agreed to new terms by continuing to use the platform at all. Social media consists of one proposition, to wit: that there are people that the ToS protects but does not bind, and that there are people that the ToS binds but does not protect.

800 a month?! that cant even pay the lawyer to sue twitch lol

Cancelling Altered Carbon really pissed me off. Of all the SciFi shows that could theoretically go on FOREVER no matter who's the main actor, Altered Carbon would have had the best excuse. Need a new actor? Just say (s)he was resleeved. Nobody would bat an eye. The entire cast is modular, and it's completely within the universe to expect someone to be in a different body. And then they cancel it after two seasons......................

8:00 I happen to know an individual who was part of starting Twitch and it isn't just that they left. A lot of people who didn't want to play ball with Amazon were actually forced out after the buyout happened. It's not that they didn't want to stay, but the new management at Twitch pretty much turned the entire company against anyone who had spoken out against selling to Amazon.

I think the reaction to new baked-in ad rules now is so different than RU-vid in 2015 because the level of trust that the community has with Twitch is non-existent. It really doesn't help when Twitch throws out their announcement in a Tweet in the middle of the night as if hoping no one would notice. I just feel bad for whoever made the neat infographic, it was well made and clearly outlined the rules. Which is probably why the reaction was so fast... makes you think that maybe social media platforms being as vague as possible with the rules is a feature, not a bug.

Critical Role also has a contract that lets them stream on youtube and twitch at the same time as well.

I still don't think KICK is going to be "the deal", but with the fracturing it might be able to carry a portion of the load and "streamers" will be spread out across multiple platforms. It is kinda like going back to specific forum sites for specific topics rather than one place for all your interests. Seeing this with the whole reddit thing.

RU-vid having these same rules and not enforcing them is just as bad, that means they quietly and selectivity enforce the rules, on people they don't want on youtube. Twitch was probably trying the same thing, all they did was bring their rules on par with youtube

I don’t even get how it’s legal for a US company to say “if you use our platform you’re not allowed to use any of our competitors.”

For what ever reason media company seem to get this bad idea in their head that their brand name is the content people want and not the content it self. So they do really stupid things like try and increase profits by cutting it out of the people actually making the content, which makes creators leave which means their less stuff to engage with, which mean less people come, which means less money. It has played out so many times and these company never seem to learn that they need to keep their creators on board and that their creators content not their brand name is in fact the thing people are engaging with.

Did you see the clip where a Twitch Employee, afaik the Twitch Creative Director, goes into a live stream and starts gaslighting the streamer and basically tells him that everything he said about Twitch is wrong/a lie?

Yea Derefevil was quite a bad example since Netflix didn't even make the show, it was made by Marvel Televison & ABC studios, Netflix just had the exusisve streaming rights and then Marvel Televison was folded in to Marvel studios the next year and the streaming license lapped in 2022 so the shows were removed from netflix and put on Disney +.

I love how LMG has grown past the point of giving a F about twitch potentially banning them... That said, I think LMG could make their own streaming platform and it would be better than Twitch at this point lol. Keep it up :)

We'll have to see if Twitch's rules on multi-casting would apply to large corporations. Apple, Nintendo, PlayStation?

The twitch user experience is horrid with the amount of ads. At least tv is different because when you get an ad you don’t completely miss what you were wanting to see. Even a pre roll ad isn’t bad because you weren’t invested in what was going on just yet. After getting 8 back to back ads while watching somebody play in a final circle of apex I left twitch for good.

It’s all going the way commercial television went

You nailed that right on the head Linus regarding TV shows - if there are only 2 seasons or less, I won't even bother watching it at all and you are so right about shows just being up and cancelled way too often - if they set 5 season minimum contracts - that would be far better. Gues they are going to learn the hard way as users continue to evaporate the platform to other rich sources of entertainment. Watching only 1 or 2 seasons of any show is usually a complete waste of time and ends up in frustration beyond belief - Firefly anyone - easily one of the very best SciFi shows serves as a perfect example of a complete failure of management ...

According to a Google search, they showed that Kick's interface doesn't actually include any of Twitch's code, using a different framework and such. That makes sense to me, as otherwise there would be an obvious lawsuit.

"Twitch chat, I love you... but you don't matter". That was brutal

at 13:00 it shows that linus isn't a weeb. Any anime fan knows that a new series could take 10-15 years and it wouldn't surprise anyone It is fucking stupid but we are so used to it

Twitch literally just wants a bigger piece of the pie. They don't want people to make money off their platform if they also don't get some of the money the streamers make. Twitch introduced bits for a reason, because they were angry that people donated to streamers through stuff like Paypal and they weren't getting any of the money.

Props to LTT for not getting shafted by contracts back in the day. It's always difficult to stand your ground on this stuff

That's really funny because I watch all of these on RU-vid, I don't ever watch any of this on twitch or anything. It doesn't come up in the show often enough I didn't even know you guys streamed this on twitch.

As someone who started streaming I think I will just switch to RU-vid. Not like i have a following or anything. Oddly enough I do have more views on my RU-vid archives. More consistent at the very least.

I want to ask LMG Group a question. Is it possible that you can text your videos? I fully understand if its to much work or takes to much time. (The Auto text doesn't work that well) i lost my hearing 1985 during the invasion of Afghanistan. I expect that you doesn't going to se this but I love your videos! Its shimmer of light during a dark time! Пока!

Guess it's not odd RU-vid lowering monetization requirements Before it was 1k subs, 4k watch hours or 10mil shorts views to get monetized, now it's 500 subs, 3k watch hours or 3 mil shorts views

Twitch: "can we forget about the things I said when I was drunk."

"Twitch chat doesn't matter" I laughed sooooo hard 😆😆

Throwing It All Away by Genesis is like the theme song of social media companies and their users right now. Facebook, Twitter, reddit, twitch, heck even RU-vid has been toeing the line for years. "we cannot live together, we cannot live apart. And that's the situation, I've known it from the start. You know I know baby, I don't wanna go. But you're throwing it all away, is there nothing I can say to make you change your mind"

Lol 13:15 blue remote.

They say Riley is still updating the script to this very day

At this point Twitch is a vending machine for my Prime rewards and nothing more

Well. Shows being cancelled without a resolution has always happened.

That aside about Netflix: oh man, I feel your frustration. It was the Ash vs Evil Dead show that did it for me.

Isn't kik a platform that swingers and people looking for "casual encounters" use?

Lol. No mention of Netflix losing customers from the child porno flick Cuties.

Just looked in to this, and kick does not use any of Twitch's leaked source code. The only thing people have to go on is that there was "embed code" on a page on kick, but this is just a URL that points to embed related twitch stuff, not any indication of identical use of backend servers.

This is how bad it's got, I've seen streamers on twitch asking MS to bring back Mixer...

i stopped netflix because they keep canceling my favorite shows.

Twitch got too many ads on it, i reflexively close twitch whenever one comes on.

They "rolled back" they didn't do shit! Guys... Just leave twitch. It's not worth the headache. They have been toying with streamers for such a long long time man

TBH I don’t think any platform should be allowed to have those kinds of limitations on how you’re allowed to monetize your own content without being classified as editorializing, so long as the way of monetization is both legal and would otherwise fall within the TOS. If Twitch wants a piece of that pie, they should find a way to make something in which they can manage the sponsorships for the creators where it adds clear value to the creator to use.

This is how I found how that Ninja's real name is Richard and his middle name is Tyler? So now I only have Tyler1 as famous people named Tyler. (Yes, and Tyler Joseph, which is why I have to hide my middle name, but that's it)

Twitch literally just edging destroying their own platform

I'm only on twitch because of 2 creators... Once they leave, I will! Twitch is a goddamn nightmare

I can barely tell that Luke isn't in the studio!

the biggest problem with twitches new sponsorship policy is that smaller streamers who rely on twitch as their income suddenly wouldnt be able to afford food or rent if those policies were to be implemented and they would lose too much of their audience if they were to switch to a different platform so for those smaller creators the options are to stay on twitch and not eat, switch to a different streaming platform and not eat until they can rebuild an audience, or just quit streaming

Sad part is. Twitch is going to be around long after this. All the bigger streamers will leave and then the lesser known ones will be left behind and ether florish or suffer.

"They kind've always sucked. How is it that we're just kind've figuring it out now?" Reminds me of the peeps that didn't realise early on who the bad guy was in House of Cards. It was obvious to some - but to everyone else only obvious in hindsight.

Maybe youtube is keeping that term on the back burner for use here soon.

Whomever did the thumbnail did an amazing job! 😂

Champion thumbnailing there

Signed up for floatplane earlier today and just now realized LMG clips aren't on there. Why not?

Twitch cliffhanging RN!

YOU BETTER PUT ALL YOUR EGGS IN THIS IS BASKET OR YOU'RE DONE YOU'RE OUTTA SCHOOL D'ASS.

I've been in the partner program since it started. This is so sad....

Its these Silicon Valley wackos running the party.

Netflix kind of sucks now mostly due to the fragmentation is streaming services. Basically have to Google to find what streaming service has the show I have in mind. It's ass.

ah the old adds because of side top & bottom banners is why i started using ublock origin

Usually I'm pretty critical of Linus hogging the airspace and not letting Luke get in a word edge-wise*, but man, I feel for him with this audio delay. *As only someone who struggles with the exact same compulsions can be

whoa, luke has been losing weight

$800 is close to what I have to live with each month.

RU-vid premium went from 50 million users to 80 million this year. Amazon prime has 130 million users not all of which are twitch users with twitch having 140 million active users in total. RU-vid also doesn't have to share with a whole e-commerce business, just it's music streaming service.

I was gonna start multistreaming my YT Streams (the few I do) to Twitch again soon...welp gonna multistream to a different platform them

Netflix is its own poison. If they didn't produce everything in one big dump they would see want seasons are worth keepinying and which ones will flop. They killed all the hype in so many anime because you cant have a discussion when its all about binging the whole season.

Deadass: RU-vid, the OG, is most DEFINITELY seeing a lot less of me. They clearly dgaf what I feel, so why should I about them?

i love the cardboard cut out

Support the competition.

If you read the terms of service for youtube they're pretty much the same as to what twitch changed it to. Switching for that reason is dumb. If your argument is that youtube takes less of a cut? Sure. If your argument is that twitch is overstepping, and that google cares more than amazon does...well you're just wrong. I'm not saying that jumping ship is wrong. I'm saying doing so for that specific reason is dumb.

You know... Perhaps if Mixer was still around, they would probably be riding this wave of twitch refugees

Rip designated survivor...

RU-vid should have went through with that

New C.E.O having a heart attack every WAN show.

I'm pretty sure normies are going to struggle to join Kick, considering most people's first impressions of Kick is when Aiden Ross showed a bunch of minors porn on stream, and restreaming the super bowl while saying "Kick allows me to do this, Twitch doesn't." Whether he's right or wrong about Kick's rules doesn't really matter in terms of first impressions.

10:52 Kijiji

I can't believe 2015 was already 8 years ago...

people aren’t going to Kick, they’re just not watching Twitch until they find something else to get mad about

Disney has lost a lot of god will with their woke propeganda.

There is an alternative: Owncast

facebook's 'goodwill' is unassuming boomers who dont know the next thing about facebook's next big controversy

13:13 lol nice

No one can stop Linus.

Blizzard has been trying really hard to make themselves hated lately...

The best thing from netflix.. leading me to make a plex server.

Twitch's problem is they have too many useless content creators. They really need to set thresholds to how high the resolution that a streamer can stream at based on their follower, subscription, and affiliate status. However what really hurts the Twitch experience is the ad mechanism which does not track you across streams so switching streams can result in a flood of new ads. With Turbo now costing more than Amazon Prime, D+, and most levels of Netflix, they have priced the content outside its value. I seriously doubt many have left Twitch and found success unless they already had it on Twitch.

Anyone remember Google-Plus? Too soon?

GG linus. I was watching your video while playing genshin impact and pulled my first wish. I got qiqi.

All these platform being destroyed by a modest rise in interest rates (historically, I get it's high for last 15y or so) is hilarious. Basically all these companies are just trying to look profitable for a qtr or two so the CEO and higher ups and can check out with huge financial package.

Vague rules are a feature, not a bug.

11:00 to answer the question: Reddit lol

They rolled it back the next day, a la WotC.

I want a new season of inside job

Ive noticed more streaming here on youtube..

Most big social networks seems to have forgotten wich goose that laid the golden egg. I know business need to grow but they seem to be forgetting the square cube law. at some point growth becomes unsustainable. i see the logic in expanding into other fields but pretty non of the social media apps have succeeded this far (because they all seem to think that cutting off their own legs is the best way to move forward) yes it is easy to begin charging money for a "free" service (they still get a lot of data and marketing information wich is in somesence scarry but also a form of compensation). Most of these services seem to forget that being "free" was the original reason we began using them ( i am cynical enough to admit it the companies are not gonna stop they cannot accept a world where they only get a slice of the cake and would therefore rather risk no cake at all if it means even a minute chance of getting the whole cake) By slowly pushing the limit of what is acceptable the unacceptable suddenly becomes just another trifle I do not have a solution i just needed to vent a bit

Kind of makes you wonder how Twitch even survives because it probably costs them more than $800 a month to host that content from you, and I doubt they make $1600 from you to even break even let alone make profit.

Can we just mention the MVP Riley who, FROM HOME (probably), is still updating the script? 🥰