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Two Go To Film Cameras For Wedding Photographers

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We compare the Pentax 645NII versus the Contax 645. These are some of the last medium format film bodies ever produced. It's really interesting to look at these two film cameras. And why do we choose these film cameras? Well, because these really are the two go to cameras for wedding photographers and the two most popular. Why shoot film and which camera is better for you? Is paying more for the Contax worth it? Let us know which you would choose. #PentaxVsContax #BestFilmCamera #MediumFormatFilmCamera
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@cihanalpgiray 2 года назад

I just want to fix something. Pentax's lens is not 80mm. It is SMC Pentax 75mm f/2.8 There is no such thing as an 80mm lens. Quite interesting that you guys wrote everywhere :) But thanks for the video. Pretty good comparison.

@TheSlantedLens 2 года назад

Thanks for the clarification!

@marksummers5504 3 года назад

I believe the meter in the Pentax is off about a stop over. Just adjust it to shoot one stop under and compare. Nice job

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

Great tip. Thanks for your input!

@inevitablecraftslab 3 года назад

@@TheSlantedLens :)

@westonsmith4572 3 года назад

You asked for comments - I would like to request a comparison of Contax 645 vs Mamiya 645 AF. Great video. Cheers from Canada.

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

Thanks for the idea! I have added it to our list!

@michaelpurcell5084 3 года назад

I chose the Pentax 645 for weddings in the early 90's. couldn't find enough difference in lens systems that made a difference below 20x30 prints. I could buy 2 bodies at less than one Hassy or Contax. no need for changable backs. Added a 645n body around 2000. At that time it had better metering and better SF than most high end 35 mm. Still using both bodies.

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

That is awesome. I bet you have some great images!

@MikeKemp 3 года назад

That jump between beardless to bearded kinda freaked me out!

@jaypmorgan4782 3 года назад

Me to. It's like I can't figure out who I am. Have a great day.

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

LOL. That's what happens during Covid.

@ernestkj 3 года назад

I started wedding shoots in 2002 with 2 Pentax bodies so no issues trying to finish the film before loading an entire different film type! I only carry 45mm, 80mm and 120mm macro with me. Pentax is a workhorse but I can't say quite the same for Contax or Hassy which my seniors are using.

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

Glad to hear it. Thanks for sharing what works for you!

@jaypmorgan4782 3 года назад

@@TheSlantedLens I have shot thousands of rolls of film through my 500cm. I agree on the no issues on finishing a roll of film before loading a different film type. Thanks

@BrianSFischer 3 года назад

If you ever get the urge to pull out the Pentax again, it would be fun to outfit it with the other end of the Pentax quality spectrum. The FA 645 120mm is a good competitor to the Zeiss and Hasselblad options. You don't get the bokeh, but it's a very nice lens and an extremely flattering focal length for the face.

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

Good to know. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

@kristoffergo6294 3 года назад

Amazing guys! I really appreciate you guys reviewing film cameras:)

@jaypmorgan4782 3 года назад

We want to do more of this in the future. Spread the word. Thanks.

@kristoffergo6294 3 года назад

@@jaypmorgan4782 Definitely!!:) looking forward to it

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

Glad you are enjoying the film camera reviews!

@thegreatscode 3 года назад

I always loved your lighting techniques or other hacks for filming and photography. Or even budget ideas in those same subjects

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

Thanks! Appreciate the positive feedback!

@BillionairesBoysClub 3 года назад

Since lenses are the deciding factor with film cameras, you might want to add the information, that there are various possibilities to add F2 lenses to the Pentax 645 system, though they are manual focus then. Why is that important? Most wedding photographers use manual focus even on the Contax. And the focus confirmation function on the Pentax 645 system makes focusing super easy. That part was kind of missing in the video. A fully working focus confirmation function for manual focusing lenses is a big deal! Taking into account the price difference, the relatively better availability of the P645 system on the market and the higher durability of the P645 system (lesser prone to electronic death), the P645 system suddenly shines in a different light. Possibilities of adapted lenses include 90mm F2 Projection lenses (ISCO or Schneider Cinelux), an adapted Leica Summicron 90mm F2 and the Noritar 66 80mm F2 (also Planar Design).

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

That's great. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and expertise!

@manilamartin1001 3 года назад

Thanks for this. Brings back great memories.

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for your support!

@eijiroinouye4115 8 месяцев назад

I guess Pentax optics are also great

@MichaelLaing71 3 года назад

What makes the biggest difference is the lens in the review, with the Zeiss 80mm f/2 is a fabulous lens and the Pentax lens was never really going to be able to compete.

@jaypmorgan4782 3 года назад

It's hard for any lens to compete with the Zeiss Lens line from that era. They were the best.

@BillionairesBoysClub 3 года назад

@@jaypmorgan4782 Well, there is some competition when counting in various options of adapted F2 lenses for the P645 system, which then becomes a "rivaling" camera system becuase of it's durability and lower price point.

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

Thanks for your comments. Appreciate your support!

@BrianSFischer 3 года назад

I have both systems and enjoyed the episode, but it could have been titled "Softest Pentax kit lens vs Superb Zeiss classic!"

@goranjarmar4135 3 года назад

It is hard to compete with the Zeiss but the Pentax 67, 105mm, f 2,5 is a great lens to use on 645 with an adapter. Camera is still reading the aperture.

@Elkmor2 3 года назад

the most beautiful model on your channel :)

@jaypmorgan4782 3 года назад

We work with some amazing talent. Thanks for watching.

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

She was excellent to work with. Thanks for your support!

@pierlombardini8705 3 года назад

in my experience what really matters is first thing first: sharpness and then bokeh, (with almost everything else you can deal in post) - for what about the latter Planar is clearly nicer but if your shot is out of focus the whole test is quite useless. By the way I don't think that today anyone would choose any of these cameras for the AF system, it's a lot safer to focus manually than having your pictures blurry. Beautiful girl!!!!!!!!!

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

@BrianSFischer 3 года назад

My only constructive criticism is that you use the cheapest available lens on the Pentax. It would’ve been interesting to stop them both down a little on a shot to give the Pentax kit lens a chance. Both great cameras!

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

Appreciate the feedback. Thanks for watching!

@BrianSFischer 3 года назад

@@TheSlantedLens I have both cameras, I love them both, and currently have them loaded with film I won from the slanted lens!

@pierlombardini8705 3 года назад

Pentax 75mm is NOT a kit lens in the sense we use today, it was the standard lens for normal lenght on that camera - no other options were avaible, as well if you check prices for used Pentax 645 lenses you'll find out it's not the cheapest

@lanzarotepersonaltraining1563 3 года назад

Hasselblad h6d vs phase one iq4 . That would be awesome

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

That would be an awesome review. We will see what we can do.

@lanzarotepersonaltraining1563 3 года назад

@@TheSlantedLens thank you 🙏🏽

@Anarki2U 3 года назад

I think that the latest medium format system SLR camera for analog film was Hasselblad 503 CWD produced from 2006 !

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

Good to know. Thanks for doing your research!

@gaarakabuto1 2 года назад

645n is a great value for money camera with Auto-Focus, the lenses aren't the best available but they are more that great, I always felt they lack colour rendition compared to Contax and Mamiya and contrast in b&w usually was stronger on Contax. If I'd be honest though the auto focus on the 645n alongside with the price it came made the 645n much much more appealing. Mamiya was better in most cases but just for a margin and with a higher price tag. The only reason I would prefer Mamiya over Pentax would be the backs and the digital compatability, but not everyone cares for those

@TheSlantedLens 2 года назад

Yeah, you can't beat the price. Thanks for your thoughts!

@shinkunAvi 3 года назад

Thank you that was intresting

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!

@terrywyse 3 года назад

Regarding lens contrast and warmth, I would suggest you shoot a reversal film like E100 and then make your judgment. Using color neg film, you’re leaving way too much up to how it’s scanned, especially if the scanning system is using any auto functions. Reversal film scanned on a profiled drum scanner will reveal the truth. Personally, I never use the 75mm f/2.8 on my P645Nii....it’s more of a kit lens in my view. I’ll use either the 80-160mm zoom (yes, it’s only an f/4) or the 6x7 105mm f/2.4 adapted to the 645 if I’m really going for shallow depth of field.

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

Thanks for sharing your expertise!

@gamingwithstand6886 2 года назад

Do a Phase One Vs Fuji Vs a film camera.

@TheSlantedLens 2 года назад

That would be an interesting review. Thanks for your comment!

@zguy95135 3 года назад

The biggest selling point aside from the f2 lens is that it can do a 1/4000th shutter! That's crazy in medium format. You definitely pay for it though, these things are like 4k for a kit

@jaypmorgan4782 3 года назад

You do pay a price for the lens and the shutter speed. It sure is a great camera. I'd love to have one. Right after I get a ROLLEIFLEX 2.8.

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

Good point. Thanks for sharing!

@Anonymous-iw4hx 8 месяцев назад

1:21, this is a what? swiss? zeiss is a german company ;) and yes the AF on the contax is bad, i use my c645 bodies only in manual focus, since 2011, and it works well

@vangstr 2 года назад

You guys should've added the Mamiya 645 AFD to this comparison.

@TheSlantedLens 2 года назад

That would be another one to consider.

@randallstewart175 2 года назад

This is another of those YT videos proporting to compare two 645 camera systems as though anyone in their right mind would actually choose one of them. Look to cost: A Pentax 645N (not the NII here, which adds nothing) with a selection of commonly used lenses would cost about $2000. Assuming you could actually find a similarly equipped Contax 645 system, try $10k+. Now find it: Pentax 645 equipment was widely sold and is fairly available on ebay and elsewhere. Owing to its nose-bleed prices and short sales period, it would be difficult to assemble a Contax 645 system. While the Contax proposed to offer a wide range of lenses and accessories, in fact most of them were rarely or never sold. Repairs: the Pentax was sold for years in one form or another. There are large qualities of units out there. Since stripping parts from another body is the only source for repairs these days, that is still practical with the Pentax. Few of the Contax 645 were ever sold. There are none out there for parts, and no repairmen knowledgeable of their repair. Almost all shops will refuse to even look at one for repair. Both have significant electronic controls, but the Contax is totally dependent on its electronics. If any part of that system fails, you immediately own $10k worth of brick-a-brack. The lenses on the Contax are superb, but they aren't really Zeiss; they were made by Kyocera under licence from Zeiss, so lets loose the mystical "uber-mench" about them. Finally, at its prioce points, the Contax was purchased only by working pros. They are worked to the edge of death, and even new, they were fairly unreliable because of their complexity. In concept, I always loved the Contax 645, but I would not buy one for any reason. .

@TheSlantedLens 2 года назад

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

@Households1234 3 года назад

Well, I would like to request a comparison of the canon 85 mm 1.2 on the canon 5d Mark 4 compared to the new 85 1.2 on the mirror less cameras please

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

Thanks for the idea. I have added that to our list.

@FramesPerSecond 3 года назад

A comparison with a Mamiya would have been better since they have an 80mm 1.9 and can have interchangeable backs. But I’m guessing you just didn’t have access to one.

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

Yep. It is usually what we can get our hands on. The Mamiya would have been a good addition.

@1911geek 3 года назад

Yes and then folks venture to Oregon Mt.Hood in the Fall to photograph landscape not even up high to 1500 foot elevation to suffer moisture and camera failure that Contax camera. I was the instructor of 15. "I have the best he said ☺️ paid $4500 then price for body and lens" that's the first issues the second issues Contax was the worst in auto focus doing a BW you add filters and you will be frustrated. Pentax 645 gen 1 is a work horse 🐎

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

Thanks for sharing your experience!

@gregorysargeant6305 3 года назад

Wow film for weddings that brings back memories, and you can't get 220 film how many times do you have to load to do a complete wedding and even if you have per loaded 120 backs how many can you carry? But I still love film :)

@ernestkj 3 года назад

I used to do lots of weddings with film before the digital days. Trained myself to load film within 5 seconds and maybe carry about 25 to 30 rolls of film around. Would shoot about 18 rolls for a full day.

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

Yeah, you get fast at it and 2-3 backs are sufficient.

@ngoctram1614 2 года назад

how did you do it can you share with me , thank you

@TheSlantedLens 2 года назад

Not sure what you are asking. Give us a time stamp.

@southyasunari 3 года назад

Mamiya RB67 and nothing else...

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

That is a good choice as well!

@manilamartin1001 3 года назад

Thats a workout to boot.

@Gynra 3 года назад

Lots of wedding photographers shot Bronica, too.

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

That's another good one. Thanks for sharing!

@thedrunkweddingphotographer Год назад

Talk about misleading/click bait title. I was expecting a video of an actual wedding. On that note, with the price of film, scanning, and the Contax 645, it is not practical to photograph a wedding on 120 anymore. 135 is more than adequate for weddings, plus with some patience, one can pick up a pro body, a back up body with some fast pro glass for no more than $800 tops. I have and continue to photograph weddings on 35mm since 2003, worked for both Ritz and Samy's Camera as a lab tech and to this day, I cannot tell the difference between a 120 scan and a 135 scan (from a Frontier scanner at 5000px). Not to mention the average client doesn't bother printing anything larger than an 8x10. Personally, I believe the most crucial part of photographing a wedding on film is by far who and how your film is scanned. New title suggestion: Two Go To Medium Format Film Cameras For Portrait Photographers

@TheSlantedLens Год назад

Like your title "The Drunk Wedding Photographer. Thanks for sharing your expertise!

@thedrunkweddingphotographer Год назад

@@TheSlantedLens and don't get me wrong, good info in this video. Just that I believe it's best suited for a portrait photog rather than a wedding photog, especially one who's just starting out or is thinking of incorporating film into their workflow.

@1911geek Год назад

Contax wait you shoot BW and add yellow ỏ red filters you got a brick in your hand. That's why it was not so popular as the files who worked with it 7 days a week

@TheSlantedLens Год назад

Thanks for watching and keep on clickin!

@gamingwithstand6886 2 года назад

I remember the days of shooting weddings on film. Cheap studio ISO 160 a better studio would give you ISO 400 and we would rate it at 320. Direct flash all day. LOL

@TheSlantedLens 2 года назад

Yep! Things have changed a ton!

@KiinaSu 3 года назад

Wait you are talking about how the focus on the contax hunts and is slow but then show pictures where half the Pentax pics are out of focus while the Contax nailed every one. Looking at that it seems like the Contax is way better in that regard

@BillionairesBoysClub 3 года назад

Well, after being with both of them, the Pentax has the better AF system. In this video it appears to be user error, which even the best AF system can't compensate for. :)

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

Yep, that was user error and one roll of film for each camera.

@nancybabich 3 года назад

pentax records metadata on the fringe as well, you just have to activate it with a combination of buttons to show D on the screen, perfectly legible on my scans, so this is not true they are absolutely illegible, besides, the photo on 3:20 has the same object size and distance as on 4:40 and the difference in bokeh is so different so on the second one you must have had done something with pentax and you shot on higher values than 2.8 later on, it is definitely better on bokeh than shown in the second part photos

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

Thanks for sharing your expertise!

@purehuman9056 3 года назад

Pentax amazing

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

Glad you love the Pentax!

@MrSdbmgarcia 3 года назад

I love my Pentax 645nii. I'm not a fan of that lens. You can get beautiful sharp images with the 55mm f2 super takumar.

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

Good to know. Thanks for sharing!

@BrianSFischer 3 года назад

Love the 55mm, the price for a good one is amazingly low. My 645nii does not get out much these days, but I shoot the heck out of the 645z.

@Anarki2U 3 года назад

What I do not like about Pentax, Nikon and other cameras alike are that the focus ring turns the wrong way...

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

That is hard to get used to!!

@larrymorris8060 3 года назад

Ok let's see the same comparison only shooting manual and mount the Pentax 645n or nII with the lens that actual Pentax Wedding Photographers use....the 67 SMC 105mm 2.4! Then let's have a conversation.

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

Sounds like a great comparison to do.

@mariuszandrzejewski649 3 года назад

Super video 👌 👌 👌

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

Thank you. Appreciate your support!

@jsksoftwaremediatv9260 3 года назад

Nice

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

Glad you liked it. Thanks for sharing!

@MichaelRusso 2 года назад

You can buy a second Pentax body probably for the price of a Contax back. I doubt the Contax lenses are better, you just pay more for the name. Hahaha...

@TheSlantedLens 2 года назад

The reason the Contax is more expensive is the Swiss Planar T Zeiss lens and you also have a removable back. Those are important to some people.

@MichaelRusso 2 года назад

@@TheSlantedLens A removable back that ain't cheap (@$600) and a lens which is just status. Optically, anything about them is purely subjective.

@photomakerman 3 года назад

maybe next time get a second shooter who can get the photos in focus.. haha

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

It's very different than digital.

@stevenhoelderich9490 3 года назад

Next time , try a Pentax K 1000 & see the results.

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

Sounds like a plan. Thanks for the suggestion.

@gustavobandres 3 года назад

mamiya rb67 vs rz67 🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

Good idea. I have added that to our list!

@oliverlison 2 года назад

There is not much difference. Only side by side you really can see the difference.

@TheSlantedLens 2 года назад

Definitely a difference in price!

@michaelnewmanphotography 3 года назад

I’d be curious to know where you can find a contax for $3k. I’m seeing $4k+ 🥴

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

The prices have been going up in the last year.

@michaelnewmanphotography 3 года назад

@@TheSlantedLens for sure! Have y'all done any comparisons with the Mamiya 645 afd compared to the contax?

@ronaldflores4344 3 года назад

Is there a way to get a better Lens on the Pentax? If so, which one you would recommend?

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

Yes. You can get different lenses with the Pentax. It really depends on what lens you will use the most.

@goranjarmar4135 3 года назад

It is also possible to use Pentax 67-lenses with an adapter and the camera still reads the aperture.

@johndonaldson5126 3 года назад

Pentax makes cameras?

@goranjarmar4135 3 года назад

Yes, they are making medium format (645Z), full format and aps-c cameras. All digital of course.

@TheSlantedLens 3 года назад

This video shows the Pentax film camera.

@kenmccoll348 Год назад

Interesting that your model was relegated to the same level as you cameras. You should have introduced her at the very start of the video .. shame on you boys.

@TheSlantedLens Год назад

Not our usual thing. That was an oversight.