TWO INCIDENTS AT OSHKOSH! Cessna 310 Gear Collapse & Cessna 180 Ground Loop 

That 180 had a hell of a lot of time to go around.

Every flight at OshKosh is being judged by hundreds/thousands of spectators and fellow pilots. The pressure gets to a few of them on landing.

The 310 Pilot did a really nice job of handling the situation and clearing the runway

I was a newbie at Oshkosh this year Landing Tues am 11 and departing Sat 6:30 am. Incredibly busy airspace. Amazing there weren't many more " Incidents" A Lot of good/great pilots out there!

I was on the flight line when this happen. For whatever reason, they were landing on 36 R with at least a 12 knot crosswind. Why they weren't instructing tail draggers to land 27 is a complete mystery

I got to attend in 1979 with my Uncle in a Cherokee 6 and was amazed at the traffic of incoming planes. Controllers sounded like auctioneers and did an incredible job talking them all down. I later watched a Vari Eze lose a wheel brake and he went into the rough taking out one of the signs directing to parking. It was a memorable day I'll never forget...

The 180 pilot stopped flying it at touchdown. Elevator wasn’t up, aileron wasn’t into the wind. I like to slip rather than crab because it forces me to fly and to feel what the wind is doing.

When I flew there in 2003, I arrived before Oshkosh became “Oshkosh “. I had been there the previous year as a passenger, and realized I was NOT up to the stress of landing during “the rush”, particularly since my passenger was a white-knuckled non-pilot who I realized was not going to be much help.

Glad they’re both okay!! That’s what is most important

Just want to point out two more things which *likely* contributed to the wrong decision to not going around that Sunday: 1. Incredibly busy approach. We arrived Sunday afternoon and lined up in queue all the way from Madison (!!) with many aircrafts trying to break in line close to Fisk 2. Fear of talking to controller since they were incredibly busy (they totally forgot about us on base 36). That Sunday afternoon arrival was THE most difficult OSH arrival do due to incredible amount of aircrafts on approach. Those many aircraft never seen before as we talked with other pilots who did OSH arrival earlier.

I feel for the guy in the cringeworthy Cessna 180 landing (Less flaps!). It will forever be used as an example of poor crosswind training. An ATP I sold a plane to ground looped it. I was once in a plane with my boss at the controls, a 27-year Navy pilot and he ground looped it. He flew F4U's, F4F's. No ground loops yet but I never take it for granted. It's easy to get behind in a tail dragger.

Not a year goes by at OSH without an incident. Can't imagine how embarrassed the 180 pilot feels.

Having watched a million ground loop videos (and understanding that this isn’t exactly a ground LOOP, but close enough), I’m struck by how many of them involve turning the ailerons the wrong way. I think maybe I’ve figured it out. Put yourself in this guy’s shoes. You have a stiff, gusty left crosswind. You touch down more or less on the left main, with lots of right rudder keeping you lined up. As you slow down, the rudder becomes less effective. As the tail comes around to the right, you see a left turn. A hundred thousand miles’ worth of automotive muscle memory kicks in, saying, “you’re turning left! Turn right! Turn RIGHT!” If you’ve taken advanced driving classes, it’s even worse, as you’ve been taught specifically to “turn into the skid.” That, of course, is exactly backwards from what you should do in a crosswind landing. The solution is more practice, I suppose. And less driving! Something else that helps is seaplane training. You learn a lot about ailerons there.

That 180 had a lot of flaps in for that much crosswind. That was one thing I remember my instructor telling me when I was working on my PPL.

I know they have some kind of controlled chaos system when OSH is running.. but still, if you have a runway available with wind going straight down it, give it to the taildraggers!! Runway 27 would have saved some damage there. Let the bigger boys handle the crosswinds.

The 180: that was a "go around approach/landing" if I ever saw one. He probably forced it in because he felt that pros were looking. Flight training states loud and clear that it's not an embarrassment to "Go around" but is rather a show of an experienced pilot making a good decision. That'll "error in judgment" will cost him $$$ AND "true embarrassment"!

Hey 180 pilot, THATS WHAT GO-AROUNDS ARE FOR!!!!!!!

“Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous. But to an even greater degree than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving of any carelessness, incapacity or neglect.”

I’m really hoping that first guy called out to tower “Like a glove” lol 😂

On a gusty approach I usually used a little more speed and only 10* or less of flaps. Next task was to “fly” the airplane all the way to tie down. Also preferred wing down technique to crab technique.

A little over a week and you're almost up to half a million views. Nice Job Leppy

A 310 was top of my list for years, I dont think I'll do it. Grass strip ops I dont even think the side brace kit would convince me now. Going with Twin Bonanza.

Stunning capture! May I feature the first landing in one of my next uploads? Of course with a link to your original video. Cheers!

Great job on the video, particularly the 180. I had thought that he didn't touch the wingtip or elevator, but sure looks like he did. I know he got some scratches on the outside of the right wheel pants.

Good thing there is a great repair shop located on the field.

That hurts seeing beautiful planes damaged

Wow! Cool captures. Glad nobody was killed.

Hey Jimmy! There is another 310 that needs saving.

Ouch! That 180 is gorgeous!

C-310 gear collapse was most likely caused by either a cracked MLG Torque Tube or a broken Fork Bolt. I've seen both. A note to 310 owners: The logbook entry "Jacked aircraft, swung gear" is NOT enough. Even the newest 310 is approaching 50 years old. These planes must be maintained and rigged by someone who really knows what they are doing.

OUCH! $$$$$$$$$. Kuddo's to the two owner's here. Hope that bruised ego heals fast! Cheers mate!

that 180 was painful to watch...did not want to get on the ground...always better to go around or try elsewhere

No excuses for the Cessna 180, he had about three or four moments where it should have been imperative to go around. The runway disappearing behind him, floating up and down and ballooning like a yo yo were all the clues necessary.

Cool! Silly pilot succeeded in making not just a four point, but an amazing five point landing with a tail dragger.

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The ground loop was the least of the problems with the 180's landing!

The 180 pilot had no cross wind controls in at all. He basically stopped flying the plane. It appears when he should have had full left aileron in he had some right and he also had zero elevator in when he needed full up to put the weight on the tail wheel to help with directional control. Shame it is a pretty plane, the damage is probably limited to the right wing.

180 pilot quickly deployed his Cessna self-righting recovery system!

I was the last P-51 Mustang to land right before one of these airplanes had its issue. I was still on the runway. I had full right rudder in for landing, and it was my first crosswind landing in the Mustang, and first Oshkosh, ever.

Wow, what a bummer!!! Two beautiful classic Cessna's having landing mis-haps... That Sky Wagon was up against a stiff cross-wind, completely straightening-out the wind-sock... It looked somewhat like light damage happened to the R/H wing-tip... He seemed to get-off lucky... But that 310 having a collapsed R/H mlg, that did a number on that plane... Damn !!! I'm wondering if there is a service bulletin or an AD note for the down-locks and/or actuators / linkage on the landing gears of the later/larger (Karl Malden) nosed, Cessna 310's... Personally, I much prefer the earlier short-nosed 310's... Simpler design, but with that no-nonsense engineering that was a trademark of the post war , lean budget business-oriented design influence that so many of the cars & trucks had back then... They just worked well, but without the ridiculous whistles & bells, that the later machines seem to have so many issues with.....

Mr 180 sure did work hard on provoking that rather elegant loop....

That sucks. My heart goes out to those guys.

If the winds were so squirrelly why was 180 using flaps.

Guy did a real nice job holding that 310 strait.

Y'all be safe out there.

Didn't see full up aileron on the upwind wing. Might have kept it down. 180's are beasts in xwinds. Somehow kept mine from swapping ends for several years. Sold it as my reaction time isn't getting any better with advancing years!

Nice instructional video of how NOT to execute a crosswind landing. Beautiful 180 though!

Good pilots. Both never stopped flying.

I was just outside Endeavor when the 310 happened. They told us all to go west and hold. I elected to land. Had a nice flight in the next morning. Glad nobody was hurt.

Hey Lepp Aviation, do you have an email address at which we could contact you regarding this video? We would be interested to discuss a license to use this video if this is generally possible? (i.e. via email) 🙂 Cheers, Felix

2022 was a terrible year for cross wind landings at AirVenture. The wind was dead out of the northwest, which made landing on either 36 or 27 very tricky. The wind on 36 tends to come across the surface of the runway creating uplift. You can see that clearly with the C-180 was right in his flair when it hit. If he applied power for a go around at that point the wings could've stalled and the outcome might have been much worse. All things considered, I thought the pilot did a good job to keep it on the wheels and prevented a prop strike.

Wow so much time to go around! haha May I feature this clip in an upcoming video? I'll be sure to provide a link for viewers to return to your video. Thanks!

I was there and was only a few hundred feet from where a Beechjet crashed. Dirt thrown up from that wreck hit me. (2010) 🙂

Not sure which day this was, but on Thursday there was a pretty stout crosswind from the west

I love how they have a tractor, just for sweeping the runway way after these incidents

Hey was Jimmy's world there to buy that 310?

is Wentworth aircraft there to make some deals

-- *_BUMMER!_*

left wing down, right rudder...skip the flaps

Dang... Anyone else notice how its been way too windy these last 20 years?.

"it's the most wonderful time of the yearrrrr"

what even happened with first one? seems like it was going slow but somehow kept getting lifted up, first tail then wing.. some gust of wind or what?

So is that a 10 mile long runway? It looked like the 180 used about 9.9 miles of it.

Hi , Is it Ok to use this clip in a compilation? Thanks!

Would you be okay with me featuring this in an episode of Weekly Dose of Aviation? Of course you will be credited both in the video and in the description.

can someone help me what happened to the first one? Why all of sudden he lost control?

That landing seemed to go on forever, timewise, that right there told me something wasn't right!

Just curious, windcheck? And runway heading?

Nice 👍

Strange! It seems like almost everyone in the comment section are just perfect people. A ground loop is a non-successful landing indeed, but I think one of the most dangerous things to do is to think "that's an idiot, that would never happen to me".

Looks to me like the 180 pilot didn't keep the crosswind correction in and the wing lifted because of it?

Problem was the 180 didn’t have any left aileron input for that crosswind!

The 180 should have gone around; the 310 obviously didnt have the side brace gear mod done, and should have. Two very expensive landings !

Oh wow

The 310R is an excellent rough field/crosswind aircraft if a person is familiar with those conditions. The gear may look a bit spindly but it's plenty strong as long as there's not a mechanical issue. That this one collapsed makes me think there was an existing problem. I've got hundreds of hours in this wonderful plane in African bush, usually well over gross and short, rough fields . . . all without the slightest issue. Watching this is painful. As for the taildragger . . . the pilot needs to be given a tricycle gear airplane.

Looks like 'ol Jimmy may end up with a 310 parts plane, there...

Two wins there as I see it !

That was a damn fine job in that 310. BRAVO 👍👍👍🇺🇲

Looks to me the 180 tipped due to little to no crosswind correction in the ailerons. You can see he's keeping it down just fine but then goes right aileron and it tips.

Seems like his airspeed was way too high or maybe the wind keeps gusting up higher speeds sometimes. Otherwise how come the 180 wouldn't land?

i’m the marshaller at 1:17 during the 310 incident. crazy experience.

4 incidents in 1 day ?! No way. What about the other 2 ?

Possibly lack of ailerons into the wind while on the ground... but it seemed to lift first on one side then the other, maybe surface wind sheer. Not an easy landing to make in that plane.

Surprised by the flames coming out of the wheel cowling during the "ground loop". What would be burning so quickly?

That 180 was crabbing into the wind, I got my license a year and a half ago (at 61), my instructor showed me how to crab, I taught myself how to slip into the wind, I prefer the slip, you are already lined up on the runway and don't have to change anything right before touchdown, one main, other main, nose, no problem. I would think it would be as easy with a tail dragger.

We’re the winds gusty? An awful lot of up and down going on for the 180 pilot.

The windsock is there for a reason, look at it and plan ur landing technique accordingly. Its always easier to explain why u went around than why u did not go around.

I feel for these pilots. Lots of folks watching and very easy to make some bad choices and not go around. Looks like the damage on the 180 was minimal. The 310 - what can say. It just sucks.

Both incidents were handled well by their respective pilots, that near ground loop was clearly a noninjury event, that wind sock was straight out from Port to starboard, hard to crab in with such a small plane, and the landing gear collapse was controlled very well AND he got it off the runway 😮

Well did that, 310, come out of the clear blue western skies ?

Seeing the 310 hit the ground hurts my soul so much. As a 310 driver myself, I love these airplanes. We take ours everywhere.

Hi there, amazing clip! May I feature this in one of my videos, of course you will be credited in the video and description.

so when you land at Air Venture on the day like this, if the Fisk controller assign you runway 36, can you request to land on runway 27 because it is tough for a light airplane to deal with 27 knots crosswind. I think the crosswind limit for a Cherokee is in the teen, not sure about the Cessna.

0:55... he finally remembered that he wanted to land.

@1:05 flag in background is flapping pretty good.

There were some there were some very strong cross winds the first two days

The 180 definitely had some cross wind, but the second he touched the runway he should've dumped the flaps and applied full left ailerons. Also a slip with the low wing facing into the cross wind, is usually beneficial.

taildragger weakness?

He actually applied pro aileron and caused the tip over. You can see the ailerons move the wrong way.

Yep I landed at 830 and took off to the club at 900.