Two-Piece 9mm Cases! Shell Shock Technologies 

You had me at "BBBRRRRRBBBBTTTTTTT".

Brass is expensive and heavy, but it obturates very well, and releases readily compared to steel or aluminum. This is why it is still used despite many attempts at other materials. Of course new alloys are being created all the time with different properties. I would be interested in how much blow by these cases produce compared to brass (of course a MP5, with it's fluted chamber, is not the best gun to test that particular metric). Regardless, it will be interesting to see how it shakes out. I am all for more loadings and cheeper ammo.

Great review man! Storked to see the longterm with these...

For reloaders, 9mm is effectively free and plentiful. It is hard to compete with free. In normal pressure ranges, 9mm brass effectively never wears out. IMO, this would only have merit if it enables the reloader to safely use higher pressure loadings than they otherwise ould. I think the same applies for commercial loaders. If underwood or similar can make hotter ammo than normal for a given pressure to the chamber, then this stuff is worthwhile. Otherwise it is a sunk cost with no tangeable benefit.

God, I can't wait for your new videos! They're awesome, keep up the great work and content! It's so awesome to see all this awesome stuff, especially coming from you. I understand why you love shooting stuff and especially, at things.

Free 9mm brass is too easy to find to make me want to buy this stuff, but I can't wait to see them make other calibers that are harder to find. Like 7.62x39, 300 blk, 10mm and even 357, 44 mag and 45 Colt. I bet 30 carbine, 7.62x54R, 303 Brit, 38 super and 357 sig will be popular with reloaders too.

nutnfancy's new favorite cases because of the weight savings ;)

You have such a great show I've enjoyed watching you these past 4 years

I met a fellow from that company at SHOT last year. The cases are cool idea. IIRC the case head and body are joined by there being a cylindrical shank at the base of the body that passes through the primer pocket of the case head. This shank is pressed over like a rivet and affixes the body and head. The center of said rivet constitutes the flash hole and is responsible for the flash hole being larger than average spec. Only time will tell if it is a good idea - it certainly has a lot of advantages going for it. Thanks for sharing !

That is one fine looking canine. He didn't actually move until you triggered him. If you watch his behavior he is scanning while you stroke his back but after you steady your hand he locks on to your target as you point. As you slide your steady hand from the top of his back to his side he engages the target.

Awesome, dies are a bit more expensive but 40 firings and magnetic pick up would be amazing! Hopefully they come out with more calibers :)

I took so many pictures of my male German Pinscher(Benny) when he was young that as soon as I pulled out the camera he would stop and pose. Once at a park an elderly couple were taking pictures of something and he walked into their shot, stopped and posed. Dogs are very smart.

Can you still use regular evil toxic primers?

Just found your channel after perusing your other vids, subbed!

Will they be making other calibers with shell shock????? It would be nice if they made cases for 5.56 and 223 ammo.

this is a really cool product you have a beautiful mal

if u take the bullet from the liberty civil defense 50g +p 9mm its possible to load a 9mm that is less then 100g in total weight of the whole bullet with these cases. primer + case + powder + bullet. now that is what i call amazing. not to mention u can make that original 2000 fps 9mm go faster bc the case will allow for it. if all this works it will change things thats for sure

Interesting product, I use a lot of 9mm and starting to do some reloading, however no range around here allows anything other then brass.

You should do some ballistics and barrier penetration tests on that L-Tech ammo. I would love to see it againsts some types of meats and some bone. I saw DocTacDad shoot it into some over recycled clear gel, not sure if that effects testing. I would really love ShootingTheBull410 to see how it does with organic ballistics gel from a short barrel pistol.

Very skeptical especially with all the glowing reviews, Guess We will have to wait a see. How do these rounds preform after longer term storage, will this cause separation? How well will they reload, or can they be? Brass still has many advantages.

I've heard good things (y)

You always bring us the coolest stuff! I can't wait until they do this with rifle ammo! If the military emnraces this, a lot of grunts will be very happy for the lighter packs ;)If this is advertized, this will become the new standard. I eagerly await the cheaper, lighter ammo.

I'll take brass because I can reload a 9mm case 5-10 times (before I lose them) with cheap $25 lee dies. Steel or aluminum cases tend to be hard on dies and I want nothing to do with cases that provide a weak spot for case head separation.

That is one beautiful dog bud.

Greenpeace's Go To ammo. When it`s time to do adirty job, but you want to go environmentally friendly. :)

I'm a reloader and you had me at magnetic! Lol

Heh. Video is 9:19. I see what you did there :) Watched twice, but maybe I missed it: why not just make it all from the stainless alloy? Seems it'd be easier to make and stronger.

correct me if im wrong but isnt brass cases expanding a griping the chamber walls functional so the bolt face isnt taking as hard of a hit. i believe thats why they say to makes sure theres no oil in your chamber. atleast in my revolvers id think slicker cases just means id need endplay shims sooner.

I would love to get my hands on a few of tho's to reload them. I would like to see just how long they will last..

I like the concept and idea behind them , the cost for 500 isn't bad at all but my problem is they want $100 for the reloading die set that only works with their cases and if I'm correct you have to buy that to reload

Will you try the 5.56 cases when available in Dec/Jan?

how did you get that mp5 i thought full autos were only allowed if they were manufactured before 1986

Are you going to do reviews on other calibers with this technology? Do they even make them?

Really interesting design. I like it but as others have mentioned, I'm curious to see how well it controls blow-by in a firearm with a fluted chamber. Is the aluminum case head just intended to reduce extractor wear?

this is a little off topic for this particular video but I was wondering if you've seen the new raven R9 crossbow and your thoughts on it and wondering if you will be doing a review of it at some point?

Cool video, interesting product. Cool dog too! Dogs are the best.

wandering what will happen if u load some 9mm major...

What is environmentally safe primers?? Does that mean they have a shelf life? No more stocking up on ammo?

I hope Shell Shock is thinking about expanding into other cases like .45, .223 and 7.62.

I like your dog!

What Breed / Mix is the dog? Adorable!

I wish they would make other caliber as well rather then just 9mm

So let's sum this up... - 50% lighter - 33% cheaper - More durable (can be reloaded more times than brass) - Somewhat magnetic (or at least magnetic ENOUGH) - Easier to load into mags due to less friction - Theoretically will have better reliability when being stripped from mags due to less friction - The way it acts in the chamber upon and after being fired also suggests improved reliability - Cool to the touch upon ejection - Can have differently coloured rims (possibly a better system than painting bullets of different types of ammo?) The only downsides I can possibly see from this is... - Chambers overheating more quickly due to the casing apparently not absorbing much heat (theoretically if brass retains heat, then that's heat that is taken OUT of the chamber, but then again theoretically if this NAS3 stuff doesn't absorb ammo, maybe it can prevent powder from cooking off in a hot chamber as quickly as brass?) - Rim becoming damaged more quickly due to being made of aluminium rather than brass? (I don't know if brass is more robust or if aluminium is, it is probably aluminium so this is probably a non-issue.) - Separation of the rim from the bottom of the casing due to wear/tear/abuse (not exactly an issue with civilians, but with the Military, Murphy's Law can be a fatal issue. If these casings can last being reloaded and fired over 30 times though, then it seems to me that it can survive whatever abuse you put through it before being fired once.) That's pretty much it. The only downsides I can think of are only theoretical, and we'll probably have to wait for Military testing to tell us what the downsides are to these casings (if any) when compared to brass. Personally, I think that either none of these negatives are issues, or if any are, they will be negligible at most. If it DOES cause overheating to the chamber slightly faster than when using brass casings, then the soldiers would likely be trained to keep the bolt open once the shooting is done, and to not leave a round chambered for a designated amount of time before you can allow the bolt to drop and chamber a cartridge. Which would you prefer? Being able to carry more ammunition and having more ammunition available for training (due to how cheap it is) but having to keep the chamber empty after the shooting is over, or sticking with brass casings which are heavier, more costly, but not as much of an issue to leave in an empty chamber? It seems pretty obvious to me. My prediction is after a few months and several thousand rounds of testing, as well as testing the average amount of fire needed to cook off a brass casing vs an NAS3 casing, Nato nations will begin changing from brass to this stuff. As for Russia or China, we'll see. But I think in 5 years time, in early 2022, it will be rare to see people using brass cased ammo. MAYBE rimfire .22 ammo will stick to brass, but that's about it. In 20 years time, 2037, using brass casings will be positively hipster, perhaps reserved primarily for Cowboy Action Shooting just to try and keep it accurate to the period they're replicating, and people will probably enjoy taking a shot and then immediately picking up the brass casing just to see if it's as hot as the stories say. I think that sums it up nicely. Cowboy Action Shooting and big fans of history who want to use brass ammo to replicate what civilian shooters and soldiers from decades and over a century ago used. For anyone who actually read all this, what do you think? Figure this stuff will just be a fad and will be rejected for Military use? If so, why? Going to be interesting though; imagine buying milsurp ammo in 20-40 years time and finding date stamps on the rims setting it to the late 2010s or early 2020s, saying to yourself "I remember when this stuff was just invented, and being experimented with by people on RU-vid. Some people thought it wouldn't go far, but here it is, in my hand, having sat in storage for so long, even through Korean War II, and now it's mine." Going to be something else though for how it'll affect ammo costs; to my knowledge, the brass casings have always been the most expensive part of a cartridge. With that expensive part now roughly 33% cheaper, who knows, maybe it'll knock down the price of a box of 50 pistol rounds by 20%. If it cost, say, $20 before (it's been quite a while since I bought ammo, can't remember the cost), now it'll be $16. Did it cost $150 to buy 500 rounds in bulk? Well now it's $120! That's only 24 cents per round! A Glock 19 with 15+1 has less than $4.00 worth of ammo in it!

You did tell us the pros of the steel case but negatives? Brass expands to seal the chamber. I can see residue on the outside of fired cases. Is the velocity reduced and is the chamber and action more dirty after firing?

After reviewing the slo-mo, the charging handle intermittently reciprocates. Is that expected?

Ounces equal pounds, pounds equal pain I like the idea of this ammo.

How about primer pocket expansion if it's too loose it affects reliability just asking

Can you use standard brass reloading equipment or do you need proprietary equipment for these cases?

I would like to see a fallow up video in a year on this

you didn't talk much about the benefits of the higher pressures achieved by this case makes +p+ much safer and in the future I think we will see a pistol rated for pressures higher than +p+

It 's good. and I want to using it with other size cartridges.

Gorgeous dog.

Wonder how it works in a bull-pub like the Bond arms pistol?

Will it corrode less than brass over time (aka long storage time)? sorry if you answered this already...I watched the video awhile back and forgot to ask this...

that's one smart dog.

very cool that would be awsum if thay came out in 308 win or 30-06 spring. 762×39 the weight saved would be a lot more plus reloading would save to. can thay ship to canada?

Great looking dog

Just seems complicated to me, I wonder how much wear on the chamber increases with this case?

Your soooo goofy man it's fucking hilarious big reason I watch your channel plus you're well educated Cheers mate!

Great dog.

Awesome, Awesome product. I'm sold and have been since I first heard about this not that long ago. All my 9mm carry guns have mags full of the shellshock + XTP combination from creedmore. I'm looking forward to seeing some .223 cases being released soon.

ill stick with brass until i cant find any more on the ground to reload

I think we are going to see a plus p plus plus type round. It will be the 9mm extreme but using a regular sized round. Now they will need a gun to fire it but someone will make it.

dam up to 40 reloads?!?!?!?! nice

Beautiful Dog.

You have a Beautiful dog. What type is he???

twang n bang may be some secret code between you and your dog something like “no bone next month”

Excellent shooting, wonderful grouping out of auto MP5? From your demo, your target grouping outperforms Kriss Vector. Californians need these kinds of 2A rights. I got hundreds of these 9mm shellshock case rounds and haven't been able to use it indoor range, because it's prohibited. Outdoor range, hard to find that's closeby at southern California.

I'm not sure what I want more - the ammo cases or the dog!

I would love to get into reloading for many reasons. Sadly, that requires space which I don't have.

10/10 doggo

I didn't even know there was aluminum casings :-)

Its cheaper to make for the bullet manufacturer but they wont pass that saving on to the consumer. They will undoubtedly charge more for these than brass.

Ok so it's 2020 now and just seeing this,,, anyone know what happened to the product?

Who makes toxic free primers? I'm assuming this means they don't contain lead or antimony. Also I think most stopped using mercury in primers a while ago.

Skeptical.... but I want to believe. I might try some, but I wont use them for self defense loads until time proves them reliable enough to bet my life on. Bah they don't have .45ACP yet.

So, when you load steel cased ammo into a magazine, the "STEEL GRINDS ON STEEL"? I can't tell by feel the difference between aluminum from brass or steel! And other than aluminum being more fragile and un-reloadable, now i have to buy all new reloading dies just for these casings, AND i also have to buy special primers? No thanks.

I like to spend as much as possible on ammo. Lol. These rounds are not for me. Im using steel cased ammo.

I wonder how it handles galvanic corrosion between case and mag, chamber, or breech face if you leave the gun loaded for a long time. proprietary dies? pass.

Only time will tell in the long run. I'd be worried about case head separation.

Ill be interested when they release 10mm

What a great looking Belgian.

Two years and running...... ...and they haven't replaced regular brass cases yet.

Get Bigger Better Magnet, and sling the cases to it from far away!

Half the weight of brass cases? nutnfancy will love this ammo! :)

Is there anything neutral between the aluminum and the steel? Those are dissimilar metals and because there’s one less covalent electron in the aluminum than carbon it causes ionization and rapid corrosion. We see this a lot in the auto industry

whetted all your beautiful ARs man.... I'm sad. you should do a build

Is your dog a Belgian malinois?

less weight, cheaper and stronger? Making a 5.56 case will surely catch the attention of the US military as well as civilians

Is that a jack Russell terrier

now we finally save the .45acp with +p+ the 45 deserves it and needs it .45acp at 1200fps would be life changing to me and all the other 1911 people/45 people that day is getting close WOW

A good solution if you can't buy a full line of machines for producing ammunition.

Stainless steel reacts with aluminum causing the aluminum to corrode in a relatively fast time frame. This is well-known basic chemistry! Creating popular in-demand ammo that is cheap and designed with a short shelf life seems suspicious. This company needs to explain to all of us how their special proprietary bonding technique works to prevent corrosion from quickly attacking the very point in the case wall where ordinary operating pressure would force a catastrophic case separation. Maybe this ammo should be called, “Time Bomb Ammo” if that company continues to refuse to show how they overcame basic chemistry.

OK 100 dollars vs 130 dollars for new cases and they have that cool look to them. What makes their dies so special for 99 dollars.

Wtf are toxic primers ? I only know of corrosive primers, and you can't buy those anyways. They're in some older surplus military ammo.

They cannot be wet tumbled. I tried and they got all fucked up.

Seems doable.

Shellshock are a PIA to reload with conventional dies....It can be done.

make a new channel the twang and bang dog channel please

There it is......special reloading dies.....pass. I understand the need for them, but I'm not buying more dies just for certain cases