This one's been a long time coming: 2 piece vise for the milling machine and CNC router! You'll never believe how many pieces!! (two) If you're into vises, check out Mr. Pete's builds: / mrpete222
This ol tony. I can’t thank you enough for your videos. 25 years ago or so, My step dad ( God rest his soul) for years tried to teach me this trade as he was a professional welder and machinist for over 40 years. Yet I was such a stubborn shithead of a teen I refused to listen. I missed out on so much knowledge from the decades of experience he had because of my poor attitude. Now, that I have 4 kids of my own and a successful business, I find myself paying out the ears to fabricate parts and prototypes . I am finally doing a lot of my own and fixing things that break around the house . Finding your channel is helping fill the gap of knowledge and tricks of the trade I missed out on so many years ago. Thank you for that and your sharing of your knowledge. I truly appreciate it. Hope you and your family have a wonderful and successful 2020 ! Happy New Years ! -New Loyal Subscriber
How does a man seduce 44,000 people to watch a 22 minute video about a couple hunks of metal? ToT has that special touch. Amazing. Always makes me happy when I watch your videos.
I think we all learn not to drink anything while watching ToT that way. (It was Pepsi on my keyboard for me - months and a few cleanings ago, but my shift key still occasionally sticks)
For those wondering why he puts the part diagonally instead of parallel to the back rail, it's for heat reduction. Less time for the wheel to "dwell" on the part means more air over it instead. Lets heat escape. Flood cooling in conjunction makes for a virtually cool part after grinding unless you're really hogging down.
Personally I do this because I can never get (read: am too lazy to get) the part perfectly straight, so all the grinder marks end up sightly wonky and it looks less then great. Doing it like this makes it look like I *chose* to have wonky grinder marks...
Thanks for the enlightenment, Billy C! I had never thought about there being any changes from the heat, but it makes sense. Now when I use my ancient Butterfly surface grinder, I'll try the misaligned "wonky" method and see if it keeps the work, more acurate.
Additional to cooling the part, it also make for a shorter distance to move the table in some context. Though cooling the part is probably more important.
TV and Netflix are off in the bin, ‘This Old Tonys’ RU-vid channel is the way forward, please never ever ever stop recording these videos. Keep up the good work. Absolutely awesome. Thanks.
After a very frustrating day at work, nothing like getting home, sitting down on the couch and having the missus hand me an ice cold glass of This Old Tony to make my cares just melt away.
As a beginning Toolmaker, its great to hear someone actually go into the finer details about the entire process instead of doing a time lapse with a cool music track, this helps out a lot of kids starting the trade, thank you for this.
I was expecting him to show cutting the "precision ground round" and have it showing ... well, ... ground round ... on the end ... Maybe the same gag, twice, in a row would have made it go from "gag" to "groaner." Don't need that surprise in the shop.
Better, worse... In this case, same thing. I mean that. I love this channel. But it hurts my soul... To no surprise, I could describe my wife's humor in the same terms.
I just about fell over when you came back with powdered sugar on your fingers 🤣🤣🤣 your humor has a direct line to my funny bone! I truly love watching your videos and as an added bonus I get to learn something in between the long pause breaks due to a need of recomposing myself from laughing so damn hard.
I never get tired of the modesty, the down-to-earthness, and the humor, for me TOT just puts a smile on my face every time. This video in particular, this is such a breath of fresh air, I hate putting a giant vice on a mill just to hold a 6" piece of metal. I could never understand why that is such a typical setup.
Remember, mortal: everything is made of rubber. There is a caveat associated with two piece vises: the table becomes the vise frame - part of the restraint force loop. Tighten the vise, the back jaw block and the fixed jaw tend to spread from the clamping force. This clamping force being above the table's neutral axis imparts a bending force to the table. The table, hunky as it is, is still elastic: it will deflect some small amount in response to the clamping force applied by the two piece vise. Short parts, negligible problem but remember proportion. The longer the span, the greater the deflection in response to a given load (quantify by applying the relevant statics equations.) Long parts, if tightly clamped in a two piece vise, may deflect (rainbow) the table enough for it to become stiff in its operation. The deflection takes up the working clearance in the dovetails. The result of this deflection is end bearing between the table and table ways on the saddle. Operation in this mode leads to scrubbing, lube film failure, localized wear, and eventually, galling. Not a good thing. Just sayin', a two piece vise is a very handy work holder (for vise-type parts too long for the go-to vise) but it has this one limitation. Use it when you have to but when you do, grip longer work gently.
Easily solved, you just bolt another milling table onto the top of the vise before clamping to center and share the load. ...huh? What do you mean you wanted to actually machine that piece of stock underneath there...? Jeez, some folks you just can't please...
@@KnowledgePerformance7 Sorry, I'm late to respond. I did watch the vid to the end. While Tony's excellent video covered all the bases including the "...potential to screw up your table..." he, glossed over the means by which the table could be "screwed up." Which I tried to remedy in far too many words.
Dear This Old Tony, having watched with enthusiasm since the first Vid you are unique, your combination of good humour and (dare I say) technical brilliance makes every Dear Old Tony Vid an unmissable event. Thank you so much for sharing your remarkable world with us. David
I love surface grinders! Bringing back good memories of hammering out hundreds of parts with 5 tenths of a thousandths of parallel on a big ancient Blanchard grinder.
Yay, new video! CARP! I knew who I was watching, and yet I foolishly decided to drink coffee at the same time. The mag-chuck song means I need a new cup of joe. And some paper towels.
I'm finally a bit smarter in my old age and try to wait until after the video to have my espresso. One of his Very Best including the donut dust on his fingers.
Very nicely done! I'll be interested to see how cuts with it come out. Often vices are made from ductile cast iron because it has vibration dampening properties which can yield better surface finish. Look forward to seeing how this works!
@@DrewLSsix Yep the little nodule of carbon in cast iron help the sliding action. It's cheap, so the parts can be cast pretty beefy, which give it rigidity and stability (temperature, vibration)
I am NOT a metal head; I watch these videos strictly for the comedic entertainment value...and, along the way, I actually learn a thing or three. Love yer vids, ToT!
If I had you as a teacher in highschool, I may have actually gone into metalworking instead of IT. I think I can say for most of us, keep up the good work and man you're just awesome This Old Tony.
I'm glad he wasn't my teacher in high school. He would've been a baby, well technically a junior high schooler. So yeah a baby. My millwright Grandpa and pre WW2 toolmaker Grandpa would never let live it down if I was learning from a baby. Plus I don't speak baby.
In case someone thinks it's not real: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeroth_law_of_thermodynamics It's basically "If A=C and B=C then A=B" but with temperatures.
Of course its real. Did y'all miss WHY he said it? the two pairs of sides are the two systems to be in equilibrium, using the vice as the 3rd system. If both sides of your part are square to the grinding vise, they are square to each other.
yea yea "4 ft of snow" walking to the mill lol ----- i had to walk also in winter, 4 ft of snow, but NO shoes, NO socks, the milling cutters were so cold they were undersized for first 30 mins of milling. i can bet you are one of the "posh" kids in town :)) AAND i had to use one of nokias 6110 models to call someone at that time. ( dark ages, i can tell you that ) .... Well done, :) nice video, appreciate the work you put into your channel
Michael Schnock We were so poor we had to turn the mill spindle by hand as we couldn't afford electricity - man i used to hate those 1/8 cutters - ever tried to turn a mill spindle at 1200rpm by hand ?
ian bertenshaw Yep , i can imagine .- its like fire drilling wthhout a bow . But at least you had warm hands :) while i was almost frozen to the ground AND to the mill handles :(. Lol ..
My Tasmanian friend has a massive vice on his Bridgeport. Its almost 10" wide. It's so heavy that even two of us can only just shift it. We use a chain hoist; plus an insert between the jaws to demount this monster. The previous owner had to give it up; because it was too massive to lift under the British health and safety regulations.
This was such an informative video. It was also more entertaining than a Canadian cutting open a box as fast as he can with a miniature chainsaw. That's a compliment btw, to you and the Canadian.😊
Another knock out, Tony. You've thoroughly secured your spot in after dinner TV. My son has gone from watching this channel as a mesmerized toddler to asking questions at every turn and laughing at all the shenanigans. Also, your mag chuck man, I've been eyeing those things on ebay lately.
Awesome project!! I would think you may need a small hardened surface for the clamping screw to engage; a pressed in broken end mill or something. Thanks for the great content as always
If you want to keep your boss busy for a while just introduce him to Tony and Uncle Bumblefuck. When you hear the ambulance you'll know he used the hydraulic vise.
With the increasing popularity of these videos, I wonder if Tony has time or care to read or even browse through all the comments?. I feel like we are watching a new filmmaking "all-time-great" personality. Tony's handling of semiotics, editing, writing, acting, and comedic tenor are without equal. I have searched the youtube far and wide and not found anything quite similar.
Steve Summers well fancy meeting you here Steve. I’d love to see you make one of these. Show old Tony that you don’t need special effects to get it done lol.
Gah! It's Steve!!! My dream RU-vid video would be you, ToT, and Abom collaborating on a project. Or just sitting together having a few beers, telling stories.
It’s always a pleasure to see a TOT video in the queue. On another note, today I will be going to look at an old atlas 10f to buy as my first machine/shop toy. Thanks Tony for being an inspiration to me and a thousands others.
2:03 "Unless you read the title to this video you're never gonna guess what my solution to this problem is." You underestimate my forgetfullness, since i already don't know the title of the vid anymore while being only 2 mins into it.
I honestly have watched every video and I'm still in awe that you come up with new material whilst working with old materials that are often newer than your gag material. Just just a material girl in a material world aren't you.
tony knocks it out of the park again. ive had hf mini mill, l made, cut up, drilled, 2 piece vice from cheap flat hf vice. l love it thanks to tony. And now red mini laith owner too.
There's nothing better than seeing a kid in the shop. It should be mandatory when growing up. Even if you don't have a shop...kids should tinker, build things and become familiar with tools.
>>> That was simply awesome. A 22 minute video has convinced me that with a little effort I too could become a machinist. I reckon 20 years or so should suffice. Too bad I’m starting at 74.
This channel is single handedly responsible for spending my entire bonus from work this year on a precision matthews milling machine. This Old Tony you owe me $2500 bucks. DM me, we'll work something out.
I'm afraid there's no escaping the reality of it all. The sheer quality of appreciation you receive from your fans in the comments is literally unmatched in the internet world. And frankly, I second, third, and fourth all of their sentiments. Never stop making these glorious works of art.
Tony, I gave you a thumbs up for your sense of humor alone. Great idea and you made it as enjoyable watch as it was instructional. Keep doing what you're doing the way you're doing it. Sincerely, an old knife maker looking for ideas to steal. (Speaking of "steele"... welcome to America Alec).
Just the video I was waiting for. I've been wanting to build one of these for use on my cnc router. Not just because you can hold large work but also because of the lower profile. Great video as always! Thanks Tony!
In my day we had to hold the raw stock by hand and we were happy for it. It was a great step up from putting the stock down and spinning the end mill by hand. You youngsters are going soft.
@@olivialambert4124 Hey "Olivia," while I got you here, can you tell me how you choose which profile pictures to steal? Specifically, how did you decide on this one? instagram.com/p/cje8o2nZhY/ I'm genuinely curious.
A two piece vise was the second thing I ever made on my first mill which was a small grisly with zilch vertical clearance. 7 inches of Z from the spindle to the table before putting a tool in. Those were the days. The one I built used two long piece of all thread on each side for the clamping so none of the force went through the table. I still use it on the bridgeport for holding odd over-sized parts.
