Love how you explained this. Thank you for being so respectful. Coloured South African here who also identifies as black. BTW we don't all speak Afrikaans but had to learn it in school. In Durban most coloured people speak English and many can speak Zulu.
Correct in Durban some coloureds speaks well Zulu that you won’t even know they are coloured until they say so. Outside of South Africa the term coloured is insulting but in South Africa it is not and that OK. Tyla just have to tread carefully so that she doesn’t upset the black community or the coloured community because she is benefiting from the black culture and music.
EXACTLY, DARKSKIN BROWN PEOPLE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT LIGHTSKIN OR GOLD PEOPLE WOULD RECEIVE NOTHING. THATS WHY ITS IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHO YOU ARE GOLD PEOPLE. ERV IS CORRECT, WHEN THINGS LIKE THAT HAPPEN, DARK SKIN BROWN PEOPLE AND WHITE PEOPLE COME TOGETHER AND MAKE SURE THAT LIGHT SKIN OR GOLD PEOPLE ARE NOT..."SCENE"💯💯💯💯💯SMDH
We coloured people are coloured people regardless. We cannot be offered money to change who we are. We cannot be bought out of our identity. Besides, we are not American. Why would we need to be paid reparations when it is something that the descendants of slaves in America are owed?
African American must formalize their preconditions of entering their music market because the whole issue of denouncing your ethnic identity first before they accept and market your music took all of us in Africa and our girl Tyla by surprise. We did not think it goes so deep. We did not know that it is divided into black and white music, a form of musical culture Apartheid in so-called free nations of AMERICA- USA. It very clear their so-called freedom is still a myth. In our case as Africans, we value and unite as AFRICANS more than our different ethnic considerations. That is why we are shocked by some of this African American 's attitude towards suppose fellow AFRICANS. Our hope is fading into a mirage.
I Guess the school system failed you guys. Don't speak for all of Africa. Don't tell me you don't know about Marcus Garvey, Malcolm and Luther King, does Rodney king rings a bell? Closer to home have you heared of apartheid and how white folks managed to tell kids they are not Zulu for instance, but colored because one of the parent is of Indian or European descent. Unity in diversity I am all down for that, but knowledge comes first. One cannot go to the Us with that word and expect a hero's welcome. Something is telling me if you niece was to go around the house saying am colored all day long you would act. Won't you ?
Thank you for breaking it down so well and so respectfully. I agree its not right for others to expect Tyla to identify as something else. I would feel offended if she denied us as a people. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Bantu people are all over Africa, spread from west, east, central to southern Africa.Their languages are related.One may find similar words in different languages. I am a Namibian from Owambo tribes. I can understand some words from Tanzania, Sudan, DRC, Uganda, CIR,Kenya and even as far as Cameroon and from many other countries. Eg the word Buttocks in my language we say " Omatako" others only mis " O" and say Matako or something like that.A cattle we say " Ongobe" or Ongombe in other Oshiwambo languages. In Tanzania they say Ngombe.So Bantus languages/ people came from one roots and spread out somewhere.
People weren't upset that she identify as colored, they were upset cuz she used that word in america without understanding the difference historical context of it in america, she didn't do the minimal research and also she was being promoted as black going to black spaces and collecting all rewards then suddenly claim she not black, why didnt she go to Indian Americans places she part indian Desi
Tyla looks like my daughter, my daughter is black American on both sides. I think tyla should promote herself on mix platforms not black platforms in America then . We built our own lane here in America for black people
We live in a capitalist world and her record label will promote her wherever the money is 🤷🏾♂️ I do agree with your strong support of Black Americans creating and sustaining our own lanes though. Thank you.
Our bros & sis are our cousins and from day one, they had our support, no cap. When AA artists visit & SA, they are treated as family. From Sam Cooke and Ella Fitzgerald to Normani and Chris Brown, we've been on your side, by purchasing and smuggling(during Apartheid, AA content was banned). It is sad to see our cousins being oblivious of plight of the child left in Afrika. We were angered too when MLK's walk was cut short, we were just as infuriated when the Tulsa massacre occurred in fear of Black excellence, we drew similarities on Jim Crow and Apartheid and tge links that ties them. There is no deeper disappointment bigger than your cuz not knowing who you are, and even worse claim that you are taking advantage of the AA entertainment culture. Thus, it is important to clarify this: Fact: Trevor Noah is Coloured, his identity document reads as such, there is nothing to discuss, change or alter, but accept. Fact: Tyla Seethal is Coloured, her identity document reads as such, there is nothing to discuss, change or alter, but accept. Fact: Trevor Noah was invited to do American tours and Tv, because he already had a global following, even Jon Stewart said he had to wait for Trevor to complete his world tour. Fact: Tyla's song "Water", was released 5 years after her hit single "Getting Late". Tyla also had amassed a large following with her sister on tik-tok, which gave her the experience to be used later in marketing "Water" by introducing a viral dance associated with the song. When Epic signed her she already had a music contract with FAX, which was bought off, because of the 'global' following she had. And, Tyla is an Amapiano artist based in the US. Her music uses elements from the Amapiano and Kwaito genres, which are South African. She sings her songs in the globally palatable language of English, not Afrikaans or Zulu. Tyla is not taking advantage of AA culture, she is introducing her South African culture to the global audience which includes AA cousins. So it would be impossible for her team to prepare statements for every country she tours or visits because of a race she belongs to. We in Afrika when Alicia Keys, Mariah Carey or Chris brown come to perform, don't ask if they are AA, Black or African. We don't ask a 'Creole' AA artist why they consider themselves 'Black', when they have a French Caucasian and African American parents' dna splitt in the middle. So we Africans(some), will dance to Chris Brown's "Hmmm" song without any judgement from Naija on why he sang in Nigerian local dialect on a South African developed Amapiano beat, nor will he get judgement from Yanos on why he sang on a South African beat, using a nigerian dialect used in Afrobeats and as further featuring Davido, no...Will not do such. In this divide and conquer world we live in, lets band together a sons and daughters of mama Alkebulan.
Saying she is black American, your daughter that is doesn’t really tell us much because the US upholds the one drop rule so anyone can be bkack in the eyes of the US. Even Mariah Carey was said to be black. And the whole “we built our own” is quite interesting given that your artists travel world wide and don’t receive such scrutiny about their identity nor are they subjected to having to continuously explain themselves. What then are you actually saying?
@@seektruth5750 we did build our own black platforms, I just told you my daughter is a black American on both sides meaning I’m black and her mother is black, we don’t recognize slave master blood here in America. Mariah Carey father is a full black American and her mother is white so she’s half black, As a black American I respect South Africa because we have Common history but here in America the word colored is a slur. It’s nothing against the colored SA community that’s just the truth.
@@seektruth5750 most people look like what they are let's not play this dumb game now please!!! The average person of mixed race does not look like alek wek!! Or Donald trump!!
She needs to leave black people alone and go make her money from promoting her fellow coloured people's culture and music. This is not about race its about exploitation.
@TeeSpells No we won't stop. The so called Black culture has taken a lot from African culture, commercialised itself and almost has a monopoly on global entertainment yet, you want the world to remain uninfluenced by it??? The writers and producers of that "culture" are not even as Black as you might like to believe so, get off this racialisation of art nonsense.
This is the best explanation on this issue. The Tyla situation really exposed Black Americans ignorence of racal classifications in other countries. This should have been a learning point for AA, but no! they just lost their mind over the term colouerd but some how have more than embraced the N-word.
Why do you think when she performed at the BET awards? No one stood up for her or clap their hands.🥴, the only learning lesson would be for Third World immigrants like yourself Africans in particular who think they can pull them into black Americans country and dictate how you want to be called and seen as it does not and has never worked that way y’all in for a very rude awakening
Exactly, how is she denying something that she is not ? It’s cringey to see mainly black American women force this in her as if they want to see themselves through her and her saying she is not black, somehow says there is something wrong with them. It’s a deeper insecurity about themselves that they should work on and it has nothing to do with Tyla.
Really, FBA's insecure? Oh my, no wonder the Dutch is still running rough shot in S.A. We are anything but insecure. Her handler's all sudden decided to bring her to that states and push her on us.... sorry, she will NEVER gain traction or become popular here. The days of the cute, racially ambiguous female with no talent are over. She is the "dollar store" version of Aaliyah.
I have to confess that I just recently learned of the people of Madagascar. Many of those people look similar to many “blasian” people (such as my children) because of historic migrations. As Americans, along with most other peoples, our views on race are very shallow.
@skyking3210 Yes, they also have Asian and South Asian, and the native Amerindian. But, all the African and their descents, they put them in the same bag, black. Like I said, there is no country called " black". They don't even have carribean which I am. They could have create a category name: African, African descent, and Caribbean. European, and European descent. That would make sense. But calling themselves, all the European and their descent " white" and calling African and their descents black, is pure racist. Why African and African descent even accept that? I don't and I am a out to go on TikTok to wake people up to start creating awareness so African and their descents can stop accepting to he called Black. What pissed me off, is the fact that African Americans people embrace this black name, and even start saying black is beautiful. They are trying to shade some light on the word black, but it is not working, because the word black is already attached to some psychological cue. When people hear the word black, their brain automatically link this word to negativity: dirty, ugly, scary, fear and more. How can African Americans believe they can change this. Instead, they should stand all together to refuse to be categorized as black.
@@jaredmackey4511 so Black Americans are shallow for conforming to White America’s views on race? As if we had a choice. Place the blame squarely where it belongs. South Africa had apartheid until 1994. They aren’t the racial utopia they claim to be. They abolished their racist laws AFTER the US, yet Black Africans are majority in THEIR home continent. Where is this African supremacy coming from? Did y’all ENDORSE apartheid or want to end it? You see how we’re in the same boat???
IT'S ALL GOOD WITH ME I'M BLACK I'M NOT A AFRICAN I'M NOT AFRICAN-AMERICAN I'M AN AMERICAN IF ANYTHING I'M AN INDIGENOUS TO THIS LAND ........... PEACE AND HAVE A GOOD DAY
I love how white people created these artifical terms in both countries, defined it for both groups and then left them to deal with an identity crisis. In America they grouped everyone under the same banner of blackness for ease of management even if youre genotypically more white than black where one of your parents is white and the other is black. In South Africa the whites disagregated the blacks by saying that those who were not completely black could not therefore be classified as black. I think the South African whites in their racism were more practical than the American whites. (Why should i be completely black when one of my parents is white and the other is black).(Practically i should stand an equal chance of being called black as much as as im called white) and that was the rational of the South African racists. Coloured in South Africa is also culural as much as it is an inherint genetic identity of biracial people. The seclusion of this biracial group enabled almost 200 years of genetic repetion of this biracial group thereby creating a completey new group of people both genetically and culturally. Black American history and the history of the term must be understood and respected in the same vein Black Americans must educate themselves about the use of this term outside the US. No one particular group of people must subject and impose their history on another. (Its a form of cultural imperialism). The only tradgedy here is that in both instances the term coloured is a product of racism. The racists however could not have predicted that in the one context this classification would develop into a unique and beautiful race of people who correctly embrace their once devisive classification. Yes Tyla is a coloured person in South Africa and yes she should be clasified as black in America. (This is a great case study for Masters and PHD students). Sociology, Anthropology and Political Science students should take it on.😊😊😊
😂 you make racism sound like a bad marriage versus a half as decent one that's why we get so offended and feel some type of way because it's not something you can just be little or small time the hatred that these folks over here have as far beyond any love you think you can give or ever receive at the end of the day Americans are very egotistical and arrogant we love to flaunt the fact that we do better than the next and that part of it has nothing to do with race it's just the way we are but when you mix things like race into it it becomes a bigger problem where is over there you are happy to call him boss because you're looking at him as the supplier of your resources
The last part you wrote is wrong. Tyla cannot be classified as black in America because she lacks the black cultural experience of black people in America. In the same way that a coloured person from South Africa cannot be considered "Pardo" when in Brazil because they too my be mixed like the Pardos but they also lack that cultural experience. That brings me to the misconception that a mixed looking American will be considered coloured in South Africa. That too is wrong. A mixed or light skinned black American may be mistaken for being coloured when in South Africa, but as soon as soon as the American accent is heard we will know where we stand. Coloured people are mixed and mostly light skinned, but being mixed and light skinned doesn't automatically equal being coloured. There is more to being coloured than just being mixed or mostly light skinned.
@@elroyswarts2337 But the black experience is not exclusive to America, we have it right here as a continent of 1,4 billion people and I think you miss the crucial message of that last point which is to say that if African Americans use their own context to identify her as black when she is in the US, then they are more than justified in doing so.
@@luthovellem865 First of all, what context are you referring to because she lacks the cultural experience to be black in America? Secondly, no. Being black isn't the same everywhere. That is why it is asinine for someone like Trevor Noah who grew up in black South African culture to think that he will just fit into black American culture because it is also black culture when it is not even the same thing. Black people don't even all believe the same thing nor do they worship the same or live the same way. Yes all people who were subjugated and exploited by white supremacy in one way or the other share a common experience, but that is about as far as it goes, and it isn't exclusive to black people. What justification is there for insisting that someone else from a completely different country who grew up in a completely different culture and is of a completely different race group is exactly like you when even the people who are the same race as you yet grew up in a different country and in a different culture are not exactly like you?
As a south african i agree that we have the coloured race.But when it comes to Tyla identifying as coloured in the USA and people having to accept is weird and wrong,she can teach americans of the race and categorization but they don't have to change their ideologies just to include her if i may say.Denying her of an identity is wrong but asking people to accept a new thing just for her is not right.
We're not denying her anything. But here in America black people build our own platforms and we support black people. We don't have no problem with sa or sa mix people but here in America if u want the black community to support you, you gotta be black because nobody supports us but us
@@olumawos let the Indian community support her or the mix community. Because we can't do it . Nobody will use the black American community anymore we're sick of it
Calling someone a sell out because they have a different background ànd are called a sensitivite term in ur frame of reference is unfair. If she claimed to be black Coloured people who are still marginalised would have felt betrayed by her. So infact she did not want to do what yall accussing her off. Why does people identity trigger black so much. Tyla did not create these terms . Give her a break . She is damned if she do and damned if she dont. @@olumawos
@@MarthlynKleinsmidtwell go back to South Africa we black Americans work hard for our culture she has to understand the African Americans struggle we are not mixed due to the raping of our ancestors
As an FBA, some of the comments here.... yikes, no wonder S.A. is in its current mess. Tyla is nothing more than an industry plant. She can't sing, does not write her own, nor does her choreography. This mixed Indian South African came out of nowhere. She will never be popular here is the U.S.
I don't think that Tyla is denying her blackness. She just acknowledges all parts of herself. There's nothing wrong with that. The problem for me is the word colored/coloured. In America that word (however it's spelled) is a racial slur. It was put out the racial dialect, in America, some time ago because of negative connotations that came along with it. If you were colored/coloured in America, that meant that you could be raped and nothing done about it- if your purpertrator was white. Loved ones could be murdered and nothing would be done about it. If someone wanted land or property of yours, they could destroy your family and simply run you off, with no reprecussions. That's what being colored/coloured got Black Americans and that's why we put down the word and will not pick it back up. For Africans, if you like the word, you'll get no arguments from us, but we're done with it. Peace and love to all Africans.
Yes - And that is why she said that in America she understands that she will be called black - This was 7 months ago already and then she was attacked for saying she thinks she is black. NO - She did not say that she is black - She said that she understands that in America you will call her black and she accepts that. Her words are being twisted and nobody fact checks her statements.
@@icilmaa She never once asked Americans to call her coloured - Quite the contrary, she accepts being called black in America. But understand why people will call her coloured in the comment section.
You explained it very well. It's based on multi generational mix of races. It's not anti Black because the black mix is also included. Americans took it the wrong way.
I think all of the South Africans have now subscribed 🙂. And to add, if people come to South Africa, we would never expect anyone to change their identity for us. We accept you as you are. Just be a good human. MOST important.
In American society, black is defined by Europeans definition of who qualifies to be a US citizen in the 1790 nationalization Act. And the term free white persons of European descent. Anybody else Is deemed negro and subject to enslavement. And the term negro was defined by all Ancient Berbers and did not apply to free Africans/egyptians/moors. But did apply to Negro Asiatics and of Native American mixed race of a certain color to be determined. These terms were not forged in stupidity but targeted. The mixed definitions defined by governments were not stupidity but also targeted as these definitions have not remained the same over time and society.
You didn't gatekeep the Jews who have collected the lions share of the revenue from black music for the last 60 years. It's funny whenever a black person tries to participate in the music industry, all of a sudden everyone is a gatekeeper. A complete JOKE.
@RushayBooysen no but it comes from Black African music just like Reggae music. Afro-Cuban jazz. Afro puerto rican jazz. Afrotuns Heavy metal Country Rocken Roll all that came from Black African music dropping the microphone Blummp .
Who gave you that name, was it not the colonisers ? Who gave them the authority to tell others who they are? They called us that in Britain too and we weren't having it.
Thank you for identifying with us Anton, this is your Xhosa brother from Eastern Cape, you've earned my respect and I've subscribed. God bless my brother.
*I get it, she's not "Black" as in how we Black Americans view Black, but she gets in hot water because she goes on all the "black shows" . She needs to understand what she is stepping into when she comes to the US. No different if we were to go to South Africa, we would need to understand the racial constrict*
5:07 wrong the most mixed people in the world are the caribbeans. Jamaicans, barbadoes, guyana, trinidad etc. they have white, asian, indian, hispanic, black, etc.
I feel people who are half black are pressured to pick their black side. If I ever have biracial kids, I'm not going to pressure them to choose. I'm going to let that be their chose. Pretty interesting your part Japanese's. It's rare for African Americans to have any Japanese in them or any other Asian. I think it'll change as time go on.
Your kids in America will either have the choice of biracial or Black even if they look like Megan Markle. They better look like Earth's Kitt's dghtr if they want to try and pass. And colored is considered derogatory in the US. But it seems like they had to make some other group of BP accept and adopt it.
There are plenty of Blk people with Asian ancestry. Celebrities: Tiger Woods, the Rock, Heinz Ward, Tatyana Ali, Naomi Osaka. I have family members that are also mixed w Asian. And BP who have Native American heritage that's is technically Asian too.
When a person shows you who they are, believe them. Tyla doesn't want to align herself with our struggles. Your skin folks ain't always your kin folks.
🌺👑Tyla is a gorgeous South African therefore, she should identify according to her societal norms. The rest of us just have to accept and respect her culture and ways of handling this racial/cultural situation. I am African-American.🌞🌸🌸🌸🌸
As a black american. We need to learn to pick our battles. Let people identify as whatever they want to identify as. It's all just made up identifying terms anyway. *Shrugs*
Jesse the 3rd, african american is made up as well , but for the sake of social identity we have new geographic terms i think african americans haven't realized that Colourds is the equivalent of Pardo and Moreno which both are the equivalent of Creole.not sure what is difficult to understand. its the same flavor. One eat gumbo, the other eats acaraje and another one would eat Braa and Chakalaka. I mean i love food but i am a thin dude. African americans always lose their minds when someone is both continental african and mixed. but when i tell african americans that they are just africans ,its "Oh noooo. that is a bridge too far .. "
African Americans have ancestors from Africa!! Indigenous blacks are native to America Indian blood is in there body💯 in USA 🇺🇸 THE WORD BLACK IS A LEGAL STATUS IN THE 60S AND 50S WE WAS CALLED COLORED FOLKS IN NORTH CAROLINA
When you walk around the streets of Africa.. All you see is a massive, beautiful, and lovely black people going about their daily business with beautiful smiles in the faces... Then you will be very proud to be black 🎉.. No mixed up..
Walter Sisulu, a giant of our struggle and the most senior Robben-Islander next to Mandela, was, like Trevor Noah, half-Xhosa and half-white. They were raised by their Xhosa mothers and the extended families as Xhosas. Why do people think that African-Americans who also have mixed heritages of varying degrees would be considered "Coloured" in SA? Many "black" SA's are quite light-skinned and scores of Coloured people are literally pitch-black. Black SA's are also mixed with lighter-skinned Khoisan people and Coloured people have quite significant West, Central and East African genes owing to slavery. The American scholar George Fredrickson in his classic works points out that The Castle of Good Hope was built mainly by slaves from West Africa (ca.1658-1674). They even outnumbered the colonists for a while.
Tyla is probably 25% African. That should be enough of an answer of whether she's Black or not. Let her be, There is more than enough black cultures to relate to: Caribbean Black, Latino Black, Mainland Africa and Black Americans etc. Why force and bully people into being Black? The support will never be genuine. Why would anyone want to settle for that? 😅😅
She's more 25% 😂. But we don't care... Tell her .. go on mix platforms next time she's in America because the black community will not support her no more that's over .
But that's the thing, why are black americans always trying to see themselves, relate to, identify with people who have NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU besides sharing the same skin tone and sometimes, hair type. You don't see any other culture trying to identify or see themselves in another just cause they have the same skin tone or a similar feature. It's WEIRD! Why don't you guys try to see yourselves in other black people from YOUR culture. Black people who are truly proud of being black would never. At this point, Its apparent that it makes you guys feel better about your blackness or a it makes you guys feel a little more exotic when you identify with dark people from other cultures. Be proud of who you are without having to see and live vicariously through people who have nothing to do with you. Love yourself, forreal not for fake.
"Me don't dip on nobody's side. Me don't dip on the black man's side, not the white man's side. Me dip on God's side, the one who create me and cause me to come from black and white" - Bob Marley
People get confused over simple things because of terminology. In America, the one drop rule makes you Black whether you are mixed or not. In Southern Africa, mixed people were classified as Coloureds, a separate group from Blacks (Bantus). Tyla comes from the Coloured community. I am glad she straightened this out. If Southern Africa was colonized by Americans maybe they would everyone as Black (mixed or not) according to the one drop rule, but this part was colonized by the British and Dutch who had a different system altogether. Tyla is intelligent and educated, she is not confused by terms like most people.
The thing is, it seems that no one wants to identify as "black" until they get their "N-word" wakeup calls. If they're dark skinned and in African, they're categorized as "black" by the rest of the world, whether the "Coloureds" like it or not. Back in the day, America had its own share of mixed-race individuals that were classified differently than black Americans. But like it or not, most of them today are considered to be black Americans.
Neanderthals were a different species of human, not a different race of human. As a biologist, I will absolutely tell you that race is a biological construct. How else would you be able to tell someone's race by doing genetic testing?
Initially coloureds were created because the Boere got lonely. The reason for the separate classification was this: Down the line a child pops out and he looks like Happy Sindane, mostly white. Now what can be done... are you going to treat a 95% white individual like the rest of the blacks? Other whites would feel torn on the subject some would say that it was fine others would not and this would disrupt the balance endangering our continued survival. Okay let's say you reintroduce this individual into white society and he ends up having a black child with a white woman now what? Now won't those people demand equality with whites? Because they were born to "white parents", how would you be able to tell them apart if they looked like ordinary blacks aside from having white parents? You can't. So to avoid such problems the colored class was created to AVOID such problems. Remember that in the 1600's onward until probably the 1900s people knew only a lil about the genetics of animals and plants but as far as race was concerned it was a mystery as people didn't mix with other races in those days. So to avoid this problem the "coloured" race category was created. Fun fact: You might be able to get away from telling the story of the coloureds by failing to mention the blacks but the story of whites and coloureds is sooo intertwined which is why the majority share the same language and culture as the early white settlers. It is more fair to say that coloureds are far more WHITE than they are Black if we want to use Black or White mentality excuse the pun.
Because she’s using black, American musical, and cultural aesthetics, literally her whole marketing team is mimicking off black Americans. She even said this herself that’s what makes it weird
Tyla is a SOUTH AFRICAN ARTIST doing SOUTH AFRICAN MUSIC. Everything about her, from her mannerisms, to her look, to her accent, to her dance style is AUTHENTICALLY SOUTH AFRICAN. People have been singing and dancing and making music since the beginning of time. Black Americans DID NOT INVENT singing or dancing or music. What exactly about her music or her mannerisms or her dancing or her look or her accent is copied from black Americans? What the hell are you talking about? Next you'll claim that black Americans invented walking and that everyone else in the world who are walking are just copying black Americans. You really need to get over yourselves. Everything IS NOT ABOUT YOU. Stop trying to dictate other people's cultures. Other people's cultures have literally nothing to do with you. Another thing I notice is that whenever you want to bash Africa or African people or African culture you label yourselves "black Americans." The rest of the time you are just "African Americans." So while you accuse people like Tyla of "distancing herself from blackness" why are you only African when convenient? Why do you distance yourselves from Africaness? If you are really African, why do you accuse your fellow Africans of copying you? If not, why do you call yourself what you are not? Why do you use our name to label yourselves? Isn't that also appropriation?
@@elroyswarts2337Exactly, fix the issues in the community before worrying about the lady’s race and ethnicity. Her race has nothing to do with you old farts.
No one asked her to embrace being a black American while in America. All we wanted as black Americans was clarity on what tf being coloured meant. She and her team felt like it was unnecessary to explain that to us , for whatever reason I don't know but either way that's all it was . If she wants to be marketable to blacks then she should learn our history also. That's all our arguments were about. But for South Africans to gaslight black Americans by telling us to shut up and stop crying about the word "coloured" is as white washed as it gets! Imo
I hear you, but she's a musician, not a history teacher or anthropologist. We put WAY too much responsibility on musicians to be educators, and that's not their job. Americans need to become better educated on ethnicity and culture in different parts of the world.
@@AntonsClass😎 My Dude, REAL ARTiST are History Teachers, Politicians, and Anthropologist, when you are an international artist of color and you are trying to crack the American market, which is the biggest iN the world because of American Black People, then you better be ready to be as responsible, respectable and relatable to Black People, and Black Culture iF you want those Black Dollars. Nobody is asking her to give up her culture, Black People just want authentic unapologetic, embrace of BLACKNESS, JUST ASK SADE.😏 HELL EVEN ASK BOY GEORGE and he's a White British Queer Artist.😆
@@mykdebradley3586 My brother, we all know modern celebrities aren't necessarily "real artists," otherwise I would agree. So unfortunately no, it's not their responsibility to be our teachers. That's what we get for putting pop stars on pedestals, instead of actual teachers. The girl is 21 years old, for goodness sake. Let's let her make pop hits and TikTok dances and leave the teaching to teachers. She has already managed to break into the American market, and now Americans will learn the simple fact that mixed people in South Africa are called Coloured and not Black.
. iN America , Black is not a color, Black is an attitude, that one drop rule unifies all Black AMERiCANS and Black People iN the DiASPORA. Look at the division iN South Africa right now with their elections, Black AMERiCANS understand South AFRiCAN culture better than you think, after all we fought, protested, and boycotted against Apartheid iN the 70's & 80's, we gave Nelson Mandela a ticker tape parade iN NYC after HiS prison release iN the 90's ( I was there), we embraced Trevor Noah into American Culture as a Black Man hosting the Daily Show, not because he was South AFRiCAN. And Why do we have Art Galleries and Museums, a long with music videos, Digital music platforms, and teach Art and Culture iN Universities? Art iZ Communication, Artists have a responsibility since the beginning of ART, especially since young people spend more time with them metaphorically than they do with their parents and teachers, but we demand so little of our ARTiST today, and there goes our WORLD 🌍.😐
You're exhibiting the same ignorance you're trying to educate Tyla on. Both black Americans and South Africans have a responsibility to educate themselves about the use and history of the term or terms in other places in the world. You're just a product of cultural imperialism which makes you reason only with the American condition and history. I really can't blame you too much about that , it's conditioning but you must educate yourself about South African history and South Africans who have NO knowledge of the terrible history of racism in America must do the same.
You’re so right!! The racial class is different in SA. When me & my husband went before we got on the plane here in ATL, a South African told us we were coloured! We were blown away but when we went to Constitution Hill in Joburg we learned a lot. When I googled the term, “coloured” it was quickly educated bc I am too mixed with African & European ancestry. Thanks for breaking this down and I love your “click” sound when you said Xhosa👍🏽 I love South Africa!🇿🇦
ANTON, DO YOU KNOW WHAT COLORED OR COLOURED MEANS? IT MEANS THAT YOU ALMOST WAS "BLANCO (WHITE)" OR "BLANK", BUT THEN YOU WERE "COLORED IN WITH SOMESORT OF COLORING VIVID TONE." THE COLOR COULD BE ANY TONE, EXCEPT.....BLANCO OR WHITE.💯💯💯💯💯
@AntonsClass, your explanation is naive and uninformed. Indigenous South Africans who existed for tens of thousands of years were suddenly classified as colored in 1950. The concept of race existed in the minds of the people who invented the term "colored". The term "colored" was introduced to classify certain groups of people, and it was used by the racist white apartheid government of South Africa in 1950 to categorize mixed or light-skinned non-mixed blacks. This was a deliberate move aimed at population control. Before 1950, individuals falling into this category would have been referred to as black. So, the word "colored" was invented out of race. This is nothing other than mental slavery.
If she had explained it in her interview on Breakfast Club, I dont think anyone would have an issue. Instead she took this teachable moment and turned it into an awkward moment. I dont blame her, she's only 21. I do however point the finger at her PR person(s). Having said that, it's not so much that I personally think she's denying Blackness (others do), after all we were called colored too once. I just think it's kinda crass to be still calling yourself what the colonizer labelled you as. It would be the same to me if she had come here and called herself a negro.
We South Africans have already explained it over and over and over again for months. At some point when a question keeps being asked over and over again after it has already been answered over and over again it becomes just a stupid question. Obviously that question wasn't meant to get Tyla to explain anything as much as it was meant to get her to say something so that her words can be twisted so that those who already hate her for simply existing and daring to not not one drop rule herself out of existence could have a brand new reason to hate her.
@@elroyswarts2337 Over and over again? When? What other examples are there? Most Black Americans only know the term "Colored" from our own history. When, who, and how did we hear about y'all over and over again? Tylas PR and agents are trying to sell us your artist and we really aint feelin it. We have our Tyla's. We not looking for imports of what we already got.
@@elroyswarts2337 We not FEELIN Tyla stop trynta make her relevant to us. Most Black Americans only know the word "Colored" from our own history. If she's too afraid to explain it to us from her culture than we not trynta support her. She's here in OUR faces after all.
@@cryp4life509 I can appreciate and respect your honesty. Finally. At least be open and honest about your hate so we know where we stand. Just don't pretend to like Tyla just so y'all can set her up for more stupid questions. No one is trying to make Tyla relevant to you. Stop over estimating your own importance. Oh, and you should expect to get the same treatment when you visit South Africa. We just won't be feeling you. Not anymore . Also, maybe stopreferring to us as "the motherland." We are not feeling you. Also, we already fought against and defeated white supremacy in our country. You'll have to deal with yours on your own. We are just not feeling you. Sorry.
2:23 RACE DOES NOT EXACTLY EXIST, HOWEVER...."COLOR OR COLOUR RACE DOES. DARKSKIN BROWN PEOPLE ARE NOT THE SAME AS LIGHTSKIN GOLD PEOPLE, LIKE YOU ANTON
Tyla ain’t international 😂 performing in Paris and London, a.k.a. Third World immigrant hubs were Africans fleeting does not translate into international popstar
We can identify someone's ancestry, but that doesn't mean there are different and distinct races. We are all members of the human race. We are a species, and fully modern humans are also a race.
You're young. The term was used in places of work. All managerial and supervisor posts in the country were given to coloured people while executive management and directorship was only reserved for whites. Black people only provided labour. The Amper bass term comes from black people in identifying the fact that they were always supervised by coloured people even though the owner/director of the company would be was white so they referred to them as "nearly boss" since the "boss" was always white. This is for the same reason people to this day that work in your garden or provide labour on site refer to their bosses "mlungu" meaning white person even if they are black just to indicate that that's their boss. So if you're a boss, you're a white.
Exactly. That's the first time I heard that too. Trevor Noah just made it up. Funny how people can just be allowed to say things that are not true and get away with it.
@@elroyswarts2337 It's ignorance and lack of information and so people say things because they know that the average mind is completely aloof and disengaged.
No! It’s just from Our experience we do not put Wyte folk on a pedestal! Y’all carry on trying to assimilate! They told yall what they think oh you! But carry on!😎
Hold up. Am i tripping? There most definitely different races. Yes we are humans but there are different types. Just as there are bears but different types. Polar bear, brown bear, black bear etc. Now these differences shouldn't be a reason to discriminate but they literally exist.
Biologically there are no "races." There aren't enough genetic differences for us to be classified as different races, and the lines between the "races" are not well defined. For example, there are different races of Canada geese because there is enough genetic variability between races, or subspecies of Canada geese. However, humans are all one species AND one race - homosapiens sapiens.
@@AntonsClass I understand the sentiment. But Your speaking in terms of us not having noticeable differences. I don't understand that because I can clearly tell the difference between a person from China and a person from Sudan and Switzerland. These 3 homosapiens are differences that must be acknowledged. Because it's clearly seen. Maybe the terms aren't being understood within context. Because at this point it's like it's purposely ignoring phenotype differences for a kumbaya moment. That's like saying fish are just fish. Clearly they are but we classify them by their differences. Differences in what? Appearance mainly because they all have fins and swim. I'm a coder so I pay attention to the details. I'm not racist
@@zatronbuck8633 I never said or implied that there are no noticable differences. No two human beings are exactly alike. Even identical twins exhibit some differences. These differences represent different populations and adaptations to climate, food, etc, but they don't constitute different and distinct races. Modern anthropology rejects race in favor of ethnicity or "clines."
african americans conflate the two all the time. I am an african guy , bon in the continent .Because i am biracial . african americans think me saying i am african is a "flex" lol" . i speak 3 traditional african languages. we good over here
sir/mam.The zulu,ndebele,xhosa and swati are descendents of the Bantu tribe who were from west africa and migrated south when there was a small population in southern africa.All these tribes settled in different lands and then divided in clans that had surnames and clan names.
@@AntonsClass The Origin of Bantu is from Nigeria West Africa then to Cameroon then to Central, East, Southern Africa. Google Who are the Original ancestors of the Bantu?
@@olumawos that's the mainstream theory. I used to believe that too; however, recently discoveries have made that theory less likely. The oldest human remains discovered in a cave in West Africa were not related to modern West Africans or Bantu people. Bantu people likely came up the Nile river from North Africa.
Anton makes some valid points but I also think he needs to sit back and be educated too. The problem is the blacks are saying you can’t have it both ways. I love Tyla music but the problem with her comment will disturb sone blk people because her style her voice, looks and her music is black. Due to our past and current struggles we see it as a problem PERIOD. At the end of the day We are all too caught up on the ideology of whyte supremacy. Great topic though 👍🏾
@@AntonsClass no sir that is what brings confusion but due to colonialism most of us are mixed with something but it depends on the situation 🤷🏾♂️🙅🏾♂️. Btw, I was expecting you to say that 🤣
@@Erv704 everyone on earth is "mixed" one way or another. But when we say mixed, we're basically referring to a person who phenotypically exhibits traits from different ancestry. I hear you though, brother! Thanks for engaging here. 🙏🏾💯
