Tyranid Theories Deep Dive, Warhammer 40K  

let's not get carried away xD

i found that to be odd placement.

@@ElectricalExistence He knows what he was doing.

Yea I was like: “🙂”

This is why i favour the Intelligent Designer theory for the Tyranids. And the only other entity we know of who has the proven means to accomplish this is the Old Ones. The question for me is what would be the Old Ones motive? A clean slate to start life again? Or maybe just permanent Universal Annihilation (at least of the physical/material universe, as the Tyranids are ‘designed” to only consume physical matter) leaving only immaterial existence; that which the Old Ones are said to originate from.

@@tormunnvii3317 A clean slate would wipe the warp clean, the chaos gods themselves and their legions of demons would die out, starved of the souls and psychic energy of the mortal races that they need to feed on just to exist.

Yep. Think he thought he could get it going again as a habital planet in a few hundred years.

Yeah, tyranids feed off the surface only, much of the deeper planet, as long as there's water of any amount, can support life despite a tyranid invasion

the beings he showed when talking about the old ones are not the old ones. those are the Slann, beings created by the old ones that still exist and are the only race left that still carry out the will of the old ones. but the Slann are few, they are the frog guys, they have skin priests who attend them and the seraphon race as their warrior cast. the Slann are very psychically powerful. the seraphon are born in mass hatchings, their traits are directly affected by the environment around them, those that are born among the stars are somewhat aetheric in nature, while those born on planets are very much solid physical beings. the Slann themselves have not had a birthing spawn from their spawning pools in millions of years i believe, there were 5 spawning events, maybe it was 7, for their cast, only a few are still living from the first spawning.

@@malcire what book?

@@asaenvolk Probably the forges of Mars but I'm not sure

It is risky using poisons against the Tyranids. After the first use the Tyranids will have adapted and become immune. Even worse, the Tyranids could develop the ability to synthesize and use the poison themselves.

@@complex314i Oh no!!!!

​@@complex314iyeah they even adapted to Nurgle blessings.

Who paid you to Shill raid?

The tau developed an effective bio weapon to destroy tyranid.

They are the God of Chaos, having organized plans kinda runs counter to their very nature. They needed to corrupt the Astartes Legions to have any kind of functional organization in the Material. Chaos Undivided tries, but ultimately is attacked by the others. Chaos fights Itself, more than anything else.

The chaos gods threaten their own food supply and therefore existence who the hell are they to speculate on the material universe

@@Eddardstark9308 there are entire world dedicated to Khorne, He Knows that He needs a constant supply of humans. The rest of the Chaos Gods have their own Chaos worlds dedicated to each of them, and they have "stable" populations; it's just the horror of the existence those people's lives are. The true horror of the Chaos Gods, is that if their worshippers spread far enough into the Materium, they might allow the Chaos Gods to fully manefest in the Real. Chaos could "win" 40K, because they would keep multiple billions of Hell-Worlds to keep the human population stable. Exterminautus becomes "good" by comparison.

在影际星和混沌打过，混沌被打败了。

Maybe the just come to galaxies to consume life but leave just enough behind so that they can come feed again

Belisarius Cawl book

Also krakens on frenris

Everyone is missing a serious point of lore. The Silent King returns to our galaxy. Yes we can all see "it's said" he ran across them. I don't see him returning for the current sized threat. I believe the current White Dwarf gives the reason. A new vast Tyranid moon sized ship. I can see him finding a fleet of billion's of these ship. My view is that such ships holds a hive mind on board. Let it sink in for a moment. We are being told a new ship has arrived,and we don't know it's purpose. If however it is a hive mind ship. The Silent King running across vast numbers make returning a solid reason. The Silent King could have continued to a new galaxy. Then populated it from his dynasty. No he probably flew through a couple of galaxies getting devoured. Decided to turn around to save his people. Turning to "locking them up" it will not work. Why the beacon built by Tiamat. Now as far as beating them. 1) Eldar an Tau become rapid strike forces using the webway portal's 2) use imperial navy to push fleets to Ork world's. 3) rebuild space Marines to pre-crusade size all primaries 4) crush the idea of invention is heresy idea. 5)create better arms,armor for astra militarum. Time is a must in this war. Every inch of space has to be fought for in every engagement. That means going to the Necrons,and asking for their star killer to be used. Only on stars lost to a hive fleet. If it gets desperate enough.

@@billyclark4564 TL;DR Bro

You may be onto something

Oooooo I like this! 😮😃🫡

Wake the Emporer up early and the Hivemind breaks free from his control?

But what purpose would that serve for emps? And why give them such an alien appearance? Like when the emperor created the primarcs sure some were different colors but they can all more or less be recognized as humans. Same for the astarties and thunder warriors. Plus the emperors was very humanity first so using tyranids wouldn’t accomplish his goals unless it was somehow to maybe calm the warp down from the mass death of galactic life. But that probably wouldn’t because the warp isn’t just limited to the galaxy but the universe at large.

Would depend on harvesting and supplying the resources neccesary to spawn orks would be a net gain in biomass or not kind of like a farmer growing crops and cattle. Given that the orks grow like an invasive weed and essentially feed themselves via growing squigs and fungus, it might be possible.

@@Arthion Well in their ships they would have to supply everything. Thats my point, there is a fixed number of Atoms on the ship. Why create something out of it that has the potential to damage everything and go rogue?

I mean the trick would be to harvest/cull them regularly to keep them under control. Not like they're hard to maintain since they thrive even in the worst environments.@@snakehead214

Ya just waste their time with mechs till they send out alot more tyrinids, then just nuke it from orbit. Only way to be sure

Couldn’t they just evolve carapaces laced with inorganic materials so the virus would just splat on the metal or whatever?

Iirc the imperium is too afarid that the nids would adapt around it or even end up knowing how to create it themself.

@Sephlock The only way I see that working is if they figure out how to turn a rock into a mobile weapon. Even if they could get this to work for a larger bio form, they are still screwed just due to the fact that the majority of the swarms bio forms are on the micro level. The spores that are injected into the planets biome are one of their main weapons, for example.

@snakehead214 they can't adapt if that tendril are all dead. Does the info go to the hivemind instantly like that? I know hivemind can look thru its nids but For some reason I figured there would be some kind of delay on adapting. I'm probably way wrong

Yes, I heard something like it, about corrupted genestealers and even separated from hive mind fleets.

I want a nurgle hive fleet

​@@Stonehorn You want death!

⁠@@Stonehornif ur interested in a book with nurgle infected tyranids, read “ragnars claw” by william king, great book

It’s only been mentioned once or twice.

I mean, Nurgles forces still have biomatter (outside of demons). And the Nids strip minerals. From my understanding, necrons aren't worth fighting. Because while they may gain minerals from the planets (and even from the necrons) no biomass means they still lose out on the primary resource. Same with demons. Tyranids may get a planet worth of resources, but they can't eat the warp stuff that demons are usually made of (though some like Vashtorr specifically use mortals to form themselves; would that still be usable biomass?). But yeah, Necrons and never born are usually not worth fighting in that it’s not going to give them more biomass.

Can't tell if this guy has glimpsed a cosmic truth, or needs to change the batteries in his carbon monoxide detector

​@@emmadebeer8134hahahaha 😂 i know what you mean, 🤣

Yeah I think he’s just spit balling here, he didn’t even mention their super weapons or just the gauss flayer by itself, not mentioning necrons are durable and necrodermis is strong as shi, how are they going to “eat metal” legit it’s not bio mass 💀

@g1g4_ch4d7 nids do take in some minerals, but that is on point. Currently, if they fight necrons or chaos, then they lose out on biomass

Probably because of the nature of the warp and its association with sentient souls. It does stand to reason that creatures with souls from other galaxies would have a similar relationship with the warp though.

I’m not sure this video, were meant to be logical analysed. Since there’s several breakes in logic, but that could be the fault of Games Workshop.

He's saying we haven't gotten canon stories in other galaxies, so to us and the factions in the series, we have no idea. The warp could be far weaker in other galaxies, like it was in the Milky Way before Chaos really got it's foothold. So the One Mind Syndicate assummption, is that the warp powers are weak in a galaxy unless it has a triggering event.

@@kyleellis1825 I can see a galaxy where beings like the Tau are the norm, or at least got a foothold before the others, where the warp would still be super calm. Wow, can you imagine the chaos (heh) the shadow in the warp could cause if they only ever had to deal with a calm warp for their warp travel?

@@Sephlock Exactly. Which could provide support for the whole "Tyranids already ate the other galaxies" theory. But essentially, we know the warp was weaker before a triggering event. So logicc dictates it is the same in every galaxy. At least that's OMS' logic.

Allowing the Tyrants to consume the energy of the Immaterium is just broken.

I view the "No other galaxy has access to the warp" theory slightly differently. I view "the warp" as an extension of the Milk Way Galaxy. So saying the warp isn't in other galaxies is like saying the Milky way isn't in other galaxies. Other galaxies have their own stars, their own space empires, their own warp, and their own chaos gods. Their warp is as connected to our warp as their galaxy is connected to our galaxy. Tyranids evolved alongside their own extra dimensional warp. But it's somewhat different, like going from freshwater to saltwater. So there's still that period of adaptation that's needed.

There has been cases when they left life on the planet in forms microbes in water or extremely deep caves

If the imperium stumbles across the STC the yes.

Yes, the necrons where their own race and evolved alone, the Old Ones had to create multiple warrior races just to have a chance and still got curb stomped

Necrons??

As a genestealer cult fan I dig the harvester theory.

The C’tan??

No

That said, cultivating Orks would be a much better idea in the long run anyway, so that theory is actually sound imo

Which is why it makes no sense, man’s is just spit balling

It probably exists everywhere but deep space lacks emotional beings … we would need the point of view of other galaxies and their species to see if the warp would be like ours is … before the eldar the warp was quite calm.

Turning the biomass of countless worlds into shake and bake troops is a way to annihilate necrons… if that’s what they were Made for.

Yes the silent king is trying to reunite the Necron dynasties to combat the tyranids.

My personal theory is that the Necrons will try to save the galaxy. Like a final insult to the old ones. They will be superior to them in every way, even as the savior of the galaxy.

Shadow of the Warp is something they recently developed. 1) The Warp/Immaterium is a fairly recent something, and while many know how this came into this reality. 2) It is unknown if this is the only Galaxy that has the Warp manifested: "Uu-Maans" simply are too stupid to figure out whether it is or is not so. 3) That they have been around, yes, Kraken and other similar beings (like you said) are thought to be Tyranid, but this has NEVER been confirmed.

The Tyranid do have "cannibalism", as a "natural form of evolution": The strongest forms survive, and are build further upon, while the weaker become bio-soup again, to be reused in new forms. It's a living, fighting bio-evolution-laboratorium.

Tyranid need no tools or technology, they ARE technology. BIO-Technology. One that is continuously upgraded.

Indeed, as I said: The weaker become bio-soup, and reused in new forms. The stronger live, up to the point, that they do not anymore, and thus become, indeed so, bio-soup.

The FoF-Theory is flawed. The Tyranid is the "Apex Predator". I mean, and I now speak "for the sake of the WH40K Universe": An even bigger, or other equally big power set lose in the universe, yeah, brilliant. Let's toss it all in the garbage bin, shall we?

I've long thought about whether genestealers could somehow infiltrate ork society, or if they are just too different in terms of reproduction.

There are canonical ork genestealler hybrids. Despite them being rare usually (orks tend to kill unorky orks).