U-He Repro 5 vs Prophet 5

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U-he Repro 5 vs Prophet 5 rev 3.3.
Low keyboard is Repro 5. Higher is P5. They are sounding pretty damn close. It is really matter of if you're synth nerd or not :) Other way there is no reason for spending so much money for real thing. You must just love it like I do.
Differences are in details. It is not about more low end or anything like that. Resonance filter is sounding different. Repro 5 pulse oscillator is sounding like in new Prophet 5. In my Prophet 5 pulse osc didn't sound like pulse anymore. Osc B detuning sounding more aggressive. Also Prophet 5 has something more 3d in it. But Repro 5 is a genius VST. Sometimes I like sound from Repro 5 more as from Prophet. I really wish Urs Heckmann would like to make Jupiter 6, 8, Arp 2600, CS-80, RSF Kobol or any other analog synth which is very high priced or rare.
I using Repro 5 on my album - "Der Weg" where Tangerine Dream meets Boards of Canada:
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At beginning 2019 will be my new album available where I played only Prophet 5 and Minimoog Model D. Just two great synths.

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@UrsHeckmannBerlin 5 лет назад

Hehe, thank you! After all those years, each Prophet is calibrated slightly differently. There's always a little bit ore cutoff here, a little less detune there. But the basic character stays the same :-)

@TheMrFinalizer 5 лет назад

Thanks to you too. I really love all stuff from U-He. First was Diva in 2012 :) Please make more dedicated plugins for synth :) Its was my first comparison face to face and I was really shocked how close they are.

@robertsyrett1992 5 лет назад

I was about to make the same point. There is actually a pretty huge variation in Prophets both because of individual calibration or even production runs used different components. The Repro 5 definitely captures the character, after that it's up to the artists to draw out the nuances they are looking for. Edit: Ok, I didn't notice you were the U-He guy! LOL. Much respect.

@UrsHeckmannBerlin 5 лет назад

@@robertsyrett1992 That's particularly true as we've had a Rev 3.0 for reference which still used lots of parts of the 2.0, e.g. the power supply. I think the power rails may even be at a different voltage. I don't recall if it was during a meeting with Dave Smith or in the Abernathy book, but apparently they used surplus stock of parts in new products whenever they could make them fit.

@robertsyrett1992 5 лет назад

@@UrsHeckmannBerlin I don't know why but I find these kind of details really interesting. It helps me remember that every synthesizer is imperfect, impermanent, and incomplete but for those very reasons unique and perhaps even beautiful. I'm really curious to see how the story of the current wave of synths will be told 30 years from now. Will the minilogue or microbrute have the same appeal that the Juno-106 or MS-20 has now? Will the Makenoise QMMG have the same lore regarding it's revisions? Will Clavia ever bring back the Nord Modular with the same attention to detail that Moog has replicated the Model D?

@ВладимирХ-д2ы 4 года назад

Please make a Virus Ti killer, or something like Waldorf Kyra, i know you can!

@lundsweden 2 года назад

I always add a bit of saturation or overdrive to VSTs. It definately can be the "missing link" to the analog sound.

@downcode 2 года назад

Not so easy unfortunately...

@oziaso9655 Год назад

that and some low end boost ....you can noticeably hear the difference with vst

@manny_f 2 года назад

2:20 When you reilase you just wasted four grand.

@SlikkTim Месяц назад

it's the nose pinch and hands on knees combo for me, like, "well..."

@RayAndre 2 года назад

Nothing that a lil' bit of saturation can't fix to get closer to the original thing... thanks for this!

@user-lc1sz3ij4j Год назад

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@Pintosonic 4 года назад

It’s a good thing that there are good VSTs out there for most classic synths because they were made in the 70s and the 80s and not only their prices are going up but the cost of keeping them in good working order will rise exponentially as they are all way past their useful life expectancy. A lot of them contain integrated circuits that have been discontinued for decades and old stocks are running out quickly. So just for an historical perspective, it’s cool that we have access to those VSTs as one day only museums and really rich peoples will be able to keep them working.

@SPAZZOID100 4 года назад

My p5 from 1981 works perfectly.

@tyler_ 3 года назад

I'm a year late, but great comment. Spot on.

@PedroMiguel-if3ll 2 года назад

I hope your prophecy doesn't become true !

@klaasj7808 2 года назад

stock are running out quickly, most ic's were obsolete in 1984 when dsp kicked in. i fucking hate dsp to my bone.

@tyromelive2851 3 года назад

Reading all those comments is actually funny. Imagine that digital was first and that we created “analog” afterwards... Everybody would probably say .. “Nooo computer version sounds better” I the 80’s when you put “digital” on a product it was a selling strategy. It’s like watching technicolor movies, my kids are saying it looks like sh*t , but I like it.... 🤷‍♂️

@TheMrFinalizer 3 года назад

Good comments. Thanks! But the word "digital" is back because of Elektron stuff. So, I think we all like digital now :) But really good point. I really love Repro5. It depends, but sometimes I'm starting with Repro5 instead of switching on real Prophet5, because I know, that they are sound almost same. But, if you need real I call that "harmonics"/detunes from analog it is good to turn on P5.

@tyromelive2851 3 года назад

@@TheMrFinalizer Thanks! Well I have a big analog synth collection and to be honest , some sounds have more balls in digital... Just take the OPX Pro plugin, this is the best digital emulation of the oberheim OBX . Appart from the sample and hold ... it beats my hardware OBX every time... now that said ... the hardware is much more fun and gets things done quicker. It al depends... What’s also important is your soundcard ! If your soundcard is not on the Black Lion Mod list , you have a good one 🤣. And then there is the whole platform of transmission... in the 80’s: analog desk, analog compressor, analog eq , tape back to the board again , to tape , mastering again to tape and tube eq’s ... and then to vinyl.... yeah , the sound was “warm and big” . Solution: buy vinyl ...🤷‍♂️ The norm today is earplugs and mp3/streaming, I doubt someone will hear the difference. Long live analog!!

@PRODUCEDBYLILDOUG 4 года назад

Could you do one on the Arturia Prophet V vs Prophet 5? How do you feel about the Repro 5 vs Prophet V

@wiredbassclarinet 3 года назад

Repro is better, imo Edit: I think there is some good stuff in the arturia v collection. I don't think their prophet is one of them.

@pcuimac 5 лет назад

The filter of the simulation seems to be a tick more open than the "real" thing. More high metalic frequencies seem to come thru.

@DubElementMusic 2 года назад

but the setting is anyway not 100% the same, so whats the point?

@rnedp760 3 года назад

Late to this party, but with the release of the Rev 4 I stumbled on this - it's funny but every time I was watching I was drawn to the P5 but when I was only listening I was drawn to the Repro. I think there's a strong influence of the nostalgia and beauty that influences the ears. Great job, thanks.

@downcode 2 года назад

The VST (as usual) has more high end, which can easily fool a listener into thinking it sounds better. It sounds more flat & lifeless compared to the real thing. VSTs also have a hard time in the higher registers - it's clearly heard at 5:40 & 8:04. Hardware has more depth & emotion (at least to me, maybe not to newer generations). Repro is one of the best soft synths, don't get me wrong :) Thanks for the demo

@bigjayrillah3508 3 месяца назад

I did the comparison at home and it's not even close. Maybe its RU-vid fidelity.

@kostyakonstantinoff 8 месяцев назад

I've found that while many Vst emulations sound incredibly close to the original, almost all of them lack sub frequencies. Listen carefully to the analogue and digital synthesizer. In analog synths, the low end is incredibly smooth, but in digital it's kind of muddy, even if you compensate for it with an EQ. All of the above does not mean that RePro is a bad synthesizer. On the contrary, it is one of the best vst synth I have heard.

@DubElementMusic 3 месяца назад

ok.... agree

@LASERLine.Brasil 5 лет назад

Thanks for the great comparison! Still some differences in favor of the real analog, but lets face it... the fact is that the hardware epoch is coming to an end.

@TheMrFinalizer 5 лет назад

Thanks!

@braien25980 5 лет назад

Nop Hardware is growing !

@bonchbonch 4 года назад

The hands-on experience will always be an advantage, but the gap in sonic quality is closing, which is good for everybody.

@christophertodman8254 4 года назад

To say that the end listener won't know or care kind of defeats the purpose of any minute differences that may occur between the hardware and software, but it's true. i was using hardware, then software, then hardware but the best software sounds so good...this however, is one of the best - top three.

@vincewizz8534 4 года назад

The Hidden Agenda yes, hardware is basically inspiring. BUT... vintage hardware brings tons of issues and trouble which totally destroy inspiration in my case. Plus most vintage keyboards have poor key beds with usually no velocity nor aftertouch which is frustrating.

@DubElementMusic 3 месяца назад

Leute, ihr vergleicht hier absolute Nuancen. Dass DER EINE Prophet 5 nicht gleich klingt wie der Repro, sollte klar sein. Jeder voll analoge Synth klingt etwas anders. Ich persönlich sehe das tatsächlich einfach von einem rein esoterischen Standpunkt aus. Ich will analoge Hardware, weil ich leben in meinem Sound will, ich will diese analoge Zufälligkeit und kein determinierter digitaler Algorithmus. Auf jeden Fall würde keiner hier den Unterschied zwischen einem P5 und dem Repro in einem Mix erkennen, da würde ich viel Geld darauf verwetten. Aber ich muss auch sagen, die einzigen VST`s die mich klanglich bis jetzt jeh überzeugt haben, sind die von U-he. Aber ich werde mir demnächst einen sequential REV2 kaufen, und keinesfalls einen Prophet5, es gibt heutzutage unglaublich viele, geile, genau so gut (wenn nicht genau so) klingende Hardware Synth`s für wenig Geld. Diese Ramantisierung von alten Geräten stammt vielleicht von denen, die so eines haben und ihr Glück damit rechtfertigen.

@RayyMusik 3 года назад

I don‘t buy Sequential stuff because of their quality issues - but I fell in love with the P5 sound again. So I played around a bit with the Arturia P5. It sounds nice - too nice, like most Arturia VST synths. They lack the grit and bottom end of the originals. Solution: - a 21st century hardware synth, the Arturia PolyBrute, which sounds awesome in its own right - plus the Repro for genuine P5 sound. As others mentioned, there aren‘t two P5s with 100% identical sound anyway. BTW, this saved me ca. 1000 €! :)

@oziaso9655 Год назад

definitely a low end difference ...the hardware has more bass but mids and highs are identical

@alainthiry3965 Год назад

do you connect audio of prophet to input of your sound module? if no you add a conversion in the computer/plugin circuitry and this has a sound that dis dependant of the dac you use...

@MetaIsland Месяц назад

Who can hear the difference once in a mix, mastered with fx etc...? Good job U-HE

@TheMrFinalizer Месяц назад

Difference in the mix is very hearable. It is not true that is the same in the mix. Im working a lot with hardware and software and it is up what patch are you using. Hardware are really better on the basses for example.

@Horizontedesucesos_ Год назад

wow, amazing what U-he achieved

@JoeDillingham 5 лет назад

Awesome. Once you tweaked the settings at 2:11ish, I really had a hard time hearing much difference.

@Roberto_MR 5 лет назад

Great comparison. I have the U he repro, love it.

@kinderobi 3 года назад

Great comparison! A musical comparison :)

@lorenmorgan1931 4 года назад

The big difference here, and it is the same with the Roland stuff, albeit nowhere to the same degree, that the plugin is not as dynamic as the real thing. Roland has completely brickwalled the output stages of their plugins, where as this is a pretty hard compression. I have found that using Dominion (free) or Fabfilter (expensive but worth it) vst to do upward expansion makes these plugins almost feel like the real deal. Thanks for the awesome comparison, and totally agree, Urs should do a Jup 4/6/8 next.

@GamesExposed 4 года назад

fabfilter what, EQ ?

@lorenmorgan1931 4 года назад

@@GamesExposed Fabfilter Pro-G. Demo it with upward expansion settings. Or just ger dominion and set the sliders to (Attack +6 60ms, Sustain -3 250ms), and it will give the VA plugins a lot more realistic character to the tone. In fact the more you increase the + and decrease the minus # the more expansion, but those seem to be a good happy place to start. Try it out and let me know. I use dominion with those settings on prerecorded music too, so I can expand the depth back to a good DR.

@lordha-ha4242 5 лет назад

The real thing is thicker and warmer. Though can be achieved with some plugins probably

@mushshrap6471 5 лет назад

tHe ReAl ThInG iS ThIcKeR aNd WaRmEr - typical synth snob who would undoubtedly fail a blind test.

@bonchbonch 4 года назад

The difference could be attributed to aged electronics.

@SPAZZOID100 4 года назад

Mush Shrap The p5 is even a joy to look at and touch. Vst cannot provide That experience.

@oziaso9655 Год назад

Hardware usually has a better low end

@hounDogmusic 5 лет назад

Have all the effects been bypassed in Repro? at around 3:20 I am not sure.

@TheMrFinalizer 5 лет назад

Yes. I started Repro 5 with Init program. I checked today for being sure. All effects bypassed.

@richardpatterson5880 5 лет назад

@@TheMrFinalizer Thanks

@sonicneutronic 5 лет назад

a good 20% difference to me. The Uhe has a flatness about it, that the Prophet delivers. Very similar though of course, and you need to hear side by side to determine.

@WAKMM 4 года назад

i actualy preferred the sound of the plugin in some! could be the age of the prophet! the plugin sounding fuller sometimes and more thick! the poly note phasing sounds a bit less pleasant on the hardware actually! plugin just sounds like a "new" machine without age

@pavliga 5 лет назад

Hardware more detuned

@nichttuntun3364 5 лет назад

Fantastic VST and of course Hardware :) Yes would be great to see other original emulations from U-He Cool comparision. Thank you.

@SourDiesel69 4 года назад

The prophet is way louder

@user-lc1sz3ij4j Год назад

Прежде чем сравнивать аппарат и софт, стоит понимать что во всем аппарат за тысячи долларов будет звучать на тысячи долларов, а софт может только ему подражать. И пока вживую не сравнить, все видео сравнения будут только создавать иллюзию "одинакового" звучания. В реальности и продюсинге это два разных мира. Вст хоть и звучит похоже тембрально, при этом он абсолютно плоский, мертвый и цифровой, никакие "волшебные сатураторы и обработка" не оживят его. Это не говоря про характер самого инструмента, исходную плотность звука, поведение аналоговых осцилляторов и фильтров. Посему у кого нет денег будут писать что звучит практически одинаково)

@kostyakonstantinoff 8 месяцев назад

Не городи ерунду. Звучи RePro прекрасно. Разница в 3000 долларов не уместна. Да, понтанутся в студии и на сцене аналоговым монстром ты конечно сможешь. Софтверным синтом ты не понтанешся, он просто незаметно делает свою работу. И делает он ее потрясающе близко к оригиналу.

@user-lc1sz3ij4j 8 месяцев назад

@@kostyakonstantinoff не буду, это бесполезно)

@DubElementMusic 3 месяца назад

@@kostyakonstantinoff die Wahrheit liegt wie so oft, irgendwo in der Mitte :)

@ВладимирХ-д2ы 5 лет назад

Sometimes Prophet sounds louder, incorrect test... Especially in the end

@jermmusic6613 5 лет назад

I don't understand, at least one oscillator on the real Prophet is pitched an octave down at the beginning? Completely pointless comparison

@TheMrFinalizer 5 лет назад

But same should be in Repro 5. I don't like clinical clear comparison which are mostly on youtube where is one oscillator comparing to one oscillator or showing oscilloscope. It isn't thru comparison in my opinion, because all synths sound the same and it doesn't matter that waves looks same under oscilloscope for me. I wanted to show live sounding instrument to show differences and patches. And, what I find mostly important, not to make fully cutoff filter fully open, because all synths also sounds the same. This comparison really don't show all aspects, you're right. Because both real synth and repro 5 are very deep instruments. So, I really barely scratch the surface. I just show how close they can sound, not similar. BTW sorry that you find this comparison pointless. There is also only one on youtube, and I hope this one will help you to judge if prophet 5 is better sounding or repro 5. I just wanna help to showing how close they can sound. Not similar.

@theexisireland 5 лет назад

Jerm I agree the real pro is played an octave lower in the video so it's not really a comparison of sound.

@TheMrFinalizer 5 лет назад

@@theexisireland Thanks for your feedback! BTW I released new album where is only Prophet 5 played with a Moog Model D. Dark, minimalistic, pure electronic music album on real cult hardware synths. Here is a link: open.spotify.com/album/4uWctgdMJqPy3AxrQMAv9A?si=ocSboGdES7aALvMpCJTGhg

@theexisireland 5 лет назад

Don't mind me, I'm just jealous of your great condition pro5 and model d so trolled your octaves 😁.

@TheMrFinalizer 5 лет назад

@@theexisireland Model D is reissue so its new. Yep, Prophet 5 is in pretty good condition. But synths with thats age, I'm always afraid of them :) Matrix 6 is already broken and needs repair, so other couple stuff too.

@chuonga375 5 лет назад

any vsts that come close to the prophet 6?

@itconnects6693 4 года назад

Wondering if I should get repro 5 or prophet 6

@itconnects6693 4 года назад

@Acesuprol 2107 yes

@PRODUCEDBYLILDOUG 4 года назад

@@itconnects6693 what did you go with?

@angstraum 5 лет назад

Sorry but in every example I prefered the real thing. There's something about the high midrange.

@UrsHeckmannBerlin 5 лет назад

You could try adjusting the detune amount. We modelled Repro after a freshly serviced Rev 3.0, so these preset import may result in a cleaner tone. Importing the presets on any other Prophet-5 may sound different, and most likely more detuned, hence warmer.