Why are wing chun practitioners so afraid to test themselves against other systems? Back in the 1950's when Helio Gracie called out Judo the Kodokhan did not hesitate to send their best men to test him. Hello choked out the second best judoka, Kato and got his arm broke and was choked unconscious by the legend Mas Kimura. At the end both BJJ and Judo learned from this exchange and the respect between both styles grew. Why are Wing Chunners so afraid to exchange fists? Do they fear exposure?
i think these people are so close minded, distorted from reality, and shrouded with pride that it would destroy their souls to believe that they're style isn't superior since they've spent their entire lives practicing it. in the end, they are their biggest enemies.
I agree Rogan and many MMAers are very distorted from reality and shrouded with steroid pride... it would destroy their souls to honor a true master of a style rather then learn a few simple moves like a child. You're missing a whole different life when you think of martial arts just for a ring. It goes so much deeper.
Yes! It's funny how the more you learn the more you realize how wrong you are. Lol How the one example was trapping hands from Wing Chun is the thing he said was ineffective. But now Tony Ferguson just cuts everyone up with his skills lol
MMA is not a style! its a bunch of martial arts glued together. also it is unfair to hate on the wooden dummy as a training tool because it "just sits there" SO DOES A PUNCHING BAG - and you use that to develop your strength and technique don't you? lol
Then, why can I go down the street, and learn MMA? It is a style that's based mostly on BJJ. That's like saying JKD isn't a style because it's based on on other styles. Point being; if you can learn MMA from a school, with out learning any other style, than it *is* a style.
IamusTheFox I agree with you. I guess what I was trying to communicate was how reckless the chauvinistic attitude he has is. I feel anyone that disrespects any martial art does not respect martial arts as a whole. MMA is around because it has built off of all the martial arts that came before it. To badmouth the origins of the techniques you are practicing shows that you are disconnected from your history.
I feel the same way mma isn't really a style its just moves taken from other styles and its sad that we might loose all of those great styles to these people
For the anti MMA crowd, why did Top JKD instructor Danny Inosanto decide to train BJJ and eventually earn black belt BJJ?Danny Inosanto is all about reality fighting . BJJ grappling is more advanced than than japanese Jujitsu or combat jujitsu.
I think Joe Rogen is right, and wrong. traditional martial arts wont work, at least, not if you only train with other people within the schools. This is why you hear stories of older generations of martial artists they challenged people from other schools. By doing that you can see where you are really lacking. For instance, if you do wing chun you will be really awesome at fighting a wing chun fighter, but not so good against a long range fighter. You need to attack the arts like its a science. Keep what works and scrape what doesnt.
Joe Rogan is not right, learning two martial arts methods makes your fighting style more dynamic. Wing Chun has always been more of a defensive style but it doesn't mean its not effective, but it is to rigid and formalistic especially in a street fighting environment, or the octagon. Rogan practices Jiu jitsu it also has its weaknesses, but paired with another martial arts form its is very effective, hence why you see guys that practice Jiu Jitsu also practice another form of martial arts like kickboxing or Muay Thai boxing, or boxing. Two guys that are very successful at Jiu Jitsu practice another form of fighting style are Anderson Silva, who does Muay Thai boxing and Jiu Jitsu. An Vitor Belfort who does boxing an Jiu Jitsu. The key to fighting is to be dynamic by mixing different styles that cover the other's weaknesses, such as Muay Thai is weak on the ground, so learning Jiu Jitsu covers the ground game.
2ndtonone1000 Honestly, it sounds as though you are actually defending Rogan. His claim is that traditional arts will not work, but MMA will. Now, what you are saying is that they WILL work, but only if we COMBINE them with other arts to cover ones weak-points, which is no different then MMA.
SocraticTaoist You are right I am defending him in a way but saying what he said against Wing Chun or Kung Fu is wrong. I mentioned fighting is dynamic especially street fighting. I am saying if you are going to just exclusively do just Wing Chun, you might want to not be to conventional and be more dynamic. By dynamic I mean 99 percent of the time being offensive as well as using lower strikes like a straight flush leg kick directly under an attackers knee cap is a strike commonly used in different forms of martial arts as well as different variations of Kung Fu. I don't think Kung Fu is bullshit, but someone knowing a mixed variety of styles definitely holds an advantage. I disagree with Rogan's put down of Kung Fu, which was never met to be used in an octagon, but was commonly used for training, physical exercise, cardio fitness and for improving muscle development. Some of the techniques can be used in a street fighting environment, but each style of martial arts has its weaknesses and strengths. I think his comment was very disrespectful to real Kung Fu artist. I am sure he would go to hell and high water to defend his martial arts style in which he practices, Jiu Jitsu.
2ndtonone1000 Joe Rogan was right. Wing Chun is less effective than straight forward boxing and that's fact. If two guys at identical speed, power, etc battled and one knew Wing Chun, and the other knew boxing, the boxer would win. Why? Because the technique is more effective. All those flail punches are not going to do anything to superior defense and the crisp, accurate shots (Jab then a 1, 2) are going to beat the guy to a pulp. Not to mention its a waste of energy to launch so many attacks without the aim to do damage.
You're not supposed to just go straight to using the chain punch if you're using a wing chun system. Thats just a mistake that a lot of terrible wing chun guys make. The chain punches have a proper time and place, like every other technique. Boxers would look stupid is they threw non-stop hooks the whole time. Theres a right time and place to throw the hook. The difference is boxers actually train to recognize to actually use there different tools. Most traditional guys havn't even been in combat.
I read an article about it. don't get me wrong I took wing Chun certain things can be effective but most arent. you can see bruce used the hand trapping skills but not the footwork or stance. wing Chun has no answer for a surprise grab ground game. I respect the art but realize what's useful and what's not.
He didn't say it was ineffective in a real right, he simply said it has its limitations. He arrived at this conclusion after his challenge match against Wong Jack Man (which Bruce won btw mostly using Wng Chun). If he thought it were completely useless then it wouldn't be part of the JKD curriculum he left behind.
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Don't start Wing Chun if you're under 40. If you wanna fight with your hands, elbows, knees, and feet like in Wing Chun, just do Muay Thai. Now, if you're over 40, go with Wing Chun over Muay Thai. Your aging body will thank you. And if you're over 40 and still getting into fights, reevaluate your life.
i saw a wing chun fighter 50 years old did beat a muay thai fighter around 30. experience is everything and to do a lot sports. you know nothing about martial arts, troll.
eating mcdonalds and watching naked men grappling in a cage with rules is a legit way of fighting ? martial arts is not just about duels. the arrogance of some american people is unbelievable .
I saw a video here with Wing Chun Grandmaster Samuel Kwok, and he himself leaves you under no illusion that certain Wing Chun techniques are most effective in a limited capacity such as close quarter combat. From memory he also discussed Chi Sau (sticky hands) and I can't recall exactly what he said but I got the impression that it can be considerably overrated amongst students of this Martial Art. It was refreshing to hear this view from a man who dedicated his life to a specific martial art, but was open and flexible enough to accept that this style alone would only have limited application in a street situation
Of course you’re limited with one or two forms and a handful of strikes. That’s why you keep learning and moving forward. It’s the dragon chasing the pearl.
Let's say this... I won't use any other techniques.. only wing chunn., and will beat DC face front, swear to god nothing else but wing chun .. how much for it?
@homiesaikia5267 I've only been in street fights but hold the fastest pin record for wrestling in my town and I'd whoop your ass trying to use that nonsense 😂
@tactipoo772 he never stopped using wing chun techniques, he was not allowed to show in public. it seems you know nothing. according to dan inosanto bruce lee used wing chun as self defense.
Fighting has evolved. There's so much international competition now that no style is really a secret anymore. I'm sure back in the day wing chun had a lot of merits. Even a lot of chinese people of today will tell you wing chun is outdated and their newer styles tries to incorporate foreign techniques into their fighting.
For the record there is no mixed martial arts. There is just Martial Arts. There are mixed styles or systems one can practice. Practicing Martial Arts covers the mixed part. Studying many, or mixing styles is much like learning History, Math And Science at school. In life they all work together.
Wing Chun attracts keyboard warrior trolls like moths to a flame! Seriously, if you think Wing Chun is shit and have video of yourself against WC or simply talking shit face to face with a WC guy, please post it. I have yet to see ANY anti-WC troll back up their talk. All I've seen is trolls posting videos of other people vs WC. And I have yet to see trolling from anyone who has ever actually sparred against WC. The trolls are uncontrollably drawn to Wing Chun for some reason. I'm fascinated by this phenomenon!
We arent trolls, we simply examine the evidence available, and point out the proof given to us. All evidence concludes that Wing Chun is indeed very shit. The evidence is in abundance all over the internet, and is undeniable. If you have any counter evidence, please do show it, because I have never found any to support Wing Chuns claims of being effective in a real fight. The burden of proof is one you, by the way.
An Irish man that has had hundreds bar fights would win against an MMA fighter, or a Karate fighter, or a Wing Chin fighter or a Aikido fighter that have had ten spars. Get my point ?
Its always funny when another bullsh**o got exposed and people try their hardest to defend it, like guys in the comment section. "Bu...bu...but kung fu is not a for a competition, its for self defence, but its also a philosophy" "Bu...bu...but every style has its weakness, every style works when it is combined with other styles". When you cant explain what is your style used for, or what is it exactly after all, philosophy, fighting style or dance it says a lot about your style. Wing Chun is a waste of time. Period. If you have time to learn something new, learn something that actually WORKS and combine it with other styles that also work.
The problem with Wing Chun is that there is no standardization and each teacher does whatever he wants plus there are a lot of fake masters that gave a bad name in the system. All martial arts depend on how hard you trained
Lol ppl these days judge TMAs without thinking twice.. The problem with most wing chun or kung fu schools is the existence of mcdojos and lack of sparring.. it wasn't the same back in the days, when ppl learnt actual traditional kung fu, applied lethal techniques, sparred on a daily basis and even tested themseleves against other systems.. trust me, kf tournaments in the 80s used to be *"brutal"* .. no protective gear, minimal rules, even strikes to the eyes and groin were allowed.. honestly, even mma matches look silly compared to them.. WC has produced many good fighters like Pierre Flores, Kevin Holland, Wong Shun Leung, Xiao Ma from streetbeefs.. even Tony Ferguson and Anderson silva incorporate wing chun into their fighting systems
True. I studied Wing Chun in the late 80s and we sparred all the time. Split lips, busted noses, black eyes, etc... And we crossed trained. One person would do anything, the other would use his Wing Chun.
okay, the second part of this video is the best. Yes, When I fought I always used everything from every style. I didn't just stay in Tae Kwon do, but because I practice so much....if I front kicked you. It's going to hurt. My point is...styles can work. yes I will admit there is a lack of realism. I never liked TKD practicing though, because they do train you to...if I do this you do that....in a street fight they don't follow the script.
True people are just jealous they have nothing else better to do and just traget on people who train for so long these kinds of people have no room to talk because IP man, Bruce lee, Jackie Chan, jet li, can take down the haters they have
I find that the people who are the most critical of Wing Chun are people that do not practice it or do not know anything about it so their criticism is something I ignore. Besides, its not the Martial Art but the man behind the Martial Art.
No, it's the martial art, street fighting is technically a martial art, they throw haymakers, windmills etc, they lose fight always, so don't give me that "it's the fighter, not the art"
Joe is wrong and other people in the comments because if you know how to use the style 100% it will work even nowadays. In a streetfight there are no rules and any of these styles like wing chun, snake fist, tiger claw, monkey kung fu, mantis, wushu, eagle claw, crane, drunken boxing all of these styles work you just have to be 100% fully trained at it
@@ibrahimghafoor6976 Bring two people upfront, one each from 1 year MMA trainee and 1 year wingchun trainee... And see who beats whom... No need to know 100 % of the art...🤣
@@pongnakalohan887 Wing Chun has a fucked history just like China. It's not a coincidence. China fuck things up. Wrestling Jiu Jutsu Kick Boxing are the modern shit.
Kung fu is effective against person who had no training or little training in fighting skills. But just in straight fight on equal level is BS as all mixing them exposed already.
So ridiculous. A. UFC is a sport with rules. Most of those outlawed attacks are what wing chun thrive on. It's an art that is meant to end someone quickly. Spar with someone that knows to bridge and trap. You will quickly see how it outclasses every form of close ranged fighting.
ufc was also a sport without rules and the wing chun guy got taken down and his ass beat, but he was just a shitty wing chun guy right, ip mans longtime student who got taken down and beat on tkod in less then a minute was also a shitty wing chun guy too right, excuses smh
Wing chun does work the same as krav maga, the average street fight isnt going to be against a trained UFC fighter so its better than no training. Also in self defense the attacker is just coming at you, they dont dance around waiting for when you are exposed. UFC is a sport, they dance around trading hits for points. Hard martial arts are overrated. Boxing is good for slips and footwork but vertical punches are better. Fighting isnt about brute force but the speed that exists only in krav/wing chun
The reason why highly trained fighter dance around is because if the rush in against another highly trained fighter they are gonna get knocked out. Surely, every fighter would loved to knock them out in a matter of seconds but that doesnt happen because the other guy doesnt leave them type of openings so they need to be 'forced' open. Put them in against a novice or someone with zero experience, they could rush them and take them out in seconds.
As a wingchun practitioner myself, I must say, WingChun is really an art.. you learn the structures and forms, but when it comes to applying to a real fight, you gotta adapt and change things up. I would definitely say that its a good system against stand up strikings with someone on the street, but if we're going ground fighting its game over for wingchun.
yes good comment...of course it begs the question of ...why even do WC...we fight the way we train...why not just train in a style that works, boxing, muaythai, wrestling etc
1fitkbox wing chun is conceptual. Most people are not aggressive therefore most practitioners will not be. Ever seen an aggressive wc'er? youtube Master wong, or dom izzo. They make WC work. Ive got links to fights where WC wins against strong karate strikers. Im a 7 star norther praying mantis practitioner but we do not learn routines first, we learn self defense. ive used it in real life situations and because it is so unorthodox compared to the common boxer or brawler thug it surprises them and they become overwhelmed when applied correctly. If everyone did MMA and an amazing WC came out of no where, hed kick their arse. its happened before. Bruce lee out of WC and jun fan. Gracies from BJJ whenever a new art is having its global hayday it catches the rest off guard JDK when it first began being taught. or more recently the last 15 years muy thais flying knee explosion. So WC came and went and people adapted, now if you are a conceptual fighter, its still useful. If you are a traditionalist or a purist for the art's sake, then you will get stomped. Its the age old saying, its not the system, its the practitioner. We can all agree bruce lee could have done any art, he would have eventually mixed it with something else and kicked everyone's arse time after time.
Yes fully agree on the practicing for the art's sake part. I wish there was more people who made it work tho, Chris Collins made it tactical CQC style lol which is nice. Do you have any videos of wingchun applied in a realistic fashion?
Acerzeon Master wong and izzo both have responses for the "knockout" game or hooks punches. In WC form and JKD form which looks like a mantis and wc mix form.
I think it's a simple answer here. If Wing Chun worked really well in a MMA arena then everyone would be doing it. Why wouldn't they? And I am a Wing Chin teacher. But absolutely none of my students aged from 20 to 72 are ever going to compete. Does that mean they should give up? Of course not. There's more to martial arts then just fighting. Another way I've put it before is like this. If I was put in a cage with a MMA guy would I win? Answer is no. But if that same MMA guy threatened my wife or children I would tear him apart. No question.
I did wing chun for 6 years and i figured out that every person has his own style of fighting. You have to find a martial art that fits you like a shoe, no matter if you do boxing, MMA, muay thai, or whatever. Like a great fighter said once. Your fighting style doesn,t matter, your skill matters.
@@Imn0l I know I won't convince you but it is true. I have experienced it myself and I seen it. It is down to the individual and I seen many people do styles and make it work that I couldn't.
MMA means mixed martial arts, as in, incorporating different styles or forms of martial arts. This includes: Chinese boxing, Kung-fu, Wing Chun, Muay Thai, Ninjitsu, Ninpo Taijitsu, Brazilian Jiu-jitsu, Japanese Jiu Jitsu (which actually came first), TKD, and many, many more styles. So the argument of what is better between MMA and "another style" of martial arts, is very stupid! Any martial arts mixes can be considered MMA, so quit all of this childish bickering, and go train some martial arts, or you can continue to idolize people you will never even be worthy of being bitch-slapped by...
***** any links to any of these WC men beating any body skilled ..EVER...in a street fight,a cage fight,a ring fight or even on mats...links please to themdoing that your admit your a clueless trappy slappa
***** JKD IS GARBAGE....its just a poor mans MMA....Idid it for 4 years ,trained with Inosanto,Hartsell, & later Eric Paulson,who I consider the best...JKD can be spilt into 2 groups...the fighters like Ben Saunders ..or Paulson ect...and the trappy slappas,the ones that dont like full contact so they stick with the JKD that doesnt hurt..the WC rubbish...JKD non fighters can be some of the most arrogant MAs ever,almost as bad as WC men...JKD fighters..never talk the shit that non fighters talk..as for me...if you punched in my name 4 pages of google will come up, some have links where comments can be left..so angry trappy slappas like your self...write on them because I anger them hehehe...
Funny thing is that most people didn't know the real kung fu masters and martial artists do not fight easily because they know their skill could kill people. Do a little study. Original kung fu means to finish opponents without restriction. Going into ring with rules and regulations are a game for muscle people.
@@thelivingtribunal387 then where is the real kung fu fighter? Never see any kung fu in competition. Is there any kung fu champ or competition in asian games or olympic? No
Joe Rogan doesn't know what the hell he's talking about! I'm sure he's never fought a skilled Wing Chun fighter in a real fight otherwise, he would've gotten his ass whooped!!!! UFC and MMA have too many rules on what you can and can't do, that's why many Wing Chun fighter's don't participate! There are a lot of techniques in Wing Chun that's not allowed in UFC and MMA matches. If they were allowed, a skilled Wing Chun fighter could easily defeat most fighter's. Wing Chun is made for real street combat and is probably the most effective form of Chinese Kung Fu for engaging in a real fight!
***** I don't have to make any excuse for Wing Chun, I'm just quoting fact! Wing Chun is an effective fighting style if you're skilled at it! Like you said, anybody can eye gouge, strike the throat or groin and employ any other dirty technique, including an MMA fighter. That's what street fighting is about. Fighting dirty!! Wing Chun is effective against dirty fighting if you're skilled at it. If you're not, then you risk the chance of taking an ass whooping.
Couldn't agree with you more, real wing chun martial artists and so good at what they do and leathal. Which chun pretty much trains you to KILL you opponent if need be, people that practice wing chun I don't do it for the glory and to beat people up, they do it for self defense and self improvement. That's why you never see REAL which chun masters go into UFC they don't care about the Glory and all this craps. Plus wing chun us designed to snap arms break necks and seriously fatally injure people. UFC guys are trained to beat people. there is a Huge difference. I train wing chun and my trainer is a master at it, trained by a very famous wing chin martial artist on RU-vid. Anyway just wanted to let you know you right bro, people that talk crap don't and have never don't wing chun.
***** Obviously you've never been hit with a Wing Chun punch, otherwise you would know that it is effective & painful..... I dare you to walk up to a skilled Wing Chun fighter & say that the Wing Chun punch isn't real! I guarantee someone will be picking your ass up off the ground!
I find it incredible the level of stupidity of people commenting here. I wonder how many of you are the type of people who think a soldier from *insert country name here* can beat a top level MMA fighter in a hand to hand combat fight. Look. Soldiers are skilled, they can likely beat up the average person. And they are certainly likely more skilled with weapons. But in a hand to hand fight, a top level MMA fighter would wreck most of them. All the nonsense neck snapping moves from the movies are fake. If you've ever done BJJ or even wrestled you'd know someone's neck doesn't just break with a quick jerk. Besides... If you put a top level MMA fighter vs a top level Boxer. The boxer will lose. We've seen it time and time again. Traditional martial arts, something like pure karate will get absolutely SMASHED by any decent wrestler or MMA fighter. If you put a wrestler against a really good striker (like a boxer or karate guy) who has also been trained to defend take downs. So they aren't a pure karate or boxer, they're mixing other disciplines. The wrestler will be a serious trouble if he cannot get it to the ground. I believe what Joe was getting at is that if you stick to only ONE type of martial art and expect to be able to suddenly kick the shit out of someone who is well versed in ALL martial arts then you're sorely mistaken. In addition, a lot of the traditional martial arts studios are run by old ass fat guys who's greatest thing they've ever done is kick a board in half and trick a bunch of younger guys he's actually really good. Just RU-vid "Kiai Master vs MMA" as an example of the stuff Joe is trying to address.
Ahhh yes, the fake stories about Bruce Lee fighting people. The dude was an actor and promoter. That's all. If he could actually fight well you can bet he would have caught himself kicking ass on camera. But he didn't He talked a big game about being able to fight, but he never allowed footage of himself fighting to be captured. That says a lot. Bruce Lee is overrated.
@@maxgoldfield7790 This actor and promoter is the reason why MMA exists which makes Jeet Kune Do a legit martial art. Not to mention that Bruce is as strong and fast as a Shaolin Monk, there is also footage of these superhuman abilities.
I think WC can be useful in the transition game. Every one should be supplementing his/her arsenal. But you can not rely solely on WC in a REAL fight. Joe Rogan is mocking WC type styles saying they abandon what doesn't work when they go down to the ground. NO FUCKING SHIT! THAT'S HOW I APPLY IT! It's like taking jabs at Capoeira. It provides explosive cardio and promotes a tremendous amount of agility with a base of understanding in dynamic strikes. But not applicable in a real street fight. Anyone who can't appreciate the wealth of knowledge other martial arts have to offer is doomed to have a narrow mind.
I strongly doubt it. If sm1 tells you Wing Chun is useless then the simple answer is, they have not met or fought a real Wing Chun fighter. But you will see the same person that's talking a mess about Wing Chun speaking very highly of Bruce Lee and that's what I find to be reallllllly funny. Bruce lee began in wing chun if I'm not mistaken and that would be the very first base level of his own well developed fighting style. So.... there ya go lol
The kicks and other sklls Rogan learned in TWD are applicable to mma and real fights, and are used all the time....so he shouldn't trash talk it. Most of the top MMA fighters have been karate-based guys.
You can't "debunk" a front kick, side kick, reverse punch or other technique, they work and are used all the time. I have used karate techniques in real fights it works amazingly. Having JJ guys take down & beat non-grapplers on the round proves nothing except that JJ experts are better at JJ than people that don't know JJ....which is obvious.
Frankie Driscoll Chi sao isn't fighting, or even sparing so obviously you really know your stuff. MMA fighters are trained in a few techniquess borrowed from a small batch of disciplines, and it porves to be effective since an MMA fighter will most often meet n opponent with the same limited skill set, in a controlled environment protected by the rules of a sport. Any talk of real fights or street fights is pure nonsense and does not apply to MMA.
Karate for the most part takes the place of boxing and muay tai....if you know karate there is very little to learn (or needed to be learned) from those 2.
I also love that fight years ago that Royce Gracie had where his brother comes in on crutches because he fought someone and injured his knee shooting for a take down. You see, everything has a weakness, even Ju Jitsu. I wouldn't want to grapple against multiple opponents, on gravel, in an alley with broken glass, in water, etc. Just saying...
MMA is as ineffective as anything else... it's primarily meant for competition, fun and entertainment. Think about it: When in real life will you ever be confronted by someone who weighs the same as you, you're both half naked, wearing cups/mouth guards/gloves/vaseline, surrounded by a cage that you aren't allowed to grab on to, and most importantly there are no weapons of any kind, no finger twisting, no groin strikes, no headbutts, no grabbing shorts, no biting, no scratching, and no eye pokes? It's mostly the clinching and wrestling where these rules and restrictions come into play so that is the part that I would call the most ineffective. Kickboxing honestly seems to be a little bit more effective though because it could help keep a dirty fighter at a distance. Truly realistic, effective fighting would mainly consist of two fighters trying to kick each other in the groin and poke each other in the eye... and that's only in the unlikely scenario neither of them has any kind of weapon.
Wtf is he talking about? There’s “hammer fists” in some wing chun forms. Doesn’t go by that name, but it’s the same move. SMH. Everyone thinks they know better than the masters. Train hard, open your mind, and practice in sparring and it will work. But you have to work for it.
I'm not saying mma isn't effective but im sorry if this guy went against masters like bruce lee, jet lee. or just anyone who can actually use wing chun he would get his sorry little ass kicked in seconds he would not get a single hit
TheHypnoticgrassblad mma isn't a style. its a combination of various martial arts. "jeet kune do" as it exists today is just a way for bruce lee's family to make money off his name. originally, however it was the philosophy of the "way of no way" in essence it was the first mixed martial art.
I find 7 things wrong right off the back: 1)- It's not the style but the person practicing it. 2)- Kung fu is skill acquired through hard work. If a martial artist is not skilled, then it is not Kung Fu. 3)- MMA is just a mixture of different martial arts, a hammer strike is in like all martial arts so it's not something that you only see in MMA. 4)- The tiger claw is not just a strike, but you grab their flesh and tear it off. 5)- Originally martial arts were not for competitions with gloves but for the battlefield and duels with your bare hands where you intention was to kill your enemy. Less people now train with that in intent. Which is where the development of the mind comes into play because if you don't develop any type of control and don't try to become a better person through training then you are nothing more than a potential killing machine, which is not the way of the warrior. 6)- The withdrawing hand is a technique where you grab your opponent and pull him in as you strike him to add more power and throw him off balance. 7)- The power of qi is extraordinary, I have felt it for myself. When Fa Jin is incorporated into it, that adds even more power and is actually very dangerous because you can easily kill someone.
5) That's a big fallacy with "real-life" martial artists. All ring fighting originated from bare knuckle underground brawling, which was as real as it gets. Boxers don't wear gloves to avoid hurting each other. They wear gloves because punching someone's face erodes your knuckles over time until you can't even make a fist anymore. That's also why competitive bare-knuckle karate and kung fu don't allow face punches. There's a good reason why boxers are uncontestedly said to have the most dangerous hands out of any unarmed fighting style by virtually all serious martial artists (and by serious, I mean they regularly spar or get into real fights).
AJweathersby There is knuckle conditioning that helps create powerful punches and karate masters would punch makiwara thousands of times a day. To say that boxers have the most dangerous hands, I can guess you have never heard of people Sokon Matsumura, Anko Itousu, many other karate masters, and people like Pan Qing Fu. Guess you have never heard of boxers fracture. It's called boxer's fracture for a reason, and traditional martial arts deal with this by making the hands, wrist, and arms as hard as rocks, so instead of breaking your own hand, you instead break your opponents skull or ribs. There is a HUGE difference between punching with gloves and a bare fist. Now I'm not saying MMA is crap or anything, I am just saying that this supposedly "superior" martial art (MMA) doesn't truly grasp everything about the martial arts and that there are flaws in it. That is it. I know that there are MMA people that are good martial artists and good fighters, however, I believe that MMA doesn't include many of the fine detail that goes in with many martial arts like Tai Chi and Matsumura Seito Shorin Ryu Karate (for example) that could be the difference between a good martial artists and a really high-caliber martial artist. Having said that I believe it is the person practicing and not necessarily the style but you get my point. Again, I mean no disrespect, but I know and have seen many people in the West let their ego get to them and they refuse to realize that there is more to the marital arts world and it makes me sad. Because all I want to for people in the martial arts world to be able to practice in peace, and to be able to gain the type of knowledge and skill to become a high-caliber martial artist, sadly so few can attain that level. I don't even know if I can attain it, but I will try, and I hope you can too. Peace be with you.
Joe Rogan is a cool dude, but what he says holds only true for some traditional martial arts practitioners (unfortunately for quite a few), I wonder what he would say about this today, having seen the continual evolution of MMA and the increased use of fancier techniques. Joe Rogan also dismissed taekwondo once, but has now seen that it can work in the cage. That's our take at Zen-Dragon.
Does he realize that with out Kung Fu none of the martial arts that MMA uses would even exist? Plus Kung Fu uses ground and pounds, grapple moves. standing strikes, throws and anything as a weapon. It was used for war times not as a sport MMA vs Kung Fu fighter in a street fight the MMA would get his ass kicked. All MMA fucking does is copy other styles and try to make it like it is their own. In my opinion "mixed martial arts, or MMA," doesn't even exist because most martial arts throughout history were already mixing other styles to create new styles. It is how martial arts evolved over time. In martial arts you can use one styles, two styles, or more, but it is still MARTIAL ARTS. I do not understand why people buy the bullshit that martial arts is inferior to MMA when MMA is martial arts. True Kung Fu warriors(Like in Han, Tang, Ming or Qing dynasty) fought to the death, because they were actual warriors fighting for their country and a cause.
without kungfu...none of the MAs MMA uses would exist ..you say....hahaha...bless ya..did you just make that up as you went along haha...the Xai dynasty where the first rulers of China....they were Black Africans who came from north Africa...they brought with them Nubian fighting arts...Hierogliphics on pyramids show that the techniques they used were exactly the same strikes and submission wrestling we use now in MMA....all kungfu came fromthe Xai...kungfu came from Africa...then spread through out Asia...its kungfu that is now different to how humans always fought when the first martial arts where developed by Nubians aroubd 8000 years ago...so basically...you speak with fork tongue my little deluded friend
rUaMeS who said Chinese didnt exist at the time the Xai went and started the first dynasty....I said...the XAI were the first "RULERS" & took with them the Nubian fighting art that was the worlds first,that came from the fertile cresent...as all firsts came from there ...willI get a black board and a peice of chalk and explain it easier for you hehe...its not my opinion...its a fkn fact muppet haha
rUaMeS why dont you even do a google search called " xai dynasty were African or Shang li were black....or even ...African ancient fighting arts in China....ps...im white
How the fuck did the Chinese took it from the Africans when they were enslave thousands of miles away during that time moron? -_- Please make a video of your explanation of it on youtube so hundreds of people like me can bash on your stupidity! =)
rUaMeS hehehe...what...are you saying that I said...Eygpt,India and China DIDNT exist at the same time hehehe...jesus..willI get a black board and a bit of chalk...ill write these next lines realllyyy slooowwwlyy....coz I know you cant read very fast....ok...from the start....Humans were throughout the earth....but only as HUNTER GATHERERS...everyday ,get up, go hunt, gather nuts,fruit....it wasnt untill 10000 years ago when they found the fertile cresent stretcting from north Africa to the middle east...that they actually settled....with settle ment...came invention, because they now had time to invent...its where the first martialarts were invented..Nubian...all martial arts came from this, martialarts spread out from here round middle east,then on to india...and the Xai took MA to China..from there it spread out thru Asia....youl get there,keep at it.
I'm not martial arts expert but would like to chime in here. I have trained in some martial arts, I took traditional karate as a kid and then later as an adult spent about 6 months in Krav Maga twice a week (which btw was the most challenging mental and physical training I've ever been through)....anyways, I think Joe Rogan is way off base and completely wrong in calling traditional martial arts nonsense or ineffective, but that doesn't mean MMA is nonsense or that Joe Rogan isn't an master fighter and expert martial artist, he without a doubt is. Joe Rogan is a beast and MMA is an extremely effective hybrid form of martial arts, no one can debate that. Anyone ragging on MMA is just as foolish as Mr. Rogan ragging on Kung Fu. First of all Kung Fu generally refers to all Chinese martial arts and incorporates much more in it than pure aggressive fighting which is what MMA and even Krav Maga is. So if you look at something like Wing Chun Kung Fu, which is a very specific style it deals with mind, body and spiritual and ethical development. It's a very complicated system of not just fighting but, but both mental and physical development or living your life that takes a very long time to master. Kung Fu was developed over thousands of years in Asia and is and was an extremely deadly and effective martial art. It's been used in war, fighting, defense a lot longer than MMA, so calling it nonsense and ineffective is absolutely wrong and just plain ignorant. Furthermore historically people that trained in Kung Fu spent most of their time doing it, not 2 or 3 hours a week, but dozens of hours every week. In Modern society mastering Kung Fu is significantly more time consuming to master than any other martial art, it was ingrained in Chinese culture, so the learning curve for westerners is much more drastic. MMA on the hand is a western martial art developed within a western cultural mindset, but it's roots are in traditional martial arts. MMA is MIXED MARTIAL ARTS, it takes moves and styles from all martial arts, INCLUDING traditional martial arts like Kung Fu, this is a fact, no debating it. Comparing Kung Fu to MMA is comparing apples to oranges, or more to the point it's like comparing the use of scalpel to the use of a machete. Wing Chun does not translate into a good fighting style for sport or MMA because many of the moves and basic principles of Wing Chun are restricted by the rules of MMA, specifically the biggest impediment is having gloves. Wing Chun requires the use of your hands and fingers to grab and manipulate your opponent this is includes grabbing clothes or hair, whatever you can grab, it's a fundamental in Wing Chun. Many of the strike areas in Wing Chun are also restricted by MMA rules. If Wing Chun is going to succeed in MMA, it needs to be adapted to MMA. Most successful MMA fighters are not specific to one style, again the definition of MMA is mixing styles, so if you're a Wing Chun master that attempts to fight in MMA you're going to be at a disadvantage. Would Bruce Lee succeed in MMA? Absolutely....but Bruce Lee, while his base was Wing Chun, learned and adapted many more styles and even developed his own. Bruce Lee would own in a MMA ring. Finally in regards to real fighting or practical street fighting, there is no doubt the MMA artists are extremely effective street fighters, but real fighting is more about mental attitude and the will to win, than your skill. Don't get me wrong, you need to know how to fight to win a fight, but what determines if you win is really your mental state of mind. This is what I learned in Krav Maga. In Krav Maga they teach very basic forms of fighting, but half of what they teach you is mental toughness, never give in, never give up. In a Krav Maga class, they spend the first 30 minutes physically and mentally exhausting you, THEN you begin your training. They blare loud music and scream at you like drill instructors and just when you're ready to collapse or give in is when they force you to keep going. Krav Maga is about mental toughness, not fighting skill. I illustrate this to make the point that Wing Chun is not a refined form of martial art that has been stripped down for a specific purpose. It's much more than that, and thus is more difficult to truly master. A skilled Wing Chun Kung Fu student is just as effective in a real fight as any MMA fighter or Krav Maga fighter. Kung Fu is not nonsense or a waste, it's different and more complicated. Millenia of Kung Fu has proven that. You wanna be a fighter? MMA is the way to go. You want a quick and deadly way to defend yourself? learn Krav Maga You want a system of physical and mental development based on an ancient and complicated martial art, then learn Kung Fu.
The one thing about mma that I do not really like is that it doesn't really go in depth into any art. yeah in mma you take good techniques from different martial arts and put them together, but that doesn't mean someone practicing it will be a good martial artist. because ability in martial arts depends on the practitioner. In mma, I have found that the people teaching go very little in depth about the way of strategy. Sure mma people can defend themselves well, but I have met masters who studied one art their whole life. And if you try to fight them it is like they are not even human, it's like fighting a shadow or a ghost. they will be in their 60s and they move so fast and can generate so much power it's ridiculous. That only really comes out from constant training in the way of strategy and sticking to an art and learning everything about it, and only few can achieve such a level. Maybe someone using bits and pieces of different arts could become at that level, however, I have never seen it or heard about it. because from my mma experience everybody just focuses on physical and superficial things.
daboodeef179 Youve seen them do what, exactly? Beat you? No offense, but I doubt you are even amateur level compared to any decent BJJ guy, boxer, Wrestler or MMA guy etc Have you even sparred against a real martial artist, or do you only "spar" with these fraud "masters"? What you said about MMA shows you are completely clueless and deluded about it.
crazlEgamer02 What I said about MMA was that it can be effective, however, I have never seen MMA people be as high caliber as masters in Tai Chi or Matsumura Seito Shorin Ryu Karate (for example). That is all. I'm not saying MMA is crap or anything. I am simply pointing out that there are some flaws in MMA that prevent it from being what it can potentially be because there is a level that many most martial arts don't even know of in the west and it is sad to see and all I want is people to realize the truth about he martial arts and how powerful it really is and how skillful a person can really be. It is not about style but the person practicing, however, if you want to become a high-caliber marital artist you need to be taught the correct principles. Which in practicing MMA I have found that it lacks in those principles which is why I move towards more traditional martial arts like Tai Chi cause not only do you become a better person, but the true potential of the practitioner increases by so much more. Again, I mean no disrespect to MMA, however, I believe that MMA training is limited.
crazlEgamer02 Two books I recommend you read The Book of 5 Rings, Karate and Ki: The Origin of Ki - The Depth of Thought. Just for starters. What I said about mma is based on experience. Closing one's mind towards the traditional arts and only thinking about one on one competition and mma will only limit yourself. You can do what you want, however, have an open mind.
@@josephdavis4956 or maybe it's just because they'd get smoked. Don't get me wrong I think Wing Chun is cool and could complement a fighter using MMA, but in a proper fight against someone who's training she's in Muay Thai, karate, BJJ who trains to fight and is used to getting hit, someone using wing Chun exclusively is going to get their face smashed in.
@@alkaline8608 and you're entitled to that opinion. It's like not either wing chun or MMA would have a 100% success rate over the other. Depends on the fighter really
Cut back a few years later and now we have people like Tony Ferguson proving people like Joe wrong and to his credit Joe does concede that if you “know your shit” as he says it actually works.
Tony uses MMA mostly tho and the guy has an iron chin watch back his fights and see how many times be gets hit in the face and not gets knocked out and wing chun is ineffective cause not only is Tony Ferguson the only person the use it and win he also uses alot of MMA and he is literally one in million to make that shit work. Look at the rest of the wing chun fighters who got fucked up by MMA fighters
The key point Rogan and TMA proponents both miss is that they mistake sport fighting for self defense. Whenever an MMA practitioner wishes to "debunk" a traditional martial art, they cite its ineffectiveness in the octagon. And, conversely, Wing Chun practitioners point to its effectiveness in sparring. A sparring/ring fight is completely different from a self defense scenario. Everything from the distance/range (or lack thereof) to the terrain and timing is completely incomparable. The octagon supports its own fighting style by prohibiting the most effective, and often dirty, techniques. And that's fine, if the only chip on the table is pride.
Fleidy Leegyrson Full contact sparring gives you an edge over somebody that doesn't train full contact. No such thing as a proper way to train for biting. This is why TMA fail
Also as a Wing Chun practitioner I have to say the motions of Wing Chun are mostly pointless. But the reason it is important is to understand the philosophy and it's ideas. Even Bruce Lee understood the importance of the Wing Chun idea but made the physicality more practical and effective.
Well I would like to disagree. Wing chun isn't "mostly pointless". It helps you with form and better grappling techniques. It may not be the best martial art to learn alone, but It can surely help you with form in fighting.
Only a person of great ignorance would speak of a subject he truly knows nothing about. If he were to encounter an authentic WC practitioner, who had experience fighting mma's and boxers, he would choose his words more carefully.
Yeah, given that an "authentic WC practitioner" with any significant amount of experience fighting mma's and boxers would be dead or paralyzed, i imagine he would try to show more sympathy.
It's not completely right what he said. Most Taekwondos and Wing Chuns have been taught for self defense, NOT for MMA tournaments. I've seen Taekwondo guys kicking the sht out of gangsters before. They still work, just not for octagons. Taking techniques from them and train with some serious kick boxing and grappling will work superiorly well!
I think the key to understanding Kung Fu is that it is the study of movement, moving the whole body artistically. When compared to UFC which is a competition using the most effective techniques (hence Mixed martial Arts). Kung Fu and its styles are almost studies of how to apply the body against force and against a partner practiced in specific instances, it takes masters to be able to apply it especially in fights. Not saying its useless, there are only so many ways to move the human body and we are seeing effective techniques being used. Its like comparing styles of dance, grinding and club dancing may be the most effective in terms of getting laid but it takes a master of *insert style of dance here* to seduce a partner in that style. There is a difference between result and method, but that's just my thoughts.
Trying to make a comparison between dance and fighting (perhaps not effective). I meant any kind of dance (tango or b-boy or whatever). What I mean to say is that Kung fu is about self expression where MMA is about effectiveness and results. People train in Kung Fu like an art form not always for maximum fighting power.
any martial art is good to no n of course its getting better when u mix up the things.i smoke weed before 4 about 5 years n that is a really waste of time Joe Rogan....roll one more dude n let me hear more bullshit
Cool story bro. Coming from a guy using MMA developed to have a "sport match" and sell tickets, vs actual martial arts developed for 1000's of years for death in the battlefield before there were guns. Even the smallest amount of common sense knows that real martial arts don't stand a chance in an MMA ring when moves that are "too effective" or "dirty low-blows" are banned and the majority of the art becomes obsolete. Yeah MMA is real advantaged until you go out and have a real fight. I'd love to see you complain to a referee on that move that just broke your arm within 20 seconds into the fight, you know the one that isn't allowed in a match cause you'd actually get really hurt and maybe fuck up your next few seasons?
I agree if you mean that traditional Wing Chun doesn't work on the streets. But I know that if you adapt Wing Chun into Modern Wing Chun than it works effectivly. And train with different styles, do sparring and train good. Also make it work for you, for some people Wing Chun won't work and for some people Wing Chun works effectivly
Wing chun has a lot of watered down systems that don’t work . He also says the king fu guy hammer fist and says it’s not Kung fu it’s MMA , all martial arts have similar moves as us humans only have 2 arms and 2 legs there is a limit to what we can do
Kung fu is skill achieved through hard work. so this is hilarious because he is saying that skill achieved through hard work is bullshit haha. especially since he is looking at Chinese martial arts at a sports view when real chinese martial arts is not a sport but a self defense system and combat for the battlefield. also "kung fu"/karate forms have a single technique embedded within the form and in order to achieve this you must go beyond the form by penetrating deeply into the form through constant practice for many years. the physical techniques of the form is just the beginning of what the form teaches, which only real martial artists will know what I'm talking about. and achieving a first-degree black belt doesn't mean shit (especially in the west since they usually teach a more watered down version), that is just the beginning because martial arts training is for life.
Also martial arts training now is so much more lax than back in the day. Saying that the many principles of some Chinese martial arts is bullshit, then you are saying that some of the principles being taught to our soldiers in the US Military is bullshit. lol. I wonder what people like Mas Oyama, Sokon Matsumura, Choki Motobu, Anko Itosu, Kenji Ushiro, Morio Higaonna, Fred Villari, Liu Hung Chieh, Lu Zijian, Kanga Sakugawa, Miyamoto Musashi, Shirai Toru, the Four Hitokiri of the Bakumatsu, the 3 past/present grandmaster of the Shaolin-do kung fu, Master Li Shu Shen would do to them in a REAL dual, not that sports and entertainment crap you see on tv and in a ring.
This is why TV personalities shouldn't comment on things they don't do. Like when we get these musicians and actors saying they're jobs are like going to war.
He was a state Tae Kwon Do champion and black belt, he trained and fought in kickboxing, and he is a black belt under the Machado brothers and Eddie Bravo. He has been a commentator and employee of the UFC for years, and trains with professional fighters on a regular basis. He absolutely knows a shitload more than you do.
shorinteacher I'd beg to differ. I've been doing Kyokushin since I was six, recently got into Muay Thai in the last year, and I've got plans to train in more disciplines. If he knew anything about Karate, he'd know that there's more to it than what he's described. Kyokushin, for example, is about being able to defend yourself in a real fight and we hold competitions, full contact, all the time. I plan to enter the next one in Los Angeles this year, I have MMA aspirations. So, while he MIGHT know more than me, he does not ABSOLUTELY know a shitload more than me on the martial art I've been raised doing.
YoungMustyMusic I think Rogan would be the first to tell you how much respect he has for kyokushin...as all fighters do...but we all fight the same at top level...kyokushin kicks, knees the same as all other top fighting styles...rogan is referring more to garbage like WC and other non contact styles..1 low kick of any kyokushin man would end a fight with those styles quickly...
real fighting doesn't consist of 2 guys facing each other with their hands touching at arm's length, slap fighting like girls. your enemy isn't going to play into your style, you have to adapt to him with attacks that can end a fight like a k.o. or a submission. real fighting is a guy trying to knock your head off with a haymaker or a guy rushing in to slam your ass to the ground. while wc does have some great concepts of defending these attacks, it doesn't teach you to end fights meaning yes you can deflect blows but in wc, they don't teach grappling, submissions or fight ending strikes. wc strikes are strikes that don't use bodyweight instead standing from a stationary position or walking in throwing straight punches using power only from the arms. do this in the streets and you might get away with parrying a few strikes and landing some of your own but once that guy lands that heavy hook or cross to your chin, it's lights for you. 6 fast strikes with no body weight behind them is nothing compared to a timed cross with body weight behind it but i do believe the 6 strikes can set up for a powerful cross or a takedown. wc doesn't teach this. i believe wc is great for defending oneself at a social setting where a guy attacks you, u defend and smack him a few times in the face after deflecting his hook. the fight ends there with you walking away with people breaking it up but if we're talking about a fight where you have no choice but to finish this guy, then wc is too incomplete as a fighting system to accomplish this. in a street fight i think it's crucial to know mma with wc to be sure of victory, if wc is your thing. you deflect the guy's blows with wc and counter with quick wc strikes to the guy's adam's apple or to the eye stunning him momentarily before throwing the power cross, uppercut, knee, elbow, or kick to send him to the ground. it doesn't end there, instead of striking your stunned opponent, if you don't have much faith in your striking ability but have great grappling skills, you could close in and toss your stunned opponent to the ground and go from there. but let's get back to the scenario where u chose to strike and you put him on the ground with a hook.this should end the fight if your strike produces a k.o. or if the guy's had enough and just lays there BUT if he still wants to fight, his first instinct would be to get back to his feet. as he tries to stand while trying to recover from your punch, you soccer kick him and knock him back to the ground or if he grabs your legs, you sprawl and get control of his back and choke him out, fights definitely over. if you want, u could be more brutal and choose not to go to the ground but drop a few elbows to the back of his head while defending his takedown, this would end the fight as well not pussy ass strikes with no bodyweight behind them. i'm not saying quick strikes with no body weight are useless because these strikes are the setups for the REAL ATTACKS. if all you have are set up attacks with no finishing moves or knowledge of ground fighting, the odds are against you in a real fight where there are no rules considering there are no weapons involved. this is why i believe wc is impartial.yeah it's true when they say everybody has a plan until they get hit but it's usually the guy with the mental edge of thinking ahead under these conditions who prevails over the guy who gets hit and just folds with no back up plan. as a true martial artist it's imperative to be humble being open minded to any martial art yet not close minded to one because you can never stop learning. let's keep it real. PEACE.
damnthis I can answer this as I have trained WingTsun 4 years, also karatejutsu for 1 year and some other arts like maga. The wing tsun punches do not come just from the hand. We do train punches with using our muscles from back and from the hip. We just dont bring the hip forward. We don't use the force that comes from bicep or tricep, too much tensions causes slow punching. We do use hip, also with Elbows. Also in our school, we do train grappling and full contact with gloves and protection. It really comes to the school. Most wt schools concentrate just in bland punches and not too much full contact or anything real. It really depends on the lineage and school. Our Sibak with 2 tg degree, is phenomenally fit and when he punches, with range from inch, oh man, that hurts like hell, seriously. It really depens on the school, also person needs to learn wing tsun for longer than just few years to learn to use and adapt it.
I'm gonna get hated for this because there is like a RU-vid Joe Rogan Fan Boy club DEDICATED to making sure people get over 100 dislikes for saying something less than perfectly positive about Joe Rogan, but I don't know why he acts like he's so damn experienced in MMA. He was an amateur in Full Contact Taekwondo (won't state whether ITF, WTF or ATA, so it's questionable), and as a kickboxer (won't state pro or amateur) has a record of 2 wins and 1 loss. He's achieved some black belts in his time and handled some idiots that can't fight on television but with no professional kickboxing, boxing, grappling or MMA championships of any kind whatsoever nor a list of street fights he's been in, I don't know why he acts like HIS opinion matters so much. I mean, yeah. He goes to a gym to do a lot of BJJ and he commentates MMA. He's also earned the ire of Rampage Jackson, Joe Dos Santos, Tyron Woodly and various other MMA fighters that claim his comments are unwarranted and sometimes flat out wrong on multiple levels. I believe as long as you train Practically and aren't afraid to borrow from other martial arts (especially if you're going into it's ruleset) you can make anything work. You might need to change it a lot or a little but Joe Rogan isn't half what he claims to be. I ain't sayin' he never makes good points or observations. But dont' pretend to be an awesomely experienced MMA fighter that knows it all just because you train MMA. I learned the HARD way my first few fights, there's training to fight and then there's actual fight experience.
National TKD champ, and blackbelt in bjj hes been training over 15 years in, he would rape you if he wanted and the best mma organization doesnt keep him around because he doesnt know shit. SMH. edit: He is also right about what hes talking about here, just because you cant accept it doesnt make it any less true
Sitting around doing nothing, is a waste of time. Training of any sort, is hardly a waste of time. Not even saying the style of kung fu is effective, but physical training. A statement like that is silly. You're silly. That's only slightly less vague, than, Martial Arts are a waste of time.
Lol, you're silly. I don't think of it as a waste of time. Only because I can actually say something intelligent, instead of being so silly and implying I'm a waste of time....that you clearly wasted your time on. lol. Again, though, unlike you, I am able to have an intelligent debate.
I love how the interviewer references Karate... funakoshi... and shotokan... as ineffective... hmmm I think 3rd degree shotokan black belt and UFC fighter lyoto machida would highly disagree.
There's a video of a Wing Chun guy and a karate guy sparring. The same thing happens, the Wing Chun guy initially gets the karate guy going backwards with chain punching, but then they clinch and it turns into a straight up wrestling match, and then they go down, and it turns into a grappling match.
@@jeremyjolly3645 In the original or second (I forget) UFC, there was a Wing Chun fighter who tried using it but he ended up tossing it all out as it didn't work at all. There was no grappling on his part.
I see Gamer, Fitbox, and Wimp Chump are still talking shit about WC. Yet *NOT ONE* of them has ever fought a WC guy, or even talked shit face to face with a WC guy. Hilarious!
I love MMA and watch it regularly and I totally agree that it will work both inside and outside the ring but to say that TMA are completely useless and none of that stuff works on the street is about the most arrogant and egotistical thing anyone can say. The human body hasn't changed in the past 10000 years and martial arts have existed since the earliest of days when man had to develop a means to defend himself with impact and edged weapons as well as empty handed to survive on the ancient Battle fields where alot of TMA actually came from. what are the odds that if it was completely worthless and none of it was ever effective in a real conflict ever that it would of survived for thousands of years. it's because in the settings that those old school martial arts came from they actually did work. MMA is an awesome sport that evolved out of TMA and through out all the techniques that would either take too long to become good enough at to use in the ring, are against the rules in a sport fight and also could be learned and recalled under stress much easier. Naturally sports like wrestling, boxing, Judo/Jiu-Jitsu, Sambo and Muay Thai became the base of what modern MMA has become because all of these arts came from older arts that there creator knew could be practiced safely and at full speed against a resisting opponent so long as alot of the more dangerous techniques where removed. The issue with most TMA is they don't practice what they know against people whom are truly resisting 100% which in and of itself is another issue, especially for arts like Kali/Eskrima/Arnis de Mano. I think so long as you arent afraid to use what you've taught and apply it aggressively (assuming you have enough time training in whatever art is your choice) you'll likely be fine in 90+% of altercations on the street. most people aren't trainned martial artist and the odds of you getting into a fight with one on the street are even lower. TMA have the potential to be devastatingly effective but the person applying them needs to have alot of training and fully understand the intricacies of whatever art he/she practices. People always bag on arts like Karate but ive seen on 2 different occasions friends of mine who practice it flatten a guy quickly with it. We need to stop comparing regular people to highly trained professional MMA fighter whom make up .0000000000001% of the population. For most people practicing a TMA is going to lead to them getting their ass kicked. ever. Training in some form of MA regardless of what it is most of the time is better then not at all.
I never lost a fight with Wing Chun and I trained at many mma gyms. I think the truth of the matter that rogan is not mentioning is that it is the man and not the style. This is preaching ignorance. Rogan has never even opened his dmt mind to studying Kung Fu. How can you judge what you have never studied. That is like saying eating lobster tastes sour when you have never tried lobster.
I dont practice martial arts , but I know little info about it. Most UFC fighters now practice BJJ, and BJJ is developed base on Judo, and I do believe origin martial arts in Japan and Korea are developed base on Chinese martial arts, especially from Shaolin over thousand years ago. All people know how famous Shaolin is....!
Take any MMA fighter and put him in a boxing ring with a top ranked boxer of the same weight class and lets see what happens. If an MMA fighter can't grapple then 80% of their game plan is out the window. The same goes for a pro boxer, if he goes against an MMA fighter with MMA rules then he will most likely lose because boxers are not trained in grappling.
MMA is a sport, a sport where martial artists can test themselves against others. This sport has MANY rules that limit what a martial artist can do. Small joint manipulation - rules out many Aikido techniques. No groin kicks, gouging, kicking/kneeing downed opponent, etc - rules out many Krav Maga techniques. No striking to the back of the head - Taekwondo practitioners strike the back of the head pretty often. There is no such thing as an ineffective art or technique, because there is ALWAYS a situation where that art or technique can be used. There IS a such thing as an ineffective practitioner/martial artist.
Uh, I've got a black belt in Tae Kwon Do and this is the first I've heard of back of the head strikes. The only way I can see getting one in is if someone practically has their back to you, and that just doesn't happen unless they are giving up. MMA rules as they stand today are pretty much the minimum they can get away with and be accepted by gaming commissions in various states. They exist because for example the original UFC was banned from most states with any kind of sport fighting base just a few years into its existence. So yeah, it's not REAL real fighting, but it's as close as you're ever going to get unless civilized society completely collapses. The point is that the bulk of the techniques of any combat art should be practical enough to do well in some aspect of MMA. The original UFC proved that no traditional art has it on lock (exempting the wins due to injury forfeit, it was years before any strikers could deal with a grappling art). It has been shown time and time again that the vast majority of traditional martial arts is complete bullshit. Kung Fu is a particularly good example. There are a few Kung Fu fighters in the UFC - Roy Nelson comes to mind right off the top of my head - but you watch them and you'd be hard pressed to tell them apart from a boxer. Why? Because boxing is what works for hand strikes. Not chain strikes, not trap blocks, but straight up boxing. There are good things in Kung Fu and the like, but most of it sucks and it shows. Joe Rogan speaks from experience. He was an olympic class TKD fighter back in the day, and in one of his videos he talks about getting his ass kicked by an American Kickboxer (not random, they were sparring). He realized for all his work in TKD he had fuck all for defense against punches - a giant hole in one of the most popular traditional martial arts. Karate is at least as bad (I know my TKD club tore up a few Karate tournaments, so it's got to be in a very similar situation), so there are two of the most popular martial arts on the planet that suck balls in a real fight. Most of them follow, and fancy hand moves and impractical stances of Kung Fu just make things worse.
dipstickewew Yeah. Joe was "an olympic class TKD fighter".... There's a difference between being a fighter and a martial artist. I think you were missing the point in my previous comment, so I won't repeat anything. You're entitled to your opinion, though I think you should try to understand martial arts a little better...As for the back of the head shots, if a person is standing in a side stance (closed stance) and they're coming forward, their head (not body) usually turns to the side for a second exposing the back of their head - they're open for a back leg roundhouse or spinning hook (if open stance).
yes....and maybe boxers ...who are only allowed to use a certain part of there fist to a certain part of the body...maybe they could never be any good in a street fight either...because they never get chance to use groin and eye strikes hehehe...maybe a karate man in a tournament .. who can only use controlled kicks & punches,cant u knees, who cant punch to the head...maybe he could never win a street fight either because hes not allowed to poke eye & hit groin hehe...why dont you pick a street fight with a boxer...and youl find out why for years theyve always been some of the hardest best street fighters around...what a muppet hehe
