UK EV Charging: Prices & Power | May 2023 Round-Up

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Whether you're an EV owner, a prospective buyer, or simply want to keep informed regarding the latest charging news, this video contains all the information you need.
More importantly, this video can help you save money and avoid the common pitfalls when it comes to charging an electric vehicle. And no, you don't need a Tesla to benefit from the advice here.
This month I've travelled further than ever to get a better sense of what charging is like around the country. As always, if you have any suggestions for how I can improve these videos, or there are any specific sites you'd like me to visit, leave the details in the comments and I'll try to respond.
So stick around as Dave Takes It On.
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00:00 What's changed?
00:28 GeniePoint
01:29 Fastned
03:00 Instavolt
05:00 Tesla Superchargers
06:50 Ionity
08:30 Osprey
09:35 Shell Recharge
11:10 MFG EV Power
12:36 BP Pulse
13:58 Gridserve
15:50 Applegreen
16:52 Support the channel
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@Brian-om2hh Год назад

Once the cost of public charging reaches 65p plus, then it is pretty much on a par with buying petrol. Very appropriate you mentioned subscribing to public charge networks, as many are unware that subscribing can yield cost reductions of up to 50%. My local charge network charges around 45p per kwh for subscribers, and you get an allowance of around 30 kwh each month as part of your subscription. Once you have used your allowance, then the 45p rate applies..... Of course home charging on an off-peak tariff is way cheaper than any public charging. Octopus Energy have recently reduced the pricing on their Intelligent EV tariff to 7.5p per kwh, down from 10p per kwh. And you have 6 hours per night at that.... That gets my per mile cost down to below 2p once more..... Thanks for the video Dave.....

@davetakesiton Год назад

yes, Brian, bit up and down, but it will settle down. I’m on 13.6p 10 hours weekdays 9pm to 7am plus all day Saturday and Sunday, average cost 22p over the month, Dave

@ianclunie9753 Год назад

I live somewhere with poor radio reception for smart meters (in Scotland, they use radio waves to communicate and not wifi). I believe means I cant use any cheap charging tariff until we get better smart meter infrastructure.

@davetakesiton Год назад

@@ianclunie9753 You are right, Ian, and there's little you can do, unfortunately. Bombard your utility company with requests, complaints, threats, anything helps, Dave

@Kewickviper 10 месяцев назад

In my calculations its around 55-59p to be equivalent to petrol, obviously it depends on lots of factors like mpg, kwh/mi, fuel prices etc.. I took an average mpg car and compared it to an average EV and it came to around 55p per kwh to where EVs are actually more expensive. This makes me not really want to use my EV for any long journeys since it makes quite a big difference and makes EVs far too expensive to use.

@beemkhan Год назад

Hey Dave, im new to the EV world, thanks for being so informative that will take my some time to find my self. Huge help! Keep it up!

@faramucci3910 Год назад

Well done Dave and thank you for this good quality video!! I just recently find this channel and i like it and sub as well. Very impressive quality!!!! Recommended to my friends.😍😍👍👍👍💪💪❤❤❤❤💚💚💚💚 I believe the government will support more this new technology!!! Thank you again!!

@Jaw0lf Год назад

I rarely charge away from home, but this is great information and now subscribed! Thanks

@davetakesiton Год назад

Jawolf, thanks for your support, Dave

@Madonsteamrailways Год назад

I’m glad that you’ve done this video to show me where I can charge my small electric vehicle.

@davetakesiton Год назад

Always trying to help, Dave

@ashb8572 Год назад

Thank you for another great video update. It was very helpful as always

@davetakesiton Год назад

glad you liked it Ash, thanks, Dave

@andcharge Год назад

Really good overview of the different operators and their strengths and weaknesses. Hope they are watching :)

@davetakesiton Год назад

Not sure even if they do that they will understand agree or consider changing, but I live in hope, Dave

@nigelmiller5860 Год назад

Thanks, great video full of information. Please keep up the informative videos.

@davetakesiton Год назад

Hi Nigel, thanks for your support, Dave

@kennshearer526 Год назад

How did the old saying go - “Rip of Britain”. No change then. Well done Dave absolutely what we need. Giving the information you provide I am happy to avoid those providers who charge the earth and/or have poor facilities 😊

@davetakesiton Год назад

Hi Kenn, I am a very firm believer in people power. Avoid doing business with people or companies providing poor service and tell them why, Dave

@rogerbroughall5060 Год назад

Keep up the good work Dave

@davetakesiton Год назад

thanks Roger, trying my best but still learning, Dave

@olitonottero7620 7 месяцев назад

super helpful !!! I'm looking to buy my first EV and wonder where to find public overnight slow charging points

@BikeNutt1970 Год назад

Great video. When you weigh it all up, Tesla is the logical EV of choice if you do regular long journeys.

@davetakesiton Год назад

Hi bikenut, it was my prime reason, other than owning a Tesla, as I do high mileage and 5 years ago public chargers were mainly 7kW, Dave

@thelastpilot4582 10 месяцев назад

Maybe but not everyone can afford one. Typical EV attitude I'm rich. I can afford one. I can charge mine in the garage if you cant then tough, I'm alright Jack.

@molepatrol7529 Год назад

First time in your channel. Great work.

@davetakesiton Год назад

thanks, glad you like it, Dave

@Madonsteamrailways Год назад

Great video!! I’ve had a Renault Zoe for three years and am just about to change it for a Vauxhall Combo Life Electric camper.

@davetakesiton Год назад

Hey, would love to hear about that, Dave

@I_Was_Chrispy_Kreme Год назад

Excellent video as usual Dave. I have just bought a PHEV (cue squeals from the comments section) but it really is a gateway drug. I love getting back from my commute plugging it in a driving only on electric. The petrol gauge hasn’t moved in months.

@davetakesiton Год назад

I have no problem with phev if people need the reassurance, but if you never use the petrol engine, why is it there? when you come to change cars things will be very different. good luck, Dave

@Lewis_Standing Год назад

Hopefully this gives you the confidence to go full electric next time. You're experience has shown you, you can go months without petrol! Even easier with a bigger battery

@davestarkie9977 Год назад

Useful video, thanks, would be great to do a full sweep of all the charger brands including pod point and BeEV. Of the ones in the video which would you recommend for a ioniq5 owner? tend to use ionity but they seem to be getting more and more busy.

@davetakesiton Год назад

Hi, Dave, if you saw the April charging price video you will know this one includes more information. I agree with you and the next will include even more. Ultimately I will be including streetside and home Fast chargers, so I will get there. Re: best charger, from my road trip. Wow, a real can of worms that I am currently studying for a new video release later this week. Here goes. There is not enough difference in charging speeds between networks to select any one. Ioniq 5 can take a maximum of 220kW and either 400v or 800v, but with your limit of 220kW, even 400v is likely to provide all the power your BMS can handle. BTW a Tesla Model 3 LR with 250kW charging, pre-heated, plugged into a V3 250kW should charge faster than Ioniq 5 plugged into 350kW at 800v. It's a really complicated subject. Look out for the video release. Thanks for your support and comments, ~Dave

@mjwndave Год назад

Hi Dave, great vid, does make me laugh you chose the Morrisons in Leyland, that's my local Morrisons and I can't say I have EVER seen it working

@davetakesiton Год назад

need I say more. at 79p I’ll drive down to Charnock Richards supercharger before I charge GeniePoint, but I do have home charging at 13.6p, so that wins, Dave

@mjwndave Год назад

@@davetakesiton Yeah Supercharging is much better at Charnock, wish they had some more sites though. I contacted South Ribble Council about using the back of the huge Tesco's but got ZERO back! 13.6p! well I do get night time at 7.5p which is great

@johnbaker5533 Год назад

in defence of MFG they are one of the most active at rolling out new chargers and with 4+ chargers for new installs. They have good locations on major roads. At the moment most focussing on large urban areas (London, Birmingham, Manchester, etc). They have facilities, shops, takeaway options often on site. True they are petrol forecourts mostly (but they opened a just eV only one recently) and yes smelly, etc but I think they are well placed in the future to be a decent player in the charger landscape. (and compare there offering to their competitor EG (euro garages) who are so slow with their rollout they are not even covered. The main reason for MFG to be a success is they are actually building them other networks as a whole seem too slow at getting them out there. Gridserve are probably the fastest overall at rolling out but even they are too slow with their promises - 100 electric forecourts (electric forecourts are the ideal charging experience) by 2025 or something and they are doing 1 a year if that. Especially when planning seems to have been granted on about 8 of them already (some for a year or two ago). Whoever gets the most chargers out there (with half decent reliability) will be dominate in the market. Lets see what happens to MFG in a year...

@davetakesiton Год назад

Hi John, great round up, thanks all info is useful. Yes, all too slow, but I think the future pricing seems to be in the 60-69p range, Gridserve and Fastned, dropping to around 50p with membership, and tesla in the 40-45p range. Natural selection might sort out the market for us, Dave

@Madonsteamrailways Год назад

I normally use the Instavolt charging points at the garage in North Weald Bassett. I charge up the car when I’m working on the Epping Ongar Railway.

@davetakesiton Год назад

Instavolt generally ok, bit pricey, Dave

@peteglass3496 Год назад

I tested that North Weald InstaVolt when it was originally installed, it was one of their early ones and nothing else for miles around. Glad to see it's still working well!

@00leapfrog Год назад

Well done Dave. Lets hope your subscriber numbers increase sufficiently for the charging providers to take serious notice of your feedback

@davetakesiton Год назад

Working on it. I really would like to be in the position of having more influence, Dave

@aakeister Год назад

Re the new Banbury charge site. It’s sad that it doesn’t meet the requirements of PAS 1890 2022, electric vehicle accessibility charging standard. No cover over the chargers, didn’t look like there was sufficient lighting or cctv.

@davetakesiton Год назад

Hi Alan, I have so much time taken up just filming and trying to get as many sites and networks in each day as I can, always working around the weather, that I cannot always go into as much detail as the subject deserves. Each video I try to add more content than just the price, but the list of what I want to include is very long. I would welcome any comments on what I should include, Dave

@kodzos Год назад

Dave - AppleGreen own Welcome Break service stations in the UK, as well as petrol forecourts across UK, Ireland and USA. They are trying to clear out any operator on Welcome Break site and replace them with their own chargers.

@davetakesiton Год назад

Ok, kodzis, thanks for the info, I have no problem with that, but where is their map. What are they installing, how much will it be when operational. We seem to be in a bit of a limbo. If they’re serious about EV charging they need some promo and infrastructure, it’s already been several months, Dave

@YorkshireHillbilly Год назад

Good video, enjoyed watching it. I'll just carry on using the 3-pin granny charger on my MG4. Even with the lower efficiency I'm still winning at 33p p/kWh. It's a shame I can't get a smart meter and take advantage of the super low overnight rates. My leccy cupboard isn't big enough apparently.

@davetakesiton Год назад

Hi Hillbilly, know it all too well. I used the old three pin myself while waiting for my Smart meter to be installed. Got 7mph added range, so could add anything up to 100 miles each night and some days I had driven a lot further than that, so often needed to supercharge. Now I'm on off-peak and a Tesla home charger, I get 21mph which can go from totally flat to 100% every night, not that I ever do. Tough about the smart meter, there really are some cracking deals out there. Maybe get a new meter cupboard? Dave

@YorkshireHillbilly Год назад

Yeah, I'd have to rewire the entire house to change the meter. It's not worth the hassle for paying a few pennies extra overnight.

@anoone1812 Год назад

One charger that is in the minority is eon. Junction 31a on the M6 at Starbucks. Upto 175KW and cheaper than rivals.

@shallowfakes593 6 месяцев назад

did you pay extra for the dent on the bonnet?

@andrewstafford-jones4291 10 месяцев назад

At 40p per kWh its the same as my diesel at 50mpg and if I drove it at the lower speeds of most EV's I would get 65mpg and then there are the charging losses - 5%??

@PhilGahan Год назад

50kwh GeniePoint charger in Canary Wharf still charging 0.98p per kwh. Only other fast chargers in area are locked to Tesla only. Rest are lamp post 7kwh chargers which you can never park near as the parking is a free for all and not reserved for ev’s

@davetakesiton Год назад

Phil, price cut is from 15th May, try again tomorrow. parking is an issue but if most parking spaces end up with a charger it won’t be a problem. Tesla are opening up, have patience, Dave

@thalesofmiletus2966 Год назад

Come to Glenrothes. Two public 50kw EVSE’s for a town of 38,000 people right next to the A92 where thousands travel every day. One EVSE has been bust for 1 week. Things aren’t improving very fast at all. CPS (ChargePlace Scotland) like to crow about the public network but not so about how they take ages to get fixed when they breakdown.

@davetakesiton Год назад

I would love to and in time I will. Sorry your situation is so bad, there will always be pockets of good and bad, but I'm still hopeful things will get better, Dave

@numb15 11 месяцев назад

If you’re getting less than 100kwh charge, you can’t just assume it’s Ionity’s fault. Your battery may simply have been a bit cold. I drove 3 hours and still only got 80kwh on a Tesla super charger on my Audi (which apparently is capable of supporting 135kwh)

@Joe-lb8qn Год назад

100% agreement on single units and 50kw. Whilst I might visit a bank of 4 x50 I simply wouldn't bother busy any of the individual units if they were at different locations.

@davetakesiton Год назад

thanks for your comments, Joe, I can just about see a reason for a single at a fast food outlet, but if there’s demand for one, install two, Dave

@Madonsteamrailways Год назад

Is there going to be one at the Hoddesdon Applegreen filling station, or am I going to have to charge my car still at North Weald Bassett?

@davetakesiton Год назад

Hi, sorry can't do an individual route plan, I've not been to your area yet, Dave

@stuartduncan2772 Год назад

Great video. Very helpful. I can't praise GeniePoint for reducing their prices from ridiculously expensive to still too expensive. The only way to ensure that these companies attract our business is to boycott those who don't. This is difficult when the infrastructure is still inadequate. With the vast experience that oil companies have from years of fuel sales at forecourts, you'd think they would know how to be competitive, both in terms of costs and facilities at their locations. It seems to me that until competition drives better services, we will continue to get ripped off by the big companies, but only if we let them do it.

@davetakesiton Год назад

no, Stuart, they do not deserve praise, nowhere near, but they do need recognition that they are moving, albeit in the wrong direction and way too slowly. For years they did nothing at all, Dave

@peterwalker6535 Год назад

Learn a lot by watching your videos. Thank you. Possibly a noobie question…..can any car charge at a Tesla point?

@davetakesiton Год назад

Hi, Peter not yet unfortunately but they are increasingly opening them up to all. have patience, Dave

@peterwalker6535 Год назад

@@davetakesiton Is it a physical thing (connector type), technical thing (software etc), subscription thing, or something else?

@davetakesiton Год назад

Hi Peter, sometimes all of them. the Tesla V2 is proprietary Tesla. the V3 have standard CCS plug so fits all cars except Chademo. the issue is the charger has to talk to the car to find out what battery it has , how fast it can charge, state of charge and temperature. that is not always compatible with Tesla software. think trying to run android on an apple iphone. it’s changing and getting better, Dave

@wayneberry30 10 месяцев назад

Help! I'm thinking of buying my first EV but it would have to be without home charging. Looking at your prices 65p kw upwards by my reckoning it would cost £33 to change a 51kwh car getting around 200 miles. Firstly is that correct ? Secondly that is expensive, is that my cheapest option?

@davetakesiton 10 месяцев назад

Rapid chargers are generally expensive and used where a quick charge is required. Slower chargers are generally much cheaper or free and are meant where your car is parked for several hours, eg. Your work car park, outside cinema or restaurant or overnight while you sleep. Look for cheaper chargers you should find less than half that price

@Lewis_Standing Год назад

Fastned aren't that rare in the north east! I wonder if their business development guy just gets the ferry to Newcastle from Amsterdam to scout out locations. There is the leaf factory in Sunderland, otherwise I've no idea why they chose up here!

@davetakesiton Год назад

thanks, Lewis, I hope they grow. good sites, great chargers even better price, Dave

@EVPHASE 3 месяца назад

Why is pricing there so high, Tesla superchargers are .31 - .39 cents/Kw in Chicago

@TonyandDar Год назад

Hi Dave, what is the extension thing you place onto your cable before you charge ? Am receiving my MG4 tomorrow ( newbie EV owner ) the MG4 has a CCS, do I need to buy an extension same as you? Thanks and great helpful videos. 👍

@davetakesiton Год назад

No Tony you have no need. All cars and chargers are now CCS2 so you can use them with no adapter. Mine is an older car with a Tesla proprietary socket so I need an adapter to convert that to CCS2. I can use older Tesla chargers without an adapter but newer ones are CCS2. Enjoy your car I hear great things about them. Let me know how you get on, Dave

@TonyandDar Год назад

@@davetakesiton thanks so much for your quick reply Dave, yes I’ve still never even sat in an EV as yet, and am still trying to get my head around the user manual plus learning from your great channel in regards to rapid charging as I don’t have a home charger…. Finding out I can use the Tesla superchargers is a game changer for my travels back home to the North West as they have quite a few chargers at their locations and there is always a charger available, so all good so far for myself as a newbie, Thanks Dave and keep your videos coming. 🙏🙏

@davetakesiton Год назад

@@TonyandDar Thanks for your support, Tony, big 24 bay Supercharger in Trafford Centre Manchester open to all, enjoy your EV, Dave

@nickmurphy7177 Год назад

What amazed me is pod point in Tesco sites is 44/kWh for only 7kw chargers! More than off peak Tesla superchargers!!

@davetakesiton Год назад

too true, Nick, and charge off-peak at Tesla and it could be 20p for 250kW. It pays to shop around, but it’s a shame chargers don’t have to advertise their prices like petrol stations do, Dave

@dressthedaughters 8 месяцев назад

Does that mean Osprey have better output than Tesla?

@decimal1815 10 месяцев назад

I like EV chargers installed on existing petrol forecourts. In fact, I think all garages should be required to install 1 charger for every petrol pump, then we'd have chargers everywhere they're needed.

@davetakesiton 10 месяцев назад

and stink of petrol and diesel and exhaust fumes every time we charge, not for me

@L.A.T.E.84 Год назад

Considering getting an EV as on PCP its similar and cost effective in the long run. Seen other videos about having a raft of RFID cards but I've got an Octopus Electroverse card ready and waiting but that looks like it won't work with many charges, what RFID cards do you recommend to get?

@davetakesiton Год назад

Hi, Lukas, great decision, I wish you all the best. Dearer initial price is offset by the higher residual value and no servicing. I've just met an Uber driver who told me servicing his wife's leased Mercedes A class AMG costs £350 for an interim and £1,100 for a major service. I've long since stopped using RFID and most charging networks have also. I believe that charging should be as easy as pulling into a petrol station. I also believe chargers should clearly advertise the price as you arrive, just like petrol stations. I either use the app or contactless, both are accepted on all chargers, Dave

@peteglass3496 Год назад

I'll offer one vote for RFID cards. You certainly don't need a clutch of them anymore but one or two from one of the better aggregators could be handy and Electroverse is good especially if you have an Octopus electricity account because you might sometimes get a small discount. They are a fallback if nothing else works, bad contactless terminal, poor mobile signal in an underground carpark etc. Some operators shun the aggregators so there isn't one that covers all networks but they might save you from installing an app that you'll hardly ever use.

@archiefleming652 6 месяцев назад

You talk of road trips, here in Australia driving Sydney - Melbourne or Sydney - Brisbane for a Sat night concert is not uncommon, 900 km each way. My longest non-stop drive was Rockhamton to Sydney, 1500 km in a VW, I had a friend drive nonstop Darwin to Brisbane 3300km. An EV would add hours to these trips & if you have long stops it can affect your concetration

@davetakesiton 6 месяцев назад

Yes, to do that sort of mileage in the UK we would have to drive round in circles

@Sidewinder1009oli Год назад

Some charge networks installing slow and expensive chargers, like everyone drives a 2018 leaf with only 60 miles range left

@davetakesiton Год назад

Yes, Sidewinder, so annoying. Tesla, Fastned and Gridserve are going mainly for the 250kW and above as standard, and charge 69p or less, while others still see 50kW as good enough and 75p+. Just stop using them but tell them why, Dave

@DumfriesDik Год назад

Nice one Dave!

@davetakesiton Год назад

cheers, Dave

@MmKarlmost 7 месяцев назад

I pay around £1.27 per full charge at 350kw chargers

@Ej-en2lz 8 месяцев назад

If you own a Tesla, when it’s on a “Tesla” supercharger. If you stop the charge within the app. You can leave it there as long as you want. If you’re going into a shopping mall and you know you have to run back to the car to move it…. Nah, just press stop charging in the app. Free parking and no idle fees…. However, don’t be inconsiderate if there’s loads of people

@racer100152 7 месяцев назад

I've regularly (2-3 times per month) seen 200kW charging speeds at Ionity sites in my BMW i4 this year :) my £0.02 worth. I've also made much use of them because I've been able to charge at £.26p per kWh with my BMW charging account... has gone to .40p per kWh now but still great value and new site coming on stream in Q1 2024 :).

@makestuffwork9205 8 месяцев назад

As a new EV user in the Manchester area I've been shocked at the prices of public charging. Noticeably the Be.EV network which took over managing charging points from Manchester council. With buzz words like "community" and their about us tab on the website claiming "We're on a mission to make EV charging simple, reliable, effortless and available to everyone", they generously charge £0.82/kWh. Ouch !! I noticed that phrase doesn't include the word "affordable" . Luckily I can charge at home for local journeys but surely these prices are putting off EV adoption on the whole. Many people will only see that public the charging cost is on a par with and sometimes more than petrol and diesel. (depending on the MPG of that particular vehicle of course)

@davetakesiton 8 месяцев назад

Manchester is rough for EVs and not getting better any time soon

@cjpampling Год назад

What is the adaptor that you put on the charging lead?

@davetakesiton Год назад

hi Craig, my car is an older model and only has the proprietary Tesla socket. I use an adapter that converts that to CCS so I can use any charger in Europe, Dave

@pauleast4372 Год назад

Just stopped North of Dijon in France. Flat rate at New Engie installation 55 euro per kwhr. Makes one deeply suspicious that uk government has a finger in trying to price out EVs?

@davetakesiton Год назад

Hi Paul, thanks for your input. I know for a fact that we apply VAT at 5% to our electricity and Europe doesn't, so might explain some, but not all. Also €0.55 would be about 46p plus 5% VAT is only 49p, so yes, big difference. Be interesting to find the price of domestic electricity in France to compare that, Dave

@dressthedaughters 8 месяцев назад

Why do you require an extension please ?

@davetakesiton 8 месяцев назад

Yes, to find who is successful just look as you drive and see what other EVs are on the road.

@kennethausten 10 месяцев назад

Many Gone back to diesel. Not allowed a charge Point at home. No local charger. Was a 6 Mile trip to charge. Not viable unless something is done. Seems nothing will be done. These friends have swapped back to petrol or diesel for the time being.

@davetakesiton 10 месяцев назад

I once lived 11 miles from my nearest petrol station and didn't give up driving. Strange?

@vanmore5124 Год назад

Dave have you seen the new hydrogen filling stations that make hydrogen on site? I know the US is moving ahead in a big way but do you think the UK and continental Europe, will do the same? I like the idea. You can hook your solar up to produce hydrogen and then use it to heat your home and maybe even drive your car. I don't think personally it looks like this will be here soon but longer term it seems like a great solution to charging issues.

@davetakesiton Год назад

yes, Van, I looked at it about 10 years ago when I had access to an 8kW off grid PV. didn’t make sense then, not sure now. problem is the maximum amount of power a roof generates is fixed, the winter output in 🇬🇧 is negligible and hydrogen storage is hugely expensive. I might look into it, Dave

@vanmore5124 Год назад

@@davetakesiton I think they are planning on using excess solar in Australia to make hydrogen, but yes here it is a different ball game. My understanding is that stored hydrogen is cheaper than stored power in batteries, but I could be wrong. I know the systems for home solar to hydrogen are about £100,000 and so it rules it out anytime soon for practically everyone. It would be nice if it got a whole lot cheaper but probably a long wait.

@PhilGahan Год назад

Hydrogen is going to be like the Betamax vs vhs again. Vhs (ev) Will best hydrogen. It costs a hugely more to make hydrogen than it does to charge ev’s. Also hydrogen has a massive impact on the environment in how it’s manufactured.

@vanmore5124 Год назад

@@PhilGahan That's interesting. Do you mean when it's not green hydrogen or something else?

@peterwalker6535 Год назад

@@PhilGahan I tend to agree but for this reason: Hydrogen has a wide range of flammable concentrations in air and lower ignition energy than petrol or natural gas, which means it can ignite more easily. Consequently, adequate ventilation and leak detection are important elements in the design of safe hydrogen systems. In an accident, petrol can be bad enough…..but the consequences for a hydrogen tank failure would be catastrophic.

@user-xv1up9vf9h Год назад

Get a Eli card and charge at 0.43p of most of the charging stations

@davetakesiton Год назад

Hi Syed, interesting, have you used this in 🇬🇧 the only prices I can see are Euros and German tariff’s. please let me know, Dave

@user-xv1up9vf9h Год назад

@davetakesiton Yes, I'm using it every day at Osprey Station it's owned by the VW group, and I can use the whole EU and at Ionity Station charge with 0.31p. Get £12.99 subscription.

@yggdrasil9039 Год назад

Still a very very very very very very very very long way to go, I think you mean. Huge gaps on all our motorways, where you have to take a turn off the motorway and drive dozens of miles off the highway to find a fast charger. Charging stations not working, or token 22kW chargers hidden round the back of warehouses in the dark. Then you call up and the app won't load and the instructions aren't clear or ridiculously complex. I'm not talking last year. This was my experience 3 weeks ago.

@davetakesiton Год назад

hi, ygg having completed a month on the road specifically testing chargers, I never failed to get a charge, anywhere and all motorway services have chargers, most had at least one free when I got there. what charger map did you use? might need to find another. instructions? plug in, swipe your card, done, hope that helps, Dave

@yggdrasil9039 Год назад

@@davetakesiton Shell recharge, expensive, but at least they worked. Osprey, same. Others I found not so good. A better route planner was underwhelming and difficult to use. Google maps was about the best, along with the polestar 2's own map (which I think is based on Google anyway.) Chargepoint blackholes. Where do I start? Where are the motorway fast charge points between Bristol and Reading on the M4 heading East? Very few and far between. We ended up driving around Newbury at 11pm about 8 miles off the M4 roaming around for a chargepoint. Seriously not impressed. This is exactly what puts people off buying an EV. The infrastructure is pretty rubbish for the ordinary average motorist who just wants to get from A to B and doesn't want to do 3 year undergraduate degree in EV chargepoints.

@niceboy60 Год назад

charging prices are ramping up at a Scary & Unsustainable rate 😬🤨

@davetakesiton Год назад

Hi, nice guy, not sure where you got that from, Tesla just dropped prices again, this time by up to 25% on top of last year’s 30% drop, my charging is getting cheaper by the day, Dave 😁😁😁👍

@martyndavies1482 Год назад

OMG, its the UKs very own Kyle Connor! More!

@davetakesiton Год назад

Thanks, I think, Martin although I have no idea who Kyle Connor is, Dave

@martyndavies1482 Год назад

@@davetakesiton Search for Out of Spec Motoring.

@davetakesiton Год назад

Ah, then its a definite compliment, I watch him, Dave

@honesty_-no9he 10 месяцев назад

800 volt would impose a compromise on the majority. The INSTAVOLTS with the heavy cable are BYD charging stations adapted to the UK standards. In China they use the gb/t DC charging standard and I recognise the cable head as an adapted to CCS2 version of it. The gb/t system is basically CHADEMO on steroids. Chinese people maybe smaller but they are tougher and more athletic well into old age. Those BYD chargers look like the public chargers in China with INSTA wrap on them. When I say public I mean government run. Posh EV brands in China have much more stylish and sexy looking charging stations that they run, which are open to all brands of EV to use. A recent survey revealed that among non NIO users of NIO charging stations BYD and TESLA owners topped their customers.

@georgethompson453 11 месяцев назад

I always feel sorry for those people sitting in their cars at motorway stations waiting for their cars to charge up whilst I drive off in my diesel van.

@davetakesiton 11 месяцев назад

You having spent £80 while they have a Starbucks coffee and sticky bun and fill up for about £15 total, no wonder they look happy

@stephengowler5360 Год назад

I really am bemused Dave. You rave about the Redbridge P&R (it is excellent), but gloss over its truly appalling toilets etc, yet you hammer (quite rightly) the Shell Recharge site.

@davetakesiton Год назад

hi, Stephen, I rave about the Fastned installation. it is powerful clearly marked and has 10 bays sharing 300kW and a great price. I have no argument with Fastned. the Oxford site is a disgrace but not under Fastned control. they cannot control Oxford council. shell control both, dave

@garyrobinson9527 11 месяцев назад

Good Stuff Dave, keep on making these reports ,and shaming the rip off merchants..Someone said to me..where do you live. I said R O B...no such place he said I replied that's short for Rip Off Britain...

@Klymenko1927 9 месяцев назад

the more EVs, the more expensive electricity is, and this causes an increase in demand and a shortage, which will cause a problem for all consumers, not only EV owners

@davetakesiton 9 месяцев назад

Yet the largest manufacturer in the world charges less this year than ever

@honesty_-no9he 10 месяцев назад

"Things are getting better" as you show images of GridServe installing Always Be Broken brand stations...will they ever learn? Yes we need a lot more FASTNED with their Alpitronic stations. YES I AGREE. FASTNED's flaw is the lack of human amneties.

@davetakesiton 10 месяцев назад

Gridserve have more brand new 350kW chargers than all except Tesla, trouble with Fastned is less than 20 charging stations in UK. My nearest Fastned is well over 100 miles

@mgtowstanleyzoltanov9808 Год назад

So how much it costs you to full charge?

@davetakesiton Год назад

I pay 13.6p per kWh and have an 80kWh battery. So if totally empty, which it never is, and I charge to totally full, which I never do, I would pay 82 x 13.6p = £11 which is good for about 240 miles, making 5p per mile. My wife's petrol car does 50mpg, she pays £1.48 per litre so each mile costs 14p, Dave

@hmmmm6164 Год назад

So if you used a tesla supercharger, you will pay more than a petrol or diesel? 80 x .65 = 52 pound for only 240 miles. My car does 350 to 400 miles for 52 pound. Its shocking electric is more then petrol/diesel. Only saving is from home charging if you cant charge at home then petrol for life I think lol

@Brian-om2hh Год назад

I use Octopus Energy Intelligent tariff, which costs me 7.5p per kwh. I have 6 hours per night at that rate. A full charge into my car - Kia eNiro - typically costs £6 to £7 and does me for almost 250 miles...... I rarely bother with public charging, although my local Sainsburys has free charging and 3 hours free parking..... Sticking purely with charging at home, I can cover 1000 miles of town and general motoring for £40 or less......

@lharris828 Год назад

My Kona has a max of 75kWh so the high numbers don't help many people.

@davetakesiton Год назад

Hi, I agree but why do we see people heading to high power chargers? people think it’s faster. if you look at many of my charging sessions I typically get 60-80kW rarely get over 100 and drop to 20s at the end. 75 is good, Dave

@octarinehk Год назад

I’m in an Ioniq 5 which can pull pretty high kW and have yet to see anything beyond 200 kW out of even a claimed 350 charger. 150kW seems like the sweet spot for chargers at the moment letting most EV on the road have access to something close to their max charging potential. 2 x 150/175 definitely preferred over a single 350 imo

@TraderJono Год назад

Basically buy a Tesla 🤣 btw Dave loving the nose cone legacy MS i too have one 😃👍

@davetakesiton Год назад

yes, Joni, good old fashioned, equipped with air suspension, plenty of space dashboard and central displays, and mine is the 7 seater, great with the grandkids, Dave

@keegan773 6 месяцев назад

I’ve seen chargers being installed all over the country. Shame so many of them are unserviceable. This whole thing is a huge con.

@KangoV Год назад

Long journeys use diesel, short use electric. Stick to this and life is good.

@honesty_-no9he 10 месяцев назад

Even 75p is diabolical.

@honesty_-no9he 10 месяцев назад

Some of these charging networks are as stuck in the past as Dave's 1980s New Romantics refugee haircut.

@bobosborne1573 Год назад

i want the kids to mine the colbvat faster so us better off in west can have better charging etc

@davetakesiton Год назад

wow, Bob, how original, batteries now have no cobalt, but I assume you’re totally happy with oil companies destroying our environment and your fumes killing people, Dave

@Brian-om2hh Год назад

@@davetakesiton He probably hasn't a clue the big oil companies are the largest users of mined minerals on the planet, and that they've mined cobalt for decades.....or that air pollution at street level in many major towns and cities are now at crucial levels, and will be unbreathable in another 10 to 15 years if we don't do something about it... It won't be us who die in their 40's or 50's, it'll be our grandchildren.......

@Sidewinder1009oli Год назад

Black knight is a long way from hooooome

@davetakesiton Год назад

But heading in the right direction, cheers, Dave

@davidsworld5837 Год назад

maybe end the video with a cost per company list. the cost of charging is too high to me seems more like profiteering. energy cost have been coming down yet prices are still high. not every one needs a fast charger some times a 7 kW will do. i find that Tesco jump from 28p to 44p disgusting. and now rarely see cars on the chargers at there stores. in Scotland were you can still get as low as 16p a unit on a 7kW as far better. big companies should be able to buy bulk or just generate it themselves.

@davetakesiton Год назад

hi David, I agree with your comments. I’m doing a little bit towards making it better. hopefully if the channel grows I can start applying more serious pressure. thanks for your support, Dave

@terrymoore861 Год назад

Electric vehicles. If we all have electric vehicles since it takes 30 minutes to charge at a public charge station and only 5 minutes to fill a tank of fuel, each charging station will need 6 times as many charge points. Motorway stations with 12 fuel pumps will need 60 charge points!

@davetakesiton Год назад

Nice thought Terry, but way off the mark. Modern cars can charge 20% to 70% in 10 to 15 minutes, even at public chargers. Also, hardly any cars charge on route, just like hardly any cars fill up with petrol at a motorway service station, the price is ridiculous for both of us. With a range of approaching 400 miles on a single charge, many cars can get to their destination without using public chargers at all. And if you cannot charge at home, why not go away from peak time and take advantage of cheaper off-peak rates now being offered by some charging networks. I think many people forget that when the first petrol cars hit the roads, there were no, none, zero petrol stations. They came later. EV charging is in the early days, have patience, Dave

@Klymenko1927 9 месяцев назад

people, learn physics! the faster the charge, the higher the voltage, the greater the loss in converting alternating current to direct current, so faster chargers lose more electricity, so they are more expensive

@davetakesiton 9 месяцев назад

So please explain to me, as I don’t understand, how Tesla has the fastest network in the world and charges 20-30p per kWh less than other networks offering a similar number of 7kW only chargers

@Klymenko1927 9 месяцев назад

@@davetakesiton tesla is dumping the market! it was the same with their cars, when they received a subsidy from the US Government, so-called ZEV credits, there was a study that in 2021, tesla received more subsidies than the profit from the sale of cars! the same with superchargers, they are aimed at capturing the market and can trading at cost price, but gradually they also become more expensive if you look at the research on charging with a supercharger, it also does not give 150 kw/h over the entire range, you will get 150 kw only from 10% to 20% charge, then the speed will decrease and average 70 kw/h

@Ej-en2lz 8 месяцев назад

98pence!!!! Tesla is still 28pence

@ALIENdrifter66 Год назад

The fact that you can't pay in cash says it all. EVs are all about control

@davetakesiton Год назад

strange thought, but isn't it the oil companies who all are members of OPEC whose only mission is to keep up the price of oil by cutting production? I call that a monopoly, thank good ness electricity isn't controlled, Dave

@ALIENdrifter66 Год назад

@@davetakesiton 1st. Electricity is controlled by governments in all the countries and they generate monopolies 2nd. Check EV station and related companies investors, you might get a surprise relative to your point. 3rd. What does pricing have to do with limiting the payment options and forcing the user to give banks, charging stations and ultimately the government your data to charge a vehicle?

@unclefurbiesvoice9902 7 месяцев назад

Electric should be much cheaper than petrol & you should be able to charge with cash. Otherwise do not buy.

@myvideos9811 Год назад

CHARGING YOUR EV. I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER. LIKE THE BOTTLES OF PROPAINE AND CALOR IF YOU PURCHASH ONE BOTTLE AS A ONE OFF YOU THEN CAN EXCHANGE THAT BOTTLE FOR A FULL BOTTLE. SO IF THEY CAN MAKE ALL BATTERY,S UNIVERSAL YOU THEN CAN GO TO A GARAGE AND HAVE THAT ONE REPLACED WITH A FULLY CHARGE ONE. AT A COST OF COURSE. YES, NO?

@davetakesiton Год назад

Many have tried but the logistics and economics don't work. Nio still tinkers with this, but they are on the point of giving up also. The future seems to be batteries that can recharge is 10-15 minutes and loads and loads of chargers. We already have Teslas that add 200 miles in 15 minutes, just need an awful lot more chargers, and they're on their way, thanks for your comment, Dave

@marekkompus6109 11 месяцев назад

Most of them cost you more then petrol or diesel !!! Non sense political interest!!! Example 64kw x 0.79p=£55 and you’ll get like 250miles ,,,if I’ll fill up my Octavia £55 diesel I’ll get 550 miles ,,,,,where is this heading to ??

@davetakesiton 11 месяцев назад

You must love making up figures. Octopus charge 5p per kWh off-peak, as do British Gas. I prefer reality. You may want to see this month's August Price Review out on Sunday where I publish my actual figures for the last 12 months, with proof, spoiler alert I paid 7p per mile. At 50mpg you pay 14p per mile. Unless your Octavia does 100mpg? EVs Work for me, I'm loving it.

@marekkompus6109 11 месяцев назад

@@davetakesiton yes shore you probably you got drive or garage with charging pod ,,what about people living in block flats ???? Do you think the EV are made only for those who own house with garage or drive ? You can only get this fee like £0.7p otherwise £0.37p up ⬆️

@wimlaskila6374 Год назад

the poor will never change to ev

@davetakesiton Год назад

neither will they ever buy an executive business jet, nor a 16 bedroom mansion, should we ban them? Dave

@roborat2000 Год назад

A bit hypocritical when we all criticise oil & gas companies when we live in a society completely reliant on their output. Let's stop and think for a moment how energy, on all it's forms, is affordable at the point of use. We all live comfy lives that requires 100 Million barrels of oil PER DAY. I suggest we stop consuming energy before we start moaning about the destruction of the planet.

@davetakesiton Год назад

hi Roborat, no not completely reliant at all, Tesla is a net producer, making more clean green electricity from PV panels than they and their cars use. if only every company did the same we would have a clean green planet and no need for oil companies or their filthy fuels, Dave

@roborat2000 Год назад

@@davetakesiton - not sure what fantasy green planet you're on. Telsa scope 3 emmisions is 30 GTns of CO2 in 2022. That's the total emissions from it's supply chain - companies that supply the parts to build your car. The point is this, the only reason you can charge you car at ~£0.63/KWh because 100M barrels of oil is extracted everyday. Energy prices are driven by all our demand. Complaining about O&G companies is like a drug addict complaining about drug dealers sourcing and selling drugs.

@davetakesiton Год назад

Yes, and lets see you live without using any energy or breathing out CO2, Dave

@philgreenfield8704 Год назад

I wonder how long this fad is going to last? Where do they get the electricity from? Fossil fuels. Doh!

@davetakesiton Год назад

hi Phil have you never heard of PV farms and wind farms? Do you understand that the UK now produces more green electricity than oil and gas? Have you realised that utility companies offer green tariffs? You're many years out of date, Dave

@stevezodiac491 Год назад

What utter sh1te, the charger/ electric car ratio is reducing markedly, with cars increasing at a much faster rate than chargers and thus the charging situation is getting worse, not better, on the numbers front. As for reliability no change there, you still can't rely on a charger to be working, when you arrive at it, even if zap map says it is o. k. This leads to long wait times and delays as you well know. I have given up using my EV long distance because of my negative experience of the charging infrastructure, my EV is now used tethered to it's home charger range. If I want to do a long journey, it is in the diesel with a 650 mile, no hassle, no anxiety range, giving me quicker and much more direct journey times.

@davetakesiton Год назад

Hi Steve, I don't appreciate bad language. You have your experience, I have mine. Out on the road, several days long distance a week, my experience is very different to yours. Thanks for watching, all comments are welcome, Dave

@SuperBartet Год назад

Yet another video that convinces me not to buy a EV.

@davetakesiton Год назад

Hi, I’m sure you were already convinced before watching my video, dave

@SuperBartet Год назад

@@davetakesiton OK yes I was, I ran a Corsa EV for 3 months, I hated everything about it, I now have a Mazda Hybrid, fantastic car :)

@davetakesiton Год назад

hi, if you’re happy with it, enjoy it, Dave

@Brian-om2hh Год назад

So, this video has convinced you *not* to buy an EV then? Perhaps you ought to take a look at Shell's last business report? In it, Shell state how they plan to cut the production of petrol and diesel by 40% on the lead up to 2030. Shell were one of the organisations who lobbied the Government to bring *forward* the ban on the sale of new ICE cars and vans to 2030, from 2035...... The National Grid were another organisation who did the same.....

@stephensmith7919 Год назад

@@Brian-om2hh Ban Ice sales 2030 HA HA that's not going to happen, ho look I can see a flying elephant.

@Hellndegenerates 8 месяцев назад

Only the jabbed buy ev's

@davetakesiton 8 месяцев назад

I must be jabbed whatever that means

@mrfoameruk 10 месяцев назад

just bought a used EV a week ago because of ulez for our local journeys. Just thought I'd check the local car park and try charging. What a nightmare. it said Source London on it and I tried to figure it out and had to install an app. All i wanted was to charge it for 20 minutes to check it was working (car end) and get used to how it's done. It was saying all stuff like needing to register, subscription fees, idle fees, booking fees, minimum stays etc. It would not allow me to just tap my card on it and choose how long i was staying. No wonder people sell their EVs. Everything has been great so far but charging seems to be a disaster. Since we will just be doing short journeys we will be ok since charging at home, but god forbid we ever have to use another darlek again.

@davetakesiton 10 месяцев назад

Chargers at home don’t use them, perfect

@Szymek74 Год назад

Some public rapid charging hubs make it more expensive to charge an EV than it does to fill up a petrol or diesel ICE. Surely charger sharing using apps like joosup is the answer!

@davetakesiton Год назад

hi, Si, not sure it is an answer. not everyone with a home charger gets really good rates, not all chargers are accessible, not all chargers are available. this might catch on, I hope it does, but I doubt it, Dave

@Szymek74 Год назад

@@davetakesiton The thing is ICE drivers have got used to the habit of 'just in time' refuelling. Owning an EV is different and will require an habitual reset since the time required to charge is longer. The @JoosupUK concept is about bookable destination charging. So you charge and park simultaneously close to your destination, cutting out the hassle of stops during your journey. Most pay & display public car parks for example, cost anywhere between £2-3 per hour in some areas. If a public charger is there, add more on top. But then there's the issue of availability (is someone using it, has it been ICEd as they frequently are?) and functionality (is it out of order, has it been vandalised?). If an EV driver can book their electrified charging in advance knowing they're guaranteed a place to park and charge at destination, this eliminates those concerns. Just my two cents worth.

@Brian-om2hh Год назад

This is true, but in reality you're not going to use such chargers all the time are you? Who for example, buys all their petrol from a motorway service station?