I'm from a former British colony and we have statues and monuments that show or celebrate the division the colonialists create when they came. However, instead of tearing it down, we learn from them and strive to better ourselves as a citizen of a republic.
This was like 200 300 years ago. There is still black to black slavery happening in Africa. Don’t believe me? Look it up. While you are complaining about something in the world 200 years ago. Black people are suffering because of their own race in Africa.
Before Rhodes the population of what's now Zimbabwe was tiny. Since Rhodes and his company developed it the population increased to the millions. Rhodesia did not need food aid, Zimbabwe does now.
Yet the same people protesting would happily accept scholarships under his name. And to those responding to people defending the statues who say "it's a just a statue", why are you so passionate about removing it?
Mandela is my hero. I came from Zimbabwe now I want you know that Robert Mugabe was tyrant and a dictator. I was born in Zimbabwe. The one time he was to go into Matabele land and slaughtered 20, 000 men, women and children it was ethnic cleansing. Mugabe was evil
@@startmakingsense2071 Rhodes money paid for that building.. s/ why shouldn't his statue be there? you don't like it. .tear down the whole building then...
This seems like a bit of distraction from the original message. Aren't we meant to tackling modern day racism? Because that building with its statue was built in that era. It's not a representation of modern life, its historic. Ahhh whatever the message is getting lost... Do what you want with Cecil Rhodes but don't touch Winston Churchill. He helped bring an end to a fascist racist regime in Europe.
British Coastline Never. Churchill is like Blair is another British War Criminal escaped World Justice ignored by British Justice. Take all these Idol statue down ! Mad Dog Churchill an Smoker and Arrogant supremacist !
A call to all English people , get out and protect your history , all history is not good , all history is not fair , some history is brutal , but it is our history and it cant be changed , protect our history and stop letting these yobs destroy and attack police .
You all are silent when US, UK destroy everything in Iraq, Yemen, Palestine, yet you cry when your police and the statues are destroyed. Police deserve it. You deserve it.
End systemic racism and give these people what they ask for. After, I hope we lead a campaign directed for Africa and forcing them to pay for Moorish invasion and colonialism of Sicily and other parts of Southern Europe. Remember? “Back in the day”.
The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom. Remember, when you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It is only painful for others. The same applies when you are stupid. Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain - and most fools do. If we are supposed to judge everyone who has been dead for hundreds of years against the values that we hold dear today, then there really is no end.
@@startmakingsense2071 presentism is the anachronistic introduction of present-day ideas and perspectives into depictions or interpretations of the past
@@startmakingsense2071 the following is most likely far above your capability to comprehend yet ill post anyway. we have to examine the meaning of the action taken by the historical figure in its context to get more of a sense of his character. The distinction here is twofold: first, between the judgment of an action as moral or immoral and the judgment of a person having a good or bad character; and second, between the action as an expression of a moral principle and the expression of a cultural trend. the cultural standard sanctioned such behavior. I would accept that that meant that the culture was wrong, but I do think it means we cannot blame the people who act according to that standard as much as we would if they lived today. I don't think that means we can't judge them at all; after all, the status of the action is still unquestionably morally wrong and that means the actor is still wrong in some way. But he was not acting with the same knowledge of how wrong it was that we have now
The Cecil John Rhodes statue was removed from the University of Cape Town in South Africa, 5 years ago when similar protests took place at the university calling for the statue to be taken down.
My opinion might offend some but let us at least allow history be history regardless of whether it was dark or bright and work to reshape the future to what we desire it to be. Without the transatlantic slave trade or colonialism history was still dark compared to what we are living in.
have you ever seen white people try and contact tribes in the amazon. they have never seen a white man before and FREAK OUT they think that there ghosts, or some evil spirit. are they racist? or just ignorant to the world? the same with the uk 150 years ago.. there were literally no black people walking around, its human nature to see differences and judge. uk has moved on from racism to basically single handed take on the nazis. but they forget that when smashing Churchills statue
Well done to whoever has taken the decision to keep the Cecil Rhodes statue in place. Cecil Rhodes lived in a time that was very different from today. "People" cant erase history no matter how much they protest. Surely they could use their time and energy doing something more constructive rather than trying to divide people.
The British Empire was built on exploiting and robbing other Countries, and even its own Citizens with super high taxes. It's good to see The U.K. will now Fall Apart, it's just sad there are so many people around the world that did not live to see it. Just check out how much the British made off that Slave Trade alone and Robbing India, which even they called "The Crown Jewel of the Empire", and how the British ROBBED Iran's Oil for YEARS
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And looted the minerals from there to become immensely rich. But we are supposed to be grateful bcoz evry year few guys from developing countries are giving fellowship through the Rhodes foundation to study their dream career. A lil apology and acknowledge ment would be great . Trust me
Phil 502 The healers of Africa were very knowledgeable about herbs, trees, roots and their medicinal purposes. Even though this knowledge is perishing in this age it is still useful as many African people prefer consulting traditional healers whose remedies are often cheaper, more effective with less to no side-effects in comparison to Western medicine. One case which well illustrates the greatness of African medicine is that of childbirth. It is almost certain that we mastered caesarean sections independently. Africans were masters of it as far back as 1897, as recorded by Robert Felkin in The Development of Scientific Medicine in the African Kingdom of Bunyoro Kitara. The poetry in the procedure is that tools were not scalpels, ether and overpriced beds. Banana wine (yes) was used as an anaesthetic, reeds were used to perform episiotomies and bleeding was stopped by cauterising with hot irons. The patient was stitched up with iron spikes, root paste applied and bark used to bandage the wound.
Phil 502 Egypt was also the first civilisation to devise a 365 day/ twelve month calendar. The Decalogue, or Ten Commandments themselves are too similar to parts of the Egyptian Book of the Dead to be coincidental, and since the Decalogue is a later publication modern copyright laws would condemn it of plagiarism. The Egyptians were so advanced in fields such as astronomy, physics and mathematics that the three pyramids of Giza align directly with the Three Kings constellation, as if it is not amazing enough that no one alive today has a clear idea on how those monolithic works of architecture were constructed. Some have even suggested extra-terrestrial assistance. Some critics willing to accept have gone on to suggest that the builders of the pyramids were not black, because like a certain Nobel laureate believe people think with their skin and Hollywood propaganda continues to undermine the black man. Yet the work of David Diop PROVES that the ancient Egyptians were melanin-rich ‘brothers’ even though the round noses of the sphinxes were blow off.
AEW sMark The problem with determining how many people the British Empire killed, is dealing with directly killing them, or indirectly through things like starvation, then you have to add up places like India, China, The Middle East, The America's, Africa, Australia, Asia, Ireland, Europe, you'd be adding up numbers for quite a long time. All of these worthless racist devils are proud of their atrocious history of criminality. Take all these Idol statues down ! Mad Dog Churchill an Smoker and Arrogant supremacist, just as Rhodes!
The removal of statues, paintings, artworks, books, etc, because they offend some people is a currently contentious issue. We live in a democracy. A vocal minority should not dictate how a society should reward it's past heroes. The decision should be democratic. Here is a simple way of achieving this - Any citizen should be able to start a petition on their local government website to, for example, remove a particular statue. If and when the petition achieves more than 50% of the local constituents, then it should be removed. If it does not achieve more than 50% then the statue should remain, and the petition taken down after a stated period, (let's say 3 months). Inexpensive, fair, and democratic.
3 months is too short... can't keep having petitions every short period of time...the statue could be going up and down like a yo-yo.. maybe petition every 2-3 years.. but then need a place to store the statues if ppl vote to put it back up.. it gets a bit ridiculous ... you don't like a statue or something close your eyes as you pass it..
@@btaitken8842 I'd be glad to see the statues destroyed to bits. Because what you're seeing is nothing compared to what UK, Israel, US did in Iraq, Palestine, Syria, Yemen
I guess he is the one of those who play constructive role in representing white men burden doctrine and I dunno why uncle Sam is white plz also prohibit him as personalization of usa
Had those children ever opened a history book, they'd known Rhodes supported allowing Blacks to Vote, and supported home rule for colonies, rather than a centralized imperial system headed by Westminster. He also wasn't some h"tler of the 19th century, ideas of racial supremacy were purparted by the leading academics of the time, like Darwin
There is a large statue of Shaka, an African tribal leader of the Zulus, at Camden Market in London, England. Shaka murdered a woman by tossing her to den of captured Hyenas, he also had woman & their husbands killed if there was a pregnancy during the mourning period for his mother. He also had 7000 black people killed who did not show sufficient grief for his mother. Now how come rioters are not going after this statue?, not white enough for them?
Lets get the history behind us and instead having statues made with colourful paper in the shape of cannabis cocaine plants adorned with all the new trendy acid tablets and all that. May be embellished with a basket full of machete, knives and more offensive weapons. This is history we are living in and its quiet trendy nowadays.
@@evilconcarne123 Was looking into BLM last night, massively funded, old ideas of creating chaos and disunity of communism. Actually communist, maoist, but funded by global capitalists. How often one finds this, and always obsessed prioritising Genderism and destruction of documentation, family, history. And so many falling for it!
History is taught in schools and our museums we don't need to have statues in the street that represents enslavement to members of our communities, how can we move past our racist history and into the future unless we remove those symbols that cause untold pain to others, this isn't about forgetting history though is it, go on be honest?
@@rotties-rules Have you a clue? UK is pretty good on racism, first abolitionists and ever decreasing crime rates. Stop stirting hate. Perhaps concentrate on the CCP or tr8bal Africa - lots of actual racism.
@@btaitken8842its not stirring hate its opening our eyes to how other people perceive these statues differently, removing the statues is the next step forward, progress shouldn't be this hard to understand, I wonder why when I'm in support of removing these statues because they cause pain I'm the one stirring up hate, your holding onto long dead racists says more about you than me.
@Khalifa's Koffee what does Arab royals did to the world when compared to Elizabeth and her family who were the leaders of the elite empire of Britain at a time where colonization was their main thrive and their greediness which made UK rich and African countries poor till today .
. we have to examine the meaning of the action taken by the historical figure in its context to get more of a sense of his character. The distinction here is twofold: first, between the judgment of an action as moral or immoral and the judgment of a person having a good or bad character; and second, between the action as an expression of a moral principle and the expression of a cultural trend. the cultural standard sanctioned such behavior. I would accept that that meant that the culture was wrong, but I do think it means we cannot blame the people who act according to that standard as much as we would if they lived today. I don't think that means we can't judge them at all; after all, the status of the action is still unquestionably morally wrong and that means the actor is still wrong in some way. But he was not acting with the same knowledge of how wrong it was that we have now
example lincoln led the way to end slavery yet he wanted to deport all freed slave Long before the Civil War, in 1854, Lincoln addressed his own solution to slavery at a speech delivered in Peoria, Illinois: “I should not know what to do as to the existing institution [of slavery]. My first impulse would be to free all the slaves, and send them to Liberia, to their own native land.” While Lincoln acknowledged this was logistically impossible, by the time he assumed the Presidency and a Civil War was underfoot, the nation was in such duress that he tried it anyway. By early 1861, Lincoln ordered a secret trip to modern-day Panama to investigate the land of a Philadelphian named Ambrose Thompson. Thompson had volunteered his Chiriqui land as a refuge for freed slaves. The slaves would work in the abundant coal mines on his property, the coal would be sold to the Navy, and the profits would go to the freed slaves to further build up their new land. Lincoln sought to test the idea on the small slave population in Delaware, but the idea met fierce opposition from abolitionists when it went public. In April 1862, Lincoln was still of the mind that emancipation and deportation was the key to a peaceful United States. He supported a bill in Congress that provided money “to be expended under the direction of the President of the United States, to aid in the colonization and settlement of such free persons of African descent now residing in said District, including those to be liberated by this act, as may desire to emigrate to the Republic of Haiti or Liberia, or such other country beyond the limits of the United States as the President may determine.” This would become the final portion of the DC Emancipation Act. In August of 1862, Lincoln invited five prominent black men to the White House, the first black delegation invited on such terms. The topic was simple, that white and blacks cannot coexist and that separation is the most expedient means to peace. Lincoln encouraged these five men to rally support for an exodus. This intent is even echoed in the Preliminary Emancipation Proclamation: “… that the effort to colonize persons of African descent, with their consent, upon this continent, or elsewhere… will be continued.” Near this same time, the results of Lincoln’s investigation into the Chiriqui lands proved the coal there was worthless, and there was also the small matter that Costa Rica claimed ownership of part of Thompson’s land. The next area considered was a small island off the coast of Haiti. About 450 blacks were sent to the island, but after only a year, nearly 25% had died due to poor nutrition and disease. The remainder were returned to the states. By 1863, realizing Liberia, Haiti, and the Chiriqui lands were not reasonable for resettlement (Liberia was considered too great a distance to relocate a large number of freed slaves), Lincoln mentioned moving the “whole colored race of the slave states into Texas.” Four days before his death, speaking to Gen. Benjamin Butler, Lincoln still pressed on with deportation as the only peaceable solution to America’s race problem. “I can hardly believe that the South and North can live in peace, unless we can get rid of the negroes … I believe that it would be better to export them all to some fertile country…”
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We had the arab sping. Now its the European spring. And rightly so. For the world to go forward in peace and unity old habits must die. It is inevitable. Who resist such evolution shall disappear like the dinosaurs of old. We are now entering the age of aqueous. For real. The universe dictates these changes.
Age of aqueous? This video really is attracting a lot of unusually moronic comments from self-righteous illiterates. It is a weird mixture of arrogance and ignorance. It is like being berated by petulant children.
@@vladsview194 I don't know what Brexit has to do with it? Though your comment doesn't really make sense in general. However, I assure you, I won't care if some blacks or Indians are offended by our statues, and that is the case for most people.
@@vladsview194 If you think a small whinging band of liberals has the power to do that you are deluded. They are having their 5 mins because everyone is bored of lockdown, but nobody actually cares about the whinging. These "reviews" of statues really mean, "we will wait a couple of weeks till the protests end and then go back to normal". The liberal left might be powerful in London but they wiped out at the election because this is a conservative country. Apparently, Brexit, the hostile immigration policy, charter flights etc were just lost on you. Are you actually deluded enough to think anyone outside your bubble is actually listening or cares? Ha... haha.....hahahahahaha.
You can tell him the history in books etc. idk why have a statute praising him though, keep it in a museum. Speak about him honestly way acknowledged the past.
Sajid Khan Those protesters deserve my support. Anyone attacking them are racists or stupid heads believing BoJo's racist policies along with his islamophobic/sexist comments.
"We must find new lands from which we can easily obtain raw materials and at the same time exploit the cheap slave labor that is available from the natives of the colonies.”-Cecil Rhodes
Yes because Europe was very backward and behind in everything. So they had to look at rich continents like Africa to loot.... oh sorry am I speaking in the past tense??
@@naureen4justice991 It is not fair to assume that it was only Europe who had these barbaric tendencies, think of the Mongol Empire, Genghis Khan killed about 40 million people, 11% of the population at the time, pillaging a big chunk of Asia and enslaving intellectuals, forming the largest contiguous empire the world has ever seen. Another example would be the Japanese Empire, from 1868 to 1945, it took Korea, Manchuria, a large part of China (I won't go into detail on the atrocities committed there, too graphic) and most of Southeast Asia (it was colonized by the European powers, but replacing one colonist with another changes nothing). In my conclusion, the might-makes-right sentiment of colonialism is not exclusive to Europe, as in almost all of recorded history, the world has been generally plagued with warfare, up until the 20th century after world war 2 when the UN was formed and decolonization began, I am well aware of the way that the new nations were formed was a complete geopolitical disaster, and some companies still exploit their economies, of course do not advocate for that at all, but for the most part, they have their sovereignty.
