North Korean soldiers are the happiest men on earth. This is their chance to get away from North Korea without jumping checkpoints full of landmines and armed guards.
North Korea cant prevent the outside world from leaking in, the people know they are oppressed but are playing the part for self and family preservation.
True, they are probably volunteering by the hundreds of thousands. But you can be absolutely certain that Fat man had warned them by threatening their families if they desert...
North Korean soldiers finding out they can actually eat ordinary food at regular intervals, they are likely going to refuse any means to be sent back home. All Ukraine needs to do to defeat these troops is promise to feed them.
Most will return, for otherwise their greater family will meet unfathomable hardship. Furthermore, they will likely be kept far away from civilization and from good food to maintain the idea tbat live outside of NK aint better, preferably worse.
@@HansOvervoorde Their ability to flee will be dependent on how well the Russians are keeping a head count of their soldiers and volunteers. My guess is that it’s not a very good one
"The North Korean soldiers enter the outskirts of the battlefield. Before them lays a heavy layer of smoke. They assume it is from gunfire, tankfire, and smoldering bombs... ...then they smell it. It's BBQ. They throw down their arms and run into the smoke, almost eating it, waving whatever white rags they have while doing so, ecstatic if not euphoric over the potential promise of a meal..." Yeah, that's how I read it, anyways.
not possible... only western brain thinks like this... if north korean man leaves his familly and they are expected to be shamed or even punished for his desertion
I'd question that. NK, according to our media, is the worst place on Earth. Meanwhile, China, who is 100 percent as dystopian as I've ever heard compared to NK, is PRAISED by the western media, or mostly ignored for their failures. Ever heard of Tofu Dregs? Did you know how many EV graveyard sites are in China, or how many of their EV's have exploded in public due to poor manufacturing and corruption related cutting corners??
Everyone saying that North Korean soldiers will flee, but it's that the actual number of those who desert is likely to be quite small. These soldiers understand the severe consequences their families would face if they were to leave.
North Korea has roughly 1.5 million soldiers. Many on the verge of malnutrition. Russia has lost roughly 700,000 troops in Ukraine. Assuming North Korea soldiers would die at a rate not exceeding Russia, Korea would halve its military in just a couple of years. That doesn't seem like a good way to discourage South Korea if they were inclined to get firsky.
@@tarikhamou6222 I meant that as a critique of the first post. North Koreans doesn't reason like kids. They will not betray their Great leader. Just like the Soviets didn't betray Comrade Stalin during WW2.
Napoleon Bonaparte said this when he saw the British Army taking up positions at Waterloo with trees behind them........ Wellington said to Picton "There is no undergrowth in there, you can easily move a battery of nine pounders through there, a whole army could slip through there like rain through a grate..It may surprise you to know that I saw this ground a year ago and I have kept it in my pocket ."
Putins 5 step victory plan step 1. Sacrifice ur people for money. step 2. Sacrifice other dictatorship countrys people for money. True political genius… Ironically, huge diplomatic success as Putin helps more North Koreans escape those hellish conditions than any western country in recent history.
defecting soldiers results in multigenerational criminal punishment for the family you left behind. your kids/siblings parents and sometimes even grandparents suddenly get stuck in a labor internment for 10 years to life, because of YOUR actions. they are far more trapped than you think; when the "soldiers" have a lot more to lose by abandoning their post, compared to america's AWOL soldiers.
@@dustinherk8124 You know that some of the family members knew about their children's escape and they allowed it even if it got them punished for living in NK isn't really living. Plus even if you are sentenced to death you die knowing that your legacy will live on.
The west treads carefully,whist p don't give a f**k.This war could have been over and done if NATO actually did get involved.The wests hesitation costs lives
Because NATO is a defensive organisation and breached agreements with Russia. Plus troops from america and uk etc have already been fighting for Ukraine, this is well documented
1) why would it not be ok? DPRK is sovereign country 2) Ukraine is using NATO arms, NATO "volunteers", NATO intelligence. Since that is happening who is saying it's not ok?
Strangely, I think they’d be better received in the Ukraine. 70 years of seeing them as enemies will open up suspicion. Who knows. Maybe they’re spies playing defector.
you'd be surprised how brain washed they are, to NOT do that. especially when defection is a multigeneration crime there. You flee, and your kids/siblings and parents get life sentences in a labor internment camp. You sure you'd flee in your family was tied to the same conditions?
Congratulations on both sides of the policy of intolerance towards captured mercenaries. (I think it's understandable why the mercenaries on both sides carry a spare grenade for themselves)
North Korean soldiers are taught they are the best army in the world and that they will easily win over anybody. But on the frontline in Ukraine, they find out they are the weakest on the battlefield and get scared quickly. They never had to fight a real enemy so all their "training" was useless.
@@sillybillybrazillians Russia also doesnt have enough men, thats why they need help from North Korea.... if Nato were to deploy troops its game over for putin, but Nato is trying to win this without using their own troops.
@@DKi-f5ythey just got there. You can’t say which way they’re swaying, loyal or general defection, when we haven’t seen how good they even do on the battlefield.
@@Peppapig1000_2 NK hasn't been in a conflict since the Korean War and so none of them have no real combat experience and on top of that NK is a literal prison.
I have to laugh at Putin he thinks nothing of getting North Korea troops to fight for him, But he does not want other countries to send troops to Ukraine. talk about someone that is a bully, Ukraine has every right to have other countries to send troops to help them now.
very funny point is that European personal and US and UK personal also are fighting in Ukraine right ? who started dragging ppl into the fight ? u need to understand there are no such thing as a Russian ukraninen conflict its a proxy war just like the Gaza war is not Lebanon against Israel is Iran proxy vs the west
I have kept an eye on Kim, as in I watch a lot of videos he is featured in...I seriously have questioned whether or not he has ever mentally developed past a child. He is always smiling, not like a diplomat or a world leader, not even like a regular adult. More like a child at an amusement park. Even in this video he is smiling in a lot of the cutscenes, but he looks more like a child almost sayin "Weeee whoohoo yay!!! Look who I'm with teehee"...again almost like a child taking a picture with Mickey Mouse at Disneyland.
You know it would be real easy to get rid of Kim Un. Just call Israel (Masad), and have them send to Un some "Kosher Approved" McDonald's cheeseburgers. His favorite. lol
General Ben Hodges is dead wrong about the ammunition; any bad ammunition makes the whole lot bad because you just never know what you are going to get, are you going to shoot short or blow up the barrel? This is extremely dangerous for the gunners and reports have stated that gunners have died. It's like Russian roulette.
Kim is like that far kid who always says he can kick anyone’s ass and stands behind the big guys yelling “hold me back!”… Once the real fight starts he then jumps in hoping to land a blow on camera so he can have bragging rights! 😅
It's not that NATO is scared of Putin. . . .NATO is scared of who else would side with Putin if there was a full out war. Russia and China tend to do a lot of business together and no one wants to go to war with China. China imports over $50B in crude oil from Russia, + Coal, + Gas..
What are you guys thinking? NK will only send men who have families still in NK that they can threaten, and torture if needed. That was obvious from the start. NK won't send unmarried orphans. They'll make sure only family men get sent.
Putin attacked Ukraine. Simple. His aggression has increased the size of NATO and put Sweden and Finland into a high alert stance. As a result, NATO has greater presence than ever bordering Russia and they're also focusing more military as precaution. These imperial aggressive acts continues to be counterproductive and detrimental for Russia. Had Russia not invaded Ukraine beyond Crimea, Finland would still be neutral. This is all pretty simple.
@@ShawnShoptaughIndeed it isn't, there's also the multiple treaties between Ukraine and Russia that Putin breached, there's the anti western, anti liberalism retoric Putin uses and his regret that the Ussr is gone and his dreams of conquest to inceease Russia's borders...
@@ShawnShoptaugh dont expect a normie to look into anything or try and use their brains outside what the media has told them. you are talking to people on their 7th covid booster,aint no way they could understand nato's effort to push russia into a war for the past 10 years, no way they could comprehend americas coup in russia and president installation, no way they could ever understand the military industrial complex's thirst for war and the profit that comes with it. we duh good guy,dey bad! putin bad man like orange man bad! is as much as their brains will work for today.
let me get this right, according to Putin anyone can help Russia (who has precision weapons) but no one is allowed to help Ukraine who does not have precision weapons. Even with precision weapons Putin is basically losing. Honestly, I think his threats are empty at this point at least he does have that in common with Kim. Unfortunately, those two will most likely start WW3.
@@AngelofDeath-Y2K BRICS members can't afford nor will join in since their military and diplomatic relationships aren't as strong as NATO's, the very second it happens, they'll start cornering Russia into giving away more of its lands and assets in exchange of their support but they won't join directly. China and India are playing on both fields and would desolidarize in a heartbeat if Russia ever uses the nukes.
Because that would end in nuclear war. We shouldn’t be helping Ukraine in any way in the first place. They aren’t nato. In fact all they had to do to not start the war was to stop trying to join nato.
NorKor soldier to NorKor army buddies : " Dudes when we get there, we un-alive the shill in charge of us and we escape to SoKor for some choco pies. Sound like a plan?"
@@SlashinatorZ that's not our problem. Remember that guy who escaped NorKor and got shot five times at the demilitarized zone? His dad is a general. Do you think he'll care when his son is now at SoKor?
@@SlashinatorZ If you listen to some of the stories that other NK civilians who escaped some of their family members knew about the escape and told them to go anyway for living in North Korea isn't living and so those who did escape are the ones who's families know that their legacy will live one.
Ukraine taking out two dictators for the price of one war?... If only everyone rallied behind Ukraine and gave them the help they needed there couldn't be a better deal for world peace.
@@freezingcathedral just send thousands of mercenaries from each NATO countries. Then they just deny that they were not part of their armed forces, just Russian style of covering up things.
"You want to have war? Go ahead." Buckaroo, your military has been getting bodied for the last two years by the scraps nato countries have laying around. You dont want the smoke. Foolish words.
@@turtlehermit6047 pfft...you say it like its putin pushing one nuclear button.....he still needs to convince those generals in charge of the nukes to throw their lives away for a foolish war they all know putin started......humans are selfish by nature.....pretty sure it's easier to trade one leader for immunity for those under him and to end the war..
@@turtlehermit6047 Guaranteed we have something to counter that, at least on the American side. I don't have too much faith in the government, but I absoslutely do have faith in our military. We build stuff we have no business building all the time. I promise you, we more than likely have something for them that we don't know about.
They have combat experience.. some soldiers got sent to Iraq and Afghanistan during the war. It was a minimal amount but they have learned a lot from the US I don’t think they need it tbh
How would they flee if their families are still in North Korea, they could easily threaten the soldiers with their families lives, wouldn't surprise me at all.
Have Russia not learned anything from this war 🤷🏻♂️ Making threats towards Britain and Poland is madness lol If nato got involved they Russian army would be destroyed in a week, along with anything NK could send. Ukraine’s tiny air force has kept the Russian air force at bay for years now, so can you imagine what a combined NATO air force attack would do! I don’t think they’d attack Russia directly but the message would be sent through back channels to either get rid of Putin and withdraw or face the consequences.
@Taras814 prepping for china and ww3. It wouldnt just be russia vs nato, iran, china, lots would use it to gain what they thought they could. Aliances etc. Despite our politics USA generals are usually legit working on updating things. Vietnam really changed the fools. Afganistan was never about that country it was about making TRILLIONS for decade+.
Ukraine's tiny air force supplied by the US. If it were left to just what they already had without western help, it wouldn't be as "good" as it's going for them. Zelensky is not a leader. He just asks for handouts. People on both sides are defecting because they're done with this shit. Ukraine is nothing to brag about. Sure, they can make grenades out of cans and bottles and shit, but okay. So what? They haven't made any headway in two and a half years. They're just wasting warm bodies and going back to the providers (western nations) for more. Germany just recently said no more.
Do you not realize china is one of their closest allies both NK and RUSSIA? Their military powers combined could be a serious threat to mankind or let’s say the whole world smh we are facing nuclear catastrophes many are going to die in a blink of an eye unfortunately… those who say our country will be fine are just liars… the United States is screwed
N Korea to fight against Ukraine?! Good luck N Korea cause Ukraine already showed how smart they are against Russia .. N. Korean weapons are OUT dated ! Ukraine was given advanced weapons from America!! 😮
Oh, sure, Ukraine has an endless supply of people for the war. Dude, for three years now in Ukraine, civilians have been kidnapped right off the streets to patch up another hole in the defense. What are you even talking about?
I love how Pewpew needs N.Korean supplies/manpower to fight Ukraine but thinks he can threaten a counter attack if the WESTERN WORLD would assist Ukraine. You cant even bully a country 10 times smaller than you Pewpew, SIT THE FACK DOWN
You can laugh at North Koreans deserting, but If you look at the even recent history of how Russians deal with deserters they have found, you should have a sick feeling in your stomach for the humans that will be tortured if found by their Russian commanders that make Russia look like a medieval civilisation. Thank god we aren't in any of their positions. Just remember that they are people too.
Same thing that would happen at home, except they have a much bigger chance to get away. The NORK's, I am sure will take the chance. We"ll see if it come to fighting their way out if they keep units together. What a shit show!
Yeah, the first thing I can think of is that they already threatened the soldiers with their families in the event they desert. There is no way they don't kill or torture family members that still live in NK.
You don't remember the noose that was setup on the white house lawn for pence by trumps supporters on jan 6th? Or how barbadic cops became when he was in office with the shoot first ask questions later routine they had? We were already under a tyrannical rule but you already forget this? .. somehow I'm not surprised.. losing hope for this country more and more everyday seeing how quickly people forget the atrocious things dt did
They are people too capable of brutality against those who cannot. The world doesnt revolve in people who choose peace and being human rather those who survived it. We are lucky allies win ww2 coz if they dont, we wont be telling tales like these. If your enemy is capable of brutality, show them you are much worse so they will think thrice not to do something henous again.
I'd say quite the contrary, Ukraine ended up getting help from maniacal corporate American and British interests. They'd be toast if it wasn't for our billions of dollars and personnel as well as technical and logistics.
@@Anathema0420 yea so untrained people got weapons and are pushing the Russians back... Now imagine if NATO the people trained to use these weapons to their max effectiveness went to war with them, they would get pushed back even further and even faster gaining air superiority and air striking ground assets leaving their ground troops stranded would be like shooting fish in a barrel
Why would North Korea need to be there to manage the missiles they sent to Russia when the missiles were Russian missiles in the first place? So why wouldn't Russia be able to manage there own manufactured missiles that N.Korea bought from Russia in the first place
The only way North Korea can get what they want is to show unwavering support to Russia in hopes that Russia will back them when they need it. It has less to do with the Ukraine war and more to do with North Koreas future plans. Likely to expand into South Korea.
Lets see. Probably not. If anything China likely is going to notice that the food, medical and supply request might be less for the next couple of years, and a North Korea with less people is a better North Korea for China to deal with. They know South Korea isn't going to do anything, so there is no risk. .
They already been having fo4 es deployed there already, Ukraine is losing personnel and cannot replace them so we see U.S. and others put into the conflict.
@@heidichalfant5643 that's not a winning strategy. Even with forward bases, minor demo work would delay reinforcements and supplies from reaching the front line regularly. Plus, it's going to be winter soon. Nobody in that region would be dumb enough to wage war during the winter.
