ULTIMATE Lightsaber Duelists Tier List | Star Wars Explained 

Imagine putting Obi-Wan at the lowest tier then immediately making a HIGHER tier full of people he killed in duels

Yeah, I have a beef with Kenobi in tier 5. He took form 3 to SUCH a high level that it was barely recognizable as form 3 anymore. The deadliest form 3 fighter ever, you can’t drop him to 5. SAME argument with Dooku, likely the greatest form 2 practitioner.

I think one of the scariest yoda moments was when his disarmed Assaj and was so confident in himself… he gave her back her light sabres lol

Obi wan is highly underrated! Think of who he beat in The Clone Wars and after. He defeated Darth Maul, General Grievous, Dark Anakin and Vader no other Jedi order member during that time frame was as prolific against very tough opponents. Obi Wan is always highly underrated. His intellect and connection to the force were strong and using his Saber form 3 (which he was the indisputable master of) made him seem to be always on the defensive while waiting for the moment to strike. Obi Wan was very wise and able to use his force connection and substantial skills to his ultimate advantage against most other adversaries.

That's one of the thing's the sequel trilogy lacks, is that there's no talent in their lightsaber fights.

Overall good list, but I think Dooku and Mace should be on a higher tier. Thanks for all your content!

I think SIdious's force ability to weaken your connection to the force translates to his ability in a light saber duel. making the Jedi feel fear and self doubt. is enough to distract a Jedi so he can't even use the light saber to the best of his ability. It didn't work on Windu because they are vessels for the darkside and tapping into any dark side ability would only make WIndu just that much more powerful. I think at least in Canon Windu's duel vs Sidious is the only true duel when it came to Lightsaber vs Lightsaber combat as far as Sidious is concerned because he didn't have the advantage with those other passive darkside abilities

What about Maul ? He was fast, extremely acrobatic and very skilled with the lightsaber. Hes defence was perfect followed up with lightning qiuck conters. He beat Qui-Gon and Obi - Wan at the same time and in the clone wars Sidius couldnt beat him until he resume to force powers ...

While I agree with most of the list, my gripe is with Dooku's placement. Also, why was Satele Shan not included, but Malgus was? I need an explanation for that.

I must only slightly correct you when it comes to Jaina and Jacen Solo's power levels - they were equals in POTENTIAL. The reason why Jacen's skills far outmatched her was because of his years-long pilgrimage where he studied nearly every single force discipline - Jedi and non-Jedi disciplines alike - until he was at LEAST proficient in them. The only one who could out match Jacen was Luke. This is why Jaina went to study with Boba Fett - because she needed to learn skills that Jacen did not possess. And who could teach you how to hunt and kill a Jedi better than old man Boba. That part where Boba pulls a lightsaber and totally sucker punches her taught her a valuable lesson that pretty much led to her beating Jacen. And her being Fett's "apprentice" was SICK - because he basically saw it as a long overdue vengeance for Windu killing his father AND for Jacen killing his daughter. Man I absolutely LOVED those Legacy of the Force novels - still do. Partly because Karen Traviss pretty much laid trhe groundwork for everything Mandalorian - even down to creating their language. Her iteration of Boba Fett is still the best imho and should have been at least partly used to tell his story in the Book of Boba Fett. He was a BADASS Mandalore and the Mandalorian's were even more like Spartan's than they are now.

i believe darth traya deserves an honorable mention. her ability to duel her opponents using telekinesis to wield her blades is really cool and quite unique at that!

I’m really glad you didn’t include Kit Fisto anywhere on this list. Anyone who never took his craft beyond form 1 was always going to be at a disadvantage against masters in my opinion, no matter how much they refined the form. Plus Sidious just plowed right through him like he wasn’t even there.

I do think Maul should be on the list (tier 5), judging by this list. His duel on Naboo was impressive and he was quite young. I think the main thing that holds him back is his arrogance making it hard for him to finish fights. Ahsoka and Obi-Wan, both out-skilled by Maul, have bested him. He is equal approximately to Kenobi and him putting up a somewhat decent fight against Sidious was impressive.

Decent list. While there are a few placements I am completely baffled by such as Dooku's low rank, I understand that making and releasing such a potentially controversial list takes balls. And for that, your work is greatly appreciated 👍

Tulak Hord and Exar Kun are probably the best when it comes down to pure mastery of the lightsaber and a Duelist. A Young Dooku is at least in top 10

I was quite pleased with this list, though I would have loved to see an honorary mention of Starkiller

I think you all did a good job with this. I like how you included the Legends aspect of some of the characters. IMO, legends is the only canon.

Vader is best. Lucasfilm confirms this. I see a big problem people face when accepting this is the limitations of film technology, which is why, in the original trilogy, he looks slow and harmless. What I like about recent depictions and possibly the only thing I like about Disney is that they do Vader justice. Vader appears to be less agile but manages to use his a lot more efficiently. Vader also appears to be more in control of his emotions and calm, and his style exhibits a calorevoyeance unlike any other duelist. His fighting style seems effortless. Like a simple parry, it looks like he is swatting a fly away. And just as quickly, he will follow it up with a counter attack.

Say, here's a couple of ideas for more tier lists you can do: a tier list on your favorite Lightsaber duels, and also a tier list on all Lightsaber forms and fighting styles and which you think are the best.

I've been watching this video on loop since it came out. If you made more videos like this, I'd definitely watch.

Your star wars videos are amazing they make me so happy I'll will never stop watching your channel so happy i find this

Totally agree with Grand Master Luke at the top. He ended up being the ultimate force user that ever lived. Not very familiar with the sith guy you put with him so can't say anything about that. There is no doubt that Mace Windu should have been in the same tier as Yoda and above Sidious. After all Mace beat Sidious fair and square as Mr. Lucas said himself. Sidious didn't throw the fight. Mace was to powerful for Sidious to play around with. After Mace disarmed him, Sidious wasn't a man scrambling away like he was playing a game. He scrambled away like a man who was infear of losing his life. To think otherwise is someone with an evil heart and who thinks evil should win over good. Ex Ar Kun would get destroyed by Mace cause he is the perfect person to fight using Vaapad. I think Obi Wan should be higher too. Look his kill record. Maul, General dickhead, Anakin, I mean come on. He didn't kill Anakin but there is no doubt he beat him and beat him good. Although we never really got to see Plo Kloom use his lightsaber, according to everything, he was suppose to be one of the best so he should have been higher as well. How come Darth Maul wasn't anywhere in the list? Surely at least tier 5. I don't know about putting Cade Skywalker above so many others. He stopped training when he was a young teenager. Sure he beat Krayt but you have many who beat another in lower tiers then the one they defeated so that shouldn't make a difference.

Fantastic video been waiting for something like this

Dooku and vader should definetily be tier 1

Imagine being undefeated except via trickery and only being ranked tier 4. Yall disrespect Windu way too much. Lolol

Love the video! , I was disappointed to see that the great count/Darth Tyranis wasn't really acknowledged for his lighsaber dueling. As he proved himself well worthy of such great titles , especially during the clone wars .

After watching the video and reading some of the comments I've gotta say everyone has some good picks tho no one is mentioning Galen Merrick. He was extremely well trained by Vader in lightsaber combat and even more aggressive when his clone was taught. I feel like he should have been an honorable mention. I know tho he used force in combination with his lightsaber when fighting. Also, he's pretty much taken on armies as well. I think Windu’s victory was legitimate because his style was an advantage where they were fighting as well as it being a specific style that Palpatine had little specific knowledge of. However, I’d like to see how that battle would have gone if you had given Palpatine more space to work with Yoda Obi wan is highly underrated! Think of who he beat in The Clone Wars and after. He defeated Darth Maul, General Grievous, Dark Anakin, and Vader no other Jedi order member during that time frame was as prolific against very tough opponents. Obi-Wan is always highly underrated. His intellect and connection to the force were strong and using his Saber form 3 (which he was the indisputable master of) made him seem to be always on the defensive while waiting for the moment to strike. Obi-Wan was very wise and able to use his force connection and substantial skills to his ultimate advantage against most other adversaries. I think one of the scariest Yoda moments was when he disarmed Assaj and was so confident in himself… he gave her back her light sabers lol Overall good list, but I think Dooku and Mace should be on a higher tier. Thanks for all your content! I believe Darth Traya deserves an honorable mention. her ability to duel her opponents using telekinesis to wield her blades is really cool and quite unique at that! I must only slightly correct you when it comes to Jaina and Jacen Solo's power levels - they were equals in POTENTIAL. The reason why Jacen's skills far outmatched her was because of his years-long pilgrimage where he studied nearly every single force discipline - Jedi and non-Jedi disciplines alike - until he was at LEAST proficient in them. The only one who could outmatch Jacen was Luke. This is why Jaina went to study with Boba Fett - because she needed to learn skills that Jacen did not possess. And who could teach you how to hunt and kill a Jedi better than old man Boba. That part where Boba pulls a lightsaber and totally sucker punches her taught her a valuable lesson that pretty much led to her beating Jacen. And her being Fett's "apprentice" was SICK - because he basically saw it as a long overdue vengeance for Windu killing his father AND for Jacen killing his daughter. Man, I absolutely LOVED those Legacy of the Force novels - still do. Partly because Karen Traviss pretty much laid the groundwork for everything Mandalorian - even down to creating their language. Her iteration of Boba Fett is still the best imho and should have been at least partly used to tell his story in the Book of Boba Fett. He was a BADASS Mandalore and the Mandalorians were even more like Spartans than they are now. I’m really glad you didn’t include Kit Fisto anywhere on this list. Anyone who never took his craft beyond form 1 was always going to be at a disadvantage against masters in my opinion, no matter how much they refined the form. Plus Sidious just plowed right through him like he wasn’t even there. I would've included Satele Shan too, placing her into tier 3 (maybe 4, but no higher than 3) as she was a prodigy but lost duels against Darth Malgus multiple times, saving herself only by her Force abilities. Also, canon Obi-Wan Kenobi should be in tier 4 or 3, since he could battle Darth Maul and Savage Opress simultaneously for a short while and severely injure the latter. Now that you've discussed Anakin from witnessing him in the recent Ahsoka episode, who is now a master of Djemso and his style as Vader without the physical limitations, what tier do you think he would be placed in? Love the video! , I was disappointed to see that the great count/Darth Tyranis wasn't really acknowledged for his lightsaber dueling As he proved himself well worthy of such great titles, especially during the Clone Wars. I was quite pleased with this list, though I would have loved to see an honorary mention of Starkiller Loved this video would be cool if you made a strictly canon version of this as well but tier lists are definitely a great addition to your collection of videos on here Only thing I disagree on is Prime Darth Vader (Knightfall Anikan). The dude was unstoppable, he shift the balance of the entire for and Galaxy in one fucking day. The ferocity and speed at which he delivered blows unto his enemies was nightmarish. He couldn’t even hold back his tears, he wasn’t just “consumed” by the dark side like other Sith Lords, he was ASSIMILATED ❤‍🔥‼ I’d love to see a force abilities tier list to match this duelist tier list this is probably a hot take, but I think nightfall Anakin is tier 1. it's the closest the chosen one ever got to peak strength, and he was able to defeat the entire Jedi temple. he lost to Obi-Wan because of his emotions, whereas in the Jedi temple, Anakin only felt rage, nothing else. Luke is certainly one of the Greatest of all time. He became the Greatest Jedi Master ever. He found a perfect balance within to harness all of the force. The Chosen One legacy continued in Luke and became manifested in one of THE most Powerful force users to have ever existed next week.

Loved this vid; some of your best work yet!

Kenobi won against Greevous in Canon and in Legends, since they are both smart, they can inhance their phisical abilyties, so Kenobi won by his lightsaber dueling skills ... Obi Wan Kenobi > General Greevous

this is probably a hot take, but I think knightfall anakin is tier 1. it's the closest the chosen one ever got to peak strength, and he was able to defeat the entire jedi temple. he lost to obi wan because of his emotions, where as in the jedi temple anakin only felt rage, nothing else.

Great video SW, don’t agree with every rank, but very well made video with lots of info on the characters. Keep it up.

This is awesome! I'd love to see more videos like this

U can tell because in episode two and 3 Anakin Skywalker uses Form 6 when he kills the Sand people and when he kills the Sepretists on Mustafar and that lightsaber combat form is exactly the same as what Luke is using in the hallway in this video. It does however specialise in Form V as Form VI is a combination of Forms I to V specialising in a certain style.

Mace is definitely a better swordsman than sidious and even beat him in the movie which GL commented that Windu was just better at swordfighting other than general power and force where Windu was also powerful but far inferior to Sidious but hey when it comes to Windu's fencing should be higher.

I would like to add I really enjoy your videos on Lightsaber duels and Duelist. STAR WARS IS THE REASON WHY I TRAIN IN THE ART OF KENDO…. KEEP UP THE FANTASTIC CONTENT…

Even if I were to disagree with any rankings, I'm so appreciative of the content and writing. Thank you

IIRC Luke Skywalker stated that he had become stronger than ever before some time after he defeated DE Sidious, which is more evidence that he wasn't even at his peak when defeating Sidious (even with the amp he got from Leia).

I would've included Satele Shan too, placing her into tier 3 (maybe 4, but no higher than 3) as she was a prodigy but lost duels aginst Darth Malgus multiple times, saving herself only by her Force abilities. Also, canon Obi-Wan Kenobi should be in tier 4 or 3, since he could battle Darth Maul and Savage Opress simultaneously for a short while and severly injure the latter.

I enjoyed this video..alot of research and care went into it..i enjoyed the focus of dueling only..good job

Good list! I hope you do another one soon!👍

After watching the video and reading some of the comments I've gotta say everyone has some good picks tho no one is mentioning Galen Merrick. He was extremely well trained by Vader in lights Saber combat and even more aggressive when his clone was taught. I feel like he should have been an honorable mention. I know tho he used the force in combination with his light Saber when fighting. Also he's pretty much taken on armies as well.

You could've put Mace at the low end of Tier 3. Wasn't nobody really contending with him in his era outside of Sidious, Dooku, Yoda, and mabye dark Anakin.

Totally agree with the rankings 👍

please do more of these i find myself enjoying them

Loved this video would be cool if you made a strictly canon version of this as well but tierlists are definitely a great addition to your collection of videos on here

Obi wan in tier 5? He beat everyone when it counted...

I love revan with your explanation his ranking i can better respect your reason for putting him where you did and with kenobi it’s obvious some didn’t listen to the explanations very well

Putting Obi-Wan in the lowest tier is a polarising move. On the one hand, he's one of the greatest duelists to ever live. He's defeated some of the toughest opponents of his era, the likes of which no one else has ever beaten. He's the undeniable master of Soresu, with a background in Ataru and a strong working knowledge of all lightsaber forms thanks to his constant training with the best of the Old Republic. Finally, his connection to the Force is strong, which helps him fight better among a number of other superpowers. On the other hand, Kenobi is lacking. His Form III techniques make him great at warfare due to blaster bolt deflection, but he lacks the aggressive power of other styles by default. He augments Form III with other techniques, but he's the master of Soresu only; I would argue the aggressive augmentations are not as polished or powerful. In addition, he's countered by Form II users such as Dooku and Ventress, leading to multiple losses. With that in mind, I'm in the prior camp. His attacks don't need to be as powerful because he understands his strength is choosing the right moment to attack, not creating one like Djem So would do. Until then, he can last longer than any other duelist, even against Makashi practioners. Makashi isn't just A counter to Soresu, it's THE counter. Obi-Wan lasting any time at all is incredible, and in some cases he actually wins. Add that to his insurmountable defences, his track record, his wartime experience and his Force strength, and it's clear that only Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader are his superiors (both of which were his padawans, strangely enough).

Kind of hard to do a tier list on something so subjective as this. I would definitely have Dooku higher though.

Luke is certainly one of the Greatest of all time. He became the Greatest Jedi Master ever. He found a perfect balance within to harness all of the force. The Chosen One legacy continued in Luke, and became manifested in one of THE most Powerful force users to have ever existed.

Sidious himself admits that in a one on one lightsaber duel against Count Dooku, he would lose.

Just curious how did Porter Engle not make the list? He earned the nickname the Blade of Bardotta, was said to be one of the best duelist to ever live and was said to be a better duelist than yoda, and using the force he would even spar with his own lightsaber. There was even a quote "No one in the galaxy fights like Porter Engle. No warrior can stand against him. No one even comes close. The best there is. The best there ever was"

can you do greatest force users next?

Did anyone else get goosebumps at Vaders fighting style description?

Great job!!!

great list

How can you make a tier list so controversial, and yet so brave?

I probably would’ve liked to hear where Maul would be placed cause I think he was a pretty impressive duelist (from what I’ve observed anyway)!

Fully enjoyed this !

If I am not mistaken, I belive Sidius's and Mace Windu's battle is described in the "Revenge of the Sith" novel. Both of them felt Anakin approaching. Windu was hoping he would have Anakin's support, but Sidius's 'promise' of teaching Anakin how to save Padmé got to him. The rest we know.

what about qui-gon he only lost to maul because of the hilt to the face which maul did out of desperation as he felt he was close to loosing the duel, and even his old master dooku was even shocked by his loss and revered him as an amazing lightsaber duellist

He [Revan] was skilled in all of them [Lightsaber forms] - he was always more of a generalist than a specialist..." Source: Drew Karpyshyn author of The Old Republic Revan If the logic is Bane was placed in tier 3 because he'd mastered all Lightsaber forms than anyone else who had mastered all Lightsaber forms should also be at least the same tier, this would include Revan who is said to have mastered all the knowledge the Jedi had to teach this would include Lightsaber forms and than he became a Sith and mastered Sith Lightsaber combat as well. Revan has even been shown using different forms of Lightsaber combat.

Pretty darn accurate, can't disagree anywhere.

I’d love to see a force abilities tier list to match this duelist tier list

Mace Windu and Obi wan should have ranked at least on rank higher than they did

I agree that luke is the best jedi lightsaber duelist but during empire and Rotj Vader wasn’t going all out against his son his goal was to turn him not kill him and he was conflicted as well and now canon Vader according to Disney is the best lightsaber duelist of all time

Unpopular but Objectively Correct Opinion: Obi-wan is vastly *over*rated. In all but one fight, he fell ass backwards into ‘victory’ due to lazy, contrived bullshit because the writers said “Ayo, the plot demands that the bad guy has to lose but we wrote ourselves into a corner here and it’s Friday afternoon so let’s just say Obi-wan jumps in the air while Maul has a stroke and loses all motor function so he just stands there and lets Obi-wan chop him in half. Eh, that’ll do. Aight, I’m bouta head out. Peace.” In the one exception where he did not benefit from 37 meters of plot armor, he did literally nothing and just died like a bih. Obi-wan in a nutshell.

Obi Wan at tier 5 with Grevious, Knightfall Vader and Dooku at tier 4 is sick work when he out skilled the general, matched Dooku skill for skill lightsaber wise in the novelization of episode 3, and out skilled Vader in their fight when the thing messing Vader up was his emotions/force ability and not dueling skill

Disney fans will moan at Rey’s absence, but she doesn’t belong. You’ve made a strong list!

NO WAY OBI-WAN TIER 5…… That’s all I’m gone say🤦🏿‍♂️

You have to bring a video with the most powerful users of the force from the light and the darkside just like this video

So a lightsaber tier list that leaves out Maul and puts Obi-Wan at the very bottom but you put Luke and his Louisville slugger style of saber combat at the top of the list? Interesting choices.

Okay, Obi Wans placement is criminal. Wisdom and Wit is clearly a lightsaber skill. Hes also on a completely different level in the most tensed situations. Probably able to solo all of Tier 4 if he knows the fate of everything relies on him. Another one is Windu, GL confirmed he beat Sidious fair and Square.

Dooku should be tier 1 or 2 tbh, the Ultimate gentlemanly swordsman Darth Lee.

Love the channel

Now that you've discussed Anakin from witnessing him in the recent Ahsoka episode, who is now a master of Djemso and his style as Vader without the physical limitations, what tier do you think he would be placed in?

I really think Ahsoka should be on this list. She was able to hold her own against Anakin and Obi-wan, defeated Maul in the first half of their duel and out smarted him in the second half. She was able to destroy half of Vaders mask and managed to battle him and hold her own a feat very few have ever been able to do. Killing multiple inquisitors.

mace was very close to yoda as was his force sensitivity and palpatine falls in the same area, with Vapod it's clear it's why MAce won but you can see clearly he is put on his heels by sidious repeatedly. Palpatine uses darkside aided attacks to fight period because of his fragile age, vapod was throwing that back at him tenfold and you can see the difference in footwork and pacing in this fight vs yoda. That could just be production and sam jackson probably wouldn't be flipping all over the damn place but its cool to imagine the pacing was actually so slow because mace was basically taking palpatine's power and throwing it back at him.

Kenobi on tier 5 and Mace on Tier 4 is wild man

You missed Ray from ranking one , she didn’t even need training. She is boss at everything lmao 🤣

I would have included ahsoka into at least tier five category. She easily handled several inquisitors and held her own for a while against Darth Vader

I was kind of surprised to not see Starkiller on this list. After all, he did best Vader on Kamino.

I think what people miss about Obi-Wan is that he continually displays strength in every single category. He's probably not the single best at any aspect we can choose, like duelist, living force/perception, using his environment, but he is always aware of his foe's weakness and then exploits it. He does this through patience and perception, it's an incredibly dangerous ability. I don't see how we could call anyone else, with the exception of Luke, as effective at opposing the Sith.

Dooku being that low is absolutely criminal. I expected him to be much higher because his whole thing was his skill and he was the 3 greatest duelist of the prequel era.

Exar Kun is far more powerful than it was shortly explained and heeded here. Jensaarai One explaining Exar as well as 100% Star Wars story telling about this character reveal in-depth information why he most definitely would belong in Tier 1. Lightsaber techniques have not been fully developed yet in the time of Tulak and we do not know how strong he was in the Force to have utilised and implemented it in his lightsaber fighting. Plo was able to defeat Yoda who is in your Tier 5, while Yoda is in Tier 2; so if every information about Exar would be considered deeply, especially how he has implemented the Force like Force Rage (which he perfected) combined with his un-orthodox fighting style as well as his un-orthodox lightsaber (which was unique in many ways), it is save to say that he is definitely a Tier 1 candidate.

Jania solo at tier 5?!! WHAT she’s arguably the best female duelist in all of sw lore legends or canon maybe I’m jumping the gun let me finish the vid first I respectfully don’t agree with her placement 💀

It's a very unique and strange tier list, even though explanations for each duelists are sufficient. However, with force augmentation factored into duels, one would think that the ones stronger in the force would more or less have an advantage in dueling because of their enhancements? If a fighter defeats (or does well against) a duelist with stronger force augmentation compared to him/herself in a duel, that speaks more towards that duelist's overall capabilities. As such, characters like Obi Wan and Jaina might need to receive a higher rank than Tier 5 here for their higher dueling IQ and being able to fight against opponents with higher force augmentation than themselves. Darth Bane and Malgus I'm not so sure about either since they could be notable duelists from their feats (the former only had like what, 5 official duels?) but I still don't see those guys beating any of the fighters lower on the tier list without some sort of force ability being used one way or another.

When you have to spend 5 minutes hyping up your number 1 choice, but barely spend any time with some of the other duelists on the list. It's almost like this list is bias toward your favourite character.

This may be one of the worst tier lists I’ve ever seen

No mention of Ahsoka, even though she held here own against maul whilst still being a padawan and held off multiple squadron's of clone troopers, who had a 360 degree tactical advantage. I'm not saying she is a high tier in comparison to some on this list, but at least tier 5.

Yoda tier 2 literally heart my heart but thank you for this video and content! I always enjoy it 🙂. But yoda my dude, tier 1!!!! 😂

Dark Side Yoda would have been the ultimate lightsaber dualist by far. Im basing this on the time Dooku talked Yoda into trying out the dark side just to experience it. Yoda glowed with the power of the dark side. It terrified Dooku as he realized nobody even Sidious had a prayer vs dark yoda. Something else we missed out on was Darth Vaders skill level in his new redesigned suit that was made to increase his skill & not limit it as with the original suit. But since he never got to wear it thats just conjecture. I think probably Luke Skywalker, Windu, Exar Kun, Darth Sidious, & Yoda would be in the top 5 but i can't decide on #1.

Really love Darth Krayt and Exar Kun and Cade Skywalker the three best lightsaber duelists of all time 🤭🤭🤭

I genuinely don't understand why Kun is ranked so high. He has only been in like, two serious duels. One of them was with Ulic Qel Droma who stalemated him. The other was Vodo siosk Baas and it was not a one sided fight at all. Based on what I read in tales of the jedi, Vodo isn't much better than any random saber specialist in star wars history. Kun really isn't that good.

Wow that was awesome so much fun. I have followed you for a while and I very much like your style I like your list I don’t think I would change anything I just wonder where star killer would fit on it not that he had a place on it but just where do you think he would be❓

Obi wan tier 5 but his track record off people he defeated says other wise maul,grievous,Vader before the suit idk about 5 but to each is own I respect your opinion

Qui-Gon may have been beaten by mal, but I still think he deserves to be on at least the same teir as Kenobi

“We will not be including force powers” “They said Palpatine was so fast you couldn’t see him utilizing force speed”

Wasnt Aloysius Kallig who was top general for Tulak Hord assassinated by him due to being unrivaled in lightsaber combat or was it just Kallig's influence Tulak Hord found frightening

Fantastic video.