Well I'd argue Plagueis and Darth Traya also pissed off the force to such an extent that it personally ensured their downfall, not so much due to their raw power, but due to their horrific plans.
it couldnt even DO IT by itself...because he legit was its master...someone had to do ritual bs to even stand a chance against him and even then he just about won regardless.
@@dreadrathI very much agree with that, Although I think kreia had a significant hand in instructing Revan and redefining his philosophy and character, seen and felt by the force, thus rebalancing the equation of light vs dark by doing so. Yes she was EVIL, but her plans were ultimately foiled. 😊 Great perspective bro
Eh: Maur. His talisman was so potent that the force itself hid it from the galaxy. Revan was restrained by both Jedi and Sith from unleashing his full potential. Darth Krayt could puncture the Celestial Aboloth bare handed.
You mean hold my Empire that beated Republic and Sith Wmpire, children that were ones of the most powerful user of that Era, Empire older then 50 years, and one of the most powerful Fleet in all of SW?
He ate 2 worlds became immortal mentally inslaved thousands at a time enslaved time ruled two empires at the same time was a master combatant god tier force user Compare that to a bony ballsack that can barely walk... ya..
@@DarthNox66tbf he only beat both of them because he let them weaken each other and brainwashed Revan to do most of his work as well as having technology that was far ahead of his time from the star forge, don’t get me wrong he’s the most powerful and his manipulation and planning is a skill in itself that makes him even better but he didn’t take down both of those empires with his own hands he took them down cause of the weapons he had at his disposal, which in itself is a great feat but not what I think you’re framing it as
Vitiate consumed atleast two planets and 8000 Sith Lords (after dominating their minds) and could even freeze time, i'd definitely say he was more powerful than Sidious. I also love how he used various forms of immortality at once to keep himself alive and not just setting on one. I never thought that Valkorion had actually empowered the Knights of Zakuul from himself, I thought it was just a belief but I do like the idea of it since it aligns with his Children of the Emperor Ritual.
Sidious repeatedly absorbed the life force of a planet with a much larger population but didn’t completely strip the planet of life (that way he could do it repeatedly)
People also disregard that Nathema at the time was also populated by the Sith pure bloods, so not only did he absorb the life force from 8000 Sith Lords, but also millions of a force sensitive species
@@jakealter5504 Sidious did not wanted to strip the planet of life as he wanted to rule over the living as he said to Vader and it would have been foolish as his clone bodies were stored there...
The description of what he was like even as an infant makes me wonder if some even earlier Sith Lord found a way to reincarnate themselves with their prior knowledge and power.
Technically if he did it would have been essence transfer. When Tenebre was born he had an immense dark aura and eyes that were pure black. Which means that he was just born with great power. Much like how Palpatine was very strong already, but Tenebre was just born stronger.
Finally, a video that puts respect on his name! I honestly believe that Valkorian is the embodiment of the Son, who was secretly attempting to enter the galaxy under the the Father's nose..
For those saying "But the Player Character of SWTOR beat Vitiate", its important to remember the context of the 2 times this happened. The first time, at the end of Fallen Empire, it was with the help of Arcann, Vaylin, Senya, AND a Holocron made by Vitiate himself to do so. And the 2nd and final time, the Outlander had even more help from every being who had felt Vitiate's power, and even the Force itself, to kill him forever. Plus it was a older version of Vitiate, a more pure, but unrefined version that didn't have time to build up his full power again.
I'd like to point something out. There is SO MUCH debate on who would win in a duel between Sidious and Vitiate. But people forget that Vitiate has shared experiences. Revan was seen as one of the best users of a lightsaber of his time, and since Vitiate planted part of himself into Revan's subconscious, as well as any other skilled lightsaber users, which would still give him the knowledge of how to wield the infamous tool. 'Course, knowing and using is two separate things, but Valkorian as simply Valkorian before Vitiate was a well known warrior of his home planet.
The mind domination feat to the level of implanting his consciousness into beings - quite fascinating ! And the multiple applications of force lightning is ingenious as well. Remarkable invention!
Darth Vitiate/Emperor Valkorion is the most powerful sith in all of Star Wars. If he returned during the Clone Wars, he would plot from the shadows by exposing Palpatine as a traitor and a sith Lord to the Republic. This would lead to the Republic placing their trust into Vitiate by voting him as Supreme Chancellor. Not only that, He'll have complete control over Coruscant before he continues to resurrect the Eternal Empire from within. However, the Jedi Order will disband after they sense the power he has over the force. Which leads toEmperor Valkorion sending his assassins to hunt down the Jedi Knights one by one. As for the clone troopers, he'll have them executed as well. He'll then turn his sights on the chosen one, Anakin Skywalker despite knowing that Anakin would reach his full potential. And the weapon that Darth Vitiate will use against Anakin would be his two children, luke and leia.
I would like say Valkorian is second Sidious is by EU feats the most powerful Force-user in history. He was capable of generating Force Storms that come close to planet-busting in their power. Revan was small potatoes by comparison just in terms of raw destruction, even though his strategies were legitimately brilliant rather than being incredibly stupid and contrived (but that's more that his games were better-written than the prequels). In terms of fighting ability with just the lightsaber, Palpatine was a match for Windu, arguably the best Jedi swordsman, although Windu and Luke Skywalker were both able to narrowly defeat him, he was nevertheless effortlessly able to dismantle three Jedi Masters. It's his ability with The Force that swings it, though. He's able to tap into the life-force of whole planets to sustain himself, extend his life by transferring his consciousness via the Force to other bodies, and of course his ability to generate wormholes capable of killing the populations of entire planets. It got to a point where he became a nexus of the Dark Side of the Force, capable of damaging the fabric of spacetime with his very presence. It's his ability with The Force that swings it, though. He's able to tap into the life-force of whole planets to sustain himself, extend his life by transferring his consciousness via the Force to other bodies, and of course his ability to generate wormholes capable of killing the populations of entire planets. It got to a point where he became a nexus of the Dark Side of the Force, capable of damaging the fabric of spacetime with his very presence. Revan was exceptionally skilled in The Force and with the lightsaber, but it was his tactics and strategy which put him up in the annals of Jedi and Sith history - he was a total geniu.
@@chadbrad8100 Sidious isn't even close to Valkorian. Sidious is a wannabe compared to Valkorian. Valkorian did his feats and powers while his essence was divided among many other people. Sidious never even came close to pulling something like that off, much less draining an entire planet.
Still don't know how Sidious is considered so powerful. He literally reaped the legwork of every Dark Jedi and Sith Lord ever, and then got chucked down a reactor shaft after a 20 year rule. Even including Legends, his feats were minimal compared to the majority of the most powerful of Dark Side Force users.
Minimal? My dude, he propagated a galactic war that he completely controlled(he was leading both sides) which ended with the jedi order being destroyed and him ruling the galaxy. The only reason he lost is that the monster he created turned on him at a crucial moment.
@@shini1908as the guy says alot of work was done for him to even have that opportunity killed his master in his sleep. But feats do not equal power power equals power and still vitiate was involved as emperor of the sith in galactic affairs over 1000 years so honestly yeah pretty minimal
@@hawkeye2467 and yet the guy never won, he schemed for a 1000 years and failed and even as valkorion he only had the power he had because of the eternal fleet(which is stolen tech btw) palpatin clapped the jedi and republic in less then 80 years with no immortality less force powers and less then tenth of the time it took valkorion to make 3 distinct empires(2 sith's one eternal) only for all of them to fail.
@@shini1908 I get it but palpatine reaped of the work of generations to achieve his goal also the jedis general apathy was largely at fault for his rise imo he's undoubtedly more intelligent and cunning however my statement was more on pure power itself to which palps just was not there
Out universe, George Lucas said it, and he's the creator of all this. In uniserse, he's the final sith of the rule of two era, that started very strong with Bane, and was desingned to just go up more and more.
Nihilus vs vitiate is an incredibly interesting possibility, and it really could have happened if vitiate chose to reveal himself during nihilus reign over the galaxy, but vitiate would be like a 5 star buffet for nihilus, vitiates power in the force would send nihilus into a state of unhinged hunger, but vitiate has insane powers that nihilus could only dream of, including warping one’s mind to his singular will, but I imagine there fight would end in a battle of force drain between the two, they have both force drained planets and they both are walking wounds in the force, nihilus is said to be able to drain any force sensitive, however vitiates powers and abilities especially within the mind might be a checkmate for nihilus, but if nihilus is able to fend off vitiates attacks then it would go into a battle of force drain and who would win is entirely up for debate
I agree, I always got the feeling that vitiate over his millennia of existing, unlocked secrets no one ever did before. The power of life drain isn’t unique to Nihilus, just the scale, and I’m sure many powerfull Jedi and sith knew how to counter this ability on a normal scale. I think if anyone could could resist Nihilus in that way, it would be vitiate, and with time to prepare and plan, I think that vitiate would likely come out on top.
@@Gelph I totally agree man, I definitely believe he knew abilities with the force no one else did and that’s why he had my edge in a fight but I could only imagine to the extent nihilus power would grow if he actually drained vitiate
@@scottmcmichael319 oh I see I miss read what you were saying in your original. But yes that would be quite an interesting thing to see. It’s also interesting because it seems that the nathema ritual siphoned force on a level deeper than Nihilus, as his planets are never described as the same sort of oblivion as nathema, I wonder if that kinda power might actually be able to satisfy his hunger for a certain amount of time. It could also imagine it also being his undoing as it might bring him to a point of hunger that he just couldn’t sate in enough time.
@@Gelph He already literally consumed his body and mind and was barely holding his ship together.... :I Nihilus was powerful af, but he was created by turned Revan, and scales similarly to Revan, after becoming Nihilus.... And thats ignoring the MASSIVE weakness that his hunger literally not only was consuming him but had consumed his body and mind.... He had echos of sentience, but more than anything and more as time went on, he was nothing but mindless hunger. Powerful, but not a winning strategy
Idk imo I don't think Vitiate could use his abilities to infiltrate Nihilus' mind. I think even if he did it would break him as he wouldn't be able to deal with Nihilus' inner mind. The hunger being mainly the only thing Nihilus can think about most times I think that unending hunger with in Nihilus' mind would send Vitiate insane and possibly turn him cabbaged lol
I quit SWTOR before Vitiate saga started but damn, sounds great. Would love to see this adapted live action/expanded. Fractured Empire. Sith Empire with multiple Emperors, each a fragment of this Sith Lord and each a twisted but unique reflection of one of the hosts vices, empowering them. E.g. Malgus' self loathing, Nilhilus' greed, Sion's sadism/masochism etc.
I go back to swtor every couple of years. I play the storyline for a few months, then shut it down and park for another couple years. It's a pretty awesome storyline. I suggest you play it!
I've always had a bit of a love-hate perspective on this particular Sith. On the one hand his story is pretty awesome; and on the other he's a big narrative part of the game that effectively ensured we'd never get KOTOR 3.
SWTOR isn't why we never got KOTOR 3. That was a DISNEY decision and had NOTHING to do with SWTOR. It seems you have also forgotten another extremely important reason why we never got KOTOR 3 which is because of the failure of KOTOR 2 and how incomplete that game was. KOTOR 2's failure is one of the biggest reasons why Disney decided to go with a MMO instead of making a KOTOR 3.
One thing I noticed in Rise that Force Lightning Storm... Palpatine's Clone didn't really do much with it... he may have disabled or shot down some but once that had stopped he had basically done little more then slow them down an even sorta regroup them
Most funny thing is that that storm isnt even that impressive compared to the old Sith, Marka Ragnos could cover an entire planet in a lightning storm. Same with Naga Sadow.
@@Vakaria-plays true enough BUT those were the "Ancient" class Sith, most of them, an it's widely believed they COULD do that though... Putting even most of what the Bane era Sith. Even likes of Palpatine could do to shame or at least give him a run for his money
@@Vakaria-plays+ As much as I LOVE Ragnos, when was it ever shown that he could cover an entire planet in a lightning storm (let alone Naga Sadow who was weaker than Ragnos).
Vitiate was named his Sith Lord name and title by Ragnos. He was not named Darth because during Ragnos’ reign he did not want the competitions that came with it. Lords can only be appointed by a lord while the title of Darth can be taken by their apprentices. Vitiate wanted this in his empire because it would distract his followers from working together to overthrow him.
What are you talking about? During his regin there are plenty of Darths alongside the Lords, so if that was Vitiates plan he somehow screwed up big time cause the entire dark council can only hold a seat if they have the title of Darth, but there was also many Sith who had the title of Darth but wasnt a member of the Dark council.
You seem to forget that a lot of the Ancient Sith's power was based on complex rituals and artifacts that enhanced their powers through sorcery. Thr Banite line of Sith were generally more focussed on their personal power. Tulak Hord's claim to fame was his lightsaber skill but even that has context since he was often duelling against Sith Force Blade purists who were largely unfamiliar with lightsabers. Sure he was a power house with the Force too but I've seen little to suggest he was on the level of the most powerful force users.
After doing some research for my myself on this Sith Emperor, I would say he is the most powerful Sith Lord to have ever lived. That could just be my opinion though. My top three mostpowerful Sith Lords are Darth Sidious, Darth Vitiate, and Darth Krayt. As an honorable mention, I would put Darth Reven and Darth Bane somewhere in between my top five most powerful Sith
Daaaaamn, okay, you've convinced me. Vitiate's powers far outstrips Sidious'! 9:08 Also, was that a jab at those "would a Sith lord win against Batman" comments?? 😂
Palpatine: Mastered all 7 Lightsaber Forms, Ended Jedi Dominance through Order 66. Dies by his own lightning twice. Valkorion: Becomes a Sith God via Nathema Ritual and ruled for 1,500 years. Dies by power of friendship(I meant trapping his essence in Satele Shan, then getting destroyed completely by all the Jedi and Sith he wronged.)
It is important to note that the ritual of Nathema was aided by one of the Iokath Machine Gods, Zildrog which was a superweapon he used to kill those on Nathema and absorb their essence which allowed him to achieve immortality to begin with.
Most of Vitiate's vest fears weren't just him. They often requited long, convoluted rituals with loads of prep, artifacts or devices that amplified or enhanced power and/or outside help/power from others to accomish. It's one of the contextual reasons why Vitiate is NOT in fact, more powerful than Sidious.
@@justinanderson2460 LMFAO. Yes, Vitiate was absolutely more powerful than Sidious. Just because Vitiate was smart enough to take advantage of and drain other people of their powers to enhance his own doesn't make him weaker. Vitiate was far more powerful and far smarter than Palpatine could ever hope to be. Palpatine was a weak bitch that got lucky because the Jedi and Republic had become complacent.
Ik Sidious is meant to be most powerful but I think SW fans need to accept, George didn’t have a concrete lore for SW. There are several Sith Lords far more powerful than Sidious.
@@DarthNox66 that is another simplification of what a sith is. First of all, Valkorion/Vitiate is defo a dark side of the Force user. He enslaves all, he doesn’t befriend. He uses the force as a tool which is what being in the dark side is. He uses the force for his personal advantage and benefits. Secondly, given so many siths openly followed him as an emperor, he counts as one. Whether he accepts it or not. This is like if a serial killer went and said “I’m not a murderer, I am a take outer.” Lol
Being a Star Wars fan but more so a fan of literature, I can acknowledge that George wasn’t the best at building the lore but then again he was just trying to direct a movie and hasn’t really done much in the film industry since SW and Indians Jones w/ Spielberg Unfortunately I think fans also muddied the waters with the power scaling. Amazing characters and lore, but the powers just don’t make sense sometimes and are logically inconsistent For example….why don’t force-users just fly?😅 I chalk many things up to happenstance/convenience and “takes too much concentration for a mortal” But it’s all in good fun when you don’t take it too seriously/logically
Any of the ancient Sith were far more powerful than Sidious. That's why the ancient Sith in their immortality couldn't stand Sidious. Sidious rejected the ancient ways of the dark side which made him weaker.
@@headstrongbachelor3152 Marka Ragnos, Darth Bane, Darth Nihilus, Vitiate/Tenebrae/Valkorion, excluding the Sith gods who are on Abeloth's tier and higher there are a bunch of Sith who stomp Sidious.
@@lemonboychris Sidious used telepathy and force dominate mind combine to control the crownies of the empire from his palace while studying the dark side where he learned all the powers the ancient Sith mastered. He even discovered new powers such as force storms that could annihilate a planet.
@@headstrongbachelor3152 here's why you are in the wrong.... The ancient Sith hated Sidious for a number of valid factual reasons. One big one was how Sidious was obsessed and far too close to the Jedi. Even in "Revenge of the Sith" Sidious made the comment to Vader that they needed "to move quickly" because the Jedi would "butcher them like cattle" if they had found out what they did and were planning to do. Sidious was weak to admit that. The ancient Sith were very different. They stayed away from the Jedi because they knew that would make them weaker in the dark side. It was a needless distraction. The potency of the dark side was at its greatest with the ancient Sith. They had dark side sciences and magics that far surpassed the a-typical technologies. They had weapons and icons that were cursed with the dark side that would render a wounded enemy incurable. My favorite were Sith war blades. That's why the ancient Sith didn't like lightsabers and saw them as weaker weapons. Some rode dragons that were cursed by the dark side and it was effortless for them to kill Jedi. They led entire armies of Sith warriors into battle. The ancient Sith would also become immortal in the force after death. That's why they laughed at Sidious because of essence transfer. Take, for example, Darth Malgus in the Old Republic. Despite having cybernetic attachments he could still use dark side lightning because of the Sith magics and alchemy of the time. And Vader? Nope. Even around the time of "A New Hope" Sidious actually went to the Sith home world of Korriban and attempted to make demands on them. They laughed at him and beat him within an inch of his life. He had no chance. They viewed the "Rule of Two" as a weak mockery of what they were supposed to be as an empire. They rightfully viewed Sidious and Vader as a bunch of cry baby noobs. Fact. Your argument is invalid.
The rule of 2 was genius. The ancient Sith Lords failed to wipe out the Jedi and take over the galaxy, and one of the reasons for that is that they betrayed each others which ultimate lead to their defeats. Sidious did where they all failed and after becoming Emperor he drained the life essence of billions if not trillions to increase his powers. He was able to consume a planet such as Byss without any use of complex ritual. He was literally a black hole in the force. Sidious's high force sensitivity combined with his genius level of intellect allowed him to learn all force powers and powers in the dark side there was known and use them in the most cunning way to take over the galaxy and rule it for 20 years, and if his clone bodies were not destroyed he would have lived forever in oppose to Vitiate who was in constant danger of ending in Chaos (which he eventually did).
Valkorion and it's not close...Unless you mean what if full potential Anakin, from my understanding full potential Anakin, Luke and Leia>Anyone. The Skywalkers at full potential are Gods.
Full potential or as we saw him. What he actually achieved couldn't hope to stand against Vitiate but at full potential Anakin would demolish Vitiate with about as much effort as you or I would brush a twig off a jacket.
@@justinanderson2460 i don't agree if we were talking about using lightsaber anhe anakin kills him easly but he can't fight someone who is 1500 years old sith entity which can create real illusions of himself bend multiple wills to his mind feed of death of millions
Wait wait back up. Where is the distinction drawn between Vitiate and Valkorian? Is there a point where one ends the the other begins? Is it like when Melkor become Morgoth, or did I miss something there? I'm so confused lol
He is vitiate and valkorion at the same time. Tenebrae was able to split his spirit into multiple bodies. Search for the children of the emperor for a glimpse of his power.
@@DaG.O.A.T. yea people seem to forget it took the combined power of The Father The Son and The Daughter to banish her and even then they couldn't kill her
He doesn't need to face her directly. If he had finished his galaxy wide ritual she wouldn't exist anymore anyways. Remember his quote: "I hold the patience of stone and the will of stars"
At this point, I think they said Sidious was the most powerful Sith based on lore. In terms of feats and actual concrete evidence, Vitiate stands in a tier of his own.
Would have love to see a vs video between Vitiate and EU Grandmaster Luke Skywalker. Two mighty titans throwing down. And honestly probably very close in power to each other.
We can't imagine this. No one can. This is incredible! This is amazing! We can't believe this. Anakin could have achieve Valkorian. Tell us more about Force abilities. May the Force be with you too😊
Just great m8, atlast the truth has been reviled, Valkorian outshines evryone els, jedi and sith a like, for as u say, he had outgrown the ways of the sith and had besome a powerfull force-user
Sidious was exceptionally powerful in the Dark Side of the Force. There's no denying that. However, there are several ancient Sith that even he can't compete with, and it's not just Vitiate. Their mystic-like powers and unspeakable evil make Sidious look relatively peaceful and civilized.
Its annoying that people fetishises the ancient sith like they were gods. It goes against sith nature that is all about strength struggle and change. They get stronger as time passes. Sidious in legends did feats that the most powerful masters of old could only dream of. Sidious at is most powerful gets dropped in the old republic, he fucks everyone.
16:06 the old empire fall because of Naga Sadow, not Marka Ragnos. Marka Ragnos was such a G, he is one of the only Dark Lords of the Sith that dies of old age. A big flex for sith
Its funny that people say Sidious is stronger than Vitiate, but Sidious wasnt even able to give Anakin what he seeked the most. Saving Padme from Death. But Vitiate knew the secret. Vitiate was able to boost others strength, health and even share the immortality he has obtained (even though it comes with a huge cost). Vitiate could have made Padme immortal just like he shared it with Lord Scourge. The best way to describe Vitiate and why he is this strong is one of his own quotes: "A man can have anything if he is willing to sacrifice". He sacrificed Nathema to gain immortality and he was about to sacrifice the entire galaxy to become a god.
So Vitiate D riders are just resorting to straight up lies now? Sidious literally studied midichlorian resurrection with Plagueis (which has basically no downsides and is much more refined than Vitiate). Ofc he knew how to save Padme, why would he though? Padme would never accept the Empire and Anakin would not become truly powerful in the darkside without the pain and despair of Padme's death.
Many people forget that if he competes against anyone of the Movie trilogies he would automatically win. Nobody would be able to find Tenebrae's true body in this result it would mean that he would keep coming back no matter what you throw at him, even to the point that he can OutLive any opponent. No matter how many Force Storms Palpatine cast upon him or Luke moving a "Black Hole" at him. He would keep coming back and these people have no idea how to even send him to Oblivion forever. The Only way we could even beat the Sith Emperor is because Kira Carsen and Lord Scourge were deeply connected to him and with the help of Revan's Spirit managed to find his true body which even to this day they never even shared where it was, nobody during the Prequel, Original nor Sequel Trilogies have this connection and Revan has long become one with the Force by this Point. The Jedi are severly nerfed during the Clone Wars so that would make The Sith Emperor's job easier. The 'Chosen One' Prophecy would not apply to The Sith Emperor. Ofcourse his downfall will be PlotArmor. He is truly one of the Greatest Evils in Star Wars, Love him more then palpatine!
Can you do a Vide on Anakin Skywalker eyes in the Ahsoka series, people say they are red cause he has the son’s essence within him, thought i’d find a video on you touching on that thank u though may the force be with you 🖖🏼
Vitiate s such a powerful and deadliest Sith Lord to ever had lived, that he nearly reached the level of godhood and that in order to stop him it took the alliance of the combined might of the Galaxy at large:republic and its Jedi, Sith empire and all other non alliances worlds to finally defeat and destroy him for good.
Power creep would be if every next sith gets stronger (thus rule of two or modern Disney star wars) However in the old republic vitiate was past and present the most powerful force user. That's not power creeping, that is good lore building.
@@Valkyraw It is a power creep in the story release timeline. Every next movie/game/book contains more powerful being than the previous ones in order to make them attract attention, constantly pushing the limits of what is possible and how the Force works, even if it breaks the lore. So the characters in the first movies that started it all sudenly look like a bunch of losers, and nothing makes any sense anymore.
As a Prodigy into the force he had access to advanced Sith lore and knowledge. Plagueis only had a small fraction of that knowledge. Vader was taught very little of true Sith Lore. Only if he truly knew the power of the Dark side, if Plagueis found Anikin 1st. Star Wars History would be very different.
This is why I love Star Wars, it just keeps getting deeper and more interesting as I get older 😂. (Not counting the sequels and the majority of this crap put out under Disney)
Sith which I think are more powerful than sidious: Marko ragnos literally the only sith respected by all sith. Vititate Darth nihilus Darth plagueis literally sidious killed him in his sleep because he feared him plus this is the same sith who learned to create and resurrect life and his greatest feat was conquering the force with darkside to weaken the jedi. Tulak hoard a sith capable of defeating armies of jedi and sith singlehandedly this during a time where jedi and sith were warriors and more powerful than high republic jedi. And lastly revan.
Just at the 10:00 mark in the video and valkorian has definitely earned the title of godhood with his feats so far ( I actually didn't know any of this and I had still come up with similar abilities for a theoretical self insert of myself into starwars so yeah OP as shit)
Personally, I find the debate as to who is the most powerful to matter far less than who was the most successful. And for me insidious takes the cake for actually have a wiped out Jedi order when it consisted 1000s and the Sith only had two. But I suppose, even that is subjective.
That would be if you assume vitiate wanted to destroy the jedi, which he really didn't care about. His only objective was to become immortal and a God. The sith were his pawns, a means to an end. He wanted endless conflict between the sith and the jedi so that he could use the death and destruction as fuel for his galaxy wide ritual. Basically he never wanted the sith to beat the jedi. If he wanted to he could have a long time ago. The eternal empire is proof of that. Both the sith and the jedi were defeated and subjugated in the war against the eternal empire and thus the eternal empire de facto controlled the galaxy.
@@TectonicShiftLTD but living a long time was never the goal of the Sith per se. It was to destroy the Jedi. And insidious did almost a perfect job of doing that. Except give Disney another decade and basically he will have only wiped out a few percent of the Jedi at this rate.
@@ecargfosreya This is also wrong. The goal to destroy the Jedi came at a later point. The Sith and the Sith ideology never had such goal. This is also why the ancient sith hated the rule of two sith, because they believed that the rule of two sith were wasting their time with the jedi.
Because he had too much of a God complex that's why he thought of them as Petty... He was so overconfident and delusional and paid the price for it in the end
@@DaG.O.A.T. what price? He died after living for a millennia?? And thats still open to interpretation if he doesnt exist? He had an entire society he raised up to be better than the Jedi and Sith... so where was the delusion?? Didnt he hold Revan captive for 300 years? Ok maybe he died. And? Who doesnt
@@isessogroup Eh, you could argue since Vitiate/Tenebrae/Valkorion was effectively immortal and still died. But the amount of effort it took for him to die outweighed any negative things that one could bring up about him. You had Kira and Scourge search the galaxy for his real body, the alliance commander and his goons, the force itself and all of the strongest force users in the galaxy tag team on him to "win".
