Ultimate ROLAND JUNO-60 comparison: TAL & ARTURIA VS real Vintage JUNO!

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Lately, I was truly surprised when I recorded the demos for the "Analogue Blind Tasting" at the end of my kind of inspirational "Plugins vs Hardware" Video. To be honest, it wasn’t really what I’d expected! By Far!!!!
I tried to match the sounds on these three Synths as close as possible: Roland JUNO-6 from 1982, the Arturia Emulation June 6V and the often highly praised direct concurrent TAL-U-NO-LX.
So what do you think? And what do you like most?
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@nosense280 Год назад

As a poor guy I’m happy with TAL! Thank you for making all those highly enjoyable videos ✌

@dariuseviltwin Год назад

Really pleased that the TAL chorus has its own plugin. It might not be 100% accurate to the real Juno (especially 1+2) but it is so fat and works magic on any basic synth needing some extra spice.

@winesynths Год назад

Yes! You are right! There is also a standalone Juno chorus from Arturia!

@helisoma 11 месяцев назад

i got the Juno 60 stand alone chorus from Roland and it's stunning imho and i use it on a variety of soft synths

@sevchyk 9 месяцев назад

The video starts at 7:35.

@Pintosonic 7 месяцев назад

Nowadays there’s no reason to discard plugins based on sound quality. Of course they don’t replicate the experience of playing on the real instrument but in a mix, nobody can ear the difference and nobody cares. I’m not saying people should get rid of their hardware synths, I’m just saying use whatever works for you. Some people need the tactile feel of the knobs and sliders to dial in the sounds and feel inspired. Others don’t have the space or money for hardware synths and use plugins to achieve the results they seek. At the end of the day making music is what matters.

@adirsab 2 месяца назад

I can defiantly hear the difference (unfourtently)

@harveyspecter1653 7 месяцев назад

I used to be one of those "nah hardware is noticably better" guys, having about 14 HW synths over here and I guess 98% of every soft synth out there; Imo the soft synths have become soooo good it's not worth it anymore to keep spending thousands on hardware..... I feel both Arturia and Tal are worthy simulations. I wasn't that much an Arturia fan in their first versions but they have seriously improved and are now equally good imo. Thank you for this lovely demo!

@adirsab 2 месяца назад

Hardware got some "balls". software cant emulate that unfourtently (in 2024)

@matthewcassette Год назад

A very fair review. I own a DX21 and DX7, I use FM VSTs time to time but something about the physical synth in front of you is hard to replace. VSTs are so close these days and it's a great direction for the music industry. If i could afford a 6 or 106 I would haha it's only VSTs for the time being.

@b2zap665 Год назад

U he diva is an amazing sounding plugin. I’d recommend checking it out if you haven’t already!!

@vaiman7777 Год назад

I could tell, but I do own a 60. I think software on every synth is close these days. I also own a Juno-X, also really really close. But as you say, there's something magical about sitting in front of one and playing it. Something that's lacking in the software, clones and even my Juno-X. My car is amazing and very fast, but it's never going to be a Ferrari experience either.

@helisoma 11 месяцев назад

@13:05 blind results...i also managed to guess these as i have both a Juno-6 and the TAL and have compared them and the Juno-6 still has a bit more more bite on the low end especially...i plan to try the Arturia mainly for having a larger patch reference 😁👍🏻...a great review and i completely agree with your assessments

@mirr1984 Год назад

I have the TAL Juno and from this demonstration it does sound a bit harsher than the real deal and also a bit more than the Arturia version. It sounds to me like the TAL Juno seems to have a lot more around 5 khz which doesn't make it sound as smooth. What makes the TAL Juno really nice though is the voice tuning mod. I feel like that is where it really shines.

@winesynths Год назад

Meanwhile we made similar comparison with the Jupiter clones and SH-101 VST from TAL with their vintage counterparts. TAL always sounds a bit rougher and unpolished than the originals! But they are still great synths, which sit in the mix! Especially, the 101 VST makes a lot of bass pressure. So it's a great alternative if you don't want to afford a vintage SH, which still is one of the greatest bass synths ever! 🍀🤖

@harveyspecter1653 7 месяцев назад

I usually apply 2 trick on these old soft synth emulations: - Add a sub base plugin but very very gently. Just need a little more sub harmonics. - Add EQ with a high shelve around 5k and -3dB. Then, it is often nearly impossible to tell the difference. Sometimes you can hear the difference becausa a VCO with drifting sounds wider. This can be solved by adding some pitch shift plugin with gentle modulation. You can really make these soft synths sound like the old hardware. And for a fraction of the price.

@JT-qc2nb 3 месяца назад

Recently ran some tests with a bass, pad, and poly using a Juno 106, the Roland Cloud 106, and Softube's 84. The differences were so nominal I'm pretty much convinced to sell my Juno 106 to not deal with the headaches. It's a beautiful machine, but the hardware inconsistencies and no recall make it almost not worth owning.

@MELOPSMUSIC 11 месяцев назад

I had the juno 106 and 60, and many others ...i can tell without a doubt that tal is really really close to the real and i d never buy a real again (for collection yes, not for better sounding).

@MikeGomeztheDMG Год назад

This is a fabulous video! I am in the market for either the Arturia or TAL and was leaning to TAL. However, I may go w/ Arturia to pickup the Jupiter/OB-6 package 😆

@winesynths Год назад

The Arturia Obi also sounds quite decent! If you watch my Ise-Nin review, there is even a quick comparison with a real Jupiter-8. Also in this respect, Arturia did well. 🍀

@the_JTowny Год назад

Lol. I was right. It's the way the filter reacts to the keyboard tracking. I didn't know if it was the real Juno, I just thought it sounded the best. They're all good enough if you want that sound for a track.

@mykdubz128 7 месяцев назад

Ich hatte mir vor einiger Zeit den DCO 106 von Cherry Audio gekauft - hätte ich gern im Vergleich gehört. In dieser Auswahl hat mir Arturias Plugin am besten gefallen. Der TAL Synth ist mir in den Höhen zu "digital".

@jenslempke7501 10 месяцев назад

Music listeners don't analyze like this, so all three Or AIR Jura, the Roland Cloud version will do perfectly.

@winesynths 10 месяцев назад

If you know how to mix!

@wrmusic8736 Год назад

I thought real Juno 60 was C when listening to the previous video. Especially when the chorus was used - the gap in sound has increased further. Usually this kind of blind test should be tricky as very simple and short sequences are used so the difference should be hard to tell - as analog synths are especially distinguishable with long release times and some resonance - so that means at least Tal's and Arturia's plugins have ways to go.

@adirsab 2 месяца назад

The real one sounds amazing. software sounds like software

@winesynths Месяц назад

exactly! 😁

@sideast 9 месяцев назад

The Plugins have quiet low end in comparison to the Real Juno which is much more balanced.

@maxmeier532 4 месяца назад

What are the computer hardware prerequisites to have minimal delay / latency when you use software synths? I tried using a digital piano with VST piano on a laptop (Core i5, 8GB ram) and it was unusable. I used Kontor and also tried Reaper with VSTs. You'd hit a key and there was a very significant delay. Played around with drivers (used ASIO as recommended) and while it did improve it remained unusable.

@winesynths 4 месяца назад

Your computer should be fine. You will also need a good interface and have to use ASIO drivers if it’s on PC. Then you will have to decrease the buffer size in your hosting DAW.

@MrSmithUK 10 месяцев назад

The emulations are certainly very close. You wouldn’t know in a mix.

@RogerBrenon Год назад

New ROLAND CLOUD JUNO 60 WINS.

@RJ1J 5 месяцев назад

Arturia sounds flat, TAL is more realistic but too aggressive sadly. The real thing is way ahead because the filter sounds so much better than any software. That's the reason to use the hardware. You can get some good pad and bass sounds out of software, but the envelope filter on the original beats plug-in. I've done the same test, hardware won every time. Softube are virtually giving away their Juno emu it's so bad.

@tfleiter 8 месяцев назад

I have tons of hardware synths too...but they are getting way less use now as the plugins are really virtually the same sounding. That said...i think your comparison is not totally fair as the hardware samples are just a bit louder and appear therefore more brilliant. I think you should also mention what recording interface etc. was used for the JUNO 6...because the sound difference might just orignate from there. Anyone who as a studio knows that different interfaces have their own characters. So....how about listing the used recoding hardware the next time around?

@winesynths 8 месяцев назад

Nothing special here. Juno was recorded through my Presonus 32R Mixer directly to Ableton (without warping! of course!). Otherwise, I use an Arturia Audiofuse Studio as an interface. Both devices have absolutely clean and neutral highres ADCs. I also took care to match the loudness and volume of the three samples. Otherwise, a comparison like this one does not make a lot of sense. But you are right! Next time I won't miss mentioning those details! 👍

@tfleiter 8 месяцев назад

@@winesynths Maybe you should try to use a DAW that is more focused on faithful audio-recordings - like Logic or Protools etc.- instead of Ableton which is thought by some to add "clarity" to recordings - e.g. a little loudness effect. But it doesn't matter if that is true or not...the sound quality of the Juno 6 plugins is so close to the original that I would make any bet that you will not be able to identify the differences in any more complex music piece. I think the hardware versus software issues boils down to practicality: I can carry a huge synth collection around on a laptop that sounds absolutely amazing and that's simply not possible with any hardware solution. Otherwise there is lots of nostalgia involved when it comes to hardware. Yes...I remember what I used to play on the keyboards every time I switch them....but that's more like an old people thing.