Ultimate StarCraft Duel: 1998 vs 2024! 

Lowko: "There are no queens in StarCraft 1!" SC1 Terran Mech player who just had his entire tank line destroyed by spawn broodlings: (cries)

im hoping this becomes a longterm thing on the channel

Oddly, I enjoy these games more than the standard SC2 videos I've been watching for years.

Very cool to see the community getting frustrated waiting for blizzard to balance and just deciding to do it for themselves. It'll be cool to see SC1 vs SC1 on the SC2 engine eventually.

Starcraft 1 is still the Starcraft that I play 20 years later. I've only watched Starcraft 2 so this is an absolute blessing of a Mod to watch!

About the "useless upgrades" Lowko mentioned at about 40:00. It's not about their uselessnes in Brood War. It's all about the timings and how the builds are layered. Backing in the Shuttle speed upgrade would make the Shuttle Reaver builds come online much earlier thus making them way more devastating. There would be timings where thre would just not be any counterplay at all. And making the Shuttle take longer to build and/or cost more would also potentially devaluate Mass Shuttle play in the mid-game with Templars. The same can be said for the Siege Mode or Ultra plating. Early game Tanks are used to ward off early game aggresion without siege and the complex micro dance with Dragoons is a part of it. Earlier, cheaper Siege mode would eliminate that whole interaction. Making Siege tanks cost more or build longer to compensate would mean that Terran will have to take more expansions faster -- and that's not a race that's notoriously hard to expand with in several matchups. Ultras with the upgrade would just immediately massacre Marines without +2 upgrades themslves. The thing is, even 20+ years later Brood War is a much more precicely tuned game than SC2. I'm not saying that means it's better balanced, mind you. I'm saying that what may have worked with almost constant tuning of SC2 over its lifespan dos not apply to Brood War. The logic and consequences are just not the same.

Wow Queen SC1 is crazy, that's basically an instant snipe on mech units.

I also got used to the visuals of the SC2 siege tank, but I do miss the sound effects of the SC1 tank. The thundering quality that the siege attack sound effect has is unsurpassed by SC2.

I started playing Starcraft 1 when i was 6 years old. It is so amazing seeing and hearing all the sc1 units on the sc2 engine. Awesome stuff!

1:40 you don't need much creep in SC1 anyways, as AFAIK it did not boost speed in SC1.

Yay! 52 minute long Video. Thanks lowko!

Lowko, the terrans are turtling a lot but these guys are just trying to fight the 6-pool ptsd lmfao. These terrans are remembering nam😂

I was sad they omitted so many units from SC1 and about so many art changes, so this is sooo up my alley.

Please keep these StarCraft Evo videos coming!!! They’ve been the best things I’ve seen this year in gaming so far

Thanks for the video, Lowko. Happy Friday! ❤❤❤

SC1 Queen’s Nest is a circular dome-looking like structure. Seems like they are using a different asset. Even for the sunken colony. It’s different. That one came from the SC2 asset from the campaign.

I've been waiting for this!

Id forgotten about bw queens! Parasite gives vision, omg i loved that spell

Keep these videos coming. So fun

omg more evo?! THANK YOU LOWKO! WE LOVE YOU!

Lowko, they can fly now!

really curious how a mod like this hasnt been thought of earlier

Nice, now mutalisks can finally mute again, that was the reason it was called mutalisk in the first place.

Ngl I think not mentioning that spawn broodlings one shots a unit is a bit of a miss in the first cast, you mostly just say that they're throwing broodlings around, but the broodlings are the least important part of the ability

great series!

MORE MORE MORE LOWKO! WE WANT MORE!

Very cool mod. Lots of fun to watch

If you infest a planetary fortress with a queen, it should keep its cannons lol

My takeaway from the few games I've seen of this mod on your channel: if you play the sc2 pieces, you should be much more aggressive. Sc1 races feel way slower but once they get going, they are quite strong. Love the mod videos, keep em up lowko!

Love watching these videos as much if not more that SC2 vs SC2 🤙

Even though these games weren’t balanced FOR eachother, you can tell each faction has tools for different scenarios. So it just kind of works. SC 1 mech is different than SC 2 mech, but each race has a strategy to address mech. Loving this mod.

Amazing to see BroodWar again! Love it so much!

YES MORE !

MORE OF THIS CONTENT!

Vultures have such a power boost in this mod, their damage against most targets was basically doubled. On a unit that was already this strong and cost effective it's a lot. Their interraction with dragoons is completely turned on its head.

man imagine if we could see flash (sc1) vs serral (sc2). how epic would that be. this new map/mod is cool.

I love the Defiler and Sunken Colonies

I could watch this gameplay all day lol.

Yo nice video! Also I think that the other upgrade is the goliath missile range

leos gooo i love this content

while the starcraft1 storm looks nicer it needs a circle or something to show where its hitting as some times i kinda cant tell readability vs visuals

Cool to see something different

Its so cool to see new Terrans vs old protos. Its looks like nowdays Terrans found some forgotten Protoss planet fighting them like "Future is now, old men."

classic lowko being critical of the terran for not attack when the zerg hasnt even left his side of the map yet classssic lowko

ah those queens lording over the hydra push, could have been picking away at the army ; they weren't doing a lot on offense once the base race began but he still won

Would be nice to see 2x2 games in this mode, but it's only allowed to be 1 race per team. So it would be something like SC1 Zerg + SC2 Zerg against SC1 Terran + SC2 Terran, for example, then we can have ultimate battles between the starcraft races with both advantages and disadvantages of both versions of starcraft!

More onthis Lowko

18:22 - missed opportunity for Brenda.. NEED FOR A SWORD! (or whatever it is that they say)

you forgot one queen ability: infest command center, which it looks like he was trying to use at 15:34 it doesn't show up as an ability if i recall correctly but if a command center is in the red of it's HP a queen infests it and takes it over at which point it can create infested terrans.

6:25 and 10:20... I thought that turtling is one of the root signs of the Terran race 😁 I also like the term Sim City, lol. I call it "Tower defense", for example

Hell yeah more 1+2 Starcraft.

I've played starcraft since it's release. The most efficient way to spread creep was with static defenses. Not only does it spread creep, but it also gives you map sight and pings when you're being attacked.

very cool

The Zerg actually were originally the tyranids. StarCraft 1 was originally meant to be a Warhammer 40k game but they couldn’t get the licensing.

Would love to see infested terran command centers!

Remember, three vultures cost 225 minerals, but two stalkers cost 250 minerals and 100 gas. Losing 2 stalkers and a probe to 3 vultures is a very bad trade. This happened at 27:37 just look at the minimap (remember, Lowko has vision of both players). It goes dark except for the pylon. Lowko missed this event when he thought the battle was over and moved his camera, but I had already seen this match on harstem's channel.

Can we also get a game of SC1 vs SC1 from this mod too please Lowko? SC1 armies clashing in SC2 engine is something I've been really wanting to see.

Love this mod

So if you ask me, I know they're not equivalent as tech structures but I think the BW version of the Twilight Council is the Arbiter Tribunal.

Would love to see 2v2, with same races on the same team like sc1 terran and sc2 terran vs sc1 zerg and sc2 zerg etc.

i guess you forgot flying units are a great target for zergs in SC 1, they had terrors back then, so anything what flies dies fast

So much nostalgia

5 min no rush

i love how everytime lowko cast and protoss is in the game he always mentions tempest

Hydras + queens is great anti mech composition. Terran was too passive though.

I really like this mod.

It looks like protoss is able to alternate the unit factions like in the campaign.

ooh! more SC1 mod! YES! The hatchery morphing into a Lair doesn't cover the whole hatchery, lol. I love the Hydralisk look, how they added the SC1 skins to SC2. also love the Drone and Protoss 'mining' sound....ahh love the good ol' days.... some of the sounds like the Hydralisk attack and Drone mining are really quiet...is it just me, or my headphones? ooh, PartinG is here?!?! Let's go!!!! I think making BW Terran 'Siege mode' makes it more true to BW, even it makes BW Terran "less powerful" I forgot Depot's can't be lowered in BW as well, lol ahh, the Marine death sound....nostalgic, and the Vulture mine sound, lol ahhh, yes the comsat station sounds, and the High Templar death sounds..... I forgot about the BW Archon attacks! Yeah, Lowko the SC1: BW sounds are really nostalgic! Thanks for casting these games! it'll be interesting if this mod will come to the GSL

I rarely did reaver drops, the scarabs are too stressful to control😂

starcraft 2 will live as long as lowko lives.

I feel like currently the key here for SC2 races is to do their usual builds that include heavy worker harrass. SC1 races just have fewer tools early and also not used to starting with 12 workers, while SC2 builds are basically unaffected.

I'd like to watch some tvt, zvz, and pvp fights

The thing about Queens in SC1 is that it doesn't have the SC2 QOL for casting. They get much better when you can cast from a single queen while a group is selected.

I'm honestly surprised how no sc1 Terran has used Lockdown until now. Just make 5-10 ghosts and lockdown HPTs like Colossus and maybe immortals in a deathball.

The Brenda Queen needs to be an official canon thing

Cool games. Just imagine if Terran lost flying buildings in SC2 like Zerg queens.

Lowko should upload a video playing the mod ! Like so he does it !

I think one of the greatest things about this mod is being able to wath broodwar legends fight against sc2 legends

40:30 > There is a Raven on the map and you don't call it out!

I think the sc1 spellcasters are so strong because sc1 units are harder to control so spells have to be more rewarding

I'd love to see 2v2 on this mod

*I want to see someone try to Infest and steal Command Centers as Sc1 Zerg here, since you could Infest Terran Command Centers at half health with Sc1 Queen in Starcraft1/Brood War to build (Volatile) Infested Terrans.*

I am waiting for someone to actually use DARK ARCHONS! Nobody seems to think they'd be any good, but I think they'd be super busted. Maelstrom specifically.

bruh the first game..the terran player was just playing campaign on brutal difficulty having to fight off waves of hydralisks haha

its funny how everyone tries to talk about brood war as a superior game that "never needed balance patches"....they port it into the starcraft 2 engine, suddenly they start having to make changes to it. almost like the reason it "didnt need balance patches" was because 60% of playing sc1 is fighting with the game to do what you want

This mode os nice

Very cool! I think SC2 Terran will need to rely on airpower to fight SC1 protoss. Viking, Raven, Banshee, Lib comp here we go!

Wait, I saw some previous videos that had the sunken colonies looking more like SC1's. Why is it back to the SC2's Sunken Colony look?

Lowko, are we gonna get a prequel show called Young Brenda? Haha Also, I'd like to see games with skins if its possible.

I think at some point if a game is good - it will always be good. It's not like human perception of fun changes a lot over the years. Chess are popular and they hadn't changed a bit. What usually stops me from playing very old games isn't the gameplay but the graphics. At some point it just becomes bad enough that I can't enjoy it. But that mostly applies to early 3d games like Soul Reaver 1 or Tomb Raider. SC1 and even WC2 still look perfectly serviceable even in their original state, and they look outright good with HD mods/remasters. And since they play good as well - they are kind of immortal.

It's very difficult to get rid of parasite but aside from killing the afflicted unit a medic can cleanse it off

I really want to see an infested CC!!!!

Storms in BW do stack.

Clearly the protoss in the final game should've gotten Maelstrom.

Zerg look like Tyranids because, if I remember correctly, in its early alpha Star Craft was a game base on Warhammer 40k. Look on line for the very early Zerg images. They look pretty much like Tyranids.

Spawn Broodlings could've been balanced by removing instakill while staying true to it's ability name of spawning more Broodlings, maybe simplify said name to just Broodspawn. Scourges are so broken in the SC2 engine because the unreliable pathfinding wasn't there to hold them back, best to remove it entirely and replace it with a Zergling morph that loses their legs but gives them wings to fly, thus staying true to Alarak's statement. There has to be a way to dodge Reaver shots in this engine. It's unfair even though Scarabs cost minerals. Why not make them a slow-moving projectile that ignores terrain? And can be replenished without costs like a normal weapon? Excluding Observers and Shuttles, Robotics Facility only has one unit. Early harassment? Give them an Interceptor variant that doesn't require a Carrier. Defensive support? Give them something that interacts with shields in an interesting way. Something has to be done to avoid Terran complacency vs. Protoss. Bio and Mech should be viable across all matchups. A bio unit that is basically a 1 supply glass cannon Marauder would give Terran bio an edge against Protoss since buffed Dragoons no longer have to deal with SC1's awful pathfinding. If the intention of this mod is to replicate SC1, it should not only to recreate almost the same thing, but to add and improve upon it. I'm more of an RTS guy that likes more unit variety.

@lowko talk of brood wars in sc2 can we get a “mass recall” run through?

If we dont get a PLAGOO from you at some point lowko ill be very disappointed

waiting for the queens to infest the command center

SC2 did have an update today I bet it was to this game mode.