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Umbreon vs Espeon - Who beats Crystal faster? 

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Playthrough Rules:
1. Only my starter in battle
2. No items in battle (except held items)
3. No glitches or exploits*
4. No Double-Team TM before level 100*
Other rules:
-- My Pokemon have perfect genetics to ensure fair comparison between species.
-- *Pokeballs & Pokedolls are allowed in battle
-- *The badge-boost glitch is not restricted at all
-- *Skipping the Rocket Hideout & Marowak is allowed
-- I play the game at 4x game speed (238 frames per second)
-- My Pokemon has perfect DVs
-- The bike is allowed
-- Skipping the bike is not allowed
-- Saving between league members is allowed
-- If the solo Pokemon faints and I choose to blackout it counts towards my reset counter
-- I can pause the game & timer to take breaks
-- The footage is sped up / slowed down to match the pace of my narration
*Double-Team:
-- Almost every Pokemon can learn Double-Team through TM
-- The TM can be purchased in Celadon
-- Using it would centralize the meta
-- Every Pokemon would use it to overcome tough battles at lower levels
-- It raises evasion
-- It triggers the badge boost
-- Banning the TM allows Pokemon who learn it through level up to use it
-- I believe evasion is part of Pokemon and shouldn't be banned entirely
-- I don't want the videos to all be double-team spam though, that's not fun or entertaining
Terms:
-- STAB
-- Same-Type-Attack-Bonus - a 1.5x damage multiplier
-- Stat Experience
-- The Gen1&2 equivalent of effort values. You can invest in all stats until they max
out at 65535
-- DVs or Determinate Values
-- The Gen1&2 equivalent of IVs (individual values), these range from 0-15
Resources:
-- Gen 1 Stat Calculator: pycosites.com/pkmn/stat_gen1.php
-- All Trainer Pokemon have IVs (DVs) of 89888 (hp, atk, def, spd, spc)
-- All Trainer Pokemon have EVs of 0
-- Gen 1 Crit Rates: www.smogon.com/rb/articles/cr...
-- Crit rate is determined by dividing base speed by 512
-- High crit rate moves determine their rate by dividing base speed by 64
-- All crits have a 1/256 to fail, even if the rate is 100%
-- Crits don't multiple damage by 2, it's a formula based on level
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@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Год назад
Regarding Espeon's Hidden Power Type: Ice is required for Lance and has the best general utility throughout the entire playthrough. Psychic does 75%-88.82% damage to the first two Dragonites and I need to avoid Thunder Wave at both of them. HP Ice manages Bayleef, Clair, Will, Crobat, Onix, Vileplume, and Lance. Regarding HP Fire & Water, these generally has significantly less impact due to the type matchups in the major battles of this game. They also don't materially impact the Lance fight. Espeon could use Curse for Snorlax. I did consider this. But I felt that it wasn't a good option because it cuts speed and exposes Espeon to powerful special attacks from Red's remaining Pokemon. With a Pokemon that is frail, that didn't seem like it was playing to it's strengths. Finally, lowering Accuracy and raising Evasion are completely different. Using Mud-Slap on Snorlax is not equivalent to setting up with Double Team. Because Evasion would have persisted throughout the rest of the fight. Accuracy helps against 1 Pokemon, Evasion helps against all Pokemon. That's why I restrict evasion and do not restrict accuracy.
@TheLeviathan1293
@TheLeviathan1293 Год назад
Something to consider about curse is, Espeon is not that frail when fighting special attackers.
@jainabraina
@jainabraina Год назад
Espeon is nearly as specially bulky as Umbreon! If you look at Slowking, famously specially bulky, you'll find that Espeon has the same defensive stats on the special side. It's no slouch there!
@graeff
@graeff Год назад
I'd try hp fighting, it would work well against dark types and snorlax :)
@manemanen
@manemanen Год назад
Maybe more Iron/hp up/protein investment for espeon next time dont know how many vitamins you feed in gen 2 in total but feel like you have a better red with the curse Stray since blastoise uses Rain dance alot and venasuar solarbeam or sunny day
@gidan1128
@gidan1128 Год назад
@@graeff HP fighting is physical - definitely not a good choice.
@Will-ew8db
@Will-ew8db Год назад
Scott - Umbreon had Faint Attack in the Rocket fight vs. the Koffing and Weezing. It has slightly less power than Return, but it never misses. You would have easily won with using Faint Attack instead of Return.
@tamlynloell
@tamlynloell Год назад
And Koffing/Weezing have both less special defense
@antoniocalado7101
@antoniocalado7101 Год назад
Came here to say the same 👍
@chrisdaignault9845
@chrisdaignault9845 Год назад
Yup
@kalasrey1670
@kalasrey1670 Год назад
I was screaming man, that was so painful for me to watch
@mattulibarri6181
@mattulibarri6181 Год назад
I was also about to comment on that 😂 I thought maybe I was losing my mind and faint attack wasn't a move that always hit in gen 2
@SaintoftheHonest
@SaintoftheHonest Год назад
Fun fact: Bite is the ONLY attack in the game that has ever changed between Phys/Spec TWICE. In gen 4, it went from Special to Physical, but people forget that it waz Normal in Gen 1, so it changed from Physical to Special in gen 2. On a related topic, losing access to Bite is gonna be huuuuuge for Espeon - you can learn it as Eevee before you evolve usually. I wonder what a Crystal run of all the Eeveelutions would be like if you started with the Lost Event Eevee for all three of them (Growth Eevee was distributed from irl Pokemon Centers in gen 2, but can't be transferred forward)
@DennisTheZZZ
@DennisTheZZZ Год назад
I'm currently speedrunning Crystal with Espeon as Alt Main Pokémon (start with the Eevee from Bill, items in battles are allowed, regular speed), got a time of 3:51:53 though I'm sure it can have a time under 3:40:00. With Espeon evolving at level 36, thus having Bite and Psybeam before Chuck, it's a very fun route since you have to raise friendship as fast as possible. I even inspired some more experienced speedrunners to try it (I started about 2 months ago) and when you get that Espeon, it's pretty much a breeze.
@calvinsimpson1301
@calvinsimpson1301 Год назад
I don't think people forgot it was normal in gen 1 considering dark types didn't exist and bite did
@tylerd1297
@tylerd1297 Год назад
@@DennisTheZZZ do you or anyone else have this posted on RU-vid or twitch? Edit: nvm clicked your profile and see it lol tho I'd be interested if the other people is anyone I would know, or just personal friends of yours
@tsawy6
@tsawy6 Год назад
@@calvinsimpson1301 is the fact that bite is in gen 1 /that/ well remembered?
@rikaniebangbang
@rikaniebangbang Год назад
@@DennisTheZZZ I love your Espeon route! I've tried it myself and absolutely love it (though I add X Acc Zap Cannons for Blue and Red and switch on animations just because it's a fun animation). Took me a second attempt to figure out that Rare Candies need to be used in Goldenrod to get the extra friendship in the end haha
@gidan1128
@gidan1128 Год назад
I feel like Espeon wouldn't have had so much trouble against Red if you had just ditched Psychic and given it the same curse treatment as Umbreon. It's sp def is good enough that it could have just set up against the Pikachu and then 2-shot the Snorlax with +6 return.
@DennisTheZZZ
@DennisTheZZZ Год назад
Only problem is, that Pikachu likes to use Charm a lot, making setting up against it almost worthless.
@sonshawnzy9975
@sonshawnzy9975 Год назад
Curse is clutch on Umbreon . Curse substitute was a good tactic for me on Pokémon showdown
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Год назад
Oh dear, would Espeon be good with rest, protect, curse, return?! Not another Pokémon…..
@ShArifBraXtoN
@ShArifBraXtoN Год назад
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon I think that you could have kept psychic and ran curse, psychic, rest and return. Since Espeon already has good SpD, it could have survived a special attack and then gotten set up. I'd say probably set up on the Umbreon and not the Pikachu to avoid the charm. I know Espeon could cheese mud slap, but it probably would have been more consistent since you'd be super tanky even if you were missing attacks.
@sonshawnzy9975
@sonshawnzy9975 Год назад
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon nah return is physical move . I mean I guess possibly but prob not
@TyrantofChaos
@TyrantofChaos Год назад
Great video so far, 44:05 in. I hate to say that I audibly said “Use Faint Attack, it won’t miss!” when you were fighting that team rocket member who used accuracy lowering moves.
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Год назад
I think this is how everyone watching felt hahaha
@TheDarkFiddler
@TheDarkFiddler Год назад
Umbreon has worse STAB options and is a weaker attacker. I don't see it taking the first slot, but I don't see it being a massive blowout.
@adventureoflinkmk2
@adventureoflinkmk2 Год назад
Not to mention dark doesn't get a badge boost anyway
@tylerd1297
@tylerd1297 Год назад
@@adventureoflinkmk2 Espeon doesn't get it until the 9th gym post league anyway and you have to go out of the way to get it. Still worth it though. A lot of people don't even know that there are Badge boosts in Gen 2 lol.
@solidsnakeandgrayfox
@solidsnakeandgrayfox Год назад
I've tried a challenge run with umbreon on crystal, it does great late game. Curse, moonlight, iron tail, mud slap, return. But it struggles with bugsy unless you have sand attack which can hit scyther, it struggles with Whitney, it can struggle severely with jasmine as mud slap is the only effective move up to that point.
@adventureoflinkmk2
@adventureoflinkmk2 Год назад
@@tylerd1297 I had no idea there were badge boosts to specific types till I started watching Scott's Thoughts.. and where exactly do you get the dark type badge boost considering there is no dark gym leader
@Carson_Neiss
@Carson_Neiss Год назад
@@adventureoflinkmk2 There is no dark type badge boost. The only type without a boost.
@jesterbravo3317
@jesterbravo3317 Год назад
Excellent! I went looking for this video a few months ago and was disappointed that you hadn't done it yet. This is exactly what I wanted to see!
@codykaufman2835
@codykaufman2835 Год назад
I feel Umbreon should’ve been considered better. The fact that it had no resets in the final play through shows how consistent it is. Espeon really relied on cheese and a little luck to finish the game. Just my opinion. Great video and big brain switching to hidden power ground
@enitheway
@enitheway Год назад
While I feel the same way, I also feel that since none of the other Pokémon (as far as I remember) had the treatment where the reset counter weighted more so Scott keeps the consistency up. In the bigger picture, results should be comparable and I'm glad Scott keeps it that way even if there are individual performances that should have exeptions.
@panchovilla7355
@panchovilla7355 Год назад
Umbreon also had significantly better luck especially with the critical against Bruno and flinch against poliwrath
@codykaufman2835
@codykaufman2835 Год назад
@@panchovilla7355 I wouldn’t say significantly better luck. I mean everyone has the same crit percentage in gen 2. Umbreon still could’ve won that without crits. Espeon really did need some luck to finish.
@enitheway
@enitheway Год назад
@@panchovilla7355 There's an argument that "having a better luck" is not same as "relying on luck." To clean that argument, there should be a follow-up video where Espeon tries to defeat Red with Curse.
@craigyeah1052
@craigyeah1052 Год назад
@@panchovilla7355 yeah I think Bruno was no problem but that Poliwrath was really lucky. It was a 4 hit ko without a crit and we can assume dynamic punch misses once and Umbreon will get 1 flinch. That being the case, especially factoring in the leer and chance of hitting itself, that's a fight Umbreon is more likely to lose than win.
@Volti666
@Volti666 Год назад
Really enjoyed this one! Thank you Scott!
@moritzgattaz3884
@moritzgattaz3884 Год назад
THANK YOU for this. Simply my two favorite additions in gen II!
@PolsDGas
@PolsDGas Год назад
Another Good content delivery by Scott, as always 👌
@Skajaw
@Skajaw Год назад
The editing and the layouts are amazing, props to you man
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Год назад
Thanks a ton!
@giuseppe177
@giuseppe177 Год назад
Never clicked so fast on a video. Love the content, you're doing amazing!
@kevinsips3658
@kevinsips3658 Год назад
Great video Scott! Loved the huge improvement for ____eon in the 2nd playthrough!
@bobjob2514
@bobjob2514 Год назад
You've been pumping these out like crazy! Thank you. No lie. I got them for Pokedex reasons, but they didn't enter my main party until they were forced on me in Coliseum. Poor moon pup...
@CapnWilly
@CapnWilly Год назад
Yes. This is the VS video I've been waiting for.
@natejeffcoat4403
@natejeffcoat4403 Год назад
I love your content recently thank you Scott
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Год назад
You’re welcome! Glad you’re loving it.
@SourSensationZ
@SourSensationZ Год назад
Huge Umbreon fan. Thanks for all the content you're creating!
@aquana5
@aquana5 Год назад
:)
@crazyoliver7877
@crazyoliver7877 Год назад
I love Umbreon. My favorite.
@eightteentwo
@eightteentwo Год назад
I'm loving all the smooth editing
@Offbreed309
@Offbreed309 Год назад
Glad this one was next, I love them both! 💚
@GoldenDragonplay
@GoldenDragonplay Год назад
Watching this video a day late, but it sure is a nice birthday present to see two of my favourite Pokemon in one video xD
@ruthlesace
@ruthlesace Год назад
I've been watching these for too long, I figured out the improvements you would make during the first playthroughs
@brandonkilbourne76
@brandonkilbourne76 Год назад
Absolutely stoked to come back from work to see my fav eeveelutions head to head
@brandonkilbourne76
@brandonkilbourne76 Год назад
Pre finishing video: Hope Umbreon takes it even with the disadvantage. Used that guy ALL the time as a kid!
@TheOriginalJphyper
@TheOriginalJphyper Год назад
These videos are perfect for passing the time. I've been snowed in for four days and my gaming PC broke down on day 1. You are helping to keep my sanity intact.
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Год назад
That’s sounds terrible… hope it turned out already and the Pc got fixed!
@TheOriginalJphyper
@TheOriginalJphyper Год назад
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon It did. Turns out the hard drive was failing. A technician managed to get everything transferred onto a solid state drive before it died completely. Now it's down again, but that's my own fault. I'm upgrading it and currently waiting for parts to be delivered. Thank you, COVID-19, for putting all of the local computer parts stores out of business...
@ronaldgreig1748
@ronaldgreig1748 Год назад
Umbreon has been my favorite pokemon since its release! Im so glad to see it do so well. Espeon probably could've got a faster time with curse, rest, return and psychic against red. You should do a short video testing that out.
@harrymanocha4533
@harrymanocha4533 Год назад
Hoo boy I've been looking forward to this one. Your timing is great; I've got covid this week and it really wiped me out for a few days. Glad of the top notch content to watch by myself
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Год назад
Hope you’re fully recovered now!
@harrymanocha4533
@harrymanocha4533 Год назад
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon yessir fighting fit thanks to you
@dtayza5432
@dtayza5432 Год назад
Awesome to see the runs of my first two starter pokemon. I'm hoping Umbreon wins but I'm afraid that'll be tough with Espeon's damage output. Whichever way it goes I do want to say I am really enjoying the content this month. You have become my absolute favourite pokemon challenge runner and I want to thank you for all the time and effort you put into these videos. Keep up the great work!
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Год назад
You’re welcome. It’s a joy for me to make these videos!
@yifun6187
@yifun6187 Год назад
oh you spoil me scott, dropping multiple versus videos so close to each other. thanks for the incredible work as always!
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Год назад
You're welcome
@lukepittle8961
@lukepittle8961 Год назад
Your channel really has grown on me. Keep up the great work
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Год назад
Thanks!
@lukepittle8961
@lukepittle8961 Год назад
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon love the depth you go into and also how you optimise your runs, it’s a breath of fresh air
@challengerchris8242
@challengerchris8242 Год назад
Great vid bro love your work
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Год назад
Thanks so much!
@challengerchris8242
@challengerchris8242 Год назад
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Ofcorse bro I’ve been watching you grow for 2 years you’re an inspiration keep it up
@travsgamingclub8957
@travsgamingclub8957 Год назад
Dude I love your videos man there so awesome
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Год назад
That makes me happy! Thanks for giving me some joy with this comment.
@travsgamingclub8957
@travsgamingclub8957 Год назад
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon anytime my man your videos have been so enjoyable keep up the work
@ktvx.94
@ktvx.94 Год назад
I think that for Whitney lowering her accuracy all the way might not be the most efficient way, since you want her to string a couple Rollouts so that she doesn't use Milk Drink. Also, I think that if you did 100 runs with each, Espeon would get the fastest single time but Umbreon would have a better average.
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Год назад
Agreed
@JimXUltima
@JimXUltima Год назад
I adore your editing
@Deez-Master
@Deez-Master Год назад
Wow what an epic showdown, that was some quality pokemon XD
@reapercarl5047
@reapercarl5047 Год назад
I rearly like these runs it helps with my own solo runs, i was playin silver the other day an i kept gettin lost havin your optimized path to learn gives me a great base line
@Maliki.1
@Maliki.1 Год назад
Been waiting for this one!
@frostbite2890
@frostbite2890 Год назад
What a close result! I do wonder on Umbreon's time, though: you said you don't think you can get it much faster, but are you sure it's not possible to skip some more training throughout the playthrough and use rare candies earlier? After all, it seems like Red is very consistent and going to him at a lower level wouldn't cause issues.
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Год назад
I think that might be worth exploring. My biggest fear is damage ranges against Bruno. That’s a key pivot point for Umbreon.
@TheFrowboy
@TheFrowboy Год назад
Amazing run 😊💜
@MattDRT0358
@MattDRT0358 Год назад
You are SOOOOO close to 50k right now :)
@RFGfotografie
@RFGfotografie Год назад
I love these video's!
@Anditeshordo
@Anditeshordo Год назад
Awesome can't wait to see other eeveelutions and eevee make a run in Crystal
@jakeofjohto8285
@jakeofjohto8285 Год назад
Dusk is the name ive always given my Umbreon! Umbreons been my fav pokemon since i accidentally evolved my eevee into it as a kid and it was also the first pokemon i ever bred with perfect ivs in HGSS. I still have that HGSS Dusk and bring him on all my journeys and save for 2 has every ribbon he can legally get. Thanks for your content as usual, makes long days at work or boring chore days a little more tolerable. Im happy to continue seeing your channel grow, alright imma keep watching the video now
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Год назад
Glad you’re enjoying the vids!
@boldoxenneru1314
@boldoxenneru1314 Год назад
That was close. Nice video man!
@jeremyc4786
@jeremyc4786 Год назад
Updated playlists! Thank you!
@shimauta1941
@shimauta1941 Год назад
That optimized Umbreon run is really awesome.
@johnmonaghan7204
@johnmonaghan7204 Год назад
Another fantastic video! Happy Holidays to you and your fiance :)
@myth1757
@myth1757 Год назад
Woooooooooop more thoughts from my favorite Scott
@tsunlastspock2206
@tsunlastspock2206 Год назад
Thanks for giving Umbreon the run it deserves! I'm in shock that it was so close in the end, but Curse + Rest + Return is just *such* a strong set that feels like the devs intended it for Umbreon. In the end, glass cannons will be riskier but those risks will often pay off. The exp router being set up for GSC now should definitely help with future runs, too!
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Год назад
Exp router is a game changer! (I used it for Skarmory too, it really really helped with that run.)
@EMoth76
@EMoth76 8 месяцев назад
> the devs intended it for Umbreon The only real difference between Umbreon and Espeon is that Umbreon's physical defence is higher, they both have the same attack. Just saying
@LilNika117
@LilNika117 3 месяца назад
I just don't understand why you used Return instead of Payback, you'd have STAB on a Pokémon counter that literally was made for Umbreon, there's no other Dark type Tank.
@tsunlastspock2206
@tsunlastspock2206 3 месяца назад
@@LilNika117 Payback doesn't exist in Gen 2 Crystal, the move was introduced in Gen 4. Dark STAB for Umbreon in Crystal would be Pursuit (60 BP after STAB), Faint Attack (90 BP after STAB) or Bite *if* he allowed it from its Eevee stage (90 BP after STAB). None of those get close enough to Return's 102 BP from maxed out friendship. Additionally, in Gen 2 Dark type deals Special damage, which means it doesn't get boosted by Curse, which boosts Att and Def while lowering Speed, and Umbreon doesn't have any boosting moves for its SpAtt stat.
@LilNika117
@LilNika117 3 месяца назад
@@tsunlastspock2206 Wow I really didn't remember it like that. I remember using Payback cause it was slow and bulky, and Moonlight to recover health but if that was HG/SS my bad. That combo carried me tho, that I do remember 😅
@tjepic5256
@tjepic5256 Год назад
It was really cool when you fought the gym leaders you had your pokemon vs theirs on the screen hopping around
@havyn88
@havyn88 Год назад
Can't wait for the Leafeon and Glaceon video
@Shifty319
@Shifty319 Год назад
RE: Legendary dogs "sometime in 2023". I'm calling it now, that video is gonna be either NYE or New Year's Day as a special treat
@brucekelso2024
@brucekelso2024 Год назад
This is my favorite challenge of yours so far. Umbreon is one of my 6 favorite Pokemon, you gave amazing respect to these two, and Pryce really is the worst.
@MimeJrD
@MimeJrD Год назад
38:53 Can only find this on bulbapedia, but apparently morning sun, synthesis, and moonlight can heal twice as much depending on the time of day in gen 2. Kind of self explanatory, but for morning sun it’s in the morning. Synthesis though is during the day
@jmobraz
@jmobraz Год назад
The psychic dog fox cat thing... LMAO! Hahahaha! What a video! ❤️
@noahlevine2838
@noahlevine2838 Год назад
I just thought it would be cool to see you do a final battle at the end of your VS Videos where the two Pokémon battle each other. I'm not sure how that would be to program into the game, but it would be a fun way to think about the battle.
@kug0t
@kug0t Год назад
It seems like Espeon should have just used curse, return and rest against red. It would be pretty tanky with curse and has attack equal to Umbreon and its special defense is pretty solid.
@shimauta1941
@shimauta1941 Год назад
An extra thank you comment for spoiling us with daily content. Thank you Scott.
@Grimlax22493
@Grimlax22493 Год назад
The reason the female picnicker is in the corner facing the wall because she's on the phone and back in the 00s when you were on your cell you tried to be in a somewhat quiet area to not disturb others and hear the person better. Cell phones in the early 00s were garbage lol
@ChaosWindScar99
@ChaosWindScar99 Год назад
I'm so glad this came out so quick I'm happy to see it. Love your content, especially the Vs. Videos. Also loved the nicknames, they fit so well. Spoiler In your first Umbreon playthrough when you were struggling with the rocket executive, Why didn't you use faint attack after the accuracy drops? I don't think it would have done that much less damage and it cant miss. Ultimately it didn't matter I was just curious also super happy the second race was so close.
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Год назад
I forgot moves that have priority or bypass accuracy checks. I think I get hyper focused on the frustration of getting my accuracy lowered and then fail to see the solution sitting on my moveset. I’m working on it!
@ChaosWindScar99
@ChaosWindScar99 Год назад
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Happens to the best of us, I think I also get tunnel vision in tougher fights. Also thanks for replying :)
@vreeze33
@vreeze33 Год назад
I've been looking forward to this. One of them was always on my team during gen 2 playthroughs as a kid. Umbreon is now my favourite eeveelution, but as a kid espeon was easier to use and I was undecided. I'm hoping their times will be competitive.
@fortello7219
@fortello7219 Год назад
I saw the community poll and did a little solo run with Espeon myself. Except that I changed it's level up moves to replace swift with bite at level 30. And I'll tell you what, having access to a 60BP dark move on Espeon added a LOT of consistency. (Eevee normally learns bite at 30 in gen 2) I had plenty of PP and speed to skip several PCs and had a strong counter to all the psychic types that could wall my full special set. I took HP Electric (70BP) and used that against all the flying and water types. Psychic tended to be effective enough against Dragonite that it could pull through. Steelix was the hardest part of the whole run. Even at level 38 with mud-slap, steelix's iron tail hit 3 times in a row consistently and gave me 5 reset to that alone. I didn't directly time it but I think the whole run took about 6.5 hours of in game time. But I was mostly checking what difference bite made, and it was a LOT.
@reedjohnson5916
@reedjohnson5916 Год назад
Thank you Scott, thank you editor Shawn
@oscarisaksson4809
@oscarisaksson4809 Год назад
Thank you for using one of my all time fav psychics❤️
@ChrisZi.
@ChrisZi. Год назад
Good Job Scott
@bateltheassistant
@bateltheassistant Год назад
I think that this is my favourite video after the octillery one. I remember using both of them a lot in johto playthroughs😊. And also as a kid I always had a problem getting an Espeon. So after 100 tries I finally got that, and espeon was making the game way easier then expected. That's why I have betted on espeon. I used to evolve them both in level 30 because of bite, bite helps with finches and its a special move in this gen so it could helped both of them. And besides I think you could try the most annoying strat in gen 2 the toxic protect cruse combo. I think that it could benefit umbreon though, but you could try it out with espeon too. 😉 Anyways, these 2 are my favourite eeveelutions so thanks for covering both. ☺️
@theSato
@theSato Год назад
Eevee boy summoning ritual complete, I'm here. Honestly these were about the results I expected. Espeon being fast and hitting hard meant it was almost destined to win, but Umbreon is also a chad pokemon. My "Luna" carries a lot of fights in my playthroughs!
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Год назад
I was thinking about you the other day, contemplating doing an Eevee run at some point again.
@theSato
@theSato Год назад
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Haha, I'm touched, friend. I'm looking forward to Gen 2 (or 4+) runs with Eevee. Gen 3 too, but its the one gen I never played. I have some really funky ideas for Eevee-related runs as well, but would require some game hacking.
@rayorcc
@rayorcc Год назад
This was much closer than I thought it would be! Snorlax is really rough for some Pokemon.
@lmr4403
@lmr4403 Год назад
The times could be very different if elite 4 wipe means returning to the pokecenter, since Espeon's wipes on Karen would mean that you have to defeat the other e4's again.
@matversion2
@matversion2 Год назад
I really hope you get 50k subs for Christmas Scott!
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Год назад
Did it!
@MrGoodCompany
@MrGoodCompany Год назад
This video really surprised me. I didn't expect Umbreon to do this well. It's in my top 3 Eeveelutions, design-wise. So I am pleased lol.
@wakingup4206
@wakingup4206 Год назад
I feel like you could have made red more consistent and faster for Espeon by using the curse rest return leftovers combo and setting up on the Pikachu or red's Espeon. But great video as always!
@DavideBattisti
@DavideBattisti Год назад
I just want to give you my compliments for this video: I think it’s one of best of this series. It seems you reached the peak performances in terms of quality and pace. I would have appreciated also an extended version with a few more battles along the way, but I understand that not anyone is so involved, and could get bored. Only one last suggestion: please go a little slower in the narration: as a foreigner it is hard for me to keep the attention high for this long listening to the english language. I think sometimes you can take your time and speak slowly while you skip from one battle to another one :) Keep going, and compliments again for this video. P.s. UMBREON RULES :D
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Год назад
Thanks so much!
@CHARLATAN000
@CHARLATAN000 Год назад
Hey Scott! Longtime viewer here. You’re basically responsible for reviving my love of Pokémon! I have always played the new games as they came out but your videos reminded me just how much I loved the older ones too. Thank you for making these videos! I’ve even started to do some solo runs myself! Can I ask how you set your overlays up? Do you edit it it all in post? What software do you use? I understand if you don’t want to share, but if you do I think a tutorial video would be great content! Either way dude, keep it up and thank you :)
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Год назад
I use Gamehook and a program I made with HTML and Javascript to visualize this while I play. I intend to release it publicly sometime this year when it’s clean enough for others to use. Btw thanks for sharing. I’m so happy that I could revive your love of Pokémon!
@drewvfox
@drewvfox Год назад
Bug being super effective against Dark is one of many Kamen rider references in Pokemon.
@desiccant
@desiccant Год назад
Now I want to see how the other Eeveelutions do in Crystal.
@wideright7567
@wideright7567 Год назад
I for one am proud of my tanky bulky lil fox fren umbreon. I figured karen would hold up espeon more, but red was where umbreon got to shine in true comparison. the routing you’ve been doing shines in these comparisons and makes them really hold up as quality.
@MichaelJosephSpetsios
@MichaelJosephSpetsios Год назад
I've been feeling this for a while, but seriously-Scott's videos are so much better than JRose. His consistency and commitment is far superior, and the optimized runs are so much more interesting. I love watching this channel grow!
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Год назад
I appreciate the praise, but I’m hesitant about the comparison. His stuff is great after all.
@MichaelJosephSpetsios
@MichaelJosephSpetsios Год назад
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon he definitely gets OG status, but to me, I see you putting in way more effort. Thanks for the great content!
@shyguymd
@shyguymd Год назад
I may have been screaming for you to teach Shadow Ball to that Umbreon for the Jasmine + Radio Tower part.
@SkyEevee
@SkyEevee Год назад
My favorite Eeveelution and favorite Pokémon ever is Espeon. I love using Espeon’s high special attack and speed. This video was really entertaining.
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Год назад
Glad the video kept you entertained!
@mounir1597
@mounir1597 Год назад
Ursaring Donphan next ? :p With both them being mountain pkmns and could have potentially been early routes
@EmeralBookwise
@EmeralBookwise Год назад
Wow... gotta say. I didn't think this would even be a race. I thought Espeon would be the hands down winner, but after that optimization it was surprisingly close. As Umbreon is also a personal favorite of mine, this makes quite happy.
@tesladrew2608
@tesladrew2608 Год назад
For the rocket executive with the 5 koffings you can use faint attack when your accuracy drops, it doesn't miss (in later gens at least)
@brentrobinson3275
@brentrobinson3275 Год назад
It doesnt miss in gen 2 also
@ok_iot
@ok_iot Год назад
i would like to suggest a series. or group vid. the 5 eeveelutions in fire red.
@hloupaopica
@hloupaopica Год назад
Hi Scott, have you ever thought about using egg moves in gen 2 and 3? You already modify your hidden power so I don't think it would be that weird to use egg moves. Although this would help certain pokemon more than some other which would maybe be unfair.
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Год назад
Egg moves and events moves for special videos / streams.
@frankietafuro530
@frankietafuro530 Год назад
this was closer than I thought it would be
@MrT3L
@MrT3L Год назад
These are some of my favorite Pokémon! For Gen 2+ playthroughs, it would be cool if you could include the AI's PP for each move in addition to their stats and moveset.
@matthewk320
@matthewk320 Год назад
they really felt like day and night ... wait a minute
@mesplin3
@mesplin3 Год назад
Just curious if hidden power fire would be useful for psychic and dark type pokemon.
@juanchirino4900
@juanchirino4900 Год назад
A battle of true titans here.
@mickgorro
@mickgorro Год назад
27:25-27:28: "Umbreon is about to take a massive lead", but... but.... but that's Espeon!
@TJF588
@TJF588 Год назад
The unparalleled power of editing when explaining your trainer battles routing. Had to do a Double Take to realize what was goin' on. Question/Request: Since the player character's overworld sprite is so similar to the lone option in Gen 1, and one of Crystal's gimmicks is the option of a new player character design, are there any runs or conditions for which you'd choose Kris?
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Год назад
I used Kris in my nuzlocke! Maybe I should play as her more often. I’ll think about it :)
@pokepha8379
@pokepha8379 Год назад
Hey Scott, remember what you said about Umbreon's gender in this video? Don't forget about it when you get a pure special attacker one day! Low attack IVs also help with confusion, but not much, because the missed turn stings much more than hitting yourself.
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Год назад
That’s a good point for Pokémon that never need to use physical moves
@ashclaw2306
@ashclaw2306 Год назад
A staller vs a psychic cannon... This is going to be fun!
@Bl3Moze
@Bl3Moze Год назад
After watching this video, it became clear to me which Pokémon is better. It was like Night and Day.
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Год назад
I see what you did there
@Bl3Moze
@Bl3Moze Год назад
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Ha! See! Cause it’s light out.
@TooMuchDad
@TooMuchDad Год назад
I wonder if hidden power fighting could have been any good? Would help at Jasmine and Red? Losing ice against Lance would be rough, but could be interesting!
@bortzanator3018
@bortzanator3018 Год назад
7:21 She's in the corner because she's on the phone! (dont you stand in the corner when you are on the phone?) lol Your videos are incredible, I love how far you have come. I am anxious to see you do Gen4 stuff, but I know that's a ways off. So I might start doing it myself.
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Год назад
I can’t wait to do gen4. But there are a lot of technical problems to overcome for that to become a reality.
@Ectar2003
@Ectar2003 Год назад
How does time of day play out in these runs? You mentioned that Morning Sun only heals a quarter, but it heals for twice that amount during the morning (4am-10am in Gen 2)
@Ectar2003
@Ectar2003 Год назад
ooooooh, Umbreon fights the Elite 4 at night! Moonlight healed the Vileplume for half.
@altitudemanagement
@altitudemanagement Год назад
Overlay thoughts- for your pokemon's stats, I read them top to bottom, then left to right. Soi it's HP, then Atk, Def, Spd, SpA, SpD. For your opponent's pokemon, since they are all stacked in a row, it would make sense to me to put them in the same order. You do put the first three int he same order, but then instead of the 4th stat being speed, you put SpA and SpD next and Speed last. I think it would be a lot easier to read if speed was 4th instead of last because it would match your own pokemon's order perfectly then. Alternatively, you could match the order left to right first, then top to bottom. In that case, it would be HP, Speed, Atk, SpA, Def, SpD. I don't know if you've ever thought about the two layouts in comparison to one another, but since you don't label them on your opponent's pokemon, I have to look back and for to know which color means what, which leads to that slight usabilty issue.
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Год назад
Speed is last to be visually easier to locate on the right hand side. Mid-list is too hard to parse quickly.
@altitudemanagement
@altitudemanagement Год назад
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon that's a fair point. Given that you'd always want speed to be on the end, what about changing your Pokémon's Stat display order? Assuming you'd want to keep the pairs the same, you could move HP and Speed to the bottom. Then the opponent's pokemon could match if they were in either order 1. Atk, SpA, Def, SpD, HP, Speed 2. Atk, Def, HP, SpA, SpD, Soeed
@jaketheTerran
@jaketheTerran Год назад
I’ll take consistency over luck any day! Good job Umbreon ❤️
@thedahliallama
@thedahliallama Год назад
I’m curious if you considered hp fire for espeon as an option to take on steel types while still using its spatk. I say this not knowing how it would affect its dvs or consistency with lance
@Dpmt
@Dpmt Год назад
I was thinking that or HP Water would be good options.
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Год назад
Ice tends to do better. Remember that Ice gets a 12.5% damage boost from Pryce's badge, it uses the spc attack stat, and it covers a lot of enemy Pokemon, including Lance's entire team.
@Dpmt
@Dpmt Год назад
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Is Lance a trainer that is causing particular problems? It seems like Neutral Psychic attacks would still be pretty good. It seems like the issues are against Jasmine's team, Karen's team and Red's team. I don't think their is anything to be done about that last one since Snorlax is the biggest problem and you are moving on from Hidden Power before that. HP Fire and HP Water are both also special types and while they don't get badge boosted until too late in Kanto I think they complement Psychic much better then HP Ice. (That is to say changing resisted hits into neutral hits is a bigger boost then 12.5%) For Jasmine HP Ice is a clearly worse option it is only neutral on the Steelix and is resisted by the Magnemite's. HP Fire would be super effective against both and HP Water would be neutral against the Magnemite's and super effective against the Steelix. For Karen, HP Water is neutral against all of her dark types, except for the super effective hit on Houndoom. HP Fire is strictly worse being the resisted by Houndoom like HP Ice while missing the super effective hit on Murkrow. So overall it seems like HP Water is the best option. At the cost of 1 attack DV. I'm glad you are still reading comments. I wouldn't bother posting this much if I didn't think you were detail oriented and always looking to improve.
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