Uncovering 10 lies we were told about the TVA 

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I feel like with all the high concept ideas in Loki, it deserves more than one series of only six episodes every few years but at the same time if there was more I’d fear a decrease in quality

Lie #4 hits different when you think about how we were presented with all the different iterations of Scott Lang in Quantumania. Ideally more versions of yourself would be a good thing but if your mind can’t handle that concept you’d want to eliminate as many versions of yourself as possible to get to your goal. This is how he “won” over Kang. Mental stability. Accepting who he is. Knowing what he’s fighting for. We’ve yet to get any real motivation for Kang except control, but does he have self control? Interesting.

My theory on the “there is no past in the TVA”: Time moves normally in the TVA, but He Who Remains used “time tech” on each “employee” to kinda freeze them all at their current ages (think Time Twister or time moving through Scott Lang) and periodically reset everyone’s minds (must have a telepath on staff, or somehow given himself telepathy?).

So happy that you acknowledged the nexus event between Loki and Sylvie. Since I watched it, I’ve been wondering what nexus event where they referencing, because literally nothing happened in that scene. I haven’t heard any channels talk about it in the way you did, great analysis and I think you’re completely right.

I'm really hyped about Loki Season 2, the first episode was really promising and I hope it continues to get better!

I won't watch breakdown/theory videos because I don't want to get spoiled, but I love these different type of videos about timelines and everything. And this one is really unique and interesting.

I think the "there's no past in the TVA" to "they don't experience the flow of time that ages them or their surroundings" otherwise everything would be happening all at once , multiple versions of Mobius doing multiple things at the same time ...much like how the dampen magic they dampened the ravages of time.

One thing I want to say about the time twister, it doesn’t really rewind you, it re/displaces you back to where you were. The characters experience it in present time, as we hear B-15 begging Loki to stop it, and no one forgets what happened right before they were put back. Just a thought I had.

THANK YOU! I knew you would be the one to discuss these pieces of detail, like the Lamentis-1 nexus event being the duo's death because everything was planned by HWR, as he said. Also the fact that the whole Miss Minutes introductory video being complete and utter BS 😂 It was so satisfying hearing someone finally address these lies.

I never believed there could be such thing as 1 timeline.. impossible after the info from Dr. Strange multiverse of madness

5:42 I think wiping memories works exactly like deleting data from any ssd or etc. Bits of information are not nullified, they are just marked as available for saving new information. But until new information is saved we still have all this data and still everyone rightly call this process as "deleting" (wiping). So the same with minds: their memory was wiped, but someone who can look inside minds can still gather their lost memories as Sylvie did

What I think mobius meant by time runs differently in the tva, is that no branches can be created in the tva, that's why loki can effect the past and see his effect in the present & mobius writing "skin" and loki seeing his writing in the future. If loki had to go to a timeline and change things that would create a branch timeline, which shows that the tva is unique when it comes to time.

Yet another video that I didn't realize I needed! I remember being really confused the very first time I watched the season 1 finale and heard HWR explain a bunch of stuff that contradicted everything I thought was true about the TVA and sacred timeline and all that other Miss Minutes propaganda. Everything makes so much more sense when broken down into the what all the lies were and what's actually true. Thanks for this great video!

Outstanding!!! Loved this video !!! Looking forward to tuning in after episode 2

I enjoy this video so much! My mind is going to explode with all this theories and all this questions, I can't wait for tomorrow episode and of course your breakdown! Thank you 😊

You are incredible dude! Keep it up! This is the type of content we need! You know your stuff! Love all the timeline shenanigans!

I’d be okay with an episode that’s dedicated to just sitting with Loki and Mobius and OB just discussing what’s happening

Nice video I can't wait for episode 2 to come out and learn more about the TVA.

I think you may be right about five Kang variants previously running the TVA, but I don't think that's confirmed by the premiere. This could easily just be an artistic choice. Note that everywhere a Kang statue appears, there's only one of them. This relief is the only place that five are depicted, and even when he uncovers the relief, Loki refers to it as one person, so these side views may simply be alternate views of the same person like the Vitruvian Man drawings. After all, He Who Remains presumably created the TVA to end the multiversal war, and we know Ravonna was on his team for that, but her face doesn't appear on the relief. So this could easily just be an artistic representation of one guy rather than five guys. I don't think the branches are happening because HWR is dead exactly. They're happening because the TVA has rebelled and are refusing to prune the branches that they normally would. If HWR was still alive he could prune them himself, take control of the TVA, wipe their minds to get them to continue pruning, or whatever. So his death allows the timeline to branch massively but it isn't the direct cause of the branching. Completely agreed that the "Nexus event" on Lamentis was a fabrication of HWR's in order to put Loki and Sylvie where they need to be. Even if you create a Nexus event or go against what HWR wants, you still have free will. It's just that the results of you exercising your free will might cause your universe to be erased. Of course that opens up the philosophical debates about whether it still counts as free will since it is literally free will but in effect your free will doesn't matter... So I guess it ultimately depends on what you're arguing. Are you arguing literally or pragmatically? Even in a true one timeline scenario, if someone knows what choice you're going to make and therefore that is what your choice is going to be, you still made the choice. It's just that if someone were to step outside of time they would know your choice before you do. It doesn't make it not a choice though.

This video is crazy investigative it's insane how much you internalize every little detail and manage to organize it out with bullet points for each idea you have, I'm wondering how the nixing of majors is going to throw a major boot into the theme they had going with the kang plot and how they'll revise it and the direction they'll take, seems like the entire ten year plan has to be washed and redirected.. such a convoluted position they've created for themselves

Love this series, love this video, love your channel! Keep building our story ! 🔥

Good video! Before your videos I didn't understand anything that was happenin in Loki, but your videos have made it pretty clear.

Our Savior (LOKI) is here! There's something special about this TV show and you can see the passion across the board; both behind and in front of the camera. Episode 1 in and I'm so invested in the multiverse concepts while feeing the threat that is Kang. I hope we ride that sense urgency going forward past this TV show. great video my man. 😘

Thank you for this breakdown! I don't know why it didn't click for me until now that the Sacred Timeline was "isolated" from all others, rather than the only timeline left out of all multiverses. It makes Immortus' line at the end of Quantumania make more sense now: "they're beginning to touch the multiverse" ... because they've finally broken free of HWR.

Glad I found your channel 💯 Top tier content!!

“Completely exposed”… which Is why you were right that those 3 Kangs in quantumania were talking about HWR. Bro I love this channel!! Ahaha

Man I was waiting for you to drop sone knowledge, thank you bro I hope this will help me understand Loki true angle outside of just the tva this season

That Kang wall scene was really cool

Man, the higher-ups at the TVA lie as much if not more than the titled god of mischief!😅

Very nice breakdown! Here after watching ep 2 and for sure we're learning more and more of the TVA (and things changing like the Butterfly Effect) as each new episode releases. Didn't think about He Who Remains isolating the timeline as him hiding, but when you put it like that, yeah, he really is just hiding from the other Kangs. It makes his achievements sound a lot less impressive, since before it seemed like he won the Multiversal War, but in reality, he was just delaying it until he died and someone else would have his problem on their plate. Also it's crazy to me that the closed captions are different than the transcript. It happened again in ep 2 when Loki and Sylvie had their talk outside, where it cut off a bit of dialogue. Don't know what's going on there, but been enjoying the season and can't wait for more

This a amazing breakdown. This is a top 3 piece on Loki i have seen yet.

Great video as always

So excited for this video!

Great stuff!

Something I just realized: Loki is the God of Lies, so it makes sense that he'd see through (or at least notice) all the lies around him. Also if you consider He Who Remains himself to be the "Time Keeper" then 1 and 2 aren't technically lies, because he was in charge and he did create the workforce by capturing and brainwashing variants. We never did find out how Dox knew about the End of Time, though.

Yet another masterpiece🎉

I'm really enjoying your breakdowns

It's crazy just how in control He Who Remains was the entire time. Really the only thing he couldn't control was Sylvie's choice to kill him, and now we have the Kang Council to deal with. Loki never even fought HWR and still he's probably one of the most intimidating antagonists in the MCU with his presence alone.

My theory is this - a Nexus event is anything that would cause the formation of the fantastic four. In the comics, Kang is a descendant of Reed Richards. If the fantastic four are never formed, reed never meets Sue, and a new kang is never born from their bloodline. I think this is why the fantastic four are nowhere to be found in the sacred timeline. I think this might play into the fantastic four movie whenever it releases

Im a fairly new sub. Just discovered your channel within the last month or so. I enjoy how much different your videos are from the norm. Once a RU-vidr comes out with a video, you usually find the same topic on countless other MCU RU-vidrs. You come up with your own original extremely interesting topics. Something I want to point out to you to see what you think. At 26:46 of your video there's a scene between Renslayer and Sylvie with two pictures on the wall behind them. The one on the right caught my eyes, could that be Loki standing in front of the other two TVA workers?

I love the videos!

Great video!

Very interesting breakdown. 👍

Remember He who remains never ended the multiversal war, he only isolated the 616 universe timeline. OB then said the temporal loom weaves raw time into strings of timelines woven together to form the sacred timeline. I believe Kang used the temporal loom to shape the 616 universe into the sacred timeline with the same tech used in creating the probability storm in antman quantumania.

I do wonder, if the Sacred Timeline consists of multiple branches that are so different, that they did produce wildly different Lokis... Why everytime the characters go to the timeline, regardless whether it's the main sacred timeline or one of the branches, everything looks exactly like in "our" timeline?

I wasn’t a massive fan of season 1 but your videos and season 2 is making me appreciate it more 😁

The way I see it, a timeline is a sequence of event that everyone inside the sacred timeline must follow,there are many universes inside the sacred timeline but the 1 thing they have in common is that they all lead to him becoming he who remains and if they diverge they creat a nexus event meaning they might create a new timeline that does not end with he who remains winning

It makes total sense that the sacred timeline is actually more than one timeline, if you think about it this way: There are infinite timelines where you're waking up in your bed at 8:03 and another at 8:06 and there's no real difference to the bigger picture. There are infinite timelines with teeny-tiny changes that are still fine up to a certain threshold. But this makes less sense, if you turn that statement around. Because if there are infinite timelines with tiny changes, then there are infinite timelines where Loki escaped from New York with the tesseract. So why is there only one Loki that got captured by the TVA that we're observing in the series? My head is starting to hurt trying to makes sense of all that time travel stuff, but it's always so interesting

If the script He Who Remains had for Loki and Sylvie prescribed that they would be able to go to the Void and reach his citadel, then the very fact that they were about to die on Lamentis would be what caused the nexus event. Because them dying would deviate from the flow of the Sacred Timeline. It didn't matter whether the two Loki variants fell in love. What mattered was that they were going to be killed in a few seconds, which wasn't supposed to happen.

Love your explanation for the Lamentis Nexus Event. Mobius' theory always bothered me.

Fantastic breakdown! I truly enjoy your theories. I got one if you're interested. In analyzing all the lies told (or repeated) by the TVA,I started to wonder how much of what He Who Remains says can be taken as fact. It felt like "okay here we are. The man behind the curtain. Now we're getting truth." What if not??? Here's what I mean: if we accept as truth that he paved the road (all the roads that lead to him) and that from that point, he does not know what will happen: will they take over the TVA or burn it down? And he makes clear what the consequences of that will be "the infinite amount of me". What if that was a lie? What if he knew what Sylvie would do (which is why he made sure she was here)? If time is a circle and loops back around, he knew her actions from the last iteration...and counted on them. Why? Because he knew HE was on one or more other strands and would resurface...perhaps as the Quantumania Kang or Victor Timely (or both) but he would have achieved his goal first. That goal being that the Council of Kangs would detect his death!!! Now they're not looking for him. And now he can do what needs doing to win this new multiversal war. Its wobbly wobbly timey wimey for sure but I gotta admit the more I think about it, the more it's growing on me. He has created 2 exits from the stage, here and in the Quantum Realm to throw off everyone. Perhaps he thinks the Council will eventually fall to fighting among themselves in the Battle World weakening each other and then he plans to resurface and conquer all. In the comics, this role was Doctor Doom and when he created Battle World out of remants of all the destroyed universes, he appointed Barons to rule them. They could do whatever they wanted but no one could cross from one realm to another without his permission and no one could question his dogma. Maybe in Secret Wars the movie, the other Kangs will be functioning as the Barons and this Kang has usurped them. Food for thought!

Loki is the next Tony Stark of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, the reason I say this, is because both of them during the start of the Infinity Saga & Multiverse Saga were captured while in the desert, then saw the consequences of their past actions, then they are both have trauma about a future threat coming, so that means during Avengers Secret Wars, Loki will sacrifice himself to defeat Kang the Conqueror, just like Tony Stark said, "And I am Iron Man", and Thanos said, "I am inevitable."

Looking forward to seeing how everything resolved

I like how in season 1 the two lokis are legit the glue between the story A and B and the amalgamation of both . The agents were watching our Loki and the Hunters were tracking Sylvie . Loki and Sylvie come together and are brought to the tva . After discovering secrets of the TVA their curiosity and determination led them to the end of time where they discover everything that happened was scripted . Now in season 2 the story is still dependent on Loki and Sylvia’s independent journeys and will surely repeat season 1 regarding the two coming together by the end .

I think it's weird that the closed captioning doesn't catch all of the words they said. I've noticed that a lot and not just in episode 1 but in the last season too. Interesting video.

The writing in this show is in a ouroboros like structure . A lot of poetry woven throughout

What’s really funny about free will, not just in Loki, but in the MCU as a whole is ironic. Because they’re all fighting for free will in the TVA, then you have She-Hulk who Canonized K.E.V.I.N. into the equation, making him the spinner of the storyline, or even “timeline”, of events. So in the MCU’s Reality, the only ones that have TRUE free will are characters that can break the fourth wall. So far just She-Hulk and Deadpool in a sense. Connecting this argument to Deadpool 3 coming out featuring…? The TVA.

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I don’t think He Who Remains was specifically targeting any other Lokies aside from our Loki and Sylvie. I suspect he was pruning so many so that there would be an abundance of them at the end of time, that he was extra strict. However, it always struck me as odd how many Lokies there were, but how no Wandas, Stranges, or any other superheroes (who we know had specific roles on the timeline) were there; surely they’d be able to evade Alioth just as easily. I also like that the Lokies just had their lives taken from them for failing to become their role, not that they were individually chosen, I think it’s more impactful that way. To get really nerdy, I think Kang decides that he should prune Lokies for the sacred timeline and for other uses outside of it, sets up their nexus event trigger to be really sensitive about what a Loki should be (a lonely failure), and to also work even if it won’t change the timeline that significantly, or at all. Then I think he imagines two rogue Lokies will fall in love and eventually make their way to the end of time, aided by other pruned Lokis that manage to stop being lonely, self-absorbed failures. Something like that anyway. I don’t know if it 100% works, but I like the idea.

17:09 Whoa whoa, that's been there the whole time? " _Expose_ " the Timeline? I don't remember that being said at all.

I wonder where the TVA is in the multiverse. Maybe it’s in Universe-0, and controls 616, so it doesn’t have an affect on the other universes

They’re in a time loop. What does a loom do? Makes twine. How is twine stored? In a ball. That’s how they hide from the others too because they’re in their own ball of time.

About lie #8, I think there was always a past, absolutely. If there is literally NO time flowing, nothing can ever function. There would be no cause and effect, no relationship between events. The key to understand this paradox, I think, is to notice that what Mobius really said is not "there is no past AT the TVA", but rather "there is no past TVA". He's not saying that within the TVA time does not flow. He's saying that there is no other version of the TVA other than the current one and never has been. Sure, time keeps flowing, but the TVA itself does not change. Even after who knows how many centuries ago, it still has the same people, working in the same building, doing the same job, with the same rules, etc. But then Loki starts claiming that he's been to a TVA in which there's a giant statue of Kang instead of the Time Keepers, where people don't recognize him (remember: in Season 1 Mobius already knew who Loki was even before he was pruned!), where the War Room looks totally different, etc, and he claims that all of that is actually in their own past. That's why, I believe, Mobius was so surprised, because he was told that there ever was no other version of the TVA, other than the one that he knew.

They really started the series with a BANG. So much new questions🥰😍

I just double-checked S1E3 Lamentis for the part where Sylvie tells Loki that hunter C-20’s margarita memory was “from hundred of years prior”. I was hoping there was a more specific number mentioned somewhere, to better relatively place the past TVA scenes in this episode, or even the formation of the TVA, assuming HWR “recruited” all the workers pretty much in one go (in TVA timeline, obviously they come from a range of times from sacred timeline, although all SEEM to be from roughly late 20th century, perhaps because they’d be the ones most comfortable with operating Kang/OB’s TVA tech). I guess we can glean from this that it was less than ~1000 years ago, but more than 400, assuming C-20 started around the same time as B-15 and Mobius.

Now that's a banging title

24:01 That's really neat detail and funny

7:24 Why is it that he who remains death caused a bunch of new branches to be created? I believed that the branches were created by mobius and B-15 ordering the TVA to stop pruning, as they alluded to in season 2 episode 1

Old man Steve would have been pruned if him going back to have a life with Peggy created a new Kang.

Wow vert intéressant point le view!!

What I'm still unclear on is the "We just passed the threshold..." event in Season 1, Episode 6. -- Even though HWR knows what it is (as far as calling it 'crossing the threshold') he still seems to react with uncertainty and surprise at it occuring as if it was completely unexpected. -- What I'm not clear on is what caused it? Whether it was caused by enchanting Alioth, or if something else caused it?

The most interesting thing I find here in regards to free will and the rules behind pruning, is when Mobius says, basically, that they've pruned more Lokis than anything else. Why Loki? It seems at first just to speak to the chaotic nature of the character. But what if it's not? What if the reason that Kang keeps pruning Lokis is because they just deviated from the road he paved? All those pruned Lokis weren't to pave the way for this one special Loki, with Classic Loki being pruned so he could give his wisdom and Kid Loki being pruned so he could help our Special Loki. They were rejects. There were countless Lokis who didn't fall into the steps Kang wanted because of their free will, and so they were pruned. Only these two Lokis, our Loki and our Sylvie, were ones who happened to walk the right path to lead themselves to Kang. When you have infinite timelines, infinite Lokis, you have infinite chances to get one who does everything just right to both make his way to you _and_ be willing to listen _and_ be willing to replace you. I would be willing to bet He Who Remains has given that same speech to dozens of Lokis dozens of times. That's why he knows how it's going to go. That's why when Sylvie stabs him it's, "See you soon." He's just going to see another Lokis in another timeline and do the speech over again. Until the infinite Loki dice finally rolls on the correct steps to what he wants. It's not him paving the road. It's this one Loki out of infinite Lokis happening to hit all the right steps to take him down the road. The ones that don't are pruned. If this is what you were trying to say and I'm just repeating you in different words, forgive me. I'm not even sure I'm explaining myself well. 😅

what he who remains did was he shaped and spilts the 616 universe, histories into different strings that formed the sacred timeline that's why when the avengers travelled back in time in endgame, there was no butterfly effect instead a new probability formed from that one string of woven sacred timeline where history played out differently. I think he who remains prunes any timeline that branches beyond the temporal loom.

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I really think they should get the people who wrote this show to write Kang Dynasty & Secret Wars. I feel as if they’re setting it up anyway and they have a cohesive vision for the multiverse/ time travel. Kang needs to make sense.

Wow amazing video there's quite a bit I want to bring up too. For lie 1, it totally isn't the timekeepers, but I'm not convinced that the Kang Council ran the TVA. Now this makes things really confusing but I think it was just he who remains who ran it because the TVA seems like either the means to end the universal war, in which case why work with the Kang Council, or the TVAs creation took place shortly after in which case he couldn't have worked with them. I think this was a case of them using a lot of different images of Johnathan Majors for He Who Remains on the wall, the same way if we saw a mural of a bunch of Benedict Cumberbatches face we'd assume its his variants too, but I think that was just an artistic choice, that doesn't mean its the Kang Council. Now they didn't make that very clear because every Kang looks like Johnathan Majors but I think its important to note that they all look completely identical, not a single change between them, whereas almost every member of the Kang Council looks slightly different. Just my 2 cents on the matter. Also for Lie 8, I think the inconsistencies there just boil down to how impossible it is to convey that idea on screen. For example if you take a single step in the TVA then you must've taken a previous step to get there, so for them to properly convey having no passage of time what nobody can move now? It's just impossible to show on screen without contradicting itself. I think we just have to look past the previous events and stuff like the lunch times as eh time works weird there. Because ultimately I do think that the TVA didn't used to have a past and now it does. As for the Time Twister, yeah thats a pretty big mess up there, I don't know how exactly that works but I think maybe it actually flows time through the person rather then going back in time to the TVA, like how time was flowed through Ant-Man to age him up and down, thats what I'm going to go with. Lie 9 is definitely a big moral question here thats definitely going to be explored all season but I think it's important to at least mention the possible truth to what Kang says. They're stopping more Kangs and more multiversal wars, is it worth killing trillions to save hundreds of trillions across the multiverse? not sure there's a right answer but worth mentioning. Lie 10 actually leads into my own theory/question that I'm starting to wonder is What actually creates a branch? We know that the TVA only detects branches that create other Kangs, and we know that taking away the infinity stones from the past in Endgame creates a branch, as well as making major decisions in life can create branches like in What If? This made it pretty clear to me that any decision you make creates a branching reality or even traveling back in time at all immediately makes a branch. Idk If that was ever said anywhere but that was my presumption. But the new video on the Butterfly Effect on Marvel Studios' RU-vid page seems to question that basically saying if we can fix it, then it doesn't count. But this makes me question with something like the grandfather paradox, if you go back in time and kill your grandfather but the TVA comes in and uses a defibrillator to revive him, does that not create a branch now? Loki Season 2 seems to be questioning this too with going back and seeing OB not making a branch at least seemingly. This could also fix the Captain America Endgame issue, he just undid the stones being gone so it doesn't count and him being there doesn't make a branch. Not sure that I'm the biggest fan because it kinda leaves things more up in the air but seems to be their direction. So I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on that. Final thing, and I promise I'm just messing with you, you make great content and I really love your videos this is in no means a real complaint but dude you did it again 30:35 end of season 6? You gotta be living in 2030 or something lol

"There has to be time, or you can't rewind" You could actually have a reverse process working forward in time (even in a reality where Presentism is true, meaning only one self-transformative moment exists physically). Basically, imagine playing a tape backwards (which happens forward in time). The assumption being, you have to be able to tap into something that controls or remembers how things evolved in time, so that you can reverse it. Also, arguably, in the series only bodies of people subjected to 'time twisters' were reversed while their minds worked forward (and thus registered that their bodies have been reversed).

you made me watch loki season 1 again

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I feel like the idea of pruning whole timelines for the sake of not having another version of Kang is unnecessary, if He Who Remains wanted to not have another Kang, Why not just eliminate that variant and leave the timeline without them so there would be only the death of the one Kang per timeline and not the countless people?

The Nexus events of Lokis and Sylvie too, could have been actual Nexus events (or some might have been while others were faked). HWR could use some of the already pruned people out of convenience.

Point 5: Loki's nexus event was not supposed to happen - on the main Sacred Timeline. It was supposed to happen in one of the branches.

You could honestly say that he who remains wants the kangs to return.

OB wears two different jumpsuits in the past and present :D On one he collar is brown and on the other it's green. And the shoulders are reverse color of that. Funny detail haha, he changed but not much in a couple hundred years or whatever.

I pretend I understand my Loki X TVA logic until something happens and then I’m done with TVA LOGIC

That's why I like the loki series so much😂The first season was more of like the development of Loki as a character the TVA was somewhat of an enigma to us but this season we dive deeper learning about the TVA❤

For number 5 if he who remains paved the way for Loki’s ‘nexus’ event to occur does that mean he could’ve somehow interfered with the time travel in endgame or endgame as whole to lead 2012 Loki to that point?

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I would say it is a single timeline once it goes through the loom. Like a rope it becomes one thing after it’s put together

Doesn’t this seem like a Wandavision? Folks have some type of memory loss. Also since we’re talking about the total mcu… isn’t that what the kree did to captain marvel at first ?? Temporarily wipe her memory or confuse It … hope I’m making sense or you get the gist

I BELIEVE THATS JUST WHO REMAINS 5 times

It makes sense but theres just major plotholes. It is what it is. Just because He Who Remain isolated the Sacred Timeline, doesnt mean the Multiversal War stopped instantly which means Kangs should be completely whiped out. Even if He Who Remains didnt end the war, the war should ended from majority of the remaining Kangs killing each other off. Its a huge mess

I think some of these things they could have explained better in season 1. Maybe that’s what they do in season 2. Otherwise a lot of this makes so much sense.

Loving Loki s2 so far

I think the answers we've been looking for has already been revealed in Loki and antman and the wasp quantumania

I have a question that maybe you could help. When Loki went to the past and butterfly effected OB do you think it was before or after OB crossed paths with Mobious (400 years ago)?

Ms. Minutes may have been created out of the loneliness for He Remains. Is the secret Ms. Minutes was created with the Renslayer in mind!

12:00 - The Nexus event was their death. had they had died it would have made a branch. I believe Sylive was MEANT to get to the end of time and kill HWR, she's done it before. Loki (our loki) isn't suppose to be there. Why would HWR's transcript be on two pieces of paper? He Had Loki's Dialog on one and Sylvie on another. He also had the equation for Noncommuntativity , The Equation for solving a problem in any order to get the answer. x*Y = Y*x

the sacret timeline is the one where he who remains was born in, so thats why he wants to protect that one above all others, its his own timeline that he needs to protect, otherwise he wouldnt exist and another kang would exist