Why haven't I seen this vid before? Probably because it was only recently I've had people saying "you should get an underquilt protector" and I decided to do some research. Very informative vid - as always - that cleared up some misconceptions I had about uq protectors. Fully agree about having the tarp pegged out wide to provide more cover from the rain and reduce splashback. It also has the advantage of providing more view.
This is exactly why Shug is awesome!! He gives good opinions about gear and he shows WHY. And in case you’re a dummy, he shows it on video! I’m a dummy (hello, dummy), so I like watching.
So glad you put in the link to the Jellyfish video. I used her instructions to make my own underquilt protector with those center cinches. It really works to keep the wind from stealing warmth from your underquilt on those windy nights.
I remember watching a few of your videos when I was starting out. It's been two years now....with many an experience, and I stumble back unto your channel. But this time, everything you say, not only makes sense, but I keep saying to myself.... "s**t I wished I'd watched that video before going out on that trip." Keep them coming!
I’ve made a similar protector using shock cord, a single person space blanket, a couple of biners, four cord locks, and some Leukotape to tape down a folder over section of space blanket, creating a channel for the shock cord. Not only does it add warmth by blocking the wind, but it holds one of those 2mm foam sleeping pads that Gossamer Gear sells. Maybe $50 in cost, 30 minutes of time, 7 oz weight (including pad and protector), and it takes me down to 50F. That’s a lightweight summertime UQ solution, for sure.
Ha ha, what perfect timing for you to post the merits of UQ protectors. I just got back from 4 days hammocking in the Northern Kettle Moraine State Forest. One particular night (with the temps in the mid-40s) it rained with 29mph winds and the rain and leaves swirled right through one end (and under) my low pitched tarp. I just reached over and snugged up my Q2Z2 underquilt protector like a cocoon and both me and my UQ were protected from the cold wind and rain. An UQ protector is so light and packs so small that I almost never hammock without it. Thanks for the great video Shug, keep 'em coming! Also miss seeing you and Hickory together.
For me, it's a modular part of my system that I might use along with my winter cover to create a better hammock sock along with the underquilt(s) and the topquilt(s). I can sub in the winter cover alone instead of the netting, use the underquilt protector alone with the underquilts. I can also use it alone in those 60-65 degree lows to avoid needing a heavier option that is usually too warm in the summer.
& also never stop man. Every time I see your diy smiley face ridge line organizer it has an unbelievably calming effect on anything I have gone through that day. Also how about that XPAC ULA Ohm 2.0? Bout time they sent you one HUH? Go BILLS!!! Woooo Buddy. All’s clear here too in........
This was great. Thank you. Been reading and thinking about one but I’ve never seen it in action. I might have to walk down the street and ask Donna to make me one!
Thanks for the video. Iv been using a hammock for years and an underquilt for a year or two and this is the first time iv heard of an underquilt protector.
I have this poncho/tarp that is made from a material similar to a budget breathable rain jacket. I added some tabs and synch cord to try as a uq protector. It’s heavy but when I was experimenting with it, It made a huge difference keeping me warm using a +/- 50 degree DIY Pluq to about freezing. It’s heavy, I might get arrested by the fashion police but I swear by a poncho and now it’s a multi-use item. Thanks for the vids.
I haven't used one but have been in situations when I wish I had one with me. I too like to pitch my tarp in a way so I can see out.Thanks Shug always good to see you
Oh Shug, I really have to stop watching these...I’m almost as hammock obsessed as you. I miss the good ol days when I thought an eno was serious hammock gear....nah I don’t miss it! Thanks for all of the valuable info you’ve provided. I’ll forever be an adventurer because of it!
@@pureblood2020 16 feet!!! sounds like heaven. I'm rocking a pretty novice level set up right now. Ridge Outdoor Gear Pinnacles Hammock and some other items.
I didn't know that was a thing! I'm not surprised though. I've been thinking about rigging my SOL emergency blanket up as an underquilt. I hope it works. I have a few tarp clips to help.
Great video! This is perfect for a lightweight 3 season hammock setup, because your tarp will most likely not give you full wind coverage, nor widespread rain protection and there will be splashing. But, personally I prefer a full blow hammock sock. In the winter it really helps, and turns my hammock into a pod system like the snugpak cocoon (without restricting you from a diagonal lay). I also use the One wind tent tarp, which is basically like the Superfly you mentioned. Lastly, a sleeping pad is preferable to an underquilt since you can sleep on the ground if no trees are around.
Thanks. We differ as I am under quilt all the way and don't like being closed in by a sock. I get too much condensation in a sock and got into hammocks to feel open. But we both like hammocks!
I grabbed an EE centurion underquilt protector/bug net combo and couldn't be happier though it could use some adjustments like the added shock cord. Thanks for turning me on to these years ago!
I just got mine a few days ago from Hammock Gear, haven't used it yet but seems like it'll be perfect for my full-length underquilt, and being somewhere it rains a good 2/3rds of the year, I think I'll need it!
Excellent video shug I too have a under quilt protector I recently got it last year only used it once so far and it does help a lot I got my under quilt protector from warbonnet I also got my Scandinavian -25°F under quilt from them as well unfortunately this year I have not had the chance to use that under quilt soon however very soon winter is upon us but it's already there for you
I hang my hammock and also use the smaller tarp to be able to view the woods, lake or river. Once I forgot my under blanket (Snugpak) and used an orange reflective blanket. I rigged 550 cord over my ridgeline and used carabiners on the egress side attaching the cordage to the four corners of the blanket. Surprised that it actually blocked most of the side wind allowing very little wind to cause me any discomfort. Now that winter is nearly upon us I'll have to invest in a protector; and that table, too. It would nice to remain in my warm bag and enjoy my morning coffee. Thanks for the sources, Shug.
Professor Dangle, i am still figuring out how to keep the rain from dripping in at the top and bottom of my setup. I gotta rewatch that episode. Thankyou buddy! Always happy to see you & your dangly dimples🤩🙏💜🎵🎶☮🎶🎵🕯🎭💐🃏🎯🎼🎼🎼💃💃💃
@@shugemery yes i think that was the problem, i had water coming from both directions& i got soaked! Hehe, not dirty, just a lil hmmm edgy maybe, Professor Dangles from edges. Weeee
Shoelace will do it...just make sure it is under the tarp an inch or two under. Same concept. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-J1OXNc_JEPc.html
I bring mine all the time but not exclusively for blocking wind but to prevent rain and mud splatter all over my underquilt when using a smaller tarp pitched down tight. I camped once over hard black dirt ground and had a heavy rain. The next morning there was splattered mud all over my underquilt.
Simply Light Designs has a combination underquilt and protector. Honestly, it isn't really much different than a Wookie. I went with 40 degree on that so in the warm season it is all I need, and in cold weather, it can serve as a protector around thicker insulation and provide a little extra insulation as a bonus. Can't stress enough to not sit in them like a hammock. Accidentally missed my hammock and landed in my UQP this summer; glad no one saw that. Luckily all I broke, other than my butt, was a shock cord tensioner. Tied the cord back into a loop, and I haven't even bothered to replace the tensioner yet.
I have the same one and I love it. It never comes off the hammock. Its always warm, it kills the wind and it keeps ambient mist off of your hammock and quilt. NTM ordering from that company is a holy &^%$! experience. holy &^%$! thats a nice price holy &^%$! they made it and shipped it already? holy &^%$! this thing is awesome!
By the way, I just received The Maple King art and burst out laughing while reading your note : I have plenty of white walls and your art is the only thing on them (and the only thing needed!)
I got my underquilt protector from Adam and the crew at Hammock Gear. I’ve only ever used it twice but it did help hold in some warmth. You might even say it saved my ass. :)
Had issues in the past with under quilt becoming a parachute on super windy nights & sideways rain/ heavy rain getting to the under quilt. Protector is a good idea, but more oz. for a gram weenie like me though.
whenever i demonstrate my hammock to someone, i set it up and challenge them to lay in it for 10 minutes without falling asleep. no one has made it yet...
Hey Shug, you should try out some usb heated vests and insoles. I ordered some from China and all the reviewers are happy with them, but youtube hammockers don't really use them. They could easily replace any warm bottles. All the best!
You read my mine. I was looking at different protecters today. I didn't understand if to I should get one with underquilt hooks on it or without for my Raven. I heard you had a Sector 7 DYI mind reader radar that reads mind from miles away there at sector 7. Are we ging to see a reveiw on the machine? Nice video.
Hey shug love your videos! I also love hammock camping tremendously, and I live down here in linville North Carolina. Camping in the gorge is awesome and i'm quite fortunate i get to literally just walk there (or hike if that's what you want to call it lol) from my house and camp in such a beautiful area. I had an idea though, and I wondered if you ever looked into it. You mentioned in this video that you loved seeing the trees and things around you, so have you ever looked into getting a clear tarp? I've tried to find some type of material that's lightweight and still durable while being entirely transparent and I haven't really turned anything up. Having a clear tarp would make for such an authentic and unique experience and I think someone out there could make thousands by inventing it. Thanks for reading! Stay froopy!
I do like the cozy coverage of a tarp but pitch it different ways to see sky....ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DAYLi_mDzPI.html Hickery and I always say when we get real old we want to be in that Senior Center in Gingercake area. You lucky to live near the Gorge! I am missing it.
"How do I look?" Papillon. Couldn't get: "You've come to see me." The underquilt protector - eliminating the "Plumber's Butt" of the hang. Don't leave home without it.
@@shugemery I don't know what it is, the lines just pop-up in my head. This Halloween I'm going super PC with my stage craft. The Theme: "Vlad, The Vegan Vampire." He'll be sucking blood oranges.
Hi, Shug. I'm relatively new to hammocking, and wonder this: When one is committing to the extra ounces to carry an UQ Protector for the reasons you mention, wouldn't it be "dual purpose" to instead bring a lightweight, single-ply hammock to use for UQP, but also if primary hammock has tear/gets wet, etc, or if another hiker needs a hammock, or just to hang a short distance away from base camp for a bit? Thanks, Shug.
No, it is not designed to be used that way. You would need a much stronger fabric and suspension for what you want. The fabric in a UQP is usually very light and not meant to hold weight.
Thanks for the info on the underquilt protector. At 8:03, I'm starting to wonder How Many times you said Dangle in this clip ? Dangle-O-dangle-E-dee ! Whoooo buddy!
That is a Warbonnet Eldorado and they suggest foot high. From Warbonnet Website:Find 2 trees that are ideally 13-17′ apart. Hang the hammock so that “once occupied” the foot end is about 16′′ higher than the head end, and by “end” I mean the end of the fabric, not the attachment point on the tree itself. Since the foot end needs to be significantly higher, the easiest way to achieve this is often to just position the hammock much closer to the foot tree AND attach the webbing to the foot tree at head height or above. Having the head end farther away from it’s tree means it will sink more when you get in and that is usually what you want. The BB/XLC/Traveler is designed to be laid in “off-center” so that your head is very close to the head end of the hammock while your feet are alot farther away from the foot end. This allows the fabric under your legs to spread out properly when laying on the diagonal. To do this you’ll want to lay so that your eyes are aprox. even with the farthest side tieout (BB or XLC) so that one tieout is even with your eyes and the other is chest level. Once you are laying in this correct spot you will then determine if you want the head/foot end higher or lower. Most people will want it setup so that when your eyes are even with the tieout that you are basically level/horizontal from hips to shoulders, so if your upper body seems too inclined or declined simply move the webbing up or down the tree trunk to adjust. My Hammock Hanging Basics video...ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--Cvj0ISjzl8.html
great explanation as always shug. about to place a order for one but I'm debate over the uqp vs the full sock. the sock defeats the purpose for me forsure as like you I love to see the forest around me but it's -18-c. I have a 10f (-12c) hammockgear gear quilt set full size underquilt I should mention. hand warmer lots of wool clothes and hot water bottles I can get through a night without suffering. just wondering what you'd suggest uqp or full sock. condensation in the sock scars me to no end lol but the micro climate inside would be nice.
Long time watcher, but I am going back over some videos because I am considering altering my kit a bit. I've been bringing my under-quilt protector by default; I am going to reconsider it. I ditched it on my last trip because the weather forecasts was good and I realized it weighs 5ish oz. What's the point in investing in an ultralight premium under quilt only to add 8oz of weight to it when most premium under quilts are made with water resistance materials? It will only make it into my pack if the weather forecast looks nasty or for winter trips when kit is already heavy anyway.
Love that shirt Shug. What might you have hiding in the garage sir? Absolutely love all your hanging stuff but any McLaren guys got to have something sneaky hiding under a tarp somewhere. Break bread man where's it at
Hi Shug. I am from the UK and winters are often cold and wet. I tried Dutchware hammock sock but it condensates. Would a UQ protector, protect my goose down UQ in a damp environment....Any suggestions would be helpful. Thanks man.....
I too get condensation in a sock. Like a UQP for keeping heat in the UQ when the wind tries to suck it out. It can help in the damp...but damp has a way of getting in all the same sometime.
Sounds like the UQ protector could be used with a partial UQ instead of a full UQ in some conditions - saves weight, maintains warmth to a certain point. I don't have a protector so asking to learn.
Shug, how do you like that table? I've been looking at it, wondering if its worth it also is it very heavy? Thanks a bunch, always enjoy watching you, you can put a smile on my face every time. Happy hiking!
You can check all the specs and weights on the website. schwarzebiene.de/en/home/#Produkte As you can tell.....I really like my table a lot. Shorty...8.5 ounces Best Buddy.....11 ounces including two shot glasses. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QT9F-YhVgjc.html
The "beaks" on the mini fly.... you tie them back it seems? I have that tarp and the beaks always confuse me. The tarp ends up being high on the m ends, like an inverted peak. Seems to work fine but wondered I might be doing it wrong. Thx for the video buddy. I wish that potted meat weighed less to put in the ol backpack.
I rarely use them but this may give some insight.....ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-EfNTbomtRIY.html They need a dehyrated potted meat burger on white bread.
Shug shuggidy Shug Shug.. quick questiaoná... on the eldorado with the wooki (which I just purchased and can’t wait for)... do you prefer the Warbonnet undercover protector or the 2qzq undercover protector... I keep going back and forth over it.. to me it seems like the Warbonnet one is kinda floppy. Yeah sure I could zip it up. But I’m not sure I would like it being a sock pod unit situation spaceship thing with a floppy footbox inside... so that makes me look at the 2qzq more.. plus it’s basically 1/3 of the price of the Warbonnet unit... Did I just answer my own question? Maybe so.. Any feedbacks on that particular thought, mr shujé?
Thanks Shug. Well that settles it, then. The guys have spoken. And they said stuff. And stuff they done said. Figured it right out for me: many thanks. Preciate it. Super good. Yup. ‘Aight den. Happy fall to ya. Hope you’re getting in some nice bug free trips in the near future good buddy.
i also have an El Dorado. Have you had any problems with keeping it in place since there are no loops on the hammock. i use the wookie so i don't have the cords to clip the uqp to? would it work attached straight to the suspension?
Shug, I was wondering why I cannot get my underquilt to keep me warm. I have been using pads for years and decided to buy an underquilt from watching your and others video's. The underquilt is rated to 30 degree, but is too cold at 60, I have done all the things that you have shown and luckily I am not stupid and always bring my backup when testing new equipment which is the pad. I see all the advantages you guys say about underquilts but cannot get away from my pad.
What UQ? Goose down, duck down, synthetic? Are you migrating your down?... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-07rYfwaOyDQ.html Here is my whole UQ playlist...ru-vid.com/group/PLahaAdtfX9ZKzSYSBm3mBYSPGHjdyGqsL
Could have something to do with insulation type and how the manufacturer rates their warmth values; i.e. survival or comfort. Ex.30deg survival rating will get you thru the night but you would not be happy. While 30deg comfort should provide warmth all night. But there are many factors that play into this; compression of quilt, wind, air temp, humidity, air gaps between you & quilt, and more importantly...going to bed warm already. 😊
That's a large gap in temperature to be feeling cold, but you may be a cold sleeper as well. Improper adjustment is likely the culprit, there's likely cold air passing underneath you through a open gap. I haven't needed a underquilt yet and so far only used ~10-20F rated 850FP goose down quilt I made myself and been fine down to the mid 30's. I'm an average sleeper I'd say, not too cold and not too hot so somewhat accurate to the ratings. Synthetic insulation I find not as warm with commercially made items, usually I do need more clothes on to meet their stated temperatures.
@@shugemery Thank you for responding, the under quilt is a full synthetic (chill gorilla), I know it is not high quality but I will not buy an expensive one if I cannot get them to work. This one protects only 10 degrees past bare back, I watched your vids and noticed this did not have the head and foot shrink cord in it so I sowed them in and it helped but just barely. I guess I am asking if you have had any problems with keeping warm in a sub par under quilt or is it me. Been following you for over ten years now and nobody holds a candle compared to you, thanks for all you do to all hamockers out there.
@@cleener I never stayed as warm in a synthetic UQ. The UQ is one place to not skrimp. Hammockgear has Econo UQs for a great price and they work. Just make sure to get it dialed in properly. That is key in any UQ. ...hammockgear.com/economy-under-quilts/
I did the same, always camped in my bivy while cycle touring but recently bought a sewing machine, made a couple hammocks, made a down quilt, and got my first season in on them. I'm not going bivy anymore, all I gotta say about that lol. Shug's videos improved the quality of sleep I get on the tours ten fold.
@@boxlid214 Yep, I'm going to try my daughter's hammock out if she doesn't mind and I can see me getting one too. I watched Shug's basics vid and will show it to her too...I'll remember to tell her to make sure sector 7 is all clear too lol.
@@justvin7214 It's good to figure out the length of hammock you need ahead as well, that's a good thing to keep in mind when trying one out that's not set up for your height. The four foot rule, so if you're 6' tall, you want AT LEAST a 10ft hammock, preferably a 11' so you're able to get a flat lay in it. You'll be a banana even while trying to lay diagonally if it's too short, which your daughter's likely will be, so it'll be good to know that ahead.
We have a Bernina.Does what I need. But many kinds out there. Just get a good beginner one and go to it. Take a sewing class and watch tutorials on You Tube for basics....
You don't need fancy for outdoor gear. SINGER 44S $150. Brother ST371HD $200. You will want a heavy duty mechanical machine to start. The fabric may be thin but when you get into multiple layers like reinforcing attach points, a strong machine is nice. Just about any domestic machine from before 1980. You can get used machines cheap from second hand stores, but for your first purchase I would say buy new. Older machines may need to be fiddled with. You start doing that and you will have another hobby, (don't ask me how I know).
Singer 201-2 if you can find one, and or a Singer 15-91. Prices sneaking up on them both, but they are solid rigs with internal motors and gears, no belts! Look them up, learn how to spot them, at first glance they look like all the other old black Singers with gold decals, but they are not....
@@stoneblue1795 I have and love this machine as well, but it only does straight stitch. You will need to learn how to deal with edge fraying. The zig zag attachments for these old machines move the material not the needle, so large pieces can be a challenge. The singer 237 does straight and zig zag. I see them on ebay for around $60
OMG!! That black and white TRAIL CAMERA footage starting at 6:53 caught the most hideous creature I have ever seen in my worst nightmares!!! Aaaaaaaaaagggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No way am I backpacking in those woods!!!
I use a sleeping bag with a zipper in the foot end, put the hammock in thru the sleeping bag and voila, u have a nice warm back. No need for a under guilt.
