Yeah I was also thinking the next line "We don't need no thought control" doesn't really match his double negative idea since with that logic, he's saying "We need thought control" which doesn't match the message of the rest of the song. Nonetheless, great video as always.
Indeed.... it is common for less educated folk to use double negatives when their meaning is a single negative. So, in the song, there is no hidden meaning - it's just narrative taken from the streets of the UK.
At first i was thinking the same thing but when i was looking to my own past and how children actually were, i am tempted to state that kids do need thought control. As part of their education to control their emotions and not to start using violence or destroy material property (nor their own nor others). So it's got some kind of double sided story to it i think.
My favorite Pink Floyd Album is Wish You Were Here. The band were saddened that Syd Barrett was not along for the ride of success. They Missed their friend.
David Ellis I agree Wish You Were Here is probably the best. Lie only mentions The Wall, Dark Side of The Moon, and Piper at The Gates of Dawn. Wish You Were Here is most likely the most consummate effort from the band.
I fell in love with 'The Wall' at the age of 12 and devoured Floyd and Waters all my days, but I was almost 50 years old before this tiny piece of lyrical genius suddenly hit me like a train. The man certainly has his moments 😎❤
@Tshanot exactly what I was thinking. Lie's reasoning here isn't convincing to me. While I don't think Roger is advocating to abolish schools, the use of double-negative doesn't convey the message Lie thinks it does. But everyone has their own interpretation, and mine is: By saying "don't need no" and "them kids", he's implying that the kids might be worse off with this kind of 'education', but only slightly. As in, the kids will be fine without dark sarcasm and thought control, and all the bad things done by the teachers and this might leave them with gaps in their knowledge, but they will still be able to express themselves well enough. They will be fine.
now hold on... before i watch this i have a few words to say i DONT hate this song. i love the wall album, every song on it. while i dont hate this song, im tired of it. im hoping this video will give me a refreshing taste on it. the wall is such a powerful piece. you need to evaluate the album as a whole
Yes i think i evaluated much of the concept in this video. I think it would be impossible not to do that as this song is so centered around the theme. Hope you enjoyed.
The disco element really makes for great transitioning into the next songs...disco is kind of a marching beat, so it thematically fits. I personally think that The Wall is one of the best concept-albums I've ever heard in my life. The imagry, narrative, pace and production are exceptional. It's like reading Orwell.
Same here. Think it fits and sounds great. A lot of people have a hard time accepting that this song has anything to do with disco though. And it's kind of funny how some people are dilitant in the notion that this is "just rock". As if Disco would be some low-level genre to step into, something Floyd wold never do. Now you said this is the best concept album you've heard. Cool! Personally i think it's a great concept, but the album is not that good sonically. Too many twists and turns for me. My favorite concept album will be Mastodon's "Crack The Skye". Check it out here if you want ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-crE4hKmcQfY.html
Best version is Live Earls Court for Is Anybody Out there. The tempo is fast everyone is one their a game even the back up musician that doubled up with Roger, David, Rick and Nick. It's the definitive for me.
"We don't need no thought control." Another double negative. So following your logic, Waters advocates for thought control? I don't think so. I love your videos man, but I had to point this out.
I replied to another message up there somewhere, I'll paste it here too. Exactly what I was thinking. Lie's reasoning here isn't convincing to me. While I don't think Roger is advocating to abolish schools, the use of double-negative doesn't convey the message Lie thinks it does. But everyone has their own interpretation, and mine is: By saying "don't need no" and "them kids", he's implying that the kids might be worse off with this kind of 'education', but only slightly. As in, the kids will be fine without dark sarcasm and thought control, and all the bad things done by the teachers and this might leave them with gaps in their knowledge, but they will still be able to express themselves well enough. They will be fine.
@@carlomorelli1785 But that comes later in the character arc and only furthers Pink's descent into madness. I still believe Waters was just using youthful rebellious slang rather than advocating for actual thought control.
Not only that there are 3 parts, but the melody of the chorus is used as a central motif. The rhythm behind the solo in Hey You, and in a slightly different arragement used in Waiting for the Worms and The Trial.
First Polyphonic released a video, then an hour later, just when I thought this day couldn't get better, I got a notification from LLM and I'm so happy rn
I was kidding man, I was alluding to the fact that the title makes it look like it's the second video in the series. I'm a huge Pink Floyd fan and this video made my day ;)
I also think that "All in all you're just another brick in the wall" could be him thinking that the other students are sheep or in other words the wall is society and being normal makes you a brick in it. That's the interpretation i always believed first.
Sounds like a legit interpretation to me. But it's impossible not to follow a norm in one way or another since we're social creatures. Our survival is based on our ability to adapt to other people.
the traumatic events of his life are the bricks....if you isolate yourself from other people you can't have your feelings hurt...' of course mother's gunna help build the wall' ....and the judge at the end..' I sentence you to be exposed before all your peers....tear down the wall'....and once again he is vulnerable to others....dude....I got a huge wall up....been listening to this album since it came out...it's a straight up fuckin masterpiece
I have the VHS and the DVD copies of Pink Floyd the wall, my father gave me those as a 18th birthday gift and i still watch them and have them to this day. My fiancé loves the movie and the band too. Watching the whole movie can help understand the album better. My most favourite album is Wish You Were Here by Pink Floyd
How cool. Not weird that you're a hardcore fan when he introduced you to them at such a young age. WYWH is fantastic. I think it's my second favorite after Animals.
I was at school in Tooting in south west London when this song came out. We loved it. It was our anthem. The school looked just like the one in the video (Penwortham). I was born in NZ though. A kiwi. Parents played Pink Floyd from as long a I can remember. Now my nephew likes them too and plays some of the guitar solos etc. Three generations and counting. Good music is timeless.
this is great for people who want to get into pink floyd it really helps you to gain interest on the music and also the backstory of how roger wrote the álbum, great job and the audio quality is great
dan bugman Thanks! I'm glad you think so. That's the idea for the channel in general. To introduce people to rock music they haven't listened to before. And give the music a bit more meaning.
Cool video. The Wall is so well structured it's amazing. Having seen Another Brick In The Wall II on MTV as a kid I was swept up by the song like a lot of people but had no idea what album it belonged to. It wasn't until about a decade later or so when I tried acid the first time (2 doses) and listened to The Wall for the first time also that same night that I found out where this catchy pop song came from. Possibly the greatest double album of all time. The psychedelic operatic masterpiece that is Pink Floyd The Wall.
Pt 3 is my favourite song on the album, such a powerful song. Woke up to notifications of two of my favourite RU-vidrs uploading video essays can't get any better.
Nice. Yes i love the synth part spesifically on Part 3. It's very ominous and psychedelic almost. Who's the other one? Polyphonic? Middle 8?? Volksgeist??? Just curious.
Polyphonic , he picks amazing topics something absolutely different everytime , but I can't relate to a lot of his videos cause I don't listen to hip hop but I enjoy his rock videos.
"Pink" is definitely a hybrid character. Partly Syd Barrett, partly Waters, and there's probably a few observations about other PF members and musicians packed in there as well.
I always thought that the song was about how the education system creates mindless people who eventually never use any of the knowledge, so why even try?
GoreGoreGore[math]Core well that's another way of interpreting it. And i think there's some truth to that. But it was also deeply personal to Waters' subjective experience of his schoolyears.
I think Roger would disagree with that. He went to college for architecture and ended up using what he learned creatively when designing the stage show.
@@Pr0jectFM since the song was about his much younger days at school in the UK , the guy uptop might have a point. In those days in lower education you were taught by rote, you weren't encouraged to go of script.
you had teachers, in public schools..meaning state run schools..who taught 2 or 3 different subjects,maybe he was proficient in one of those subjects if you were lucky..and they taught like the Army, as most of the teachers had fought in the ww2..officers mainly..very strict very authoritarian..
Brought about by goverments/world leaders of the time wanting to "brainwash" their youth into not thinking for themselves, and so fitting in with forced ideology.
Fun fact: Last year, there was a protest movement in my city, Murcia (Southeastern Spain) over a high speed train line that was supossed to cut the city in half with a 6-meter wall. The movement used this particular song, with new lyrics, to represent their opposition against the building of the wall, and an enormous mural was painted in a building using motivs from the movie. I think it's awesome that people of all ages and from all around the city used Pink Floyd as an inspiration for a protest.
Honestly one of the best story driven albums of all time 👌👌 Though it's not as popular it'd be interesting to see your take on The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking since it shares a lot musically with The Wall and was Roger's other option if the band didn't like The Wall. Some days I even prefer it over The Wall since it stays solid throughout the entire album.
To me, the song which explains the album perfectly is in the flesh part 2. It has so much anger, depression, and deeper meaning which sometimes goes unseen
Yep, the fascist portion of the album is really a highlight to me. The sense of discomfort and dread created in the last moments of Waiting For The Worms is something beautifully horrific. (especially with those hammers)
The new graphics in this video look good. Particular the faces of those concerned. I've been enjoying your video essays for a while now. I liked the little nod to Norway's VG-lista. Good job. Looking forward to your next video.
Thanks! Yes i'm always trying out new things to make the videos fresh. Just you wait, in the future i'll have my own version of VG-lista. Just for rock music of course hehe. Are you from Norway btw?
I've always thought the verse "all in all you're just another brick in the wall" was being said from the teacher telling Pink and the listener that you are nothing special, you're just like everyone else. But this video made perfect sense of that now.
Im gonna have to disagree with you especially the second half of the song. It goes into a decently long solo which is not disco at all. The only thing I would agree with you is the drum line. Thank you for the response tho
There's another possible interpretation of "we don't need no education": that few of us use the education we received in our youth in our adult lives. I've never used anything that I learnt at university in my career, and only used a couple of things from my maths A-level. I think the line "we don't need no thought control" alludes to that; education should be about teaching us to think and to learn, not merely filling our heads with facts that may prove irrelevant to our lives.
Great Video! It really gave me another point of view. I really love Pink Floyd, their Albums are like one long song, an the lyrics are very thoughtful. More Pink Floyd please!
Thanks. I'm glad it gave you something. Have you seen my other PF videos? Made one about Animals and another one about Syd Barrett ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zQgNjjmTKqA.html
My favourite part of the video is how the teacher is reading the lyrics to Money, a famous song that made them millions of dollars, calling it rubbish and then returning to rote memorization of Imperial units of measure that became obsolete shortly afterwards with metric adoption, rendering the class a total waste of time for everyone.
I had some rough times at school as well, I'm on the autism spectrum although I have high functioning autism. I also have dysgraphia and am 2e. Dysgraphia can affect different people in different ways for me though it stunted my ability to write-by-hand, mind you this happened in 1st grade which is where kids began writing paragraph essays by hand. Since my handwriting abilities where terrible and the teacher didn't understand it I ended up sitting in front of a blank piece of paper class after class. Even worse was the fact that I was 2e (twice exceptional) 2e describes someone who has extreme difficulties in some areas and extreme strengths in others. My difficulty was, as written before, handwriting. My strength was speaking, not only do I love talking with people I'm also really good at it, my vocabulary when I was a 1st grader was comparable to a FRESHMEN IN COLLEGE. So my teachers didn't understand why I wasn't able to write very well and many people hypothesized that I spent too much time goofing off in class or that I was lazy. This went so far as the teacher who watched us play during recess didn't care if I was bullied, they thought of me as a punk and someone who didn't care. Eventually, the bullying got so bad I had to take matters into my own hands. I punched a kid that was bullying me in the face and broke his nose, for this I got suspended but before I was able to be suspended my mom clued into what was going on and pulled me out of there. Thank goodness she did that. Anyway, that's my horrible school story thanks for reading and if you have any questions fire away. Also, I am now a freshman in college at the age of 15! Edit: if not for my mom I would have my own wall blocking me from society
Phew that sounds like quite a challenge for you. But at the same time i guess it's a great gift as well. Not a lot of people are aware of what their strengths are. Some go throughout their lives being ignorant of what they should and shouldn't do to get the most out of life. You should probably get an occupation where you can utilize your language and voice. Personally i didn't find my strengths and path until i was 21, although that's also pretty early i think. It's very impressive that you're already in college btw. Congrats! And i'm glad you dodged the wall hehe. Keep on dodging them.
@@LieLikesMusic Thanks I'm lucky my mom was super supportive did a ton of research helped me a ton the unfortunate part is that many people don't have parents like that so their abilities are wasted until later in life. Anyway, I had to give credit where credit was due so... thanks for responding btw!
Guitarists! The story behind how Ezrin recorded that famous solo is interesting and there are millions of results if you google search it. My understanding is that It's Gilmour's goldtop Les Paul with P-90 pickups routed through a few things (Neve console, gated and compressed then sent to a Mesa-Boogie amp, and a few other bits and pieces of studio trickery that I can't recall) some room-reverb mixed in, double-tracked and mixed to a mono track - and it's almost impossible to replicate. Many have tried... If anyone is out there, I find a Strat neck pickup, a good compressor into an RC Booster run into a decent valve combo (I use a Fender Bassbreaker and/or Blues Junior) will get you close enough.
In the english language a double negative is seen as a stronger emphasis than a singular negative so "we don´t need no eduation" would mean something as "we absoulutely need no education"
And the song even describe my school days, when I was in school my teacher (maths particularly), that bastard always use to make fun of me, beat and even tell lies to my parents about my behaviour, and it was all fucked up for me at last I told my grandfather and he filed a lawsuit against him IF ANY OF YOU ARE TREATED LIKE THIS IN SCHOOL PLEASE STAND UP!!!
It's so cruel that people do this to children. Just because they fucking can. Some people have to grow a pair and actually get their life together before getting an important job like this. Ugh...
I found everything that you had to say insightful except for a couple of points. 1) I read an interview that the true inspiration for the album came from a book that Rogers have read called the wall. 2) how is Piper the number two album for all of Pink Floyd's discography? The album is very obscure. I would say the wall is second and the third is wish you were here.
1) That might be true. But do you have a link for that interview? Would love to listen or read it. 2) Piper is the #2 best rated album according to acclaimedmusic.com. The site compiles as many reviews as possible to find a total score. And Piper has a better total score than the other ones you thought of. It's just numbers. It might be different for other sites of course.
You sound young and I think that's awesome that you know your music and very well by the sounds of it.....real musicians and musicianship lest we forget Lol.keep it up
A note on the bit on the double negative: While it works if you look at the line in isolation, the next line, 'we don't need no thought control' also has same double negative. Are we supposed to look at this in same manner, as roger implying that we doo need thought control? It is quite hard for me to believe he had such intentions with said line and it doesn't feel like it fits with the theme/scheme of the song/album either.
I heard from someone else on here that it's typical english slang. Which basically confirms what you're saying here. Guess i thought a little too hard about that one lol
Kind of surprised that you didn't bring up the fact it is both for and against rebellion. As portrayed in the video, the children turn into faceless drones. But the group of children singing together is a show that rebellion can collectivise people, turning them into the faceless crowd they were rebelling against.
My take on this song is that Waters is saying the education system makes you another brick in the wall. Kinda as if the education system is the factory and a student is the finished product (finished product meaning another brick in the wall). Just another member of society doing what school tells you what you should do. Just my opinion no harm intended.
Speaking of grammar ... you put a few extra commas here and there =] The "poem" the teacher reads in the film is "Money", which is 1) a nice inside wink to Pink Floyd fans and 2) makes a point about the potential negative cost that kind of shaming and humiliation can incur. The "bricks" are the things that justify his self-imposed isolation. Because these things happen - the death of his father, his upbringing by an overprotective mother, his experiences in grammar school, his successful yet demanding rock music career, his estrangement from his marriage leading to a "Dear John" moment - Pink uses these events and circumstances to create more and more distance from others in the name of self-preservation. This is, funny enough, a very relatable as well as understandable conviction. After all: if your interactions are going to bring nothing but pain and misery, what is the point of interacting at all? But Pink learns the consequences of lacking empathy and decides to "convict himself" to "tear down the wall".
Yes i'm aware that i'm not the best at pronouncing or speaking. But until i can hire a master narrator, this is the best i've got. A few people have already mentioned that the "Money" lyrics were used in the poem. I knew that, but chose to keep it out of my script as it didn't prove my point in any way. But i'm glad you added it here. Cheers
4:58 ever notice why the other student's laughter seems off? I mean it could just be that it's not real but it could be that their laughter is so robotisized because they are being programmed and commanded to laugh.
I would love to see review at least on of these , Tom waits, Fugazi, Boards of Canada, Sebadoh, Sigur Ros, Spoon, Smashing Pumpkins, Low, My Bloody Valentine, and Her Space Holiday. all are some of my all time favorites.
Amazing! That song did it all. Rock/Punk hit. Pop hit. R&B dance hit. A simple human statement and an angst ridden folky protest anthem all at once. Brilliant!
Hey I know it’s not exactly rock, but have you ever considered doing a video on the blues and how it’s influenced rock music, and just music today in general?
Yes i've considered that. But that's a topic that will take me a lot longer time to do research on. So i'll have to plan carefully. It's going to come though, i just don't know when yet. Thanks for reminding me of it.
Can you do "Understanding XTC"? I feel this is one of the most underrated bands of all time. They have some of the catchiest tunes you'll ever hear, especially on the album "Drums and Wires". More people need to learn about them, please!
so it sounds like Estren went down the the school and did the recording pretty quickly, which would make me think the kids are just following the melodic shape in totally arbitrary tonalities, as is often the case when groups of kids sing together. But there's something very clean about the audio which makes me wonder if they maybe tried to write it in harmony? or is it really just kids singing like kids?
