How to get louder with increasing the cone area and thusly moving move as air. Cone area is king. Understanding the relationship between cone area and power to achieve as desired goal.
I've been dippin and dabbin in car audio since 1989 and bro u continuously shed new light on a whole bunch of stuff that I knew about but didnt know totally about. I appreciate the knowledge. Thanks👍👍👊✌
What youre saying is 100% true and i hope everybody learns from you dude! Very knowledgeable stuff here. However the key thing to also remember is in a perfect world this would all be to the T. But everybody owns different vehicles some hatch, some tiny coupes and sedans or huge suv’s. Trying to cram larger subs and larger boxes in a tiny trunk will sound terrible. There would be no room for the woofers to breathe. Some setups in trunks can actually benefit from smaller woofers. That being said you can just do a behind the seat build and forget about the trunk but for those looking for a daily build. Larger subs arent always the better option. Id say for small trunk builds. Go with a high power handling high excursion woofer in a very well built box. But if you HAVE the room to properly fit bigger, i definitely would go with that!
Thank you for the information, kicker definitely know's their subwoofer.. they know 500 watts is perfect for the 8" subwoofer.. I've always been a kicker fan.. this is good knowledge ty once again..
The other bit of info you left out is the excursion potential of the driver. You're pretty close with the surface area surmise, but the truth is the displacement capability of a driver, which is surface area x excursion. That's the real performance metric there. That is also the reason higher performing drivers need more amp power, to drive the woofer in further excursion. All things being equal, you are correct if a pair of drivers have the same excursion capability, then yes, the one with more surface area (cone area) will in fact play louder. Great video btw! 2 thumbs up!
Yo! I’ve played with ALOT of subs in truck applications, I’m convinced 8’s work best! I’ve settled with DD 608’s, great electrical running 2500rms solid. Now You got me thinking about going to high school days and running Kicker!
My guy!! Coming through with this video. I had 2 Kicker 12 inch CVX, wired down to 1 ohm, and had a Rockford Fosgate T1000 push those bad boys. And that amp and subs worked hella well together. Best freaking setup I've ever had!!!!!! I had the subs in a ported box, with the port in between each sub. My lips felt like they were going to fly off when bumping some DJ Laz.
Aw man you ready, can't wait to hear them sir. I have a sundown x12 about to put that in the midgate of my 2008 avalanche z71, but I can't wait, and im running a rockford fosgate t1500-1bdcp on it keep the great content coming. ✌🏿
Man we had 2 of the blue barics 12s in my buddy Sebring back in the day in a super bass box we built in not the trunk would make the dirt on ya porch lift up love them subs and as long as you don’t dog ‘‘em they rock for years. Shoot seeing these I may get a couple in my truck this year
You gained a subscriber. The only thing I could add is efficiency.. IF your amplifier/power source can support a lower impedance you can in theory gain more output. Thank you for the content!
Say my brother byou are the truth sir love the way you break shut down no sugar coating on nothing keep pushing my brother wish I could speak with you personally I have a pair of db drive G2 12s in my 2012 infiniti fx35 would like to rap with you if possible ✊
I have a pair of kicker cvx d4 and a pair of skar evl d4 12s. Playing them in my bed room I notice on the same low power at 250 watts each at half volume. The kicker Xmas way less than the skar but had more output. Think about this look at the bottom and top of most kicker's cones. It has both dips and Peaks which equals up to extra area. Them 3D ridges and shape are actually adding more area cone Space. And at the same time making the world's strongest plastic cone woofer ever.
Brother it's good to know cone erea is a must to move air I'm waiting on the solo baric L7 X's yep if they ever put them out for sale I've been waiting patiently but at the age of 55 I'll b 56 b4 I'll get a pair of them if not a pair at least one 10 will make me happy 😂
I've had my kicker solobaric l7 15s since 2007. Just bought a new amp a few months back because the subs out lasted the amps. Now I traded in my Yukon and got a 2021 trailboss, been trying to figure out what I wanted to go with that would work with my 2500.1 amp. Had been thinking about 4 8s. Think I'm going with the l7 8s. Wish I could hold out until the solo x comes out, but I honestly am not that patient. Now to see if I can get a box made that will fit under the seat and still allow these bad boys to breath.
Is it the same case with midrange speakers? More cone area = more output or is it, more wattage rms = more output? Or is it a mix of both, any help would be great, cheers!!
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Just found your channel and I’m enjoying your perspective. How would 2 of these compare to a single 12 for output and low end? I have a ssa demon and like it but want to try something different
Which would hit harder those kickers in a ported box or a 4th order box? I want something that will not take up a lot of space in the rear of a 2006 Honda Odyssey.
I just upgraded my 13 oddy with 2 ct sound tropos on a at500.1 ct amp with a big ported box and it slams for what they are! I did have to cut a wire to both microphones in the car to shut off the noise canceling system because it would hum super loud with the doors shut lol
xxflaxxdread yes.. but only slightly... you would move more air with 2 versus 1. But since you not increasing the power and the speaker size is the same the increase would only be slight
Hey MBE luv ya vids...I have a question,,Should I do 3 L7 q class 12s or 4 L7 q class 10s ? On a kicker zx2500.1 or maybe a Rockford fosgate t2500 I debating one of these amps...thanks bro
So if I go from two db drive 12s 1000 rms, to two Kicker L7s Solobarics 1000 rms, I’ll get significantly more bass or would it be a minuscule difference? Assuming both boxes are tuned to 30 hz
I understand cone area being king but what about xmax a cheap sub being bigger with no xmax vs a smaller sub with lots of xmax would be louder more expensive yes but louder where am I wrong
He's forgetting about sensitivity. Subs with a higher sensitivity will be louder with the same power as subs with a lower sensitivity rating. The customer who got the two XFLs could be lower if they are more sensitive than what he had.
The L7s look cool and the area efficiency is awesome, but I don't think they look cooler than traditional circular subwoofers. There's just something so mesmerizing about watch a circular cone move up and down.
Theres others factors that go into what performance you get out of your subwoofers others than just cone area the materials used to build said subwoofer the stiffness of the spiders and cone material the weight of the parts magnet material (neo) type of box (t-line etc)
question ? would modifying your box by adding more ports to it make it louder ? for example if the box has one 4 inch port on it, by adding 2 more four inch ports now total of 3 ports, that would be moving more air.. right. i know it will change tuning, but will it be louder or have more output ?
For once a man that understands what a L7 is about. I know they aint the biggest on rms, but if u after deep hard hittin bass. I recommend any L7 in the right box with a Kicker KXA/KX amp. Non refurb on the kx amp take my word extra 100$ is worth it to have it bought new. But that setup will b. Beast. I dont know anything about Q class amps. But there subs are beast. And they will last forever if u under power them by just a lil wattage. I got 2nd gen square solobaric no sewn tinsles still running. Not once have i had to sauder. N best L7 to me is the gen that came out right after the chrome and blue ones. And moat of all i like that deep bass so i got them in a sealed box i have 9 in total just 4 12s running now. 2 2nd gens and 1 chrome gen and 1 next gen after the chrome. All on a anniversary Phoenix Gold Titanium 1200.1 wich is guaranteed for life some HOW. But the amp dynoed after leavin P.G HQ 4 ohm 800 2 ohm 1300 1 ohm did 2300 Certified. But i know my voltage isn't keeping with those numbers. But i swear i roll up bout 5. Grab my book of cds and turn radio 23 and JUST ride for hours at a time. No bs 1 time i bumped the exact sytem i have for more than 12 hours straight a few breaks to eat piss and buy n roll more blunts. N still hav them.bumping today Sry for long ass message
@@M.B.EnclosuresOK, I was just checking to see if you used a different size than recommended. I've built plenty of boxes, ported and sealed. I'm just not that into the L7s like that. I didn't like the L7 12s that I had. People that didn't understand systems thought they sounded great, but I didn't like them and nothing was wrong with the box.
Technically incorrect.. if the cone was flat that this math would be correct. But air has volume.. the raised logo and the concave shape of the cone actually increases the it significantly.. this would be closer to a usable 61-62 not 55. Kicker knows this which is way it has that huge logo in the middle resided off the cone.. other company do the same with large dust caps or textured paper cones like the sundowns or old school Vegas or any number of subs. Keep in mind this is also a limiting factor for sq.. the smoother the surface of the cone the better the quality will be but pressure and loudness will suffer.
3 old school jl 15 w6 easily hit 145 db off an old school RF 200.2 in basic sealed box in my grand Cherokee in 1997...the same 3 w6 15s hit 149.5 db running off an old school 90s punch 500.2. In the same jeep . The only thing I hated about those fucking jl drivers were the surrounds would split after only a few months of use . At the time the w6 was the flag ship jl driver and had the best peak to peak linear excursion on the market. They took very little to power... Solobarics were still round then ...lol
Actually three ways...if you have a 10" subwoofer that is 81 db efficient at 1 watt 1 meter...and you change to a subwoofer that plays at 85 db at 1 watt one meter...it will be louder assuming all things are equal.
