fun fact: Toby Fox played a piano rendition of Necrofantasia for his church while he was in high school. ZUN's reaction to this information was "You played a song called 'Necrofantasia' in a church?!"
@@impartingsea429 you don't get it. People are specifically looking for it being played by toby fox. When that's most likely what he mentioned and the person above only repeats that.
@@Vedhonohh I see what you’re talking about, I missed the context of your first comment. Yea If toby supposedly played it back then, it would very unlikely be online.
The funniest part about this is that the newer Touhou games (LoLK onwards) could perfectly have been referencing UT/DR in some way, especially the CORE - Keiki's motif part, considering recent news about ZUN and Toby Fox's friendship (and most importantly, the Kagura dual arrange)
I doubt LoLK specifically could be be referenced in Undertale, or vice versa. The full version of LoLK only released a month before Undertale did, during which Toby Fox would have been doing playtesting and bug fixing, so it would've been impossible to reference it's music. Even the demo's music seems like it would be a tight fit to get into the game. However, it's possible that ZUN did start adding nods to Undertale's music starting in HSiFS.
Honestly I could see Asirel dremur mettoton asgore toriel alphsy undyne and last by certainly not least chara the demon being added in the next touhou game as dlc pack or just straight up guest characters in a fighting game heh many even sans could make it
The undertale cast could be unique do to aseriel dremur being the only character that fights similarly and every other undertale character is grounded apart from chara
@@IdkAlcohol What? That comment makes it sound like Touhou is the only reason Undertale exists, but it's literally a pure lie. If you look at the game, you can see a lot more of the influence of Homestuck and Mother, EarthBound etc. I don't need to be an Undertale fan to say this, I just need to have eyes, it would be cool if Undertale had more references to Touhou because I'm also a Touhou fan, but it's not.
fun fact: in 2:51 the song "bird that carries you over a disproportionately small gap" plays when a bird carries you over a disproportionately small gap
Fun fact, Undertale was originally going to have bombs in it like touhou, but toby fox removed them because the ones he designed "reminded him of the war" in his own words on his Gamejolt page.
Some of them may be coincidences, but Im p sure the one in Omega Flowey (like it's a literal bullet hell) and Baath (Music style and use of ZUNpets) are legit As for ZUN's side, I would say that the CORE music may be a bit sus
It's always so cool when games wear their inspirations like a sleeve, especially when the creator is an open fan like Toby is with Zun. I like to think Zun used Toby's music as an inspiration when making tracks for his newer games.
Your Best Nightmare having so many musical references in one song is fitting. It really sells the idea of moving from bullet hell scenario to bullet hell scenario real quickly, much like a fever induced touhou themed nightmare
@@NeoAya i said the H word sorry......but you can't ignore undertales origin you can't ignore its past.... heck i'll say it i'll dare to say out loud what people are thinking quietly homestuck is western touhou there i said it you can't stop me
Indeed Now I'm questioning if Toriel and Rumia fight, who would win? This is an absolutely useless and random question so no need to answer if you (or anyone else reading) don't want to
I wouldn't say that many of these are stretches, but rather nearly all of them are examples of s form of song writing that Michael Jackson once deseribed as " you need to be able to hum the chorus without lyrics." Toby and ZUN's music excel at being memorable because they incorporate an understanding of the basics while creating a character that fita the song
Oooooorrrrrrr and hear me out it’s because Tony actually mentions he uses Touhou music as a inspiration even going as far as making a entire series of joke “Touhou songs” along with a character to go with them to make fun of people still not in the know way back when and since Toby and sun are friends now 2015 on they kinda get inspired from each others work in a la rezero-konosuba kinda way.
@@Momijitheawoo oh yeah! and honestly ZUN as a musician is just amazing from a learning standpoint of being able to break down his songs into simple lessons. In Toby Fox's case, if you listen to his non-ut/DR tracks (The Greatest Living Show for example) you can hear how he uses key changes to empathize the melody.
Asriel has many things tied with Marisa. 1. Star attacks. 2. Marisa’s Master Spark is similar to Asriel’s blast attack with the gun thingy. 3. Asriel can use colorful beams of lights for attacks (Shocker Breaker) and so can Marisa. 4. Asriel’s attacks are the only attacks that have names, goddammit. At least in UNDERTALE. Similar to spellcards. 5. Asriel’s final form can shoot that huge laser, and Marisa’s Master Spark is also similar.
Asriel is also an anagram of Sariel from Touhou 1. They share very similar appearance and Asriel is associated with the "Angle of Death", which is the title of Sariel. And they are both final bosses of their games but that's just a tiny detail.
Couple of these are a bit of a stretch, but it's still cool to see how much inspiration Toby has had from Touhou. And it's something you can see more than just here, I mean we all recall Heir Conditioning, right?
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a lot of these seem like a stretch but i also find the comparisons endearing, like that one soul theme being similar to heian alien. theres also the one other soul which carries terezis theme being compared to bad apple but this begs the question of whether terezis theme is descended from bad apple (other touhou songs have been snuck into homestucks music. heir of grief has cirnos theme in it LMFAO)
Two of among the very best games which revolutionized the gaming industry. These were so epic, that their communities are still alive and kicking. The story, the art, the ost, the concept were all on point. Gotta love em.
Quite a while ago, both of the fandoms were at war, but now they're chill with each other. I don't know the reason why this whole debate started, but I'm not going to look into it.
@@Hiroshiken71 long ago, 2 races ruled the Japanese/Japanese-adjacent video game music realm: Touhou and Undertale One day, war broke out between the two fandoms.
yes and no exactly. while the undertale community was openly looking for a war. A small sector of the entire Touhou community was the one that began to follow the fight. To the point that to avoid a fandom war, the same author of Undertale managed to speak with the author of Touhou to make certain things clear and end the conflict that had unnecessarily started a part of his game's community. I saw this when it happened and it didn't make sense. I played Undertale after having played many Touhou games. So I knew from the beginning that Touhou had indeed existed before Undertale. Despite all this disaster, the authors get along quite well to the point where Zun himself decided to use some of Toby's pieces as inspiration for some of his most current games. They released an album together and nothing happened here. But the conflict in those years was ridiculous.
@@Hiroshiken71 If my memory serves me correctly, the conflict had started over the music. Well, Undertale fans had started saying that Touhou was copied from Undertale or something like that, that's all I can remember.
you know what is similar? Zun made touhou by his lonesome after learning how to make games and music and art....Toby Fox also did the same where his undertale was made by his own self taught game dev skills....so really id say toby fox is the next gen Zun XD
But Battle Against a True Hero is a fully fledged Touhou song tho. It was applied the 5 rules of the ZUN: 1. A beginning part (sometimes) almost no one remembers / the main part as the beginning but with less instruments 2. A main part that gets excessively used throughout the song 3. A beautiful middle part 4. A Resolving end to it, ready to loop to the beginning, but without the beginning part (most of the time) And the most important one... 5. Trumpets/ZUNpets, and not too less if you know what I mean ;)) Edit: whut 250 likes?? Well thats a first to me
A beginning no one remembers ? What is bro talking about, BAaTH's beginning is what most people remember, and if I had to list the total amount of Touhou tracks whose beginning is the most memorable part I would not have enough space.
i knew battle against a true hero was heavily touhou inspired when i had recently tried getting into the series and had a moment of going "hey, this song's style feels really familiar"
Bird that Carries You Over a Disproportionately Small Gap sounds a lot like "Well of Infinite Depth ~ Electric Onryo" from the Touhou fan album "Awakening Deep Mythos"
those who got the truckfreak newsletter in their email would know that toby fox grew up with touhou, and based the bullet system around it! Its definitely no suprise that the music in undertale is so similar!
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well yes, because toby most likely drew direct inspiration from Touhou Project; Iirc he's stated he's a fan, also the longer I listen to this, is this bait lol some of these are reaches
Well considering Touhou was one of the many sources of inspiration for Toby when creating Undertale I wouldn't be surprised if many of the soundtracks in the OST are inspired by some of ZUN's songs.
Your Best Friend is actually a direct reference to F.U.N. Song from SpongeBob. This was indirectly confirmed in a now-deleted tweet from November 2015 where Toby quotes the song
exactly i dont know why they didnt put that. it has interesting connotations, since that part in here we are is supposed to be alphys theme motif. so does that mean that alphys theme was made after here we are? trippy.
I'm seeing a lot of people commenting about the similarities between the UT and TH soundtrack, but nobody is talking how both games have their own "song that can be played everywhere" meme. For Undertale, there's Megalovania, and for Touhou, there's Bad Apple!! (specially the Alstroemeria Records version), so I don't think that music is the only similarity between UT and TH, they also share other stuff together too, so yeah.
And also the character-that-is-more-popular-than-the-protagonist thing, with Touhou having Flandre and Undertale having, of course Sans. And also the story taking place in a world islolated from the normal world, having characters being either human or monsters (in Touhou's case youkai) with the protagonist being one of the few humans being in a world full of monsters/youkai and having fandoms that are very big and not as toxic as before, being quite chill now.
Well, iirc SOULs themes are confirmed to be from Touhou. Also Undertale's Megalovania has similarities with Complete Darkness from 2nd Touhou, at least at the beginning.
I find it quite funny how Heartache's (potential) inspiration also has the pan flute sound, the same one from World Revolving. (If you didn't know, Jevil's theme was originally supposed to be Heartache when Toby was initially working on Deltarune in 2012)
It feels strange that Asriel is such a blatant reference to Sariel from HRtP. Like, the names are anagrams of each other, they are both associated with death and that’s not even mentioning the fact that the weird clothes all of the Dreemurs wear is almost the same as hers.
I have always had the idea that Undertale was somewhat inspired off of Touhou. Like has anyone ever noticed that Asgore and Flandre Scarlet's attack patterns are far too similar sometimes?
I can imagine Toby had some inspiration, but when actually listening to the songs, it's not like they are THAT similar to say they are directly inspired by it or trying to recreate it. Both games have amazing soundtracks, and while seeming a little familiar, they are still quite different
Toby Fox and Zun are both composer who can just feels the music, Toby just applies that more to adjusting leitmotifs to fit while Zun is truly free with the flow. Both end up with gorgeous melodies that soar over their pieces.
Commenting again because youtube automatically deleted my comment for editing it to include the link to the interview. ZUN had an interview with Toby Fox and Yoshiro Kimura in 2018. ZUN played Undertale before the interview on October 19, 2018. ZUN's music has been greatly influential to Toby, but it's possible that Toby's music influenced ZUN a bit after he played Undertale. The two are on friendly terms and recently collaborated to make "U.N. Owen Was Hero?" Toby wrote in his Autumn 2023 newsletter that he went backstage with ZUN and others after the Danmaku Kagura music collaboration announcement event, but admits that he's only met with with ZUN, "a couple times before, but it was so long ago..." In one part of the 2018 interview, ZUN implied he played the Undertale genocide route but struggled against or couldn't beat Sans. This part of the interview is on the second page of the interview near the middle. Yoshiro Kimura mentioned that it was difficult for himself to make and play shooting games because of his aging eyes/presbyopia, and how it was hard to avoid bullets. ZUN responded, saying that he relates to Kimura, that it's a struggle to dodge a barrage of bullets and "that's why I couldn't even beat that guy in Undertale." I used DeepL and other machine translations, so my interpretation of this part of the interview might be wrong. In any case it's neat that ZUN beat Undyne the Undying, knows of megalovania (also shown in Toby's Autumn 2023 newsletter), and likely played through a true pacifist route of Undertale, as most players do before playing a genocide route.
0:19 Whats weird is flowey's theme is actually taken from a spongebob episode, neat, But there is sometimes where there is a music stuck in your head and you dont remember where did you hear it And some musicians have that and sometimes make the music and when it happens, sometimes the music is from something they dont remember But, Toby is a fan of touhou at the end of the day lol
Welp can't wait to see this comment section turn into flame war of which song copy the other song, all because someone forget to credit a certain Bad Alppe song when try to make a Undertale parody of it :)
I still like that World Revolving in Deltarune Chapter 1 is a mashup of like three different themes. (iirc, UN Owen was Her, Flowering Night and parts of World Revolution from Chrono Trigger.)
To be honest yea I wish it’s still the same way like where Toby makes similar songs to new Touhou games with his new games. It’s not plagiarism when the it’s only inspired.
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