GET schrecked that part undoubtably gives you a feeling of not giving up, reflecting on the memories of all the monsters in the underground world. Upon that it goes into a climax where undyne goes all out to protect everything. Pure amazement. The undertale ost is a strong one.
when people say they will do a genocide run 48% stop at toriel 30% stop at papyrus 31% stop at undyne 1% are souless monsters that make it through the whole thing how?! edit: dude, souless monster is a joke, everybody thinks youre a monster in the genocide run, heh heh, get it? im not going to edit my choice of words because i wont >:) stop taking it so seriously O.O
FINALLY SOMEBODY NOTICED i did that on purpose to see how many people noticed by instead of just putting 10s, where it would be obvious, i just decided to make it more hidden
I quit the genocide route on this fight. Not because it was too hard, but because this was the fight that finally broke my DETERMINATION to continue on. Undertale shattered my completionist urge and I'm both sad and happy about it.
+Casparatis Holy fuck, now I want to see Jirard attempt to 100% Undertale and potentially screw that up. Because... y'know, guess what? It's possible to fuck up, and there's only one way to back out of the 100% genocide ending.
+Sir Nancy The Negative It wouldn't be a 100% completed if one doesn't go genocide->pacifist->true pacifist anyway. Then again, part of the moral is that going 100% completion is not necessarily a good thing.
+Psaa WS Genocide forever locks you out of the true pacifist ending though. Proper order for 100% should be pacifist ->true pacifist -> genocide -> pacifist -> corrupted true pacifist I think
This fight is so hard, but it gives you SO much satisfaction for simple things Getting that gold attack may not do much for the actual fight, but it feels good as hell Getting through a green soul phase without getting hit... HOLY SHIT that feels good
*"Skiddadle, skadoodle, your Geno run is now a noodle!"* -Funny Bone Man And Lesbian Fish Lady, immediately before teaching you the painful lesson that high LV doesn't mean shit.
This song's heartbreaking, imo. Undyne, this fierce, actual hero to her people, who you KNOW you could've befriended, is throwing everything on the line to stop you. You know it didn't have to be like this at all. But you need to complete that Genocide run.
Guys. I'm not gonna lie, this fight was hell. But, when I defeated her, she melted. This is odd, due to what Alphys said in her notes. When monsters are injected with Determination, they melt. Undyne melted at the end of the battle. This means that Undyne had Determination that she made herself, right? She's a badass, is she not?
Spider salmon-9999G *You don't even know what's real and what's spiders anymore *You eat it *Tastes like spiders *You ask muffet for a discount Ahuhuhuhu~ Don't be silly~ Discount is expensive for fish~
+kylezaking After the ''In my way'' and ''Looks like free EXP'' observations on the Monster Child I realised how much of a monster you actually become.
+kylezaking "Not worth talking to" observation on Toriel was the worst I don't quite remember the observation on Papyrus but it was pretty terroble too
SonicBoss 1991, This is a big question: *Did the spaghetti get burnt and if so, did she still eat it? Because I WOULD eat that spaghetti because it caused me so much trouble.*
flowey has 6000hp, geno undyne has 23000hp, however you can deal almost 2000 dmg in one hit to undyne mettaton neo has 30000hp but you always deal between 900000 and 999999 dmg to him
Its funny, fighting Undyne in the Genocide run, besides dying because Im bad multiple times, I cant help, with that music, and the fact that she has her own form of determination, made me glad she kicked my ass as many times as she did.
+MrExplodingtaco What's creepy though is that the end of her fight shows that she actually DID have determination as The Undying. Why? She melts. The only time things are shown, or described as melting or breaking like that, is in the path to the best ending. She had determination. But your omnicidal desires trumped her desire to save the Underground.
+Sir Nancy The Negative That's partially cause as she mentioned, she's borrowing the power of 'ALL' humans and monsters. Though you're also wrong about that is the only time things are shown or described as melting: The amalgamations likewise are melted together. Which would also make sense for her, as she's somewhat melded with the souls of everyone in order to take you down. Still, I wouldn't be surprized that even if she does defeat you, her body would still melt away in the end.
+Psaakyrn GW They're not wrong, the Amalgamates are what they are referencing when they say "he only time things are shown, or described as melting or breaking like that, is in the path to the best ending"
you know she took me at least 20 to beat but now that I actually beat it I can do it easily. Just get some practice same goes for sans which took me about 40.
I honestly had hoped Sans would do this for me, especially considering how that's what he's really all about in your fight with him, but in the end I killed them both.
The real unsettling part is when she *melts* when you beat her. If you've done the pacifist route that should tell you something very clearly: she was *seriously* determined.
So... i suppose alphys injected TOO MUCH determination in the Determination Mutants. But then she had the idea of injecting NOT THAT MUCH Determination in a living thing. So she risked it off on undyne. The Experiment was succesful. However this experiment was a secret. Thats why this isn't on the Experiment Logs. *_BUT HEY. THATS JUST A THEORY. A GAME THEORY._*
If you get to hear this song... You both hear the greatest theme in this game and fight against the most heroic character of all... ...While also playing as the worst character.... How tragic.
I feel like that's what makes this song even better. It's an epic song. *The kind of song you would hear when fighting the big bad in an rpg, through the power of all the monsters who rely on you to win for their safety.* It's not the music you hear when fighting undyne. It's the music Undyne hears when fighting the fallen child.
+iblobtouch This is a great way of looking at it. But sadly, even the power of all the hero's comrades combined wasn't enough against the villain's power of time-manipulation.
As the one who completed genocider's route I can say one thing... Hearing this theme in game is something like "Yeah, so I'm the evil one and you're the defender of justice, eh? So let it be. I'll show you the true power of darkness!" It was the first time when I almost forgot that it's just a game and I really felt that I'm pure villain. It was very instructive experience, yet I don't wanna feel it ever again.
+Hyu7 Honestly, i never felt anything. Sans was right, you do detach your self from your victims. I played the genocide through like i did the first final fantasy: Carelessly, aiming only to achieve victory. Nothing else mattered to me but reaching the end. The only time i reacted with an emotion was the fight with Sans. Everything else was just empty...
+Alexei Strife nothing else is interesting enough on No Mercy to even bother with. everything else dies in 1-2 turns except that pos Jerry, the grinding is a pain in the ass and the majority of the run lacks any real content. you only run to fight the only 2 bosses in the game.
It’s quite sad being on genocide and having SAVES on your side. Oh some neutral runs and pacifist, the messages encourage you and keep you going in a heartwarming way. Here? Undyne is throwing everything she has at you at her absolute peak, and killed you. Several times. But she doesn’t know that. She was the heroine, the last beacon (besides Sans) of justice and honor keeping you from destroying everything, and in her eyes she failed horribly. Hell, she might’ve not have been able to hit you. Perspective is a bitch, right?
She would have saved everyone regardless of if she won or not, at least that's what she believed as she was dying. She was able to set up a warning for Asgore if she failed to kill you. Asgore with the 6 human souls absorbed may have been enough to beat you, too bad he's a timid old fool though.
What I like about this particular song is that you can feel the final stand vibe. Undyne knows she cannot win but regardless, fights in an attempt to stop you
+MyBebopBlues Maybe my ear is terrible, but I'm convinced that this is a more epic version of the game over tune. (1:35 please someone tell me I'm not crazy) The implications of this are awesome.
Coolest lesb i've ever known. I was really depressed when she dying with smile, hoping Asgore will take human souls, but king Fluffybuns just drinking tea. I've never seen such disrespect before
@@Dreamcrusher999 the thing is, asgore is a coward. he doesn't want to fight you. and when he meets you, he doesn't even register you as human. you're so far depraved, that you might aswell be a monster. he knows he can't beat you, and he's too cowardly to use the SOULS.
@@cloverlovania I'm not sure how much of it is cowardice in regards to not using the souls, but perhaps it stems from a place of guilt instead. Considering his lack of wanting to fight you, I wouldn't be surprised if he sees it as more of a necessity, a means to an end, something he doesn't want to do but must
Uhh Undyne is just part of the royal guard and Asgore does not have daughter he has a son which is the final boss of true pacifist run Asriel Dreemurr.
@@on37vn94 I'm pretty sure Flowey isn't a Genocide boss, I'm pretty sure Flowey is only a boss in the neutral run. (Photoshop Flowey) And yes, I'm calling Asriel and Flowey different.
@@BrownKirbyEpic Well, we had elections like three months ago, when the opposite party won Istanbul, they reannounced the elections to not lose Istanbul. So that comment kinda reminded me of the Turkish elections lol
What fascinates me is comparing this to Undyne's pacifist run song. In that, it's sounds almost like she's having fun. The music is fast and jaunty, almost like a classic 'Pirate' song. In this however, she seems to know you are evil beyond doubt. She knows that you can kill her.She knows you will kill her. The piano at the start makes her sound like she has been preparing for this all her life, and when the song goes full-on epic mode you realise that she isn't having fun. She is trying with all her might, not casually suplexing ten huge boulders anymore. Accompanied with the piano and the backing it makes her seem like an angel, someone purpose-built to stop evil. Boy, I wish this song didn't make me so sad - This is her last stand, and she knows it. This song made me cry ;-;
Such an amazing game, i like to imagen that this song is in the pacifist run, simply because the genocide is way to sad. Killing friendly and likeable characters like Papayrus and dear toriel. I love how deep sans is, he seems to know in the genocide run that you will just come back again anf again in the final fight. With theories that he knows all timelines and such. I love the music in the game and even though the genocide run is sad and horrible it's really good in its own uniqe way.
I always loved the fact that Undyne doesn't even cut in between attacks for any dialogue/banter. She is extremely determined (no pun intended) to put you down and know exactly what the risk are if she let's her guard down/loses.
I'm willing to believe that Undyne is the only monster in the entire Underground that possesses determination naturally, as opposed to being injected with it by Alphys. Any thoughts?
Fun Fact: TORIEL Is one of the only monsters to come close to Undyne the Undying’s ATK and DEF stats, along with ASRIEL and possibly Flowey, as we never get to CHECK him.
Funner fact: the CHECK command started outright lying about monster's stats not long after the game's release. Play a really early version or use the wiki to properly CHECK them out.
@@KopperNeoman theres a difference between canon stats and in game stats, theres a reason asriel's stats are infinites but are actually not in the files Because canonically he IS a god, but frisk's determination made his attacks useless This is basically the same for every monster, the stats may be different in the files, but canonically the CHECK stats are their actual ones, theres just a canon reason that theyre either weaker or stronger than what the stats imply, another example is sans, all his stats are 1, but the reason he does so much damage is because of his poison/karma
As far as monsters go, Undyne has by far the strongest soul. Not Asgore. Not sans. She survives a killing blow, and while her body wanted nothing but to crumble away into monster dust, her DETERMINATION kept her body held together, all so she could put an end to you.
+Octavia Philharmonica It *could* have been Sans, but he didn't have the heart for it, his own knowledge of the fact that the world can just be reset at anytime made him unable to really feel any DETERMINATION. He was strong, the strongest, but he lacked the heart to struggle for what felt like nothing at all.
+Octavia Philharmonica Undyne was about to die from all that damage, then her determination reforged her armor and self into a more deadlier version, and her determination was shooting INTO her missing eye to keep her going. Asgore didn't have the heart to kill Frisk at all. Remember, during his boss fight he hesitates, starts having a small heart attack, and then mans up and doesn't get persuaded. Sans, on the other hand, *COULD* have had the strongest soul if he was able to care. Because he knew one day, it would all be reset and he'd be back in the underground, like nothing happened...Thus, killing Frisk would be pointless to him if it'd be reset.
+Octavia Philharmonica I think something that might play a part is how monster bodies are mostly magic, while human bodies are mostly water. Of course, I could be way off.
+CFW Trick Well Sans fight was literally to try and get you to rage quit from the game out of sheer frustration. Otherwise he wouldn't bother with the whole 'Oh looks like this is your 10th time' and so forth.
***** He was actually doing his job. If you do a Genocide Route you'll hear him talk about the "anomaly" and how it might be YOU distorting time and space to prevent his race from moving forward. Also, I didn't feel so bad for killing Sans after I did a Pacifist run 3 times just to visit his room. "Truth is, you got owned, nerd." -San's note
Sorry I know this is a joke but I just need to say Undyne wasn’t injected with determination she made her a own which for a monster is near impossible.
There are only 3 reasons to do a genocide. 1. Fight Undyne the Undying. 2. Fight Sans. 3. Piss off Chara when you reset just before you enter the Throne Room.
fuck man why is it that all the music in the genocide run is so fucking amazing and epic. I can't bring myself to kill all these characters... It'll fuck with my spirit.
+itselguapo It's ironic, because the music always feels like you're on the final boss battle, fighting to end the big baddie's evil... Except the hero's Undyne. This music is for her. You're the evil everyone needs to stop.
Lolouch of the Memebellion well, I dont see eye to eye with you. Sure the morality aspect stops hurting after papyrus, but frankly, I didnt do it for the death, but for the lore. I already got spoiled on the ending to the souless pacifist run, so I have no reason to do the genocide run again, at least for a while. Instead, I'll direct my efforts towards figuring out all possible neutral endings!
Because most people that play the game don't want to actually kill everything they're doing it to understand the story and lore deeper, so when you have to play as an absurdly evil character they tend to root for the person trying to stop the bad guy, even if it happens to be them in this case.
@@comfy88338 imagine trying to battle Undyne the Undying if she could dodge, but when you finally hit her you only chip off a fraction of her health. Literally Sans x20
She probably could. In fact I’m pressure all monsters could but it’s just honor stops them from doing it. Sans though knows you are not worthy of a honorable fight so he put employees dirty tactics like dodging
This is so insane. I mean, this is her song. She is the heroine, she must save her people. You are honest to god cheering her on, but are at the same time the villain, fighting to stay alive. What kind of a twisted reality is this? If she loses, her world is doomed - because you are the bringer of doom. A theme like this usually only plays if YOU are in her shoes, not the other way around. Christ, playing the Genocide route is an endurance to the extreme. You are the most horrible creature alive, spreading chaos and death, how much further are you willing to go? Can you do it? Can you abandon all humanity and become a monster? Good lord, this couldn't be deeper.
+Shino Hunter this is explained in-game though. Asgore's whole MURDER ANYONE WHO FALLS IN AND YOU'LL ALL BE FREE proclamation and all. He's a pretty terrible king.
Now, turn that volume up! **Volume at 50%** Louder!!! **Volume at 250%** LOUDER!!! **Volume at 9001%** Wait, that's too- **Windows shatter, and house collapses.**
+HeWhoEnjoysTehVids Do you happen to know any good games where you play as the (true)antagonist? I find it so interesting when you see the other side's story. Besides, the only reason we find this horrible is because we bonded to these characters and treat them as if they were alive, but in the end they are only code and sprites in a game. Sort of like people.....
A lot of people might disagree with me, but I think that "Battle against a true hero" is the best song in Undertale. Move aside Megalovania, here come the true hero of the Undertale Ost.
+KyleDances No Undyne is still the antagonist, as Frisk is the main character, which makes them a protagonist. However you are the villain, and Undyne is the hero.
A protagonist is a character who is either supporting the main character's actions or is the main character. An antagonist is someone who opposes the protagonist's actions. protagonist =/= good antagonist =/= bad
Undertale isn‘t a good game because of its graphics, it isn‘t a good game because of its exciting gameplay mechanics like its combat system, it‘s good because of mainly one thing: the fact it somehow manages to reach certain players (not all obviously) through the 4th wall via character development, general character originality, plot and almost most importantly its very unique, extremely fitting and beautiful musical accompaniment for all said aspects. The fact that I‘m laying here, 5 years after I beat this game 100% when I was 15 years old and the soundtrack alone still manages to not just put me into the situations and plot of the game but also to let me emotionally comprehend and react to them so strongly, well it means the game along with the soundtrack did something with me back then, I think we can all agree on that.
23000 hp to get rid of + dodging would be insane. And the dodging part would be INSANELY long as Undyne likely has much more stamina than Sans, who dodges *25* or so times himself so imagine...you know what would be hard? Normal Undyne who is dodging and you're fighting her on some kind of hard mode + Undyne the Undying who is also dodging back to back, and thats on some kinda hard mode as well.
Undyne is undoubtedly the MOST powerful monster in the underground, even moreso than Asgore, and that's saying a lot because she isn't even a BOSS monster, her soul doesn't remain for a moment after she dies like it does with Toriel and Asgore. But yet, her BODY remains, because unlike Asgore, she has innate determination. A power so intense her body literally can't hold cohesion under it's effects, and yet she harnesses that power and solidifies, becoming Undyne the Undying. Asgore on a casual day is more powerful than Undyne, but when pushed to their true limits, Undyne goes further than even Asgore can, her devotion and heart is stronger, the will to remain pushes her further because she still cares. When Asgore fights you in a regular run he's lost his heart, he doesn't want to hurt others, he's not a man of war or righteous fury and it takes effort and self-detachment for him to even bring himself to hurt others.
Mind you, her DT powers only come out when very specific situations align, even in the neutral run you can kill her and she wouldn't turn into her Undying form and would just die, it's like a VERY low chance and her determination needs to be on a VERY specific threshold otherwise she'd melt immediately or just straight up die.
Spoilers! I remember trying the genocide run. It took everything i had to kill Toriel. god, it was awful. and then i got to Papyrus. I had steeled myself for this, and after killing Toriel, I didn't think anything would phase me. however, i never got to Undyne. A small bit of text broke my heart and ended my Genoicde run: *Papyrus is Sparing You* I just couldn't keep going after that.
Matt Walker Think about it like this: What good reason could you have to do the genocide run in the first place? If it's only going to hurt you, there's really no reason to. Like Sans says when you fight him, just because you ''can'' doesn't mean you ''have to''.
+Ryuichi Naruhodo I "technically" finished the genocide run and all I can say is that proving Sans wrong near the end is great feeling. What I mean by this is that when you defeat him he believes you will never be friends with him in that timeline. Well, I really enjoy proving people wrong so I restarted the game at that point. Sure Flowey mocked me at the end of run, but I was still able to get the true ending by reloading the game afterwards. It's best to set defeating Sans as the goal of a genocide run rather than continuing forward. =T
The genocide run takes the game to a whole other level, it goes from funny and friendly to something incredibly dark, during the fight with undyne she even states the fact that we are a threat to monsters and humanity alike, she hates and resents humans so much, yet she tries her best to protect humanity from us… it really was a battle against a true hero
When I first heard the song name I thought you were the hero, and Undyne was the "villain". Turns out that YOU are the villain, not her. (not me though since I'll never attempt genocide)
@@sourisxs6830 1. Maybe that's how I'm "programmed", you don't know. 2. That's why I said "I'm sorry" at the end of my comment. You got the answers, happy now?
+Alex Noir Undyne was influenced by anime for damned near everything; being cast in shadow at all times(even her house), dramatic poses, eye glints, doing absolutely everything with FIGHTING SPIRIT. Why should this be any different?
@@theraymansonicandretrogamesfan oh, man, just wait until event where u can change shadow pokémon's charged attack Frustration they're happening very often recently, so it won’t take a long time sorry, the joke is not as funny as i thought. in my language we call it постирония.
@@edinimations well the console i was playing on was pc and it wasn't rendering fast so i bought it for Nintendo switch and what do ya know i did it first try Pc i kept doing and died more than at least 35 times
Her the hero is on there last breath close to death, realizing what the hero is fighting for, said hero musters everything her soul as to offer to put an end to it all.....Only to still lose. Now we know what its like to be on the opposite end of that spectrum.....
+MrGrey321 Not always. many genocide route players get to this fight, and at some point of it or another... Their *DETERMINATION* is broken, and the run ends. They cannot handle the weight.
+isectoid This is a really good point, while she can't stop every villanous genocide player, she is a hero because she does succeed in saving some realities
+Drekyl 1 muster ˈmʌstə/ verb verb: muster; 3rd person present: musters; past tense: mustered; past participle: mustered; gerund or present participle: mustering 1. assemble (troops), especially for inspection or in preparation for battle.
Heroes return home in body bags. Discretion is a better part of valor. Every armor has its chinks. Every move can be anticipated. The best way to not get killed is to not get hit. Dont face danger head on - find a way to backstab or ambush your opponent. PS: ive never played this game - just stuck for the music.
this. this is super undyne the undying. AND THIS *about 20 episodes later* This is a form beyond super undying, also called super undyne the undying 2. AND THIS!!!! IS TO GO! EVEN FURTHER BEYOND!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH *40 episodes later* HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! sorry to keep you waiting, this is super undyne the undying 3!!!
This is the actual hero vs villain fight in undertale. And sans wasn’t a hero He played really unfair with the player. Because the player deserved it. And he did right. But undyne was completely unfair with herself and let the murderer take so many advantages. But still she killed us many times and showed that undyne was a great royal guard and a true hero
Honestly Sans isn't all about that fight with loyalty shit, he's not a hero either. The only reason he came to stop you was because he had nothing left to lose, he lost his friends and brother. Deep down he knows its pointless but yet he still persist just for you to maybe, just maybe consider a reset.
@@anapgimp tbh, I disagree. I think megalovania is just epic. It sounds nice, and it almost feels like "hey! While you die over and over again, listen to this epic song that gets rid of the feeling of adventure in say heartache or even bonetrousle, and just feels like some goofy little tune you'll hear start up again every time you die!". That's just my opinion tho.
I lived long enough to see myself become the villain, and I almost cried when this played. I felt like apologizing to Undyne, but as this was a game, I knew it wasn't real. Never once had a game made me feel like that until then. SHE was the real hero.
I have to say I really enjoy the battle theme's that play for the merciless fights, though I doubt I'll ever hear them in game, after playing through the game in pacifist mode I just can't imagine killing Papyrus...he's a such an awesome guy I went on a date with him and I wished I hadn't been friend zoned.
+metaXzero Flowey's just calling a coward people who are too cowardly to kill, as he's been doing the whole game. Wouldn't give much weight to his words.
Thisisforvortex In this case, he means too cowardly to kill, but morbidly curious enough to see what happens if someone else does the killing. Like watching someone else do Genocide Runs rather than doing it yourself. Actually now that I remember, he called us sickos
It still goes with his whole shtick of glorifying killing, no need to take the demented flower at face value. I wonder if that was aimed at the player, rather than youtube/twitch viewers, though.
I understand where people are coming from about Undyne’s fight being more meaningful, but that’s because they have two different purposes. Undyne is speaking to the character, she is the Heroine, and killing her is showing you exactly that you are the villain. Sans, on the other hand, speaks directly to the player. He frustrates you to get you to quit the game, to reset. Because he knows it’s not the human in front of them, he knows it’s you. Undyne is fighting a villain, Sans is fighting, for lack of a better term, a God.
Undyne's actions are more heroic because she tries to stop you even though it seems hopeless. She won't sit by and allow you to kill everything, unlike Sans, who waits until the last moment to fight you, acting only when there is no one else but him to stop you. And Undyne does identify the player as a separate entity, denying the player's humanity and not mentioning the soul that she is originally going to kill Frisk for. You are deluded if you don't think her speech was directed at the player. For this, she is the True Hero, not Sans, which seems meaningful to me.
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