I didn't realize until now, her body starts melting because it can't handle her concentrations of determination. it's the same thing that happened to the amalgamites.
Yes- she’s literally so determined to stay alive, she basically starts killing herself. I thought that was both hilarious and sad on my first play through
In the neutral run. She has ample amounts of determination to see you die and set the monsters free. But that amount when she suffers the fatal blow begins to melt her. Before she fades into dust. In the genocide route, she gains more determination as she can feel the fear, hope, and wishes of the whole world. She is the world’s only hope against you and thus transforms. Undyne the Undying is the power of determination and the soul of a VERY powerful boss monster. She is even titled the heroine in her fight.
@@Polomance862 not to be that guy but "boss monster" is a pretty specific term in Undertale that refers to the species that Toriel, Asgore, and Asriel belong to
Darker than Vantablack? Darker than Blackhole? Darker than my future? Darker than that hallway you have to go though at midnight when you need to go to toilet? Darker than your underbed? Dark, Darker, Yet Darker?
@Nevvile I mean, I don't know how dark is your future. Hopefully it's actually bright. I honestly wish you the best future there can be. Other than that... yes, it's unbelievably dark. Unless you're making a reference to something and it went right over my head.
For everyone wondering why Undyne dies in one hit if you attack Monster Kid, but takes dozens of hits in her neutral/pacifist fight - the game establishes that the greater your intent to hurt, the more damage you do. In the genocide route, Frisk is filled with so much hatred and violence that they can deal enough damage to one-hit Undyne. In neutral/pacifist routes, Frisk lacks the violent intent to kill her instantly, because they're good/morally grey instead of evil.
+ betray and surprise kills are 1-hit KO. Toriel did not want to hurt you, Papyrus was oblivious, Undyne just threw herself in front of Monster kid without thinking, Mettaton didn't think you were seriously gonna hurt him, Asgore was offering you a cup of tea.
@@davidperte62 I don't really think that Mettaton didn't think you were going to hurt him, I think he was just trying to buy more time for Alphys to evacuate the monsters by fighting you.
I've come to expect Undertale near-genocides to be sad, but Undyne continually refusing to die is straight up depressing. Such a good way to drive her character home and give her death more weight.... But shit man, now I need a hug.
Tried a genocide run and couldn’t kill MK coz dude, that’s just a scared kid like, I couldn’t. And then Undyne pulls this stunt and I was like “not worth it, restarting and doing a pacifist run”. Couldn’t even finish the fight
Monster kid is sans confirmed-!1!1!1!1!1!!!!1 They can both apparently teleport you want me to fight them on the genocide route. And their stat total is only a 2 number difference?!!?!1!
“what did you do to him?” “what did you DO TO HIM?” “papyrus, who i have trained EVERY DAY...” “even though i KNEW he was too goofy to ever actually hurt someone...” gosh, toby knows how to hit us hard for killing papyrus
Bendy Gillum gosh, i could never get over just brutally murdering an innocent, merciful being like papyrus, who thinks that you are offering a “hug of acceptance” when you go to kill him
@@Dittosaur.w. WHY NOT?! You should! He is an innocent monster and you brutally decapitate him. He never wanted to hurt anyone. He's kindhearted and doesn't deserve to die. Shame on all the people who killed Pap! Shame!
I think Undyne was a peak example for players to better understand how their actions effect the game. She has so many different dialogues that you could have based on whatever thing you did, every npc you kill, she knows and remembers. If you killed nobody she'll know and even make fun of you for it lmao. This game is amazing and is still one of my favorites to this day. (One of)
De hecho no tras un reset undyne no recuerda sus diálogos y son los mismos solo es por una ruta sabe si no mataste a nadie si realmente no lo hiciste y si solo mataste un random Simplemente no ve piedad absoluta en ti
Los reseta elimienan los recuerdos de todos, excpeto de flowey y probablemente de las amalgamas ya que vimos a una transformarse en un punto de guaradao, pero lo que si tienen son dejavus
“Hello, uh yes, I know I wiped out everyone in my path and threatened to do the same to everyone in this town but I was wondering if I could get a room?”
Genocide and Pacifist are not just about killing and sparing everyone. It’s about how you behave. Even though you can’t kill monster kid, sparing them gets you a neutral ending because you’re showing you still have some empathy. On the opposite end, not giving Undyne the water after you spare her also gives you a neutral ending because to be a true pacifist, you have to show kindness and compassion to everyone. You can’t just not kill people and then say that you’re a good person.
this is honestly more evil than a full genocide. in genocide, even if you feel bad you're still relieved that you finally beat undyne. but here,,, ouch :(
Since Undyne did not save a life [monster kid] from the monster killing all monsters she was not able to "connect" with all of the other monsters as she says "all of our hearts beat as one" or something of the like so she did not turn into undying but rather her own determination melted her.
Theres a way to kill undyne without fighting: kill her of heat stroke by pouring all the water on the ground in front of her fish lady face, which locks you from pacifist, the perfect evil plan, it works.
Marco Valencia I love how she try to pull her determination shows she was willing to save everyone. I thought she’d actually become undying but no and that made me a little sad.🥺🥺🥺
To me that hints she was exposed to determination in Alphys's home or lab. Either by mistake, or perhaps some under the table experiment by alphys? Sneakily injecting her with some determination, thinking it will protect her/make her stronger.
@@desplaynam3 this is how spoilers, obviously attack Monster Kid. Undyne will jump in and block the attack, and get OHKO'd. well, not quite KO'd. that's where the Undyne battle starts - on the bridge, not the Undyne Arena.q
Very subtle touch (and can't remember if this happens normally, but) I really like how Frisk turns to face the player right after this interaction, as if having just now reaffirmed their humanity again
Just like when Kris turns to look at us when doing certain actions. Its like both of those characters are aware we're controlling them, which is sad. :c
@@YuriMeoDeos lmao right before scrolling down to read your reply I was picturing Frisk and Kris just slowly turning around to look at the player with that audio 😭
I’ve actually never seen undyne’s death, I just knew she melted, but seeing this has made me admire and appreciate her WAY more as a character than I ever thought I would
Undynes neutral death is obviously tragic, but we can't ignore how much more full the beginning feels because of her talk about papyrus. She's not just "the head of the royal guard who will kill any human because the barrier needs to be broken" It feels like a friend avenging someone who they know never deserved what came to them. No big crash of music, no story on the origins of the souls, just straight challenging her friends killer to their face.
This scene really makes you think for a moment. Would you really fight a kid that helped you in a different route? Would you go lower than you already have just to continue an evil route? While Undyne does take the hit instead if you decide to FIGHT, I can imagine blind players thinking for a while. Honestly, I'm just glad that Monster Kid leaves unharmed either way, even if the world does get destroyed in the Genocide Ending.
It’s interesting that the action of sparing Monster Kid invalidates your genocide run because you always end up hitting Undyne instead of MK and never actually kill them. That means that genocide requires not only killing everyone, but being malicious in your actions even to those you know you can’t kill
If you spare papyrus the last of the game will be change to a neutral route, basically if you spare a boss or mini boss your genocide route will end, though the area you attempted to do genocide is still affected, but if you spared Sans he just kill and dunk you
@@lord_khufu well, yeah, but MK is different. No matter what you do, you can’t kill them. It makes sense that sparing Papyrus, for instance, would invalidate a genocide run. Since certain characters are aware of different timelines, and the player possibly having completed a genocide run before, thus having knowledge that the choice was irrelevant, I thought it was interesting that the act of sparing someone who you knew would never die anyway would force a neutral run
It's so interesting how much killing Papyrus changes Undyne's pre-fight dialogue. Normally, her anger towards the player is focused on her primary job, which is to protect monsters from humans. However, once Papyrus dies, she has a reason to hate you in particular: out of concern for the well-being of a friend. No longer is she ridiculing the idea of telling a well-known story in her world, rather she noticed the odd lack of Papyrus in one of the most underrated monologues in the game.
i think that's one of the saddest deaths in undertale bc after her health bar is all the way down and she continues attacking, u can see her slowly deteriorating in her attacks bc she gets slower and slower
Yeah. Maybe it fits well with her being The True Hero. In any other game you are "the hero" and if your main character dies the game is over so special attention is given. Another character that gets that kind of extra attention is Sans but you only fight him in Genocide route.
Undyne the Undying dies smiling, confident that Asgore can and _will_ kill you, saving not only the monsters, but everyone and everything from the demon that is Genocide Frisk. Regular Undyne dies trying in vain to cling to life, the same Determination that let her hold out that long also causing her magic-based body to melt and deform, before she finally dies and fades away into dust.
I don't exactly find the death unsettling, at least until the 'I won't die!' part where she's struggling to hold on to her determination. The first time I came across this battle, I was surprised at how sad it was after after she started dying, especially when orchestrated with 'Don't give up', I don't know, it just caught me off guard on how sad it was to see Undyne struggling to stay determined as I kept striking her down.
@@selenium3447 well..no you have to do it in the ruins first killing the first froggit and each monster in next area right after toriel kill each you encounter in that exact room until your battle says..but nobody came but also make sure to save at the save point just incase yt videos also help i know this was year ago but still.
Y'all realize that this chick had so much determination in her naturally that when she was dying she was melting like the failed projects like that's some deep shit right there.
After dying from Undyne in genocide for the past few weeks seeing the fight against normal Undyne in the neutral route and that I was struggling on it is just sad.
It’s been years yet I look back on the neutral route Undyne fight and am still saddened, she is determined to keep alive and defend her people, but as a result ends up killing herself as Monsters aren’t able to handle Determination
Yeah she is determined here too, this makes her live longer in return for basically melting, she just isn't as determined as in actual genocide where you don't spare mk
Isn't it weird that when you attack monster kid, Undyne is killed in one hit but if you spare monster kid, Undyne takes several hits despite having the same weapon, armour, LV, EXP, and base attack.
Basically that's a betrayal kill assuming that monster kid believed in you and he wanted u to spare him but u didnt and betrayal kills do extra dmg that's why
This just goes to show how much toby cared about this little game that he made SO MANY different dialogues depending on how YOU personally play, whether you spare that ONE monster on genocide, or kill only one monster, atleast SOMETHING changes. Thats how much toby fox cared.
The fact that Undyne refuses to stop fighting until her body gives up is really sad (her attacks becoming less dangerous and hit for less damage makes me feel like the biggest jerk in the world).
It reminds me of the fight between Lee and Gaara, how even when he fell unconscious his body continued pushing forward on autopilot, because he was *that* determined to try and win.
Did you notice the final hit wasnt a slash but a foot print. Not only did you not kill her with a blade but you kick her while shes already at her lowest point. All it took to finish her was a kick.
I find it interesting how no one is talking about what happens at 5:37 I mean think about it, Undyne surely would have turned into her Undying forme at that part, right? But she doesn’t. Because you SPARE Monster Kid, she doesn’t turn into the Undying forme. Monster Kid was probably someone important to Undyne in a way. When you’re doing a Pacifist run, she gently sets down Monster Kid after accidentally picking him up; And, more importantly, she backs AWAY from him when he defends you. She WATCHES you attempt to murder someone. She’s never seen you kill anyone else, but at that moment when she sees you trying to kill Monster Kid THAT is why she turns into her Undying forme. She still has determination, but it doesn’t become nearly as strong without watching a friend nearly fall before her.
I mean yeah but I think it's more because u didn't kill her u now essentially just fucked the genocide and it reverts to neutral so thus u just do a normal fight with her like in the neutral route if u don't spare her
The final hit being perfect in accuracy when defeating Undyne before she is weakened is incredibly poetic. A light of triumph in victory after a struggle against an armored fighter.
Actually, technically, she did become an amalgamate. She jus died much earlier than the ones in the lab because she has a TON of determination, and her body couldn’t handle it. The ones in the lab were carefully injected with certain amounts of DT.
@@ShadowSkull1240 inb4 undyne is the first amalgamate to die does undyne count as one, though? she isn't fused with a monster yet, but she sure is melting down like one
@@ShadowSkull1240 the amalgamates would have died as well but they melted with themselves to have bodies strong enough to stand the determation they were inyected I mean look at endogeny it's at least 10 dogs in there Or snowdrakes mom ? She's 16 monsters fused into one Undyne had no one to melt with and well....You all Saw what happened
Dang, I’ve never actually seen the dialogue from Undyne after you spare monster kid instead of killing him.. In some ways I actually prefer it over the other scene of her sacrificing herself to save him. We get to see her stop and grieve over Papyrus, and she turns that into a greater motive to kill you. Not only that, she also brings up Sans not being around- which is a good reminder that something’s still going on with him, he hasn’t just disappeared after the death of his brother. Really cool stuff.
when her hp bar get to zero, and she dint died i was like "OMG HOW TO BEAT HER????" untill i realized no matter what u do in that moment (use spare, check or fight) she will slowly dying
2018 and I’m still discovering new things about Undertale. Lots of weird stuff with Gaster, and his followers. So many hidden gems that you’d have to play hundreds of times in order to see.
Dark Pony263 that does happen that happened to me when I was fighting undyne the undyne true heroin when she had the giant heart on her chest aldo I didn't beat sans yet
Joe6168 even if I started one I'd chicken out, successfully making the situation worse by making a a neutral I think undyne's fight is the main reason I can't do neutral either
This reminds of the fight in dragon age in the elf orphanage one of the elves defending the place is a ghost and keeps yelling "I can't die I can never die" like they died fighting so determined they don't even know they died.
Oh my god I've never done a neutral run myself, only True Pacifist and Genocide, so I never realized how FREAKING DEPRESSING Undyne's death is! Like, MY GOD. That's the saddest death of the entire game, and it's not even in the genocide route.
I only did Neutral Run On my first go of undertale so that I wouldn't have to face Omega Flowey On Pacifist, and so that I can get the controls down and the battles and what not
Doing a neutral run first is probably better cause then you can do a True Pacifist run AND get to the True Lab (You have to have finished Undyne and Paps's dates, *not killed anyone, and beaten Omega/Photoshop Flowey atleast once*)
@@commandercornflakes3786 Chara is only like that once you feed them with lv, if you have basically no soul and you are filled with hatred of course you'll be evil. The real villain is the player imo. Chara can be good in pacifist run (there's a lot of proof that they narrate everything)
Me: Look at my face, do I look like I'm sad?! (Inside) *chaos* WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYyy (it fills you with depression ) YyYyYyYywyaisjhwhaizoqlkwmhua
My Canon theory is that when she starts to melt that's because her body's trying to turn to dust at the same time her determination her will to stay alive is trying to hold all her particles together while they're trying to fall out her body it's like sand being held together by water it stays together but it's slowly dripping
i would kill to see each route fully animated and voice acted just to see how terrifying it would really look in real time seeing undyne fade away as she continues to say she refuses to die and her voice gets deeper and her physical form melts away. it’s super fucking sad.
