@@Firefly256 Whether it is canon or not doesn't matter. The comment I replied to said that clover always dies at the end, and I was pointing out that clover does not die in genocide
@@mccharles1257really, I thought you just had to have killed at the very least one monster so your not in a pacifist run, I just killed the bots because I had no emotional attachment to them and wanted exp, only to realize they don’t give exp
What made it even more surprising is that in neutral, you can't ever kill martlet. I tried just killing everyone I came across in my first neutral run, and since martlet managed to survive then I thought she'd just never die.
I actually tested out the Neutral Martlet Rooftop dialogue the other day! This dialogue happens if you're LV 1 or LV 2, not just 0 EXP. There's also alternative dialogue for being LV 3, 4, or 5, dialogue for LV 6 or higher, and dialogue for Aborted Genocide.
Are the conditions for the aborted genocide dialogue to get to the steamworks in genocide, but then abort it there? Or does that happen no matter where you had aborted genocide (like if you were on genocide in old ruins and aborted it immediately after)?
@@TheLastestYo-KaiWatchFan9001Sans isn't aware of timelines either, he, like all other monsters only gets a vague feeling of déjà vu whenever you reset. He's just the only one who manages to put two and two together thanks to Frisks expressions and attitude when treading an area they've been before.
@@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-FoxSans is actually fully aware of the timeline shenanigans, his boss fight and an easter egg if you reload in the judgement hall in the pacifist route reveals this. He just doesn’t keep his memories after resets, unlike Flowey.
I got to the roof with 3LV and she gave something similar to this! She said something like “you’re not shy about defending yourself” and responded with the “why would you..?” instead of the “i should’ve known..” i’m guessing there’s different dialogue here for different LV but i haven’t been able to find it on youtube!
@@HCBinarywhich makes sense since it’s also where you fight her on genocide. Martlet’s role in Undertale: Yellow is a fusion of Sans and Papyrus’s roles in Undertale
Makes sense. It kinda sucks since it won’t fully make sense since in my case I only killed Starlo by accident and Martlet wouldn’t have known so the “I should’ve known” wouldn’t fit perfectly. But I just assumed it was cuz I got the secret dialogue where you attack her when she tells you to and then spared her otherwise in her battle. So she “knew” cuz i was willing to attack her during her fight lol
Same here, I couldn't bring myself to kill any of the major bosses in my Neutral Run and ended up getting to the roof at LV 5, and got the same dialogue you did. Was wondering why I was getting different dialogue from the Neutral Runs on RU-vid but yeah it seems like it was LV related since they all had higher LV, pretty cool detail similar to the Sans judgements and calls. Someone needs to add this detail to the UT Yellow wiki
Man, I hope someone someday makes a story of Clover's everyday life in Snowdin with Martlet if Flowey just let them be, would be cool seeing a more grown up Clover helping Frisk through the underground
@@johay899depending on how long the time gap is supposed to be between UTY and UT I can imagine just a 50 Clover stumbling accross Frisk and then knowing what comes next.
@@YourAverageMop The time gap shouldn't be that long between UTY and UT, as Undyne is already the head of the Royal Guard, and Alphys is the royal scientist, and overall, not much is different, just that you visit two completely different areas of the underground. In fact, the biggest and probably only difference is that Mettaton hasn't fully become a star yet, which I assume means Hotland has little to no signs of any of his show sets
Spoilers: If Flowey just "let them be" he probably wouldn't even exist in this kind of AU. Remember, Flowey's manipulating Clover into getting SOULs for him (why does pacifist ending with "I guess you earned your rest" exists then? Perhaps Flowey learned some bits of basic freaking empathy). Plus Flowey was sick of Clover being stuck with Toriel, and after making so many twists just for Clover to live with *MARTLET* would be insanely annoying
This is the same dialogue as with 1 EXP iirc My first run i killed a micro froggit by mistake and decided to run with that, Steamworks was harder but other than that it was just a normal neutral run. Then i got this dialogue I think that it is more about being neutral without killing anything outside the ruins tho, as Flowey mentions. Only Ceroba can tell you're "corrupted" so no one else knows you killed anything.
@@omegahaxors9-11 i tought i could not spare them and that the red text was to scare the player :( But i wanted to play it like a tru RPG and get into the role of Clover instead of trying to use meta knowledge to restart for pacifist.
@@johay899there could be SEVERAL different outcomes depending on what Frisk does. if Clover finds out Frisk is killing monsters, ESPECIALLY in Snowdin, Clover might’ve been a boss. Martlet may try to stop Frisk as well, possibly ending up sacrificing herself if Clover is about to die. After Clover is assumably killed by Frisk (Frisk gets infinite tries but to be fair Clover DOES remember what happens and that could actually be good for the plot), Frisk could either steal Clover’s soul and just keep doing what they’re doing but now with Clover’s very low LOVE gained (Depends on what Clover did here.) and Clover’s items and power of justice. Or Clover just straight up dies. Looking away from the dark and into the bright where Frisk is pacifist, Clover and Frisk could potentially be freinds, and Asgore might get alerted there are TWO humans and literally come straight from his throne or alert the entire Royal Guard. if Frisk is neutral, this outcome could turn differently and the two humans may get mad and try to defeat Asgore together, with Frisk SAVEing right before the fight so they can restore Clover if anything goes wrong. Since they both remember, they can both learn attack patterns and potentially weaken Asgore, either killing him out of rage or sparing him out of their desires to have a happy ending, with Asgore realizing that the two humans are undefeatable. Clover and Frisk both venture through the Underground, Clover introducing everyone to Frisk. Once Frisk and Clover reach the Barrier, depending on what they chose with Asgore, they could either split up, Clover staying behind with the monsters and Frisk telling the humans how monsters aren’t bad, or they could both break the barrier using their power and the power of the five other children.
Honestly, same. In fact, that's the sole reason I did genocide. Just to kill Flowey. I think it's the most traumatic part of the whole story. The good ending is so close yet so far away, and the closest route ends most horribly. If I want the thing I despise the most dead, I have to do it in spite of everything else.
I didn't think to try because I could see the game letting pacifist continue there - after all, even if you shoot her she still feels like she has to say sorry when you meet back up in the Dunes. That being said, maybe that would give some unique dialogue here - perhaps she'd even say that she's sorry for making you fight her back before since it's clear you're a kind person in the end? I expect it'll just be this dialogue again, or maybe even that it won't abort pacifist, but if anyone does do it I'd be interested to hear what happens.
It comes in on an urgent mail message and you're made to read it right there. There's footage of this on RU-vid already - if you can find a video of a murder run aborted in the Steamworks, it's exactly the same cutscene as that.
She probably got impaled through the spine or whatever equivalent that monsters have so she's paralyzed and can't look down. All she feels is a stabbing sensation through her back after walking towards Clover. One can forgive her not thinking rationally in such a situation!
I mean if you get attacked while talking to someone you know might attack and kill someone while completely alone with them you would probably assume they attacked you
Ok but wouldnt she be confused that her body was lifted off the ground even if flowey's spine-breaker attack didnt allow her to see that its a plant-based attack?
“Who wants to see what would happen if Clover stayed with Martlet?” All hands raised “Who wants to make a story about what would happen if Clover stayed with Martlet?” All hands lowered
Ironically, in my personal opinion, A neutral run where you kill a robot is honestly the best ending in the game. Ceroba doesn't end up betraying Clover though is still going through her struggles maybe eventually warming up to Clover as seen in pacifist just without her actions, Starlo gets together with the fiisty five and invites clover in from time to time, Martlet acts as clover's sort of guardian/roomate, and Clover ultimately lives together in Martlet, enjoying their life, because despite the true pacifist ending being the "true ending" I still feel like Clover doesn't deserve to die that young, even if they gave their life willingly. Clover would still have 0 exp by the end of their run (though it is still morally questionable but still is the overall lesser evil) and they get to live happily most likely until adulthood or even until they die of old age, in which case their SOUL is given up after they've lived a full life. Now if it wasn't for that pesky yellow flower who took it away from us at the last second... Really makes you wish that there was a way to shoot him huh...
I got something similar to this after killing around 3 normal monsters and a robot and she said something like "though you were never shy about defending yourself" but it mostly remained as this one, including the part where Martlet feels more betrayed instead of saying "I should've known..."
I only killed the first encounter I got in the dark ruins and also got this dialogue, I assume the conditions are a bit more loose since I must've gotten EXP.
According to other comments, this dialogue is locked to LV1 and 2. At 3, 4 and 5 there's also a different set of unique dialogue. I haven't tested it but enough people have said it that I believe it's true.
Oh so destroying a few bots attacking you is somehow murder but deactivating all of them at once at the end is somehow fine?? I don't get how dismantling a few non sentient machines somehow makes you no longer a pacifist, and turning them off isn't considered as bad even though the result is the same?
Well, if you can turn them off, you can turn them back on (unless something in the game implies otherwise, I haven't seen it. Unless Steamworks is good at keeping backups, a bullet in the CPU should decommission them pretty thoroughly.
After defeating Axis in a normal pacifist route all of the bots are fine and doing their own thing so Axis probably reactivated them and told them something like "OKAY SO, NEXT TIME YOU SEE THEM DO NOT ATTACK THE TALL LADY AND THE HATTED KID OKAY?" and they just went with it, which is better than making them fucking explode
@@alochuz1962 lol I did too. Just by accident tho. It’s not that big a deal. A lot of players will just attack and kill ppl if they don’t love them. I wanted to kill those stupid frostermint and the sand “junebug” thing for being so annoying lol
@@alochuz1962 tbh starlo is one of the more justified kills considering he puts a gun with a real bullet to your face. most people wouldn't just surrender
i like how even the dialogue options you can choose are different too because martlet isn't as concerned or worried about you and you arent detatched from killing anyone because technically you didn't kill a single thing so you're just happy and have nice choices
Honestly it's kinda dumb that it's treated as a moral choice if you kill the bots. It seems like most of them would try attacking _anyone_ who came near, so you're just endangering other people if you let them be
0:30 “You’re seriously gonna fall for something so obvious?” Then you can bring me back to the last checkpoint, right? Still not as obvious as drinking stomach acid
Got very dissapointed by neutral route. Horrible ending and i never got to kill martlet. I just wanted to keep adventuring with Flowey but the elevator never works
Gawddamnit I understand you completely. I also was disappointed by the fact that I can't kill Martlet in neutral, plus the dialogue on the roof is the definition of "illusion of choice". And of course, the elevator *never* works, how could it be otherwise.
@@djangogames3720 Uh so I decided to tell you just in case you didn't knew. Don't forget to take the gunpowder. It's like, the best healing item in the game probably, and will really come in clutch at geno. And enable the autofire, it will help a ton at Martlet.
After this... After this, if I ever play undertale for some reason, that damn flower it's dead, don't care if it once was a goat child and lore reasons, he's dead, I'm sending him to straight to hell
So, to get this, do I need to abort Pacifist at the Steamworks when Ceroba is already with me or just killing a single monster before Steamworks will do the trick?
I think either killing a monster in the Dark Ruins or destroying a robot in the Steamworks works, since people are saying this dialogue is for LV 1 or 2 neutral.
You also get the harsher neutral ending speech from Martlet (about her sensing an alarming aura in you and her death reaction being "I should've known"), because killing just Axis brings you to Level 6. Personally, I think there should be unique/less harsh neutral ending dialogue for this outcome given that Axis is a killer robot, but it is what it is.
She always keeps the syringe in any route that isn’t pacifist; though she always throws it aside, for varying reasons. Like said, with 0 EXP, she’s happy to finally get rid of it, knowing Clover is too good to use it on. In aborted genocide, she feels it’s better to let you to kill her, rather than her using the syringe. Genocide is the only time where she has literally no sympathy for you.
something is resonating in you something you never felt before your lv is growing lv 19 filled by the rage of being tricked and your best friend killed you show flowey the truth meaning of this world JUSTICE
No, you did not. I've been told from commenters here (and more than one, so I'm inclined to believe them even if I haven't yet confirmed it) that this dialogue is for LV1 and 2. There is another somewhat similar dialogue for being medium level (the cutoff point is either LV6 or 7). There she still says she lied and still acts betrayed when killed with the "Why would you..." line, but she also adds that "you weren't shy to defend yourself" or something similar to that. That's the one you would've got.
According to the comments section this triggers at LV1 or 2, so you can actually get some EXP and still get it. But yeah, I just destroyed two sets of robots on my way through the Steamworks to get this dialogue myself.
@@johay899 okay,diffrent idea:Flowey gets curious about what will happen if he lets Clover stay with Martlet,eventually undertale happens and everybody lives ever after (assuming you dont reset)
@@krzystajer5485 better ending confirmed but the time gap is probably like something to 3 to 9 years if not longer or shorter so it’s really all betting on the flower not getting bored in that time
@@krzystajer5485 still think it could work if he was preoccupied with something else which meant he didn’t become bored and didn’t reset back before clover came
Martlet makes no sense. Why did she thought that Clover killed her if they didn't even draw a gun? Also, it seems that Flowey didn't save for Clover before they fall in the ruins. This is another bad design, i think
I do not even understand how could I get neutral ending with no kills during the journey. I didnt get exp, I just fighted monsters untill their low hp and spared them. Thats so stupid
Why don't you go boot up the game and find out? :) That, or just look up the pacifist playthrough online. Point is, I don't want to spoil people scrolling through the comments. Hope you understand!
@@lefthandedscout9923 I'll find out soon enough. I'm on pacifist right now but I was already on the roof and now I'm at the next fight. I already got spoiled with flowey killing marlet and I was surprised that it didn't happen
