Undone is even WORSE than you think... | Dead by Daylight 

*Why is Undone a bad perk?* I think it comes down to 3 main reasons: 1 - The first and most obvious issue is that this perk does literally nothing if Survivors don't miss skillchecks before the endgame. Against most Killers that aren't Doctor, skillchecks are typically fairly easy to avoid for decent Survivors. Even if you do play against newer Survivors that miss skillchecks frequently, there's MANY perks that are way more punishing towards them than Undone. 2 - In terms of effect, Undone doesn't even come close to other regression and stalling perks that have far stronger effects (like Pop) or trigger more consistently (such as Deadlock). It doesn't matter how good the rest of your build is or how many times Survivors do miss skillchecks, it's almost guaranteed that you would be better off with a different 4th perk. 3 - The fact that Undone blocks the gen actually hurts its regression potential. For example, if you kick a gen with 9 stacks of Undone, you will inflict about ~8.1s worth of extra damage but also lose about ~2.25s because the blockage pauses the regression. This means that unless Survivors are trying to jump back into the gen immediately, the blockage serves basically no purpose other than to make the perk worse.

When i saw that the max value you could get was EQUAL to a Pop goes the Weasel while needing a 10000x more work to get i knew this was a horrible perk

This perk synergises greatly with the current meta of skillchecks only appearing the moment you decide to let go of a gen

The Perks were rather underwhelming, but I do enjoy the one that transfers your terror radius to the generator. It catches people offguard sometimes.

I still love how the perk art makes the Unknown look like a proud toddler showing his parents a toy he broke.

I have played 15 games as Doctor with Undone, Huntress Lullaby, Undying and Merciless, and I can count on one hand how many times I’ve gotten more than 20 tokens, and only once did I get 30, and neither of those times did the perk feel substantial. (1300 hours, not a doctor player)

I guess you could say the perk has come Undone

For the editor of this video. I have respect for what your doing, it’s really not as easy as some people make out but those constant zoom in edits gave me whiplash.

I think we might be getting to a point where it’s getting increasingly more difficult to create new good perks without either just making them better than old ones (power creeping them out of the meta) or creating a new category (such as hex, boon, scourge hook)

This perk seems like the kind to get buffed later on and become the most meta shit ever for some time

Otz, did your editor got swapped? Video feels wierdly different in terms of editing desicions

I don't really like how often in this video things get zoomed in on.

The perks only really effective when players turn their heads from the screen for 0.5 seconds and the skill check pops up.

Undone players working their arses off for 30% regression by forcing 10 missed skillchecks Vs. Pop players getting the same effect for one hook.

How do the devs not know? I have 600 hours on DBD and I knew as soon as I read the description that it's a completely useless perk lmao.

The worst part is that this is a "Win More" perk in the worst sense of the phrase Where it only gets strong in scenarios where you don't need it. If your Survivors are missing that many skill checks, you probably don't need any regression to begin with. They're already doing all the regression themselves.

I noticed the change in editing style and while it is a bit more "in" and more towards the funny parts, i think it needs to be scaled down a slight bit. Some moments felt refreshing but after the third or fourth it felt worn out and more annoying. Otherwise, great video and lets hope next chapter is better :D

"Sometimes people send themselves to this map because there is a difficult achievement." I FINALLY got that achievement last week, just in time to get 100% before Unknown released. I was so happy. That achievement sucks so much.

Undone is just proof that op perks are another reason to nerf the pig.

It works as well when they miss skill checks for healing up. Another gimmic build I like to run that rivals Doctors impossible skill check build is Wesker. Distressing, Hex: Lullaby, Unnerving Presence and Clown Phobia (w/e it's called) with the Green add-on that inflicts mangled. It's a lot of missed skill checks. Could maybe switch out Distressing for Undone. Haven't tested it yet, but could have potential to be good.

Great educational video. But the camera shifting is a bit disorientating.

We are approaching an event horizon where there are so many perks covering the same niches and isn’t a reason to use the outdated or suboptimal ones anymore. A good example of this is whispers and ultimate predator. UP will pretty much ALWAYS outclass whispers that we will wonder why whispers still exists. I wish there were more wacky builds/perks and synergies with killer powers but we always end up seeing the same 10 perks from both sides over and over it feels like. But perks like undone are both suboptimal, and not really that fun.

Me personally, I've created a blight build that on average get's way more skill checks missed then doctor. It combines a constant onslaught of silent skillchecks, and it works very well!

Behavior recently came out and said that when they design perks they tend to follow these guidelines: one that’s good for beginners, one that’s good for advanced players, and one silly one for meme builds. I think this was the beginner one. If I just bought this killer after just downloading the game, then yeah. I’d be good. Past the first few weeks of playing though? Not really.

I’ve actually used undone with some success, here are my perk combos. 1. Undying, lullaby, overcharge. 2. Distressing, unnerving, coulrophobia. 3. Overcharged, oppression, surge/ultimate weapon So other things to add are killer add-ons. Recommend using add-on that inflicts sloppy B effects, oblivious, or terror radius transfer. Skull merchant actually has a few of these plus a lullaby claw trap.

Het Otz, was watching your darkest dungeon playthrough and was thinking about how amazing your content has gotten. Loved watching your dd stuff and you've just gotten better, much love :)

Cool video! Definitely seems like the perk is lacking some zest. If I may, little bit weird editing with all the half-zooming in going on. I like the actual contextual edits like zooming on your reaction or at the perks, just not so much the random semi-zoom. Love as always

This feels like a pirated movie on youtube with all the zoom ins.

I think a good rework would be for the stacks to be permanent but obviously have the regression penalty be signficantly smaller, like an additional .3% per 3 stacks. That way by 30 stacks you get a permanent 3% regression bonus to kicking gens. This would be decently strong but not overpowered, keeping in mind that getting to 30 stacks in the first place is difficult as it is, plus you only get 8 kicks per gen now, so I don't think it would be busted.

Really loved the editing style of the beginning of this video. I like the experimenting!

I have an idea on how to fix this perk without feeling overpowered: ================== Whenever in chase with a survivor, Undone gains a token for every 10/9/8 seconds in chase, up to a maximum of 20 Tokens. Performing the Damage Generator Action on a generator consumes all accumulated Tokens and applies the following effects: Instantly regresses the damaged Generator by -1 % per Token of its total Progression. Blocks the damaged Generator for 1 second per Token. Causes the damaged Generator to start regressing once it becomes unblocked. Undone has a cool-down of 60 seconds. ================== Personally, I believe this would make it more viable as the longer it takes to down a survivor, the more value you will get out of it. If you run good add-ons or have a high-tier killer to down survivors fast, this perk won't feel oppressive as you are already putting a lot of pressure upon the survivors. In other words, this perk will help lower-skilled or M1 killers more than killers like Wesker or Nurse

So, on paper, really nice, as it does 1% of total progress, not current progress. Some notes to make: 1. Overcharge would be at full power the moment the generator is unblocked, assuming you have 30 stacks of Undone. 2. Oppression works amazingly in tandem with this perk. As you kick a gen, and basically gain another stack that you wont lose for another 60 seconds. And since healing skillchecks also count: Coulrophobia is amazing.

Me running undone on killer & autodidact/fast track on survivor (I enjoy “token” perks a lot more than I probably should)

Nea on RPD played impressively well, felt nice to watch your chases with her! About editing, I think its cool when editor tries something new. It does feel weird, distracts off of the match a bit, but still interesting to see something new.

I did similar test with doctor when this perk came out and I found ONE reason this perk would be better than ANYTHING else. And that is the fact that it blocks it for a short time. I found some situations where otherwise a survivor would tap the gen (now 5 sec) and would stop the regression, with this perk the survivors would leave because of the time they have to wait for it to unblock. And even then it only happened once or twice…. We appreciate your dedication to showing off all the new and cool things this game has to offer

Yeah, the perk is bad

Unforeseen is probably his best perk

That was a horrifying face to start the video with, I’m glad he used the Unknown’s face to disarm you after that. Very effective jumpscare.

I don't think anyone has mentioned this. But I'm loving the new editing style in this video.

Hey Otz did you get a new editor for this video?

Im sorry but I cant go over it, why does the video randomly zoom into places? its a bit disorienting

While learning doctor use Zanshin tactics until you get good at window and pallet knowledge it's really helpful seeing the loops through walls for doctor so learning them like Otz has is key to making doctor great at chase ⚡

Otz you should try out the double terror radius build with dark devotion and unforeseen with either a anti healing build or gen regression like this doctor one

Editing does not feel like Otz' style.

What's up with the constant zooming in?

Nice build. I basically use the same one (without undone) on my doctor. It seriously fun on doc, tho I experiment a bit with the 4th perk,

Hey Otz, I know you said you were dissapointed by the killer perks, but I am having a lot of fun with unforseen. I know people will say "just use trail of torment" but the terror radius transfer on the gen absoloutley confuses survivors, and it is fun to see. It also potentially makes them scared to work on the applied gen, even if it's for a few seconds. It works well on unknown too, as you can tp across the map and have no terror radius. Hope you have been giving it a try!

Great vid as always, not a fan of the new editing style tho

Well.....a kill is a kill.

A perk where the killer who uses it can chose 3 spots on the screen to have skill checks appear would be pretty cool. Maybe you select a 3 skill check pattern that repeats would work. And it’d be fun because you can decide where the appear

I tested it on baby survivors with the best skill check build as an experienced killer. This perk does not contribute, instead it will discourage me to kick generators where I should have. The total stack I have on baby survivors throughout a whole game (where i left them alone and they constantly miss skill check) is around 50~60.

I gotta say I absolutely hate the weird zoom in on the face and silly echo effect that all editors are doing to youtube.

Oh!? Different editing, very interesting! And ofcourse good job on the vid, very insightful

Holy Zoom in Batman! Did editor discover the zoom in tool and now it HAS to be in every 10 seconds ? :D

Video quality looks amazing. Loving the 1440p60 option

Maybe allow the perk to regress blocked gens, so it synergises with other block perks. Like ruin for blocked gens but it’s not a hex obviously

editing this video is really awkward, way too many random zoom ins

Do bots fail skillchecks?

Blight with the Soul Chemical add-on works well, too. Try it sometime.

I brought an RPD map offering on accident when I swapped characters. My friend said it was alright she still needs to get the achievement. That's why I had it on in the first place so it worked out. It's the only offering I use to take me somewhere. Such an annoying achievement to get.

The constant zooms in this video are pretty disorienting and jarring.

The new editing style is pretty nice. Feels different and fresh.

7:03 That Mikaela was straight gumping it

I've been using the same Doctor build over the past few days, even the same add-ons! I even originally used Merciless Storm, but good survs can weather MS. I switched itout for Oppression so almost every kick will get you Undone stacks (just be sure to sue it when it's off cooldown). I've been dominating as someone with 2.3k hours, but IDK if I go against the survs Otz does.

Otz did you change your editor. The editing on this video was awful. A zoom every 5 secs, or zoom in to your face. It breaks the immersion for me.

can I just say that these new cuts and zooms are really bad? The video was nauseating, you should keep those in check next time

I saw a comment with an idea for a buff for undone to have it gain 3 stacks for hitting a survivor and 5 if they miss a skillcheck, i think that could make it more usable on other killers

Wow You are really a man of calm and even temper.

I don't know if you got a new editor or if they're just trying something new, but this editing style was really difficult for me. I don't want to be rude to the editor or anything, but I was legitimately having a difficult time watching. I'm not trying to be dramatic but I honestly don't think I could watch your videos anymore if this was the new norm, it was really disorienting to watch.

please stop this zooming into the facecam or other parts of the screen thing. its almost never warranted and incredibly jarring. use it sparringly

I haven't played that many games with Doctor and Undone but I went with Undone, Distressing, Unnerving Presence and Coulrophobia. Huntress Lullaby gives harder penalties for missing skill checks but it doesn't make them THAT harder to hit once you know the hex is in play. However, making them harder to hit is what you need to squeeze the tokens out of Undone. Coulrophobia and Unnerving only apply in your terror radius, so you need to expand it as much as possible. Therefore you get Distressing + purple and yellow "Calm" addons give you a huge TR. Unnerving presence makes skill checks appear more often and the hit zones are smaller. Caulrophobia makes the skill check move faster while healing. I usually get more stacks from failed healing checks than repair checks. Waiting for maximum stacks is just wasting time. 9 or 12 stacks to kick a gen is enough, anything above is a nice bonus. There is also the gen blocking. Players sometimes manage to hide around the gen and once the killer leaves, they start repairing immediately again. If it gets blocked (and they don't know for how long) they often leave, which enables the gen to regress more before someone comes back to it. Although, reading Otz's last point, this can be very situational. However, it is true that people can get way more regression and more consistently from Pop goes the weasel. Maybe they could buff the effect to give 2% regression and 2 seconds blocking time per stack. That way it could potentially outperform Pop but with the added downside of needing way more perks to make it strong. Plus, it would still be probably only worth it on the Doctor, so it would still remain far away from a "good perk".

hey otz, you should do a video about Red Herring, i main this perk and in my opinion it is the hardest perk to get value of, but is so funny when killer fell for. love your content otz

This video is very badly edited the random zoom ins every 5 seconds is super distracting

What a nice new way to edit a video, its engaging

I love the new editing style

i love the edit!!! also a great game, ggs Otz!

I think this perk would benefit more as a perk that with each token will increase the amount of regression for missed skill checks by X percent, maybe only resetting once a survivor is killed or something akin to Ruin. That way you can more value out of the missed skill checks as a passive form of regression to be used alongside standard regressing perks like Pop.

That green and pink plaid pattern pog shirt is one of my favorite otz drips

I think the singular use case for this is combining it with Pop to get post-hook gen ahnialations. Specifically with the doctor.

Wesker can make good use of it with Coulrophobia, Distressing and Unnerving Presence, especially on a smaller map. Spread out the injuries

I kind of wish it was a different trigger, maybe like how fast track gains stacks when the killer progresses their goal (getting hooks). What if it was based on good skill checks? It would trigger more often then at least. And if that is too oppressive then make it so there is a cooldown before you can gain more stacks like how play with your food is. I feel in this scenario undone can still be good against new survivors while not being too powerful like pop, just giving it some more consistency.

Thanks otz my boss is late and I needed something to watch

Yes, I did the same Doc test but with a different build. I got max stacks twice in the same game along with using it with less stacks but it didn't really do much. The problem is that with any other killer it's lame at best but even with the strongest build around it it still sucks.

Hey Otz, I love your content and streams! Ages ago you made a build around Thrill of the Hunt and Devour Hope, and I think you ought to revisit a variation of it with new perks that came out! Ultimate Weapon, Hex: Undying, Hex: Thrill of The Hunt, Hex: Ruin. I have yet to get to a match where people have broken my ruin totem and it's pretty oppressive to deal against as The Doctor!

Idk who this editor or what this editing style is but man that's exhausting to watch all the cuts and zooms

Otz can you make a video about all the bad perks? Like the unviable ones?

Otz what do you think if they changed it to every time the successfully did a good skill check you got a point? And then upped it to 1.5 more damage or 2 more damage per stack??

This is the longest time ive seen a totem survive the survivors 💀

im thinking maybe this perk can gain 1 token on good skillchecks? But that will give this perk additional info that might be a bit too strong, and Merciless would be kinda staple for building stacks for this perk; I also thought of a mechanic similar to Grim Embrace, blocking the gen only after you are a set distance away from it.

I had an idea for a small rework for Undone, which could be a bit overtuned or not, but here it is anyways. Whenever dealing a damage state to a survivor gain 1 token to a maximum of 6/8/10 tokens. Performing the Damage Generator action consumes all accumulated tokens and applies these effects: Instantly regresses the damaged Generator by 3% for each token (Max of 30%) Blocks the damaged generator for 3 seconds per token. It’s the same as current except less tokens, and you gain them by actively doing something you have to do anyways. Making the gameplay feel more rewarding. This can encourage a hit and run play style but with the change of generators only being able to take 8 damages before you can’t damage it anymore I think the hit and run wouldn’t be effective after you damage the gens so much and then can’t anymore.

Kinda unrelated, but can I just say that it is so damn cool seing the mascot of your favorite band on the thumbnail of an Otz DBD vid?

HONESTLY, the best use for Undone is the time it locks the gen from stopping its regression. like 24 seconds of unstoppable regression is actually solid, pair it with Sadako's perk that makes regression go at 125% faster and it does add up more than the regular regression from undone. You could also pair undone with Pop to build up the damage more

I enjoyed the slight change in editing this episode. Felt more engaging.

I'm curious on how you think this could tie into a different set up; Unnerving Presence, Overcharge, Undone, Coulrophobia. I would assume it could build stacks off the heal checks missed, and those other 3 already stack together phenomenally well....Put it on someone capable of quickly moving or having a massive TR/forcing their own SC (Wesker, Oni, Doctor to name a few) and it could be brutal me thinks.

Doctors regular skill checks go backwards and upside down I miss those so many times. I think Doctor could run undone passively and still get more missed skill checks than most killers. Merciless storm is good maybe keep that. But the other 2 perks could've been pain res and you could increase the impact of undone with pop because the effects should stack.

It gets stacks on missed healing skillchecks too right? I'm a little curious about it as a regression perk on an anti-healing build with caulrophobia.

Hey otz, have you checked. Out the lightborn buff and the shadowborn rework? They are kinda usefull against flashlights

I paired it well with destressing caulrophobia and huntress lullaby. Sometimes sloppy.

i like the kind of new editing style. cool video DBD sir

About the editing, I liked that the video didn't have music in the background, but the zoom ins and outs were really bothering.