Unfinished Land Cycles in Commander Decks?? A Mana Chat! | Magic: The Gathering Thunder Junction MTG 

Yes, please keep finishing dual land cycles. Honestly, cool new land cards in Commander Precons would make the difference in me picking up certain decks.

One thing we need is all battlebond/ commander legends dual lands in all precons that can use them

Its always SUPER frustrating when i'm making a new deck and see bicycle lands (And previously filter lands) from other colors and just... not being able to find them for my colors. Im super happy this problem is getting solved!

Yes, I'm all for finishing cycles (tango and bicycle please), creating new with multiplayer in mind, and completing those cycles quickly). Maybe something like the thriving lands that enter untapped but an opponent chooses the second color from your commander's color identity?

Please try and finish old cycles before creating new ones. I love the tango lands and would love to see that cycle finished.

Personally I love to see the tango lands (battle for zendikar duals) to be completed as they are very good for budget mana bases and work very nicely with cards that fetch a land type. This same logic can be used for the bicycle lands too. I feel these lands are not strong enough for standard so they may have a shot.

My guess is the reasoning for "why no Battlebond lands?" will be about leaving obvious paths for upgrades, but I'd be curious to see that video regardless.

I want to see Grove of the Burnwillows finally get all 9 of its friends!

Anything to make precon manabases smoother is a win in my book. There's nothing more frustrating than having a bunch of exciting spells in your hand but not being able to cast them.

I've waited so long for the enemy bicycles...

I cannot tell you just how happy it made me to see the original Odyssey Otaria filter lands cycle completed this year! As a kid playing kitchen table around this time, these were just about the only “dual” lands I could afford for my 5 color deck, and so I have tremendous nostalgia for them. Please keep doing this for more incomplete cycles! Enemy color slow fetches to complete the Mirage cycle (at uncommon) would be amazing!

"One thing you may not have noticed" Oh believe me Gavin I noticed IMMEDIATELY when you completed my favourite land cycle of all time. When I saw them in Thunder Junction to uncurl the monkey's paw the Fallout decks left me with a feel of I flat out screamed with joy. Unironically. I'm gonna collect a copy of each of these for ALL my commander decks. Please do more of this. Like a lot a lot more.

More dual lands being circulated is always a good thing!

Lair land cycle would be the one I'd like to see finished. Bounce lands have more utility now with Landfall, Channel lands, Cycling lands, MDFC lands, and other lands with enters triggers.

I’d love to see a land cycle similar pain lands, where they tap for a colorless, or they tap for one of two colors if you control a legendary creature. They can be themed around hide outs, and have names like “Haven of Inspiration” as a Red Blue land for example

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMPLETING THE SIGNET LANDS I AM SO HAPPY TO SEE THIS!!!!! ok sorry for losing control, you just made the Mardu fan in me so happy when I started to play Magic starting with Tariel a good FIVE years ago without enemy talismens and budget was too tight for even check lands I was soooo floored for the lack of colour fixing in Mardu, a doubly enemy pair without any help from Green to ramp out my lands and boy was that a slog... @~@ but yes thank you very much for giving some love to us enemy pair lovers~

I think Dragonskull Summit shouldn't be considered an issue. Yes, in the original printing it's an actual physical dragon skull, but we have tons of landmarks IRL named after mythical creatures that thing happens to resemble. It's totally reasonable to have a mountain with a summit that just kinda looks like a dragon's head (or maybe even doesn't, maybe it's just a volcano with a smoke plume) and say in-universe that it reminds them of the myths of dragons.

Lands have been my biggest pet peeve with Magic, please do more of these! It is a big step in the right direction, and I would love to hear about the why nots for battle lands.

Finishing old land cycles sounds great. It's nice to have that kind of symmetry when you're putting a land base together, and finished cycles help reduce the mental load of figuring out what lands to run. And new Commander Duals sounds like a fun design space to explore!

As a Three Card Blind player, I'd love to see the tricolor sac lands from Invasion (Sulfur Vent for example) get completed. All five colors with all other two color combos represented. We currently have 5 out of the possible 30 so there's a lot of room for more of them.

I'm really hoping to see the Battle/ Tango lands cycle completed soon as well! Getting the Signet lands completed was awesome.

It’s about time! Big supporter of this!

This is great it helps alleviate the main problem with commander precons. For dual land cycles I would say that maybe you could make cycles out of grove of the burnwillows and nimbus maze because I don’t think anyone is planning on making cycles of those cards anytime soon and they would be a good way to get more untapped duals in to precons.

Really like the idea of completing cycles that have been abandoned or sitting on the proverbial tree waiting to flower. You get a good call back to magic history, and can show what current magic has to offer an old dog, as it were

I lkve that the Odyssey cycle was finished. I would really love to see the Tango and bicycle cycles completed.

This is fantastic and I was really excited as soon as I saw it in previews. Please do more of this. Finish all the cycles, make new duals, make them in precons and in packs. Make them available for commander players. Here's a design you've definitely already thought of and should absolutely do. Cycle of all 10 color combos with each basic land type pairing. Rules text is "[[CARDNAME]] enters the battlefield tapped unless you own a Commander in the Command Zone or on the battlefield." Boom. Perfect.

I was really glad to get those filter lands as in-universe versions

I'm so grateful to see the land cycle finished and then immediately followed up with universe within printing (along with some other very neat universes within printings this deck). I'd love to see more land cycles completed (I think other commenters have me covered on begging for the tango lands), and it would be interesting to consider what new dual lands in precons could look like! I also hope the pattern of reprinting universes beyond cards as within versions in precons continues- I think it's a good place to do that (even though I don't particularly mind UB, cards with magic specific art are my favorite)

I was actually pretty happy to see filter lands finished - I considered them useless for years but Powerstones gave them new life. Don't think you guys need to finish the Caldera Lake cycle of lands. I don't know about nine more Murmuring Bosks either, though I would play those. Lands with basic land types are the best not just for fetchability but also for searching functions for me on Magic Online. I do wish the second set of Triome lands had the word Triome in the name also for this reason.

I thought it was odd when I found Sunscorched Divide yesterday but had never heard of it before!

Thanks for these behind the scenes videos. Love hearing what goes into the design and decisions behind this card game. Especially interesting to hear how past design decisions effect things 30 odd years later.

Mana bases are very often the most overlooked part of a deck, it’s sometimes hard to see the “flavor” in the lands when you are more focused on the core of the deck. It’s really cool to hear that this is something that your team considers when designing. I had never really considered it. To that end, I think this opens up a really cool design space. Being able to design commander centric lands that will (hopefully…looking at you vintage) affect other formats is exciting. Lands that care about commander or archetypes are really interesting. I have always been a fan of the RWB knight land from Eldraine and can image many more similar lands being well received. I would be happy to see ANY new lands explored in commander. And yes, battle bind land would be great as well.

I love these. I always thought it would be cool to have a full 20 card cycle of lands equivalent to the Tainted land cycle. Seems like the sort of thing that could be accomplished over the course of a few commander sets, and I’d love to see the flavor of each color taking over the landscapes of the others.

Dear Gavin, my wishlist is a card called "Royal Mox", only works if your the monarch. Monarch is one of the best commander format mechanics and a card like that would incentivize more people to play it and have it come out early! Monarch makes the whole game more active, and super helps break the tension early game when nobody wants to make an enemy.

Thanks Gavin for addressing the Battlebond Lands, fingers crossed that we'll start seeing them in future precons!...

The completionest wants to see old cycles complete but would also love to see what you all can come up with. Lands are the foundation of most decks and having lands be cheap and available for everyone is good for everyone

I loved what you did with the Godzilla cards. Flavour, art, and specifically the way you did the alternate art naming!

The problem with the lands that comes in the precons is that I basically remove 80% of them and always relay on the efficient ones: shocklands, horizonlands, fetchlands, battlebonds and (less used) checklands. Only in 2-color decks I think on add other lands. I also want to be honest with myself and recognize that the quality of the lands added in the commander precons improved a lot since the first days. But still, It will be great that new people who just joined the hobbie yesterday can have cool optimal lands like the ones I mentioned before, so those wouldn't be so financially restrictive like it is now. For WotC, printing a fetch or a bounce is kind of the same, so you don't get profit from ones over others. That's why I don't understand this kind of policies. Wouldn't it be great to have all the cards easily accessible for everyone who wants to play? Commander was conceived to be a casual format, where you build your deck with the crap in your shoe box. I remember those times (Grandpa Simpson's mode). Now, the mana base for a new deck is sooooo financially restrictive... if you want to do it decent (not even good). And if I'm lying, please, check the mana base for the decks from every content creator. I feel like a worm every time Olivia, the Prof, Crim or any of the other content creators play a dual land.

Hi, Gavin. I first started playing Magic when Odyssey originally launched. I adore the Odyssey filter lands. It was so fulfilling to see the land cycle be completed! Please keep completing dual land cycles. I would love to see these new enemy filter lands with art back in Dominaria and in old border. Keep doing awesome things!

I would love to see more things like this. What I really love to see is actual searchable dual lands made for Commander. Something like? CARDNAME Land -Plains Swamp CARDNAME enters the battlefield tapped unless you have a commander in your command zone or on the battlefield. Something like that is just something I've had on my mind for quite some time.

I do like when one of lands stay one ofs. I think the tainted lands only really fit black or maybe green, and I think Krosan Verge is really only a Selesnya card.

One of the things that stood out to me with the most recent outlaws precons were the improved mana base. It’s nothing competitive or high level, but it’s a MUCH better starting point than what previous precons have had. Your explanation for why certain lands could or couldn’t be in certain sets makes things much clearer from a thematic sense

I'd love to see how you all tackle the completion of older Land Cycles and new Commander focused Lands! I'm also on the side of the Battlebond Lands being in every deck that can support them but I would also love to see a video on why some cards don't always make the cut! Deck building is really fun and I like learning about how you and the rest of the Commander Design Team create each of the decks!

I saw a video mentioning that some card in a outlaws commander deck was a reprint originally from a doctor who commander deck, and that it’s the first reprint form a universes beyond set. We need more appreciation for the work y’all are doing behind the scenes with this stuff!

YES PLEASE!! Especially for budget builders! Bi-Cycle Lands, Tango Lands, Horizon Lands... and my personal favorite... the slow fetch lands from Mirage. This would be amazing! Thank you, Gavin, for talking about this!

One cool idea for a new cycle could be lands that enter untapped if you don’t control your commander. Either that or you could flip it around to make them enter untapped if you control your commander. Either would be interesting design choices. You could also make lands that only tap for another color if you control your commander. For example, what if you had a land that could tap for blue untapped, but it could also tap for red only if you control your commander. There is a-lot of potential with commander only duel land design.

The Godzilla treatment to Universes Beyond holds a special place to me. It allowed the wotc team to be truly faithful to the Monsterverse art-wise while also allowing an mtg card name. Two seperate arts/names for a card can be a little confusing, but it lets those who aren't a fan of the property an mtg version. It allowed for more printings of the card, and gave fans of the UB property something to collect. Hope they do it again, sometime!

I kinda like the idea of finishing some cycles of lands, but also like new types of lands, for example, the cycle of lair land is unfinished, maybe in addition of printed the 5 rest you could also create new lair lands and dedicate a plane to them, just like caves in ixalan or deserts in amonkhet and thunder junction

I'd love to see the "tango", "bicycle", and Nimbus Maze designs make it into all 10 color combinations at some point.

im sure theres dozens of comments on these already. but i would love for the tango lands to be completed. i think them being a fetchable potentially untapped land would help balance out some of the short comings the enemy pairs soemtimes run into.

LOVE the enemy signet lands, and already have different art to choose from for each of them. I've also been loving the new Arid Archway alongside Sand Scout, which waiting until turn three gives white a Kodama's Reach for only 2 mana. With the tango lands, Future Sight lands, and more... I'm excited to see these sneaking into decks and really helping to smooth out games. Huge thanks to you and the team, you rock!

This was an incredible innovation! When I saw the names of those Fallout lands - and how vague in setting they were - I knew we'd be seeing them again. I'll be picking up several for my decks! They're great budget dual lands I'll echo others though, and say that those Battlebond lands desperately need to be reprinted into the ground.

Yes, I’d love for more dual land cycles to be completed! Also having dual-lands exclusive to commander would be nice to reduce demand for dual lands needed in Pioneer, Modern, etc

I've been waiting for the enemy Odyssey Filters for SO LONG and I'm so glad it finally got finished. As someone who likes to build color-heavy commander decks on a budget, the manabase has always been the toughest for enemy-heavy color combos. Another thing I'd like to give kudos to is the addition of more Recross the Paths effects, non-shuffle land ramp. Sometimes it feels like you spend half the game shuffling your deck, especially in the early turns where it's most difficult. Some of my friends have difficulty shuffling due to disability, so I would love to see more. (Also I'd love to see the Rivers semi?cycle completed)

I was so excited to see the Odyssey filters finished in the Fallout decks. I had wanted to see that cycle finished for years. It was easily at the top of my list. Id say next I'd want to see the Battle land cycle from Battle for Zendikar finished the most.

Absolutely loved this! using those filters was obviously the safe option since they're the least likely to be made in standard, and on the list of cycles players wanted finished, they were one of the lowest (Seeing as how they have been eclipsed by so many others - including the Lorwyn/Shadowmoor filters). One of the most annoying aspects of making enemy (specifically dual coloured) decks that I constantly have to deal with is the lack of enemy lands and have been CRAVING the Battle duals and the cyclers for sooo long. It's really a matter of need at this point. Other land cycles I think are safe to finish in commander decks would be the etb tapped fetch lands from Mirage, the Time Spiral storage lands (esp if there's a deck that proliferates. I mean, we have the colourless one, but not the enemy?!) and probably even the 'show' lands from Shadows over Innistrad. As for the Battlebond lands, it's become a meme at this point. Let's be honest, the ONLY place that it makes sense to PUT THESE is in commander decks! It's seems like a ridiculous omission at this point. They really should be reprinted into the dirt in commander decks. And this would definitely be the place to finish that cycle as well. In all honestly, the 'enters tapped unless you have two or more opponents' seems like the perfect tool for more land cycles in the future to make sure they stay out of the competitive formats you don't want them in. (reprint of the ABUR duals with this tagline perhaps?) In all honesty, it would fix the issue of people not getting access to the OG lands (and therefore complaining about the RL) without breaking the RL. In sum, great idea! Love this idea and look forward to seeing this more in the future!

Nice lampshading on the battle bond lands there :P

Finishing land cycles AND mana rock cycles is something I am 100% behind. I’d love new land cards or cycles as well. The enemy pairing new capena sac lands, allied colored strixhaven campus lands, enemy colored bi-cycle lands, enemy colored tango lands, the 4 missing horizon lands, a colorless medallion (maybe), shard crystals (Ikoria rock cycle), enemy monuments (dtk cycle), shard banners (ktk cycle), wedge obelisks (shards cycle), enemy border posts (alara reborn cycle), and enemy cameos (invasion cycle) would all be cool to see get printed at some point. Additionally, some of the cards already in print could use some reprints if only just to make people aware of them. Thanks for all you do.

YES, PLEASE MORE! More "good" dual lands is just waht we need. Most commander preocons have mana problems. Thunder Junktion decks are so refreshing and perfect. Your work is outstanding. Keep finishing everything you can and we all will love you guys forever.

I’m glad yall did this and you should do this with more cycles. But, hand over the battlebonds.

I'd love to see dual tap lands that come untapped if they are exactly your commander's colors, so it gives dual color commanders a little bit of an edge compared to commanders with more options based on their colors

there's a severe lack of enemy dual lands with land types. it would be awesome to see those cycles finished so it is easier to make budget effective mana bases for those decks!

As someone new to magic and commander specifically I got very confused going into building an izzet deck when there were blue black lands that existed but there weren't comparable blue red lands. When I saw the completed set in fallout I got incredibly excited and I really hope this is something y'all are able to keep doing in the future

absolutely, I was extremely happy to see this cycle finished and I don't like how I often feel pigeonholed into subpar land choices in my UB commander decks that I try to keep flavorful to the original IP. Thanks Gavin!

I absolutely love this. Finish all the unfinished cycles, and then create new ones, or a new one can be simply created if the Commander product demands it. HOWEVER, if you're going to do an new cycle, spread it out over the Commander decks of that year's Standard sets.

I enjoy that the effort is being made for finishing cycles. I support this in any way possible, and look forward to the new stuff. Please add one of the "Battlebond" multiplayer land into each deck. It doesn't even need all of the ones that fit the colors, just one will help so much.

When you finish old cycles it really feels like magic's past is being acknowledged and appreciated. Love it! ❤

This is awesome Gavin! All the above would be great! Keep on innovating and pushing magic. Would love these lands to finally be finished and printed so we can all enjoy them in our decks.

It's extremely cool to do this honestly, as someone who came back to magic after an ~20 year hiatus because my girlfriend really loves it precons are very helpful for just backfilling basics I've missed over the years and part of that is mana bases (fun fact since you showed it I've got an ice age adarkar wastes next to me as I type pulled out an upcoming thunder junction Eriette build).

I definitely noticed that you finished the cycle of signet lands and was so excited! Please finish the "tango" lands that are typed and enter untapped with 2+ basics and the enemy amonkhet bicycling lands!

Definitely keep making new dual lands for commander! Having more options makes it easier to build mana bases on a budget, since prices on these won't spike because of formats like standard or modern. Of course, if you ALSO reprinted the battlebond/commander legends dual lands more often, that'd be cool too :) I'd love to see that "video for another time" on the topic!

As a cube player & designer i love this. While I'm not using the recently completed odyssey filter lands for my cube, I definitely feel the missing pieces as well because I want my cube(s) to have a variety of lands, some of which might be domain enablers, or help with heavy color pip requirements, etc, but I dont want the answer to always be "fetches and shocks and true duals and go from there" My current cube very much wishes the tango land cycle from BFZ was finished, for example. Basics are plentiful in a typical draft deck but if you go too deep on multicolor fixing then you start feeling the downside on those more! And they enable domain/land type matters cards! I am sure you already have in consideration that introducing brand new land cycles into commander precons is a trickier prospect but I believe the response there would be similarly positive. Lands are so fundamental to magic and having good lands is "invisibly positive" to people's feelings about their games. Being able to cast your spells, it turns out, is a lot more fun than not being able to!

There were so many fascinating land designs in Future Sight we've yet to come back to - River of Tears, Nimbus Maze, even Dryad Arbor! I'd love to see all of these made into full cycles.

Yes, yes, and yes please!! More lands! Finish the Cycles!! I'm most excited for the finished enemy set of bicycle lands (Dual-colored cycling lands originally from Amonkhet and the Battle Lands. Thank you so much Gavin!

Finish up as many loose ends as possible, make whatever new lands necessary for the health of edh and keep the good vibes coming. How about a new cycle of enemy and ally lands. Example : Choice lands Frozen Coast Land Frozen Coast enters the battlefield tapped unless you control three or more lands. Tap: add W or U If Frozen Coast enters the battlefield tapped, you may chose to have Frozen Coast lose all other abilities and gain your choice of 1 or 2, then untap Frozen Coast. Choice 1 Tap: add W Choice 2 Tap: add U Muddy Hills Land Muddy Hills enters the battlefield tapped unless you control three or more lands. Tap: add W or B If Muddy Hills enters the battlefield tapped, you may chose to have Muddy Hills lose all other abilities and gain your choice of 1 or 2, then untap Muddy Hills. Choice 1 Tap: add W Choice 2 Tap: add B

I think that both finishing old and starting new cycles are absolutely something you should do! I especially like typed duals, it makes rounding out colors on a budget easier.

I love that some older cycles are being finished, and I also like the idea of seeing new lands like the type checking lands (Murmuring Bosk is especially cool, being a searchable tricolored painland for treefolk). New multicolored lands for commander would also be nice.

Slow Fetches should definitely be one of the next cycles to complete, next to the Bicycle Lands. With the Shock Lands, Triomes, Tapped Duals, Snow Tapped, and Surveil Lands, the "enters tapped" clause on them has become easier to endure at lower power levels thanks to the deck thinning factor. They're a decent enough branch for three-color decks, but since color fixing is less urgent in two color decks, that extra thinning and shuffle can be much more desirable to give that edge to drawing spells.

There are definitely some neat dual land variations that would be worth completing, especially if they get names able to use both within and beyond. One I personally quite enjoy and would like to see get a full cycle is the Nimbus Maze that was shown in this video as well.

I also like the idea of a “stock land list” for precons maybe. Sometimes when comparing decks, even from the same year, the mana fixing lands are drastically different, (and include cards that the internet will never stop complaining about). If there was an expectation that in a two-color deck the following list of lands (appropriate to the colors) would be present, that consistency could be really nice. It also could help us enfranchised players teach the newer players. I saw a new player search for a Forest the other day, and they were advised to “look for a non basic with that type”, but nobody knew if there was one in the precon. If we could depend on Cinder Glade always being there, the advice could be more efficient.

I am all for seeing more land cycles completed! I was not expecting to see the Odyssey filterlands finished and it was honestly the most exciting thing I got from the Fallout decks. I would love to see the Tango land cycle completed! It's been too long for that cycle to be around and not be finished yet! If Universes Beyond (and Commander Decks) can offer more opportunities to make this happen, you have my support!

Oh yeah! Get us those bicycles, tangos, and whatnot! And the idea of making new creature-type-reveal lands sounds great, could totally use a bunch, like maybe the cycle of Innistrad creature types in those colours, or things like Soldier, Insect, Knight, etc. Definitely a good move finishing up the old cycles, for the sake of completionists if nothing else haha

A land cycle I feel like could easily be made and put in all multi color commander decks and universes beyond are “commander lands”. Non fetchable dual color lands that enter untapped if you control a commander card.

An interesting design could be "catch-up lands", or lands that enter tapped unless an opponent has two or more lands than you do. This could benefit colors that don't have easy access to strong ramp to not fall behind too far behind the ones that do, and also gives a little boost to people who might've missed a land drop or two.

In creating my Theros-themed cube, i had a few problems with this myself. I ended up taking cards that are mechanically close to how I want my Theros Cube to feel and using the godzilla frame to mock them up. That is to say, i think the godzilla rename frame is excellent! Its very clean and it resolves much of the confusion with having functional printings of existing cards.

I love the direction the team is taking...makes it pretty exciting and cool. I was shocked to see the new dual lands that came in for Fallout. I thought it was a reprint at first and I used some of those lands for my other decks. Maybe a cool concept is having a dual land that can tap for either colour if the commander is in play. But if no commander in play, it can tap for a colourless mana. Could make it fetchable with basic types perhaps.

two cycles i think that would be cool to see are: - more of the 'reveal a creature' to allow them to enter untapped. Fortified Beachhead and Secluded Glen are two examples (that could potentially be in two different cycles, as the Glen is just a Dimir land, while the Beachhead has an extra ability) - Nimbus Maze. apparently lots of people don't like it, and i won't argue about it being powerful or not, but i would like to say that it is a relatively easy land to process in terms of playability (if i have an island, this can make the other colour i need. if i have a plains, i've got blue). it enters untapped and encourages playing with basic land types. these are mostly only good for 2-colour decks though so if y'all do make new land cycles, they'll probably be better at mana fixing than some of the previously unfinished cycles, especially for use in 3-5 colour decks also in addition to the battebond lands, i'd love to see triomes in commander decks. i know the battlebond are already super rare anyway, but the triomes would be great

As someone who as part of my commander deck building restrictions is all about only using full cycles of lands, I'm very much all for this! Because man I just love having access to more land cycles.

I think the old cycles is more important, and would like to specifically request the 2-color storage lands from time spiral, though I’m not sure they qualify ad untapped colored sourced for your goals?

Honestly, since wizards have forever locked themselves into a refusal to reprint the original dual lands, and there seems to be a reluctance to print the "premium" dual lands in commander products (fetch lands, shock lands), I love that commander products are printing quality budget lands. One of the best things about the doctor who set was the land bases. It was how I got into the game, and starting out with a solid foundation has proved invaluable in actually retaining me, and the fallout set expanding the options on cheap lands was another excellent boon. While I own a number of the battlebond lands, I wish they were more available. Also, surveil lands would be one of the better tapped land cycles for commander, though I'd imagine we'd need to be a bit more on from Karlov before we see reprints of them.

This is so good. I’ve been wanting the odyssey filter lands to be finished forever.

As someone who aims to construct my commander decks at a lower power level than most, I was pleased to see this cycle completed after so long. I refuse to play 'off-color' fetches in my commander decks so every playable dual land is a blessing for my mana bases. I hope to see other incomplete cycles get completed in the future, in commander or otherwise. The Bicycle lands in particular I would love to have.

This is going to be a HUGE win for OCD/symmetry obsessed players like me. Whenever im building a three color deck, if i have an effect in a dual colored land, i like to be able to have that effect in every color possible just a as a balancing and symetry thing. It always frustrates me when i'm building something like an esper deck, find a blue white land and a black blue land that i really like, but not being able to fine a balanced equivalent that is in white black. This even goes for cycles as simple as the campuses: i dont want a deck to have prismari campus and lorehold campus when i cant have a blue white campus to match. So more of this would be stellar! We love lands!

I think a lot of people are gonna love this and commander precons are such an accessable way to get these duals into people's hands. I personally would advocate for enemy color Mirage fetches or a group hug deck that makes a cycle around grove of the burn willows.

Yes please! i was so happy to see these odyssey filter lands completed. The two other cycles that instantly come to my mind, that need completion, are the slow fetches and tango lands. These would help so much with budget brews :3

Love the finishing of land cycles in commander decks, it just feels right and alleviates so much frustration in deckbuilding. I'd be cautiously interested in seeing first time land cycles in precons

As someone who has been playing since '98, I absolutely adore when you guys do stuff like this.

I was exited to see the ODY filter cycle FINALLY finished, and I *did* notice it was named in a way that would make it easily reprintable. There are some old cycles that I don't think many people are clamoring for, like the ICE depletion lands, but there are several old cycles that would be useful in budget Commander. I'm holding out hope that the MIR fetch cycle gets completed some day.

I'd be very excited to see the "if you control two or more basic lands" lands done like this as well :)))

FInishing cycles is a really good idea! I would love to see the tango lands finished, for example, and while it's not a cycle(yet) a krosan verge for each guild would be fantastic.