Unforgivable Greed & Lies... 

The comment section on Watcher's announcement was majestic. It turns out you either die an independent youtube channel or live long enough to see yourself become Buzzfeed again.

"Sorry for how we framed it" is just "sorry for how you interpreted it" with a false veneer of humility.

This gave off "CEO wants to give themselves a raise" energy to me

6 dollars to watch 30 minutes youtube videos or 7 dollars to get unlimited crunchy roll premium… the answer seems clear to me!

So glad you agree with not forgiving them. Yes, they're apology seemed pretty good and genuine; HOWEVER, they have already proven that they will put profit above consideration for their fans. Even if they end up correcting future mistakes, it's clear that they're primary focus ia greed and the only reason they walked back on this was bc it affected their bottom line. They aren't sad that they upset their fans, they're sad that they almost lost a bunch of money

The corpo mindset of "infinite business growth." Really fucks up allot of business. You have to plan things logically instead of "my business is growing big, let's tackle a lot of big projects all at once. We can't fail." Then the quality goes down, moral goes down, then the business goes down. Or they sell it to some other big company and ride to the sunset.

It’s exactly how Matt Reiff threw away his entire fandom to be part of the boys club. They threw away their entire fandom because they wanted to be an actual TV show when they are enough already. All I watch is RU-vid I don’t watch TV. So I’m definitely hurt, but if they make good stuff, I’ll probably watch it 😂😂😂

I think they need to hire a CEO with legitimate experience. This has been a disaster and 100% could've been avoided with more oversight and business acumen.

Sorry one more comment, they fully intended to take down their entire library. They then gaslit everyone going "nahh we never said that" they literally said it in the video. Plus the pateron goes up to 100$!!

Don't forget that these guys also used to preach "eat the rich". Just another layer of hypocrisy.

This just gave me a flashback in Rocko’s Modern Life (S2 Ep.12). "Everything is $5!!" And yeah… literally everything 😖

I used to watch, well, Watcher. Then the announcement came out. That was a kick in the balls. Rooster Teeth, several years ago, had done something similar to what the apology video ended up saying. But as Charlie says, how the hell do they need MORE money?

Yeah nux you should start a streaming service starting at 50 dollars a month for adventure time reactions

Thanks for not pay walling your content Nux, i and many others really appreciate it 😊❤

Plus they having stuff majority behind a paywall no wonder people majorly disliked it. It is like they are spitting their subscribers in the Face.

Breaking my silence here as one of the silent shit watchers to say that I love you too, Nux

Pot of Greed got nothing on these guys jeezus man I hope nobody goes for this

Thank you nux for not wanting to make pay wall content, i already pay for premium cuz i cannot stand how the ads work im not paying anyone more

Its crazy that their apology video reminds me so much of the the try guys apology video. Only try guys at least felt like there was emotion

Your silent viewers shout out really spoke to me. You care even for the nobodies like me. Subbed. XD

The "apology" felt like it was more so a "we're sorry you felt that way" more than a actual apology. Apparently they are ONLY giving patreons 3 months free. That's what I saw someone saying that was a patron. which if true is fucked.

The "Apology" sounds to me like they mismanaged their expenses. Why should the viewer pay for their incompetence?

The lesson: with money comes hunger for more Now imagine the appetite of a big company

Nux:"You're going to hate me for this one". Me:"Doubtful".

"Sorry we did a poor job at explaining this idea" Not "This was a bad idea. We decide to not actually do it" So they're still doing it just "Please dont be angry with us 😢"

4 episodes of velma season 2 just dropped boss....you know what you must do...

Buzzfeed Fine Bros.

Love the content as always, you are keeping some what sane at work by listening to your vods. Any tips for someone who is trying your best a streamer?

we all KNOW, gigachad shane will want his shaniacs to pirate their paywalled content LMAO

The egg-boys voices you did at 37:00 fits them perfectly xD

I love how Miost exposed himself just to show *proof* and we stand him for that

I like Watcher. I've been a fan since what feels like forever. But this was just not the way to go about things for them. They release merch, have live shows where you pay to see them live, they have patreon, I'm sure they have yt members and donations, not to speak of ads and sponsorships they get, this is simply not the solution. They need an accountant, or someone to manage their finances. It's not about not having enough money, it's about how they spend that money. Unless they severely undersell themselves when they get sponsorships, their finances should not be this bad. That being said, I don't think this will be the end for them. And I don't want it for them either. I just wish they listened to their fanbase more, and we'll only see if they will as time goes on

Love your videos Nux!

The way the thumbnail clickbait is set up, i thought he was doing an expose video on Charlie lol

Even if the whole money problem with them not being able to pay their employees, and not wanting to cut costs for the videos quality. They still chose to have those 25 employees, and they could easily not have to spend as much to make a good quality video.

3 Guys own a Team of 25 and they start a Streaming Service because 1 isn't living High End enough... ...They could literally move their entire group OUT OF LA to a state like Colorado... Where ALL OF THEM could buy land WITH BIGGER HOUSES than the apartments they live in now... FOR A FRACTION OF THE PRICES they're paying NOW!!! They LITERALLY could have EXTREMELY FANCY lives right NOW if they just moved out of fucking LA!!! THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO!!! (Edit:) So I just did the math... This "Company" makes 3 Million... At Least... A YEAR... Each "Employee" could get 120k a year... That's well off upper middle class in my Area... They could literally own 40 Acres with a Scenic View and A VERY Nice House...

46:40 it is becoming harder for them because they try to get bigger and bigger with production value and costs are incrementally higher( e.g. those 30 people they hire lol)

They should of just tried begging more ppl to join their patreon, lmao

23:07 bookmark cuz I gotta go to my 2.5k a month minimum wage job and lament the fact I’m not enough of a gamer to make that kind of dough

Did they explain why they're making their own paid site instead of members only YT vids?

Nux: watching me on the toilet Me: prewatch!!

I am part of the silent viewer faction, I listen to these like a podcast during my commute.

150 thousand a month. my god. work for 1 year and i would be set for LIFE

A lot of that apology gave me the feeling of that episode of South Park with the oil company

None of these men have a pinch of financial acumen, how can you have 25 employees but not pay an accountant

Aren't they 5 years late to the "start your own streaming service" party?

honestly a based take right from the beginning i also don't think they should be forgiven. their only intention was moeny money money but they try to pretend like they are doing it for their fans. i would understand their need of money if they didn't have millions of views every vids, thousands of paterons, live shows and sponsor.

It was me who wanted to make your character as a webtoom😂😂😂 thanks

“We make money through your views, patreon subscriptions and merch sales. Sorry we just wanted a lil more.”

Damn Nux, thank you for appreciating my support between bowel movements and lunch 😂

3 dudes on a couch... That's kinda like sneako with his g/f on a couch and 7 guys behind it, he really is the reverse! YOU'RE RIGHT!

i need to stop watching these while i work bc i just almost sent an email with watcher instead of water to a client 💀💀💀

funny thing is i had no clue who they are

34:00 Netflix does have some good stuff, but they cancel it :(

I wonder how much they actually pay those employees.

Finally some acknowledgment for the Silent Shitters!

Like I get some content should be behind paywall.. but you gotten so many fans. That channel. What do you think would happen if you decided most content would be behind a paywall huh? Of course most who watch RU-vid don't have a paid job yet so they watch content for free. This is a greed mistake.

I want to know how much money they thought this would make. During the announcement they talked about how this would allow them to hire more tallent, but during the apology they said they needed the money or they would need to fire people. Was one of these a lie? Or did they really think that a large portion of their subscribers would move, like seems reasonable 10% they average 1 mil views so that would be 600k, how in the red are they, that that would stop them firing people

If only he covered the Jacksfilms parody of the situation

Yeah, gimmie that money and I'll tell no one.

What confuses me most is the sheer stupidity of it. Why did they think that would be a good idea?

The $6 a month thing is exactly like Elon Musk's $8 a month subscription on Twitter.

I think this is over dramatic AF 😂 They just didn't think this through.

They claim to have a 25 person production team. TWENTY FIVE PEOPLE PRODUCING + 3 DBAGS APOLOGIZING. If they pay each only 40k/yr salary x 25 that’s 1M. 60k/yr x 25=1.5M

As a bit of context to the part about the 1+M views, the 3 series that get the most views on Watcher are Mystery Files, Ghost Files, and Puppet History. The videos from 9+ weeks ago were from Top10 beatdown and Too Many Spirits, which are significantly less popular. Also, they have a successful web store, so the streaming service pivot they initially wanted was definitely a money grab. I don't doubt that they will still make great content, but this controversy will sour viewership for the next few months at least

I agree it's unforgivable. I am so fucking sick of the insane amount of greed that has overtaken so many people in the modern age.

11:20 we're back to original cable let's goooooo

I've watched so many vidoes of people dunking on this. It just boggles my mind. Even if the backlash never happened, I can't see how they ever would have made more than RU-vid with sponsors. They have to cater for them? Their content was as safe as it gets, what on earth were they making that the sponsors didn't like anyway?

Screen recording boutta go crazy

I was literally pooping listening to this. PRE-WATCHED

Why nux calling me out for watching his vids while I'm on the toilet....twice a day

hey what software do you use for this anime character to overlay on the video for commentary?Thanks

Watch it come out that they recorded the apology video the same day they recorded the announcement video😅 because that's exactly what it sounds like

8:46 true they didn't hurt anyone, but themselves...... Most likely they got used to the lavish lifestyle, and wanted more... like a YATCH or something ;) and then they apologised because ppl caught on their obvious greedy schemes... Hoping to win their trust back..

I'm here wondering how their live London show went. Where's the tea!?!?!

Rooster Teeth did this except they took all of red vs blue off of their channel

00:55 the 37 likes were from staff and friends

Journalist + greed = not surprising

I would say that I don't think it's coming from greed, but being extremely out of touch and very stupid. When I watched it, I interpreted Watcher as wanting to move away from having sponsored episodes. They stated they felt like they were serving two masters when making content, the fans and then the sponsors, and they wanted to make content they wanted and what the fans would want. If that is the case, that's respectable, but their mess up was that they think of themselves a bigger than indie youtube content creators, more akin to rivaling buzzfeed in their minds. I love Watcher, (and yes, I acknowledge this may be making me biased in how I am taking this), but I didn't even know they had a patreon until this video came out, so why not take the things they were offering in the streamer service, voting on content to be brought back, that specialized streamer website, ect, and roll that into their patreon and actually advertise it more? I think it's because they thought that would be like Buzzfeed asking people to subscribe to a patreon; like it was a slap in the face of the people who watch the shows. They thought they were big corpo instead of what they were, a successful indie content creation studio that wanted to stay independent. Regardless of the intent or reason though, this was an enormous screw up that's wrecked their reputation and trust with their fans, myself included, and they have a long hard road to earn that trust back

Honestly I feel the way it concluded was well executed, sure the initial announcement was greed incarnate, but they did conclude with the watcher streaming service paywalling early content, but it will be free eventually on RU-vid, but I don’t see the streaming service lasting with people knowing that the content will be free, I typically agree with nux but I think this apology is although not perfect, by far the best apology I’ve seen on RU-vid. The reasoning for them wanting their own streaming service is definitely unreasonable because of the income the company sees but if what they say is at all true they just didn’t want ad breaks in their videos disrupting the content they’re trying to produce, I get why they wanted it, but it they didn’t take the audience they appeal to into account

I just wanted to make a webtoon about nux not any other plans cause I like you and your personality

apologies reduces the crime afterword your actions is what fixes it, anything can be forgiven it starts with sorry but it ends with your repentance actions because if you trip someone then apologize and you trip them again you apology is a lie, words are cheap and are less if it is a lies so yes saying sorry is where it starts being sorry is where it ends!

When you have this much, why do you need more?

The only streaming service I used was Netflix, and I cancelled that a year ago.

11:00 I think if they made their site free but pay 4-6 for no ads. It would've worked out better for them

Why are your eyes so long nux😂

Matpat did that RU-vid red exclusive content and it was fine

Now we will truly find out if sinners can be redeemed

thanks, as one of those who normally doesn't comment, thank you for your appreciation, and I will continue to watch.

Their apology is so robotic and clearly PR speak. ChatGPT could have written a more human sounding response.

If they’re that broke then these idiots need a class on financial planning, since it seems like it all their own fault

Hoping tomorrow we get the Charlie/Nux apology reaction

Why pay 5.99USD/mo for one single show? I'll stick to actual proper streaming services.

video 224 of asking Sir Nuxpentious to read homestuck because it's 10 times dumber than adventure time in all the right ways. there's a youtube channel that actually narrates the comic so you don't need to read all 8129 pages.

Who watches the Watcher? Nobody anymore hopefully

You can take the boys out of Buzzfeed, but you can NEVER take the Buzzgreed out of the boys.

I dont know who these people are but I don’t trust that guy with the blonde hair. He’s moving hella shiesty. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was all his idea.

Ha I didn't even knew they existed 😂

And that’s just on my iPad which I’m not on very often anymore because I’m mostly on my cell phone ever since the government gave me my free cell phone which I’m on right now

This is a comment from someone who watches in silence thanks nux