Union of Progressive Peoples | Alien Extended Universe 

I think this is mostly from the RPG. Maybe some from the comics? I'm a long time fan of the Aliens lore and they were hardly ever bothered about the human political landscape other than "Big corporations do bad things". Countries and other large institutions were mostly hinted at, but rarely developed.

@@Rodrigo_Vega alot also comes from the colonial marines book, that details how the USCM work and operate, their main enamy is the UPP who they constantly have skirmishes with.

@@Rodrigo_Vega Alien vs Predator is the series that builds up humans the most and has the most background. It's a little weird there hasn't been an avp game in an eon.

@@Aptonoth That is because the last ones were not that good. The arcade game was AWESOME though.

​​@@Rodrigo_Vega specifically it was the cancelled alien 3 script from William Gibson that created a lot of it. And the colonial marine operations manual

@@ThaUltimateHunter Then the Space Monster looks down to see a grenade in the dead Communist's hand... with the safety pin removed 💀

​@@pendragon0905Space Monster: Sh*t. BOOM!!!

"Always trust Jayjay" my mom just a minute ago

That would have been so much better than the "monks in space" story they did for Alien 3. I remember the interview where the plot writer was like "I had this idea of monks in space in a wooden boat, debating what is Evil and what is Good. So I changed the plot to get as close as I could to that." Or something. It was a horrible concept that resulted in an odd movie which killed off the survivors of Aliens, and only left Ripley.

Yep William Gibson's Alien 3

Wished that script became the movie over what we got. Hoping for a do over in one of these years.

That would have made a much better movie honestly.

Although in alien it was very much corrupted by capitalism....

To hell comrades

And they will ruin space like all commies do. Better dead then red

Mostly of it is thanks to the Alien RPG. Both the core rulebook and the colonial marines module have a lot of the art used in this video and a LOT of lore. And its pretty solid too. Check chariot of the gods too, the first adventure on a trilogy, one of which is the destruction of the settlement mentioned at the end of the video.

You can thank Dark Horse comics. They did a lot tae build up the universe. When Alien started up again with Prometheus that Lore was sorted, trimmed in some areas, grown in others. The UPP was first brought up in William Gibson's rejected Alien 3 script. I strongly recommend the RPG, as it is brimming with lore and worldbuilding.

@@darthlazurus4382 I'm still new to the Alien universe beyond the movies so I haven't checked the comics yet. I know what I'll read next!

Every gun has a good 20 sentences of lore.

@@user-im7uh5nl6t I was just checking him out. Will highly recommend it to anyone from now on

Oh if only the UPP wasn't yet another state socialist project doomed to failure due to its own internal contradictions... True communism cannot be imposed from the top down - only built from the ground up.

You have nothing to lose but your restraining field.

@@PaiSAMSEN "We are convinced that liberty without socialism is privilege and injustice; and that socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality" - Mikhail Bakunin.

Better dead by the alien than red

Okay, Tyrant.

Unfortunately, the Earth has not yet bent to the benign domination of Ireland, but we are are patient as we are loving of humanity. 😁

Predator is not canon in alien universe. Aliens don't leave any witnesses)

Hadley's is hope destroyed, the alien from alien 3 movie was melted in iron, the aliens on the Sevastopol station fell down on a gas giant, and so go on, no witnesses

@@user-hn6yd1dg4y it’s semi canon

Didnt have AvP2 these weird russian guys?

Check out William Gibson's screenplay of Alien 3, where the UPP is sourced from.

I think the UPP makes an appearance in Alien Infestation on the DS

Android: "I would *love* to raise the crew from cryosleep to have them recover a dangerous alien egg from this planet... but I'm afraid that's against union laws" *roll end credits*

@@westphalianstallion4293 you mean the Iron Bears? They were a private mercenry firm hired by Weyland-Yutani to augment the regular security forces on LV-1201 and we all know how that went.

Oh if only the UPP wasn't yet another state socialist project doomed to failure due to its own internal contradictions... True communism cannot be imposed from the top down - only built from the ground up. ... Let no one build walls to divide us, walls of hatred not walls of stone.

The Red Blok in AT43 called it the Intersidereal.

The interglactic

Wait a second.. you’re on to something🤯

@@Jesus_OfficalThe Intergalacticale

The rising sun never sets on the Three World Empire!

Yes

Well they think their the Marxist dream but really their a rotten core like the USSR or WarsawPact.

the federation werent space stalinists they just outgrew capitalism

It's like if someone tried to create the Federation in a universe with no matter replicators, no friendly humanoid aliens and no apocalyptic catastrophe that brought humanity together, along with much harder laws of physics

Yeah, its more realistic than star trek and other shiny sci fi things

Isn’t Blade Runner part of this universe as well ?

@@versace6609 no, not officially

Yeah what makes alien unique even after all this time is the aesthetics which somehow manages to perfectly combine retrofuturistism, modernish and futuristic aesthetics

@@user-hn6yd1dg4y it has been confirmed by the director

Eurasia is from 1984, I believe?

I think they already did the Horde. It is one of the oldest videos I believe.

Here to cast another vote for the Camarilla. Both a world-spanning conspiracy and an incredibly limited village-style government coexisting with 20th/21st century politics....

@@himynameisfelipe4042 it was the pilot for rivalries, more focused on the broader relationship between the alliance and horde, so I'd understand if people wanted a more detailed video

Man would I love to see some stuff from Metal Gear, From XOF to MSF to FOXHOUND, it's a treasure trove of lore

Maybe if a UPP colony got infested their interstellar government leaders would just send in a robot army. Then maybe they'd send the cadavers along with some live Aliens frozen inside converted refrigerated cargo trailers shipped by futuristic semi-ton trucks to a secret science research "city" they quickly set up in the Northern "Arctic" region of the planet. Most of the "buildings" would just be troop transport and bulk cargo spaceships along with some modular buildings that kind of resemble Soviet era mass produced buildings. This would look neat in a film. Also Khruschevka were made to be easy to build back in the 1950s, imagine how easy they'd be to build using modern technology and robot construction workers. Like maybe they'd mostly create platoons mostly of knock-off Working Joe style robots armed with like cheap body armour plates, steel helmets and shotguns. Like in real life the Soviet Union made knockoffs of lots of other countries technology that was more technologically primitive yet simpler to produce and in some cases way more rugged. Like look at the real life Soviet Union made ruggedised licensed Fiat car clones. Like imagine if an Alien film protagonist had to temporarily team up with some very physically tough yet terrifyingly mentally low functioning robots in order to survive. Or maybe ironically the UPP Working Joe knockoffs would just have like the intelligence of at least like a kind of dumb high school student or something because it would show that humorously even the "space communists" thought it was a dumb idea to save money and resources by making dumb robots that all share one Wi-Fi connected robot brain, especially since knockoff computer chips are probably not that expensive to make. Also it could be interesting to have talking robot characters in the Alien universe that are clearly not human at all. The Working Joe knockoff robots could be operating under the command of a handful of more intelligent human-like "Bishop like" robots. The "Bishop like" robots could be wielding like "forklift suits (i.e. Alien 2) with each suit equipped with automatic rifle and flamethrower attachments. They could be the creepy amoral scientists sent to study the Aliens and try to modify the Aliens into bio-weapons that can be easily controlled. Maybe a United Americas spaceship that was surveilling another planet gets infested with Aliens which leads to the crew dying, a handful of crewmates escaping in cryogenic life pods and and both the life pods and the ship crashing onto the UPP planet. Then the survivors get woken by the robots and told "you're at the newly founded Science City in the arctic region of the planet of Neo Russia, we confined the remaining Aliens here after they attacked Neo Moscow however now the Aliens are breaking out of captivity, also we don't much care for you spacemen since we believe you're responsible for this Alien infestation".

@@SurprisinglyDeep Maybe but "IF" they thought they were responsible. Then the humans in charge would place them under arrest and order the bots to put them into custody. Although i believe the leader of that installation would soon realize that A. given the time that the infestation occured and the arrival of the colonial marine vessel it would be impossible. Then B. once the xenomorphs escaped containment. Both sides would have to help each other if they were going to survive and have any chance of saving the colony or escaping the facility alive.

@@stevengreen9536 Very true. Also that'd be a cool plot. I'm just thinking that the colonists might blame the spacefarers because they assumed the spacefarers were mucking about with like what they'd assume was like the Aliens habitat or whatnot. (Like if a pedestrian sees a bunch of wild animals barking at someone else then it's be natural for the pedestrian to assume that the other person did something to warrant the animals anger.) Also it seems it's human nature to want to blame other people if a catastrophe causing loss of human life occurs, in an attempt to try and find an ordered pattern out of the chaos and to try to find a reason that the event was not just a senseless horrific random coincidence.

@@SurprisinglyDeep I know but regardless of alliances,politics,etc. The smart individuals will put all that aside for awhile and realize they are in a crisis. Even enemies can temporarily work together to stay alive.

@@stevengreen9536 Very true. It'd be dramatic if they argued for awhile before teaming up though.

EU collapse you woud wish.

A lot can happen in 85 years

Kinda curious how France and Poland tolerate that... But, like the other guy said, 85 years is a long time.

Totally agree with you there, I love For All Mankind and love the alternative history of the Soviet Union avoiding collapse and the Cold War extending into space but none the less cringed in the Red Wave short between seasons 2 and 3 that simply had the Soviet Union avoid bureaucratic stagnation though 'market reforms' like modern day China. Alongside the example you gave of Cybersyns you can go back even further to the early 50's and Cybernetics in the Soviet Union that while at first criticised by the conservative party leadership who feared that technological innovation could could disrupt their 'tried and tested' methods of crude, common economy, industrialisation, by the mid 50's moved into popularity as the abstract potential for computers to revolutionise economic planning began to be understood with their ability to instantaneously provide information for economic feedback mechanisms allowing the economy to overcome the so-called 'Socialist Transformation Problem' identified by the bourgeois economist Hayek of a lack of feedback once supply and demand are removed as regulating factors. The 2010 hybrid fiction/non-fiction collection of short stories, Red Plenty, written by the anti-socialist writer Francis Spufford that uses fictionalised for Francis to interject his views into the narrative with kind of fourth wall breaks where he addresses the audience, in spite of his intention to, at best, dismiss economic planning as a utopian dream, features a Soviet Cybersyn mathematician in the late 50's who was struggling against the government to realise socialism through computers, to quote the text directly, "He could see that this would not be possible under capitalism, where all the factories had separate owners, locked in wasteful competition with one another. There, nobody was in a position to think systematically. The capitalists would not be willing to share information about their operations; what would be in it for them? That was why capitalism was blind, why it groped and blundered. It was like an organism without a brain. But here it was possible to plan for the whole system at once. The economy was a clean sheet of paper on which reason was writing. So why not optimise it? All he would have to do was to persuade the appropriate authorities to listen. Suppose that the Soviet economy could be made to grow by an extra 3% a year - an extra 3% a year after year, compounded. It would mount up fast. After only a decade, the country would be half as rich again as it would have been otherwise." While Spufford's intention was to present such people as hopeless dreamers that were doomed to fail in the face of the conservatism of the Soviet state, even if you accept that as true and I think he was probably right as that initial conservatism of the late 50's and 60's turned into outright hostility when the party elite came to understand implementing such politics would destroy by redding them economically redundant, the millions of overpaid, corrupt state bureaucrats, they depended on as their social base to keep themselves in power, even then, it does not follow that such social and economic policies, if implemented in the early period of socialist regime, that is before the crystallisation of an entrenched state bureaucracy, such a socialist system might achieve a level of success economically while avoiding totalitarianism. The next most developed developed theoretical examination of the use of computers for socialist planning following the work around Cybersyn, that party builds of it alongside the limited exploration that did take place in the Soviet Union before it was side-lined can be found in the 1993 book, Towards a New Socialism, by Paul Cockshott and Allin F. Cotterll, the authors putting the book online themselves in 2000 to contribute to the wider theoretical regroupment of the socialist left following the complete ideological capture of the the overwhelming majority of the former communist and social-democratic movement by liberalism and neo-liberalism. So why the lack of imagination in future socialist societies with writers being so limited they are unable to look beyond a nostalgic, idealised version of European social democracy or a unconscious imitation of China when there is a wealth of material out there? I think it honestly just stems from the continued absolute domination of neo-liberal orthodoxy over the developed capitalist countries with no alternative economic system or even discussion being tolerated in the corporate media, education and the largest corporate funded academia. The writers simply can't conceptualise any alternative to the market. This is truly a shame and a loss for realising the limitless potential of fictional non-capitalist societies and civilisations but I honestly don't see this changing for the foreseeable future, at least in more mainstream fiction. For now, I would recommend the Culture novels by the science fiction author Ian M Banks for the best to date example of an intergalactic communist civilisation that has completely overcome the market economy even if the civilisation of The Culture is not without it's pit falls with the disproportionate power influence of The Minds, super advanced AI's, within it.

oof, big time

El arsenal de la UPP esta basado en las armas de la plataforma kalashnikov

In exactly the same way the DPRK or GDR is/was democratic and a republic.

Somewhat? They're a relatively uninspired copy+paste of the IRL soviet union. Kinda boring honestly.

They're "Progressive Socialist" I guess lol. Who knows? It's set in the far 22nd Century.

No, they are not so advanced as United Americas, but they have much more Human power

Just like PRC who call themself democratics

Definitely, I've never gotten too into the lore but always wondered what contact Humans and Predators have had by the time of the second or third Alien movies - have they fought wars? Is there trade? A no-go zone? &c.

AvP (and the Predators) aren't canon to the main Alien series.

@@dheck1138yeah but they could just do videos about both in their own settings

@@dheck1138 So what? This is the Alien Extended Universe I'm referring to.

I think it's much needed new political landscape writen for the tabletop RPG.

@@Rodrigo_Vega Back when they made the first two films the soviet union was still a thing and pieces of script that ended up not making the cut mention them as a competing interstellar superpower. The UPP is just that idea revived and renamed to better fit into the future timeline.

@@GaldirEonai yea, the URSS shows up in a lot of sci-fi of the time, but some of this media was done well past that point. Today Aliens is almost "retrofuturism" It's 80s IN SPACE and this factions plays the part. Making the UPP into a rebranded URSS in space is perfectly serviceable in it's tropey-ness but a bit unoriginal and not particularly enthralling as commentary or speculation.

Only according to theorists. If you ask me, there are too many discrepancies, and they're extremely unlikely to ever cross over in an official capacity.

@@SuperGman117 too bad they dont sit down and sort it out. Would be pretty awesome if they could somehow connect them. Maybe even add in Dredd universe somehow as well.

@@adamm.6595 It would be cool. You could even throw Avatar in there. The deleted scenes that feature Earth are very classic cyberpunk.

@@adamm.6595 Officialy they said no. But also they said we can combine them if we want in our own headcanon, yeah the guy that look over the cannon in the 20 century fox said that we can create our own non official cannon

Wait, why?

Last I checked, they are non-partisan civilization researchers?

Who's Cherdenko?

War never changes.

Novel series, tabletop rpg, some of the background lore in the video games

It was from the Aliens 3 script famed science fiction writer William Gibson wrote that was never used

Literally copied and pasted into sci fi. I'm sad, wish boomers had had more imagination, but I suppose this is cold war intoxication.

It's kind of different though. Like this video said the UPP is not actually trying to create a communist state, they're just trying to limit the power of the mega-corporations and give their people in general better living standards. So it's a government system made by well intentioned yet self aware cynical realists with a glass half full mentality made by people saying "we all know what happened with the Soviet Union and the other state communist countries, we all know that trying to make a truly communist state is a completely futile endeavour but let's not try and build an impossible stateless classless society, let's like just try and build a government that values what we think are good principles to live by in terms of a focus around socialism and create worlds where everyone has a decent standard of living". Like they could still be oppressive but thy might not be as bad as many state communist countries, like they probably wouldn't accuse anyone by saying "we accuse you of being a dirty pig dog capitalist" or "we accuse you of being one of the people trying to prevent the communist state from coming into being" but instead they'd probably say "we accuse you of being a selfish person who did something to put his own needs above those of others" even when the person had not done anything illegal. Also it's interesting in that in its struggle for power with United Americas and the Three World Empire the situation is kind of like the 18th century Age of Colonialism except if one of the "empires" was instead kind of like the Soviet Union instead.

Sadly it seems alternate systems are hardly ever shown, like we get examples of why capitalism sucks but then few alternatives

The funniest thing about life is that as I've grown older the more I realize how many sci-fi and other works exist that paint socialism as this evil monstrous thing who's only real motive in the universe is to consume everything and create dystopian nightmares in their wake, especially if they are produced within the USA. What's funny is that many times it is our own systems that do this and not socialism. Even the worst of the KGB pales in comparison to the sheer might of the United States empire, We are so powerful we ALLOW people to talk about whatever they want with full knowledge that should they ever even remotely get close to making a difference they can be removed and no one will give 2 shits about it. Or at least they didn't for a long time, Now that China has begun to rise up to match us in dominance we are beginning to lose our grip over the world. Everyone in the USSR knew what their secret police were and what they did but the USA is only just now realizing after over a century of having secret police what our own nation is capable of. We wait 20-40 years before we admit to something to our own people and yet when you talk to normal individuals about what the government could be doing now they act like the government's of this world are completely innocent little babies who are harmless and can't do anything because we're so democratic and in complete control over our nations... No one is truly free, no one will ever be truly free, society should belong to the working class and that is the only difference between the USSR and the USA but since it isn't a rich minority ruling over their nation with a shadow army to keep everyone in line they are viewed as monstrous while we are viewed as virtuous.