Union representing sub-postmasters repeatedly ignored Horizon IT concerns | ITV News 

Being paid to do one specific thing and doing the exact opposite,

Corrupt the representative is the motto , unions MPs legality doctors and universities .The price is right .Hmmm.

I heard in another 'news' video that the PO virtually or wholly 'paid off'(?) the unions to get them out the way!

Let's get this right the so called union was part of the post office it wasn't independent

Shameful. Not fit for purpose.

jail time for destroying the post masters lives make an example her and the other arrogant boss

... Well we Can't Take Her Beauty away From Venells. Community Service as a Gargoyle HAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAA 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🥂🌄

20 years hard labour for her crimes. Then the rest of her life in a nunnery for betraying the Church.

All the liars from the Post Office need to go to jail, see how they like it.

Vennels is not going to jail that's a given

Well said.

Horrible. I'm so ashamed I didn't send a contribution to their cause all those years ago. Good on those who supported them.

Agreed

Let us be clear. The NFSP is a department of the Post Office. The NFSP exists because it is funded by the Post Office. It does not receive membership subscriptions. The Post Office gives it money. Lots of it. Every year. The NFSP is wholly complicit in the Horizon scandal. It threw its own members under a bus, as policy, in order to protect the Post Office brand. And now, in a cynical and desperate move, it has turned on the Post Office in order to justify its existence. On 3 Feb 2015, the NFSP's then General Secretary George Thomson told MPs during a select committee inquiry without offering any evidence: "Over the 15 years, the Horizon system has been fantastically robust." and Horizon had been "a very strong system from day one." On the subject of IT errors, Thomson dismissed them, saying: "Sub-postmasters sometimes think that the problem has to be the Horizon system when in effect it was mistakes by members of staff or misappropriation." The NFSP is not an organisation passively accepting the Post Office line. It is actively promoting a lie.

Stop paying union fees.

Unions are they there to help the workers ? Or to push political agendas ? seems to be the second these days and doesn't help thw ordinairy folk.

​@@gwynjames2077 Been like that for decades.

This union leader looks like a forelok tugget

Well yeh the union rep who Did stand up for them suddenly found his wifes subpost office missing thousands the day after he visited fujitsu very obviously a retaliatory deliberate alteration in my opinion so no wonder union reps were running scared its very probable that the union reps were all sub post masters themselves so they were over a barrel It would be more profitable to investigate the contracts they signed if the contract said only they could change the data and it was a private system for their post office then Fujitsu was hacking their systems which should get fujitsu Banned from all gov contracts

1 did try i guess that the post office was sending a message to the reps .like they did convicting sub post master's .

Keep all ya lotto tickets or do it on line just in case they are corrupt aswell

Yep

They were funded by the Post Office so not a proper independent union !!!!!

​​@@davidpearson243 A union is meant to be a union. If they are not a 'proper independent union' then they are taking money from their members under false pretences and should be thoroughly investigated. Like Scargill, I bet they are all comfortable with lovely big houses!!😊

​Subpost masters don't pay a sub to the NFSP, the NFSP is paid for by the post office. So not a TUC affiliate more a Post Office controlled association.

Absolutely

I regularly get notices flashed up by YT telling me “I may have breached their guidelines and my comment removed” - of course they won’t reveal exactly what comment or say what is untrue about any comment….it’s all deceit day in and day out from “authority” .

YT is censoring ,or malfunctioning on, a variety of subjects.

Its disgraceful if youtube are doing this.they should lose their licence if they dont offer a credible reason why they are doing this

Horizon seem to have unlimited funds. Very easy to pay people off. 1 million pay off per person is peanuts to them.

I've also been warned off by Utube for using the term, 'Shotgun ' in my judgement on how to resolve the problem of the top-level despicable people who knowingly created this horror. It was plainly tongue in cheek, (aye, maybe) but I still got the warning ⚠️

A trojan horse.

As they say if you want to understand why people behave in a certain way then follow the money.

@@robertstorey7476 Always follow the Money, it never fails to get results.

I look forward to seeing him in jail.

Yes I wonder about that..why was Fujitsu able to access at night the computer systems the the sub post offices..it would be like Microsoft accessing our laptops and altering data...why did the Post Office continually deny.this intrusion from a secret room at Fujitsu and then have a helpline which knew it could not help these people and lied saying they were the only one to complain. Heads should roll..all those who knew the system could be accessed and..data changed even when the postmaster was using their laptop at the time. It is obvious that over 900 people are not dishonest when the contract was their livelihood ..I bet bells did ring but instead of admitting Horizon was at fault and they had made over 900 mistakes..they went onto the attack to blame the post office staff of theft. Would a tiny Post office do 74,000 pounds worth if business a day selling stamps, postal orders or from people paying bills etc. even a gorilla could have seen that something was wrong and insist Fujitsu re_cgecked Horizon..but no..The P.O.knew all along the Horizon system was flawed as per the recording of that secret PO meeting which was suppressed.. There were crimes committed and they have to be accountable for deliberately concealing flaws and causing innocent lives to be destroyed, people to die by suicide and people jailed for crimes they did not commit. And then not to repay the stolen money but to steal it and account for it as profits....so their accountants were in on it as well plus the auditors..Afterall profits come from somewhere so yes ...false accounting as well. What a disgrace..how do these PO high ups sleep at night...badly I hope.

it it's proven to be a paula too.

You might be right, however, if they can prove they informed the post office managers of this problem and the post office ignored them that's a different scenario, tricky legal case.

The UK has always been one of the most corrupt countries in the World however, the media does not call corruption by its real name

What are you talking about? This scandal is under investigation, the uk is perfectly within its right to criticise any corruption anywhere else.

@@Nicksexploring It took too long to come to the attention of the public; plus this is only one of many.

@@Nicksexploring This is the fourth decade of this scandal, the fact of the UK taking issue with this horror story only in recent times is not a good look.

If you're a union member pass union laws that no member can stay in power for over 6 months. Look at Sean Fein in the US or Britain's Mick Lynch. If your union's broke work to fix it because it's the only safeguard you have as a worker.

Champagne Socialists, the lot of them. Just look at Steve Crow, living in a Council House whilst earning mega amounts of money, but said he was entitled to the house. Good job, he didn't last that long!

People don’t pay enough to get proper unions. I paid 1% of my gross salary in union dues. In return we were well represented and were able to continually improve our T’s & C’s to the point where union membership (tax deductible) more than paid for itself. The union? BALPA.

How true, I was a lifetime member of the engineering union AUEW when the company that I worked for closed down. I contacted my branch secretary on behalf of the five engineers that worked there and was told 'Sorry, but there's nothing at all we can do about it'. It was a printing company and the rest of the factory employes were in the (NGA) the printers union. The NGA Union Rep was good enough to offer to support us and in the end the five of us were awarded a decent severance payment. The disgraceful AUEW union was not even prepared to show their face.

@@mrmyorky5634 The union that I was a member of when I needed their help was the AUEW.

So it took membership fees throughout the period that subpostmasters were being convicted using the faulty Horizon data?

Collusion proven

The TUC decided in 2013 that subpostmasters were not workers although they paid employee National Insurance and had been workers for decades. Around that time people were starting to question Horizon more so they did a quick exit from responsibility. If Horizon had failed during the 1999 to 2010 Labour government it would have been a political disaster for the Labour Party as it was the most expensive system in Europe , excluding military. If Horizon had to be replaced instead of launched by Tony Blair it may have cost them in an election.

NFSP receives funding from POL, now that explains things. Thanks for the insight.

This whole story is an attempt by interested parties and their media allies to distract the public and deflect blame to others. Shame on ITN for misleading the public with factually incorrect reporting. Do they really not know the NFSP is NOT a union nor a member of the TUC or are they happily pursuing a wider union bashing agenda?

So it collected membership fees throughout the period that subpostmasters were being prosecuted and convicted on the basis of the faulty Horizon data?

The TUC decided that Subpostmasters were not “ workers “ in 2013 although they paid employee National Insurance contributions and had been “ workers” for decades. The TUC had protected the Labour government since 1999 to 2010. If Horizon ( the most expensive computer system in Europe, apart from military) had to be scrapped and replaced at a waste of £billions of taxpayer’s money, it may have brought Blair’s and Brown’s government down. Did they kick NFSP out to hide their involvement Strange fact around 2013 more and more people were questioning Horizon. TUC needs investigated and made to pay up.

yep yt like to protect where the money at .we cant upset paula it might hurt her feelings.

I have found lots of my posts missing, I have reverted to giving my own comments a thumbs up to give it some type of credibility to stop them, taking it down. and as with facebook I have had 2 bans of 24 hours and NOT told which post offends their sensitivities.