@@stevenkelby2169 : Is it because the airline he named would then be able to prove he never worked for them, leaving him wide open for litigation? How can anyone be certain anything they see or read is fact or fiction?
Far more likely that it was hit by a wheel or door from a Boeing flying above it than an ACTUAL DRONE STRIKE. CHEERS BRUCE THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS Steve h
Yeah... before we know it there will not be enough airspace to fly a model without risking your time and money amidst the downpour of airliner debris and falling Starlink satellites!
Years ago i was driving down the M23 when something hit, and bounced off the bonnet of a van i was driving, had no idea what it was, my mind did not have to time to determine anything more than it's approx size, about half the size of a brick. I was only doing about 75mph - yet i still did not have the time to work out what it was. Strange how some pilots can determine what something is when they are travelling at least 3 times the speed i was.
I can definitely appreciate this rant and the frustration behind it. I've carried on flying my rc models as usual. No RID. No problems. I do notice myself looking over my shoulder more often, for park police cars. I've always picked sites with no one around, in the middle of a week day to fly. Just to fly a foam toy in a park close to home. 👍
3,000 to 10,000+ birds per Square mile on earth and one Drone per 25 Square miles. The math is really simple.. This one turned out to be a bird. Go figure.🤔
Your right Bruce they just bullying drone people for no reason. I know some people who fly drones for fun and they aren’t breaking any laws. Keep preaching the truth Bruce.
When this happens they (the €!@) are preping the public. They use this to create credible scapegoats. Consider you are a evil conspirator and you wish to remove a man called Ass... with an excuse. It was a dude taking picture😮
I would say that as a pilot , pilots can be unreliable witnesses. I recall an incident of alleged controlled airspace violation by one of our club aircraft. When we queried about the colour of the aircraft they could not identify it. Our only aircraft in the area was bright yellow all over. Needless to say they never bothered us again.
If thats true about the BA pilots being told to report unknowns as a drone, we could have a field day in court discrediting an incident where there is no evidence. Bear in mind that at that point they wouuld have to produce the data to substantiate their directive.
Well there is still a very strong possibility that his aircraft has hit a drone or two in the past, although it really depends on the proximity of any hives in the proximity the finals of where he's flying. Damage is likely to be minor, although a pitot tube plugged with bee brains may pose a minor problem in flight.
1984 you got that right you just have to look around at everything else going on,Well at least we can say we both lived in a time before everything turned to crap
737 certified AME…I’ve seen hundreds of bird strikes over the years, with birds as big as Canadian geese. Yes birds that big do major damage. The planes are designed to take it though. Even though drones are made of harder materials, it would take much larger than a hobby drone to do enough damage to bring down an airliner. Cessnas and other small aircraft don’t go fast enough for a hobby drone to do more damage than a bird strike.
Love you Brother Bruce! Just wanted to tell you, you've made a difference in my life and have taught me so much. Your friend, Bernard Fox, Dalas Texas, USA
Bruce, I think the pilot should of said… ATC I think we just hit a cat, spaceship, no flying car that might of had more credibility. Drone give me a break the only word they know.
If he hit anything at all, then it's its more likely he hit a bird, and since when did birds have four rotors, one at each corner. It's obvious birds are far more of a danger to full sized aviation by an order of magnitude than any drone or model aircraft, so when are the aviation authorities going to lay the Draconian rules on birds that they've laid on us as drone and model aircraft pilots.
Harry Harrison's book "Make room, make room" is very close to fact as well. (It was later made into a film titled "Soylent Green", but the film totally missed the punch line!) - - - The 'drone strike' was probably a piece that fell off a Boeing that was passing overhead!
I have seen the damage caused to the tailplane of a 737 by a birdstrike at Wellington NZ. They hit a black-backed gull, which has a five foot + wingspan. The leading edge of the wing was torn open, and compressed back about ten inches. There is no way anyone could mistake the damage caused by a drone with this... the amount of blood, guts, and feathers removed any possible doubt! Whoever told the engineers it was an interesting and varied career didn't mention this part!
Bruce... You're too hopeful. I do hope they hear you, but we know they won't. 😕 Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊 BTW, 1984 was meant to be a warning, not a step by step guide like they're using it.
Thank you for always being the voice of common sense and honesty. Im afraid the world is being conditioned to believe that what they say is the truth instead of reality-based truths. Scary when morals are replaced by propaganda.
Bruce! Are you suggesting that the British Air Lline Pilots Association (BALPA) might distort the truth for an agenda? I suppose that could have been why the rest of the industry called them the British Airways Line Pilots Association in my working days. As for assuming a bang is a drone. In the days before soft fall toilet lids it was wise to check the forward toilet lid was down before take off or make sure you could identify the bang of it closing from the flight deck. Love the Las Vegas raid on the legal just because they have electronic visibility, I must say I never had more than one inspector at a time to check my licence and the $ 350 million insurance certificate. Reminds me of when only operational aircraft had Identification Friend or Foe that is now the transponder required by all short of a Bumble Bee. This was in the 1960s when there was little company above 45,000ft and stats could show a definite link between inconvenient air traffic demands and equipment failure, particularly when outside the range of a raw radar image. Now it would appear if you are out in the sticks and not operating an unmanned intercontinental flight the last thing you want to be is visible to more than the mark one eyeball.
So when and if this happens to me where I am stopped from doing my job and potentially others afterwards, and if someone records it and posts my business on social media with my business logo and cops fbi etc around I am going to file a lawsuit for damages and losses... if I were that operator I would probably do just that.
As the guy in Las Vegas with all the documents, registration, remote ID etc is getting harassed by the occupants of 6 police cars for flying his drone, every other person passing by is probably carrying a gun because.... "Nevada gun laws allow for the open carry of firearms without the need for a license or registration"
Legal gun carriers get harassed all the time. Our gun laws are so complicated, the police don't know what is legal or not. That is considered a feature as it allows for arresting people who are trying to follow the law. I see parallels with this and drone rules.
As A Legal guy in Las Vegas, with all the documents, registration, remote ID, and regularly doing legitimate commercial Part 107 work in the highly complex airspace system we have here, I have little-to-no concern about every person passing by carrying a gun. My concern would be the 6 uniformed people approaching me with them.
Hey mate it's Luke here I haven't seen you since I was a little kid I use to fly with you guys in tokoroa with Brent and Barry and all of the other older blokes hope your doing well mate my father perry used to by nitro rc planes off you from your big shed lol look after yourself mate cheers
Bruce I think that we need a study showing the damage caused by a bird strike vs the damage caused by the same sized drone strike. If they are comparable then perhaps the same regulations should be applied to drones as are applied to comparable sized birds. Sounds fair don't you think?
Bruce,you know,when an airliner takes off it gets up pretty high within seconds of rotation (V1).It's takes about a minute for an airliner to be already above 2000 feet.The average drone flys way below that altitude.And if indeed the drone was flying within the boundaries of an airport,than it is the fault of the drone operator.The control zone is a 5 nm.,360 degrees around an airport when the control is in operation.If,it's a drone,I'm sorry to say,it's the drone pilot that is in direct violation of FAA regulations.I am an R/C model flyer,and the full scale airport is the LAST place I would be,and never would fly my plane there.Its just common sense to me.I also happen to be a full scale pilot.
We all register our cars. This opens us up to taxation, which eventually becomes punitive. It opens us up to not being able to use roads our taxes have been used to build (see LTNs in the UK). It opens us up to ‘environmental’ taxes that are set at just the level to generate revenue and not change behaviour. In short, governments across the globe know that most people want to comply with the law and then they can be penalised for it forever. Remote piloted aircraft is just the same.
Funny that. We had a discussion at the field today about Remote ID coming to the UK. One argued that we wouldn't need it because we were on a BMFA field. I argued that there is no guarantee that our site would be recognised by the CAA so we might have to have Remote ID anyway. Then the tone changed. 50% said F' that I'm not doing anything wrong. I'm not being spied upon. 30% said I'm not having remote ID and the other 20% stayed quiet. My point being that you have to demonstrate the value of something if you want to get people to accept it. Remote ID is a joke, especially when we have full sized aircraft flying over us at our site that are not required to carry ADSB (Class G airspace).
That is pretty disgusting from the British airline pilots association telling their members that anything they can’t identify should be reported as a drone sighting. What risk are drones to them? It doesn’t put their planes or business at risk in any way. Drones are not a threat, economically or physically.
The guy just didn't wanted to say he hit an UFO, because it sounds crazy, not a bird strike because it sounds lame. a drone... yes the word drone sounds like a proper weapon of mass destruction.
Bird are unmanned and they are aircraft so that makes them a drone. The question is, was the bird flying recreationally or not. Was the bird flying for the fun of it, or to migrate or escape from predators or find food?
If a Boeing 737 MAX reports an strange noise from the airplane... my first thoughts is not a bird or a drone hit..! But rather the fact... that the report comes from a 737 MAX...!?!
You would think the insurance company would 'protest' against the airline, because the false report wastes their time and resources. If it is reported as a drone strike, then the insurance company would have to send investigators to the scene, to try and find evidence to link to a drone user and try and seek reparation for the damage. That's more resources and cost. If it was initially reported 'I don't know what hit us.' then an investigation would probably just look at the damaged area and quickly access it as most likely a bird strike and do a procedural insurance claim. One investigator and straight forward. Less resources and cost. The Insurance Companies ALL deserve a 'kick in the pants.' Maybe an insurance company should make a civil complaint against the airline policy? False reporting is not what Insurance Companies like to receive when claims are filed. There are severe penalties for doing that.
We were not sold a lie. We were forced to buy a lie. The pilot sounded guilty. He was told to say it was a drone but he couldn't force himself to stick to the lie when he knew it was a bird
There is the 'ol' ol' story' of the airline company, that was firing birds into windscreens to test the windscreens effectiveness. After many failures and strengthening of the windscreens, the engineers reported back to the Head Engineer that the windscreens kept failing. After reviewing the test reports, the Head Engineer pointed out the test article (frozen chickens) being fired at the windscreens, should be fully thawed out first. 🐔
Drones striking airlines yeah, but no. Police drone striking GA aircraft on final to land, yep and documented. Seems to me that government operated drones are more of menace to safety then little Johnny with his quad.
Yes you are spot on Bruce unfortunately it’s all turned to shit. I’m glad I’m 71. I don’t think I will like this world in another 10 years it’s all run by people with their own agendas anyway keep up the fight
Reminded of a Mythbusters episode, where they ran drones at ballistic gel to simulate a human neck getting hit by one. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nSjam7AqhzQ.htmlsi=BQaNSMuRloCCC0V-&t=1661 (27:40)
It's pilots to blame. I had a 737 do a flypast over my house at less than 300ft. No-one told me. Oh, it was well advertised on TV they said. 24 hrs earlier they would have hit my drone flying legally at 100m. I deny responsibility for aircraft flying in my airspace without informing me. I am responsible if I fly over 400ft, they are responsible if they fly under.
Pilots will always default to the easiest plausible excuse when it comes to placing blame for anything and drones are the new "whipping boy" go to of excuses...
Don’t hear the animal rights groups make this much fuss about the birds, look at when the birds took out the jet in NYC. Those passengers were really lucky they had Capt Sully land that plane in the water without any loss of life !!!
All those that complied allowed themselves to be lied to. Sorry, not sorry. The writing was on the wall. If you failed to read it properly it is on you.
What other option was there for a lot of people? It may just be a bit of fun to you but for plenty of people it is more than that and they have no option but to comply.
@@conorstewart2214 The options have not changed from the start of these unnecessary and distasteful restrictions and supposing from your comments you were there from the start of this, it is a wonder your asking this question. It is not as you say just some fun for me, you assume to much. I am in the same boat as everyone else in this great hobby. Someone great once said good people disobey bad laws. These are bad laws.
What i am missing here in this whole story is why the pilot thouht he hat hit a drone. Everyone, including Bruce, is assuming he felt or heard something and than immediately thought it was a drone. But itsn’t it also possible that he saw something that looked like a drone to him when the incident happened? Don’t het me wrong, i admire Bruce fot standing up against stupid regulations, and a wrote an email to the council when he asked us to do so a couple of months ago. But with this story we are doing exactly the same that we are accusing pilots and other people of: assuming someone did something because of a biased view…
Why don't you read the comments from airline pilots that have replied on this channel? The pilot was 'instructed by the airline to report all strikes as drones.' Not only is it a falsification of an Insurance Claim, it is also 'mis-information', which is passed on by the news reporters, who do not verify their story's like the should.
@@David-yo5ws”verify the story” like you say indeed is very important. From both sides… Someone who is saying he is/was a pilot and had to report such incidents as drone collisions could be telling the truth, or could be lying. And i have no way to verify that 😕
Sounds like YOU have an agenda. The difference between a bird strike and a drone strike is birds are natural, while people are behind drones. It's crazy to think no one is responsible when it is possible that people ignore the warnings all the time. So, for you to eliminate drone strikes and all pilots have an agenda.
They are not delivering food or anything else with a drone. How do I know? I have a friend who works in high and databases for an insurance company. We talk online. Guess what the cost estimates for ensuring an operation like that are. Well, it is astronomical. What do you think happened to Alaska Airlines? When the door plug blew out. I was told their liability insurance company would be paying out millions of dollars for that little accident. The drone goes crazy and crashes into a car the car crashes into a house. That's all it'll take.
It was much more likely to be a piece of a certain aircraft manufacturer's aircraft falling from above....there seem to be a lot of 'incidents' recently with pieces falling off or breaking off a certain brand of aircraft. The FAA would do better to look at these 'incidents' instead. Jerry
