United And Liverpool Fans Pick An All-Time Combined XI (Ft. Thogden) | The Eleven |  

Yo, do you even know football? Where is Giggs? Totally unacceptable. Are you kids or what? Go play fifa and leave real football pls.

Vidic two time ( the player of the season ) no defender have ever done that in the Premier league. Where is he in your stupid lineup. Otherwise you must do 5 or 11 players as subs if you don't mention these players, totally unacceptable!

NO NO NO totally unacceptable, recreate the video and don't forget Giggs next time . How dare you? Unforgivable.

@@moe.moe.codgamer5125 Men who beats up women are not allowed on any team. Sorry not sorry. His legacy is trashed now. He'll be remembered for nothing but a brute.

@@KTK44 Idc about his attitude outside of the pitch. I care about what he has done AS A PLAYER, which is our discussion here, so go away.

Tbh they need to be if it’s all time premier league eta

Grizz is a legend

both were awesome, respecting each others opinion

@HONEST MAN UTD FAN Don't be a clown. Some fans just have the right behavior and you can respect them, even if it's a rival

Grizz is a class act

Gerrard had the most EPL team of the year inclusions and this was whilst Scholes and Keane were in the league. As a United fan, I hate how much I like Gerrard

Clearly not a United fan. Shut up

Totally agree. I'm a united fan too. Liverpool fan respected the right choice.

Yep you know ball mate

Peak Fergie and Mou wanted Gerrard. Says it all really.

I feel like if the Liverpool fan had been a bit more firm he could have gotten more players in the team but I don’t think he cares because he just wanted to have a calm debate

@@Hekka101 Nah I think the ratio was spot on.

@@r4h4al i think you are a bit of a weirdo

@@Hekka101 Pretty sure he's not trying to "ratio" u

@@source2531 well whether he is trying or not he isnt

Legend Grizz

Great work Grizz! Absolutely did us proud.

Top class as always grizz! The best representative for us Liverpool fans on social media as always 👍

Man knows his stuff...always great watching your football chats

You did really well mate. I feel Alison could have gotten in the team because he will likely continue his successes into his mid to late 30's and if you have Van Dijk you gotta have Alison.

Completely agree, think in that utd, arsenal one, Andy Tate missed a beat, they went into stats for those seasons and Rooney had more assists than bergkamp had g+a that season

Only deluded English fans think Rooney is better then Bergkamp

@@GhengisGoon he is better you're the delusional one

In the arsenal one the united fan couldn’t even debate cos the arsenal fan was delusional and wouldn’t hear anyones opinion

@@GhengisGoon lmao. Would you believe me if the footballing world considers arsenal fans some of the most difficult, childish and awkward people to talk to? I don't think you would. I think aftv is a good representation of you lot and i dont mean that in a nice way. And Rooney slightly edges bergkamp tbf.

he did say that he was learning from them two when they were talking about Irwin, tbf Thogden's still young it is to be expected

Its cos Thogden is drinking beer, it went to his head🍺. He should've asked for a glass of water 🤣

@@dillonsass6609 half a pint

@@amir22872 shouldn’t be on there

@@amir22872 he should've educated himself beforehand. And Jaap Stam isn't a particularly obscure player. And this guy has a football channel as well. Basically knows about players from the last 10 years and that's it the absolute joker.

Ronaldo out cantona in

@@theanfieldsultan Ronaldo one season was better than eric cantona whole career

Are you a kid just started watching football yesterday? How can you agree while the greatest player of the Premier history isn't here? Ryan Giggs. Go play fifa kids ok leave real football pls don't make people laugh at you.

@@moe.moe.codgamer5125 if you think giggs was better than ronaldo then you need to give your head a wobble. He was never the best player in the league at any point of his career. Never even really that close

@@BigWes95 yo, they are talking about the Premier league not La Liga, are you dumb enough or dont listen to their video? Ronaldo spent most of his career and achievements in la liga. Give yourself 2 minutes to learn about Ryan Giggs pls 😂😭

Right 😂 probably never seen half of these players play, or in their prime at least

Yeah the guy is clueless

Big mistake he’s an absolute crumpet

Making thogden a judge in something involving Ronaldo is plain dumb

😂 The guy is 21 years old! He was born in 2001. There is no way his seen majority of the Man Utd players play.

Nothing about anyone on Redmen is fair and objective

@@pacman7687 why you such a hater man you are everywhere 😂 why do you even watch rival channels and expect them to be objective.

@@amolmehrotra1296 because everyone has a brain and can be rational, just cousers mainly cant manage it

@@pacman7687 yeah like Buvey right? He is the most biased football commentator out there and represents Man city as much Redmen represents Liverpool, but I have never seen you once comment below his videos yet you are here. So you are just biased, hypocrite and non rational as others, according to your logic you are also a couser congrats 😂

@@amolmehrotra1296 Mate theres a huge difference. Buvey's almost there for comedy, Redmen is a serious channel. BUvey's footballing opinions are nonsense and no one takes anything seriously. Theres plenty of great City youtube channels that "represent" us, not Buvey

Calm down gethin

I will be bitter if someone’s picking Gerrard over Scholes too lol

Its bloody annoying as! 🤣

@HONEST MAN UTD FAN True. Most of them don't even have that so lets just enjoy these episodes. Only hoping liverpool to play well this weekend as we all know liverpool don't play their best football against teams at the bottom 😅

@@PPTheKop not true. Last year we played our best football against teams in the bottom and barely took any points against the top 4

Nah Adam was too biased. And i'm a united fan

@@EE-kt8sh I’m a united fan as well but our legends are better than Liverpool in most positions so it makes sense for him to argue for united the only player who gets in is gerrard imo

@@barbarasband6818 nah bro, that's ridiculous, the comment was about putting aside bias and you've gone and said that

@@meldyrum4545 what u mean how has Trent got in van dijk maybe but I’d take Vidic and salah I’d rather have ronaldo and then take giggs on the left

@@barbarasband6818 I'm gonna break this down one by one. Firstly: Trent ,as was said, completeley revolutionised the right back role. that players are expected to fit into nowadays. The numbers he puts up in termsn of assists Xa and chances created are ridicoulos for a midfielder let alone a defender. I know you'll bring up defending, but contrary to popular belief trent excels in this area producing the second-third best defensive statistics per 90 in the prem last season for right backs, the only thing he lacks is defensive awareness. Secondly: Vidic was an amazing player but he is glorifies over his highlights reels where he made unnecessary slide tackles that he didn't need to make or could have been prevented earlier. As well as this Vidic always had frerdinand or another world class defender next to him, Van Dijk when he came in had an average matip, joe gomez and lovren as his partenr and still managed to lead liverpool to a league title and a champions league by transforming that defense. Van dijk also managed to finish 2nd in the ballondor behind the greatest of all time in one of his best ever seasons, from centre back. Thats insane and vidic never managed anything close. Thirdly: Salah has played 5 going on 6 impeccable seasons, ronaldo had 3 good seasons at united, salah also holds the goalscoring record in the premier league, beating rolando, and also beating him for assists in almost all of his years as well. Salah while not as good at useless stepovers or dribbling is positionally the better attacker and wouldv'e also won a ballondor had he won the 2018 champions league final instead of Madrid. To add to this giggs while it wasn't his role, scored more than 10 goals in a season only twice over 21 seasons, and scored less than 5 in over 10 off those seasons, salah has also put up more numbers in assists and creatively in general, and while giggs was less of a direct attacking threat and more of a midfielder in a 4-4-2 he lacked any dazzling technical ability and did not have the ability to dictate the tempo or the run of play. Putting away bias the team presented is very good and perfect in my opinion.

As a united fan of 31 years. Your bang on. He’s to bias, football fan before my team, and you just can’t deny great players regardless of who they play for.

True. he just wanna put out united best 11 might as well put George best. Yeay 11 players from man united. No need for discussion. Thats the problem of some united fans

McKola is one of the most arrogant fans out there.

Am I the only one that thinks Howson is worse than McKola? As a UTD fan I think both are insufferable tho

@TheRealJimmySaville Don't know how I'm being salty, im an arsenal fan so I just watch it because I want to hear a discussion beyond delusional tribalism, I guess that's salty nowadays lol.

Isn't he supposed to do what he wants after retirement.

Exactly at the end not in his prime....its a Shame gorge best was nt in the conversation

@@arjinaasad2383 this was before retirement

Most idiotic child comment I’ve come accross

@@khumeighalo406 premier league era sadly, otherwise it would easily be George Best for me

I take it as you support united or I don't think you would of said that

@@Lisa-cj8cu Nah, anyone would say that. Trent and Van Dijk doesn't deserve to even be mentioned when it comes to this. Adam went easy.

@@Davey768 Yes they do

Liverpool is writing history as we speak 🗣 these premiership greats aren’t done yet so its unfair to judge

@@Lisa-cj8cu I support Liverpool. But as I said most of the players are still playing. They've been great, but "only" won 1 PL and 1 CL title. But they've mostly been here 4-5 years. A lot of the best United players were playing for them for 10 years. So in 5 years some of the Liverpool players might have 5 new trophies, or some might get worse and be sold... We don't know yet

Irish Guy on Newcastle debate, that would be awesome!

this is literally a team based on bygone days.. if there's a time to vibe on them, it's here

How can one love McKola?

@@dettwork shouldnt be basing it off trophies

@@alirazajafree3119 shouldn’t be an in all time premier league XI if you never won it. Why would i want gerrard in my combined 11 when he doesn’t know what its like to win a title, how can i trust him? How can i trust him on final day to perform? How do i know he won’t bottle it?

@@alirazajafree3119 yeah, otherwise there'd be no Liverpool players in it at all, but at the same time being a standout player in a team that won 3 in a row has to be better than being a standout player in a team that didn't win it at all?

He did reasonably ok at not coming off as a total bellend

@@InsideJob2001 The Interview with Ben Foster and Goldbridge made him unbearable

@@blackholesupersloth3276 He generally is unbearable but looks like LadBible told him to chill out

McKola being McKola. The usual.

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I think vingil and ferdie looks similar players can't complement each other ,I will go with one of them+vidic..Torres of Liverpool my striker

ST: Suarez

@@kingsleyinno3762 shouldnt be basing combination 11s on playing styles, youre comparing players of completely different eras and teams so its a useless take unfortunately

Or CF: Cantona

Correct to a certain point. You have to look at reasons why certain players didn't win trophies and a rationale as to why they would be selected over someone who has a history of trophies.

It has to be a combination of both trophies and how good they were/are on their day, but trophies should always have the edge. How they are/were as players can make way for more subjective opinions which is hard to quantify for a fair debate. For example someone like Gary Neville was never the most easy on the eye as a player but he was efficient and remained efficient for over a decade, if Trent stops performing now he doesn't get ahead of Gary Neville all time regardless of how good he's been so far. Just like Henderson has been a greater Midfielder in the PL as compared to someone like say Modrić in the PL who was overall more gifted and went on to have an overall greater career, not to say he wasn't good for Spurs but Henderson in the PL has been greater than Modrić in the PL.

Cristiano is the reason man u revived and won that 3 peat of Prems.

@@FatTodd bs comment u must be either a kid or a fanboy to say that lmao

@@manojcm7567 how am I fanboy. London clubs in Chelsea and arsenal were running the prem, 3 years without a title ppl were saying fergue is done out. Ronaldo comes back from world cup a man, destroyed the league 3 years in a row, with the 07/08 season the best individual season in prem history. Arsenal were close to getting Ronaldo and that could have changed the course of our history. So when I massively rate Ronaldo, I have good reason. If he came to us, we would have won more.

Ur the only mad one here. What are u 14? Someone didnt watch beckham. Far better footballer. U want athlete okay salahs faster and stronger, what footballing traits are better than beckham tho? He certainly doesnt have anything that stands out as much as beckhams passing ahead of his counterpart

@_biggaz You don't know football just sit down man. Salah is better goal scorer, better dribbler, had more assists. Only idiot united fans or english people would take him over Salah

That’s why it’s an all time team

Then United would still destroy them

@@XavierJAlexander it should have been all time 11, meaning taking into account the likes of ian rush and kenny dalglish

@@alirazajafree3119 Then United would take into account Best, Charlton, Law etc

@@alirazajafree3119 Liverpool would win that hands down

not everyone has that random opinion

Lit only the Liverpool fan did this, that utd fan bias as they come

@@klassed234 just like liverpool simps

Sorry but Messi vs. Ronaldo isn’t preference, it’s a litmus test for knowledge of the sport and anyone who says Ronaldo fails the test miserably.

Did we watch the same video? Cuz even the judge was biased

I hope u having seen vvd saying to Rio , u are ahead of me

@@Mmm-ix7eh he really wasn't, there's a man utd fan right there who didn't bring up Vidic

@@Mmm-ix7eh hahaha good one

@@gamingscout592 I have, and VVD was being humble, Rio literally laughed because he knows

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I like this, the least 3 years of his first stint were amazing, but Salah has more of less matched plus an extra year. There's a tendency of including his time at Madrid, where he was a different level altogether.

@@bri1085 equally I think people forget he actually did enter his peak at United; winning the Ballon d'or in '08... where he was absolutely incredible. But yeah, most of his peak wasnt at united; hence as I suggested, I do think you can assess them both by those two distinct criteria.

They were talking about premier league impact. Therefore it's Salah?

@@mj200 Why the question mark? 😅

@@telmolicious excellent point

Defends as well as cancelo..

It’s funny how Barca, Real, Liverpool and Bayern fans will all agree a full back nowadays don’t need to be sound defensively, rather be a creative force attacking yet it’s just Utd fans who’ll disagree and say a full back has to be firstly good defensively… even every top manager like Pep, Klopp etc will agree

Im a united fan but TAA is different gravy

He was super sub. So definitely should be the first of the bench when this team is down 1-0 🤣

Just don't put Suarez & Evra in one team

Not even a chance because there’s only 1 player that plays rn, can replace this team and it’s kdb

Why, Neville was average

@@justin3008 so is Trent. He just works in that Liverpool team, in any other team he'd be very average

@@justin3008 At least Neville could defend

@@AntonGranbo u can’t call a kid who’s that young averaging 10+ assists average

yeah true only people who watch football puts trent there no debate

Noway your saying it’s a debate between Neville and TAA? It was even the easiest decision for mcKola in this whole video, Neville was a solid player and would run through brick walls for United but player to player Trent is far superior

@@PontyP is he bollocks. Neville’s easily the best RB in premiership history. Trent’s not even top 5!

@@michaelduckett7688 Noway you just said that? Best right back in PL history? No past or present player is even putting him anywhere near they’re best 11 they’ve played with

Agreed,

Well said

Nah Trent's style is different. Alves locked off the whole right wing by himself because barca never lost the ball

But Trent has done it better

In terms of the Premier League..

Did Dani Alves play in the Premier League?

@Hypolite Izerimana i love playing against Trent in Fifa.....shit ass defender but no cap Trent is a real G and i would to see him win more even as a United Fan

Over a career in terms of achievement and statistics and even ability I think anybody who watches football would say Suarez was a better player over his career BUT you can’t argue Rooneys significance in the Prem. Had Suarez done a decade in England he would probably have surpassed Henry as the best to do it in England.

They should have put Rooney in the 10 and put Suarez as a striker.

Rooney is there in the centre forward.

@@mainakdas4305 I know, I'm agreeing he deserves to be in there over Suarez. But it's very close

@@InsideJob2001 bro Suarez is the best centre forward in our generation. But in Premier League it has to be Rooney but Rooney is an all-rounder. I agree that. Also he can able to play in different postions that makes him one of the best forward in the history of Premier League.

@@mainakdas4305 yeah, and Suarez' best season is better than Rooney best season

salah is no wear near man u ronaldo, there's just no way you actually believe that

😂

U must be 6 do you remember young ronaldo at Man Utd

@@paulcris107 I clearly remember watching him in Man U from 2006 to 2007 😹

That's the only way he can get most United players in. If I was in this debate I would just say yes full 11 United squad because it's based on what you win and not just on ability. Would have been a 30 second video if I was there 😂

The thumbnail is dreadful.

this is the perfect team

Fair although I'd sneak Carrick in 👀

@@bri1085 😂 not a chance Alonso, Keane, way ahead of him in the pecking order

@@michaelcorleonejr I'm deadly serious too, he's the player Scholes became after and retired.

@@bri1085 Carrick an average player imo

He’s pretty good here

Cuz we are better

deluded🤣

@@memesmemes5452 Let me hear your team then😂

If ur talking about them in their prime suarez miles better, but premier league 11 u have to give it to Rooney for longevity and accolades

No if your talking prime then suarez is better from a united fan but in terms of longevity in the prem and overall, rooney is better

Feel bad for these 2 for having Thogden next to them

nah he's just rubbish, rory's clear

@@adnanhaid3r1 Rory 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Exactly that’s what I was sayin the whole vid, you put it exactly how I was thinking. In 10 years I recon most of Liverpool’s players with be better than the Utd team, if we carry on playing how we are now. it’s just hard to argue because of the success of the entire Utd team

what do you mean he had no longevity he went on to play for other clubs and still be very successful and won trophies

@@Lisa-cj8cu Yh we’re talking about the prem era

Bruh what do you mean no longevity after he destroyed with Barcelona

@@Mcnuggets256 yeah it prem era, and he had none compared to the Utd team

Because it's easier as it's only been around for the last 30 years so most of us can remember the era etc, and it's the 30th year anniversary. Be unfair on players like law, best etc as barely anybody has seen them play.