Really curious about how aggressive ancient super aryans 2 will be towards archaeologists. It's a bit sad that neo got wrapped up in it. Keep the good fight going ^^
Honestly I’ve always thought archaeologist-chic was dope haha. I do remember as a kid always thinking Dr. Alan Grant in Jurassic Park was super cool (he’s got paleontologist-chic, it’s a subculture lol), though I just googled photos of him… the hat and denim shirt are still cool but I totally forgot he wore a red bandana around his neck, a cute little neckerchief 😂, not sure about that… though, as I am thinking about it, to confidently wear a neckerchief requires a specific type of person. Also it doubles as a tourniquet when you get attacked by velociraptors.
@@avengemybreath3084Nah, msnbc & Joe both agree that mega-corporations like msnbc should be given tax breaks & the poor/middle class should pay for them.
57:32 Steven's hesitance regarding whether it was Galileo who figured out that the solar system was heliocentric is warranted; it was Copernicus rather than Galileo who first laid out the theory (though it was in fact Galileo who later popularized the theory through conflict with the Catholic Church).
Galileo's study and championing of a then 100 year old Copernican heliocentrism idea is what I was heading to the comments to add, but you beat me to it!
Fair, but there is a reason why Aristarchus' hypothesis some 1800 years before Galileo wasn't believed or widespread by his contemporaries, and why Roman Catholic Church banned Copernicanism in 1616 and not "Aristarchism". My point was largely referring to Steven's moment of pause with "wait, was it Galileo really?" because I mirrored that reaction; so I would posit that the point of hesitance and dispute, stands.
@@zeljkokrajnovic165 just to add, because I think its funny. A reason why the Aristarchus heliocentric model was ignored was because Plato, if I remember correctly, "debunked" it by saying "if the earth is rotating we'd have constant high speed winds due to the rotation" or something. There were plenty of astronomers around the world that introduced heliocentric models but lacked the technology to explain the firmament, and other observed "truths"
I'll be honest, I thought Bridges was ok prior to this, but wasn't doing anything new Actually bridging two influential people in social media spheres with similar goals This was honestly really cool
I was honestly worried the couple clips of these two together were all we’d get, like some BTS footage from their individual podcasts or something. I can’t wait to listen to them both go on about this stuff with you guys. Please tell me this is like a 3 hour pod 😂
@@DannyIMCFoh nice! I tuned in while live and just clicked back to the start, but I didn’t even look at the time remaining or anything. Glad I’ve got something to listen to tonight before bed 🎉🎉
@@im1fadedRob I heard reference to Flint but didn’t know him before the Rogan debate. Milo’s brilliant too, love seeing them come together to combat nonsense.
The "everybody knows what a horse is" quote is from New Athens' by Father Benedykt Chmielowski. Considered the first Polish encyclopedia. The phrase is now a traditional saying in Poland.
I love that flint gives Milo space to speak and at no point is pulling rank or being dismissive. As another note! You guys are really hitting your stride! These episodes keep getting better!
Yessssss I was like uh this sounds familiar, the rewriting of history by conquistadors/one guy, and then she says his name and im like OMG IT WAS ACTUALLY FROM HIM
As soon as they started talking about alexandria I thought "THE PIE MAN SAID THOSE WERE LIEEES, WEEP NOT IN THE FALSE FIRE BUT MOURN THE LOSS IN THE CONQUEST" I love how extra that guy gets
Thank you so much for bringing together Flint and Milo! Seeing them together is an incredible crossover and seeing them be able to bounce off of eachother was amazing
Omg i love this arc, this is so important today, archology is a great subject, it has all kinds of fake history, conspiracy theories, debunking conservatives/religious beliefs/claims, and most importantly methodology of scientific inquiry
With how many people now don’t believe in dinosaurs which is so easy to prove true, we need people like this to make these conspiracy weirdos look stupid.
Commenting for engagement. Watched quite a few of the bridges podcasts and this is by far the best set so far (including the previous 2 interviews with both flint and Milo as well). Keep it up 👍
I think about Rome, Alexandria TWICE! the Tigris river, the spanish conquest of central and south America... my heart breaks with those losses... not to mention the ones we just dont know about...
On the subject of man made vs natural rock formations: it’s quite often pointed out by pseudo-dudes that “straight lines and right angles never (or very rarely) occur in nature, so it MUST be made.” To an extent it’s kind of true. You don’t generally see “perfectly” straight lines and right angles in nature…except where you almost ALWAYS do. Take crystalline structures for example, they VERY often form “perfect” lines and angles and “polished”-like surfaces because it’s the NATURE of that material to do so. Basalt columns, as far as I’ve seen, are pretty much always extremely straight, angular, often “uniform” in shape, because that’s the NATURE of that material. It is extremely rare, except when it isn’t.
The Premodernist would be a very fitting guest for the podcast. He’s pushed back against pseudo-archeological exaggerations like the burning of Alexandria and even more modern stuff like flag revisionism.
what a good panel and i have to say it's so refreshing having an intelligent conversation with experts who are passionate about their field, the whole anti-establishment/intellectualism grift so many channels on youtube and joe rogan are peddling is so tiring and needs to stop
@@BridgesStudio because I love mythology, archaeology, history, language, religion, etc., virtually everything I get is some pseudoscientific nonsense. For every legit outlet for any of those there seem to be a thousand pseudoscience outlets.
As an archaeologist, I'll make the point that museums that store relics of cultures with no known descendant groups function effectively as respectful keeping places. We are not hoping there is no one left so that we can put artefacts into a museum, we use museums as safe, sacred, respectful repositories to celebrate cultural diversity and allow more to be known about past cultures. Also: Really appreciated the Renfrew and Bahn shoutout! That was my first year textbook and it's a fantastic book and Renfrew still sometimes hangs out around my department
People being conspiracy theorists and pseudo scientists has little to do with missing knowledge, it is a psychological phenomenon. These people want to be more important and interesting by having secret knowledge. That`s why you can`t convince them that their theories are false, they don`t care about fact or reality, they care about the importance and belonging they gain by believing and communicating these theories. It`s still really useful to debunk these theories so that people who just have little knowledge don`t fall into them, but you probably won`t convince the people who are spreading them. It`s also really interesting to learn about actual archeology through debunking, because you automatically have the "wrong conclusion" as a contrast to what the archeologists actually found, which makes it more interesting.
This is a huge part of the equation that a lot of people forget. Conspiracy theories feed into delusions of self-importance and superiority, so truth and reality are never going to be able to break through to someone who is acting out of that desire. But it can definitely help observers and passers-by to understand what's real.
But it's important to debunk it with accurate facts. Flint stated in this podcast that the destruction of the Library of Alexandria was a "nothing-burger" and that monks had copied everything beforehand. He pointed to the wiki of the Library of Alexandria, however when you carefully read it, it actually says nothing like this. Here are the 2 quotes that he somehow mixed up: "It is possible most of the material from the Library of Alexandria survived, by way of the Imperial Library of Constantinople, the Academy of Gondishapur, and the House of Wisdom." This doesn't mean that we know for sure this was the case, it just said it's possible. Also from the wiki: "The library's index, Callimachus' Pinakes, has only survived in the form of a few fragments, and it is not possible to know with certainty how large and how diverse the collection may have been." As for the monks he mentioned: "Ironically, the survival of ancient texts owes nothing to the great libraries of antiquity and instead owes everything to the fact that they were exhaustingly copied and recopied, at first by professional scribes during the Roman Period onto papyrus and later by monks during the Middle Ages onto parchment." But this doesn't reference the Library directly and is just a general statement about all ancient texts. There was a lot of this in Flint's debate with Graham aswell, where he provided evidence, which wasn't really accurate and painted a somewhat wrong picture. There's no shame in admitting that you don't know something, especially when you are on big podcasts, where thousands or even millions of people listen to you and most won't look up the stuff you say.
It’s powerful to create your own cool crowd. Even if shown evidence to disprove the conspiracy it’s hard to fight against the pull of the group think. Especially from a group you created like Graham.
@@xAtiyoxthat bit about the index kind of implies we maybe shouldn’t be so upset about it because we don’t really know that the collection was all that extensive. If the library was just full of tax documents and treaties between nations people wouldn’t have the emotional response they have to the loss of poetry, histories, and stories. It’s an emotional response not one of logic, logic understands fire and flood are part of history and level of loss is to be expected.
Yas, we had a family friend that started talking nonsense about "planet Phaeton" and later I found out he's a member of "Order of Zodiak", which consider themselves real heirs the the Knights Templar and they're doing mental excercises projecting sphers or blocks of some color into people or land or whatever to "stop natural disasters like quakes, tsunamis and tornadoes occurring", to which I asked, but Odesa is on North Black sea, it's so calm you can't surf, there's NO large winds or quakes here EVER, to which he answered: EXACTLY! Guise using this logic it's me a Ukrainian supervixen witch stopping your house from falling on your head, bow down to me! xD
Ya sadly replicas usually are given to the place of origin and not museum that made them. I'm part indigenous and my tribe has a sacred meteor that is currently held by the natural history museum in New York. They made a replica and gave my tribe one of the replicas and the other is on display at a local collage. Edit: typo.
57:37 The first person to formally propose the heliocentric model was Nicolas Copernicus, who wrote about it around 1510. (About 50 years before Galileo was born)
As someone who works alongside the Amish in PA. They do use power tools and gas generators but they learn young and work hard. A 20x20 gazebo goes up in one day easy. A 4 bedroom house frame goes up 1-2 days. Impressive.
There’s a lot of different kinds of Amish and Mennonites, some will use some electricity like that, other won’t even use metal shirt buttons because it’s a modern invention.
Destiny was talking about Persian yakhchāls. Basically using evaporative cooling in desert climates to create ice that they could store in essentially ancient freezers. Dates back thousands of years.
I do not think any of this passive cooling thing was ever efficient enough to produce ice. There are many records of ice being collected in winter and then stored until summer, but do not know of any claiming ice being produced in summer temperatures. I would love to be proven wrong thou.
@@grzegorzach3891 Im not an expert I'm just going off what I read on wikipedia. Maybe there are more scholarly resource that refute it but I think a key aspect is that night temperatures in some desert regions drop drastically. No clue if there is a seasonal aspect to that that just wasn't mentioned though.
I've really enjoyed these three videos now (this one and the two with Flint and Milo separately) i was already a big fan of Milo, but im also a fan of Flint too. The vibe between everyone in the room was absolutely amazing, packed full of information, and also really entertaining and engaging. Being able to talk about things in a serious tone, while also making jokes always makes for a really entertaining and easy to watch video.
1:35:15 "Everyone can see what a horse is." (pol. Koń jaki jest, każdy widzi). It's actually a quote from the first Polish encyclopedia authored by the 18th-century Polish priest Benedykt Chmielowski. It's such a popular quote that it became an idiom in Poland.
@@TheGahta Greece was a part of the Ottoman Empire when a lot of the “stolen” stuff came into British possession, notoriously some famous statues as a sort of good will gesture were sold to a British guy after the British played a major role in stopping Napoleon’s attempted conquest of the Middle East (which mostly took part in Ottoman territories) and negotiated the French army’s retreat, the idea being that the British didn’t steal them because they purchased them from the Turks, who would then be at fault for stealing them from the then subjugated Greeks
Something to consider in the discussion of German WW2 artifacts; from here in Maritime Archaeology land, in the US, we have the Sunken Military Craft Act, and that's an agreement that we have with nations like Germany, Japan, and the UK that have warships lost during combat in US territorial waters. There are many German U-boats sunk off the east coast of the United States, and the law treats these places as embassies. German U-boats can be explored, but if they were going to have artifacts removed, permission must be granted by the German government. Some folks had designs on raising these submarines to be made into a museum, and they were prevented from doing so because this law treats these sites as what they are, a war grave.
That was a great episode, I liked Flint coming back with a question for Destiny and Erudite. Might be fun to have guests interview the hosts too! Flint is also a good name for an archaeologist.
DJ PEACH COBBLER MENTIONED!!! Hes stuff is well researched and he cites his sources so yea hes pretty spot on thank you Erudite for watching my favorite youtuber of 2024
In relation to burial goods, there was an interesting discovery concerning Vikings funeral clothes a while back. For a time researchers assumed that the clothes Vikings were buried in, were their best clothes from real life (imagine the best dress / suit you would own today). But it was discovered in I believe ibn Fadlan's record of his travel to Volga Bulgaria that at least 1/3 of the entire wealth of a dead person would go into making special funerary clothes, which is like spending the worth of an house and all its surrounding land on these garments. Which just goes to show how certain items from the past can be specifically made to be buried for religious reasons and not be representative of the daily items the people of the past would have used.
I love what Milo brings up here at 1:53:18. Pseudo-anything is almost always associated with "well why don't we know right now". Pseudo archeology wants the perfect explanation immediately which is just the opposite of how science works. I think the reason pseudo science is proliferating is 1) instant access to confirmation bias & 2) modern society is impatient & expects fast delivery of results. Archeology is not McDonald's.
Twenty years in museums and adjacent, @FlintDibble is spot on even with his imitation of the tone of "it's in our building, it's ours" thing. That's exactly what it is. Museum tribalism is an application of Sayer's Law. The intensity of feeling is inversely proportional to the significance of what's being discussed. The costs of reproducing stolen artifacts is insignificant, and the public would receive the same effect. It's all about it being inside of a tribal holding, and it cannot be given to another tribe.
Destiny joking about where was Jesus's body makes me think how great it would be to have Bart D. Ehrman on the show. Destiny exploring Christian history would be so entertaining.
DJ peachbcobbler is the best game essayist historical commentator Edit: this is exactly what I wanted from Bridges. Talking to experts about specifics in their field. More of this 🙏
I clicked on this one a bit passively. Didn't think I would be watching this one for most of my work shift but I am :) Set looks great BTW. The sheet diffracting the window light helps a ton. (easy fill light can be diffracted off a ceiling without a box BTW. Easy to fill a room with soft light while saving space. )
YEEAHH! I don't know that DJ peach cobbler would be a guest you guys would be interested in having but I think it would be awesome to seem him on this podcast.
i love the idea of a 3D virtual musuem where they fully 3d scan every find when the tech is good enough to capture every grain of info on each piece . would make artifacts for study SOOOO much more accessable
I could listen to so many episodes with Flint and/or Milo. Great individual interviews. Great interview together. It's so rare to have four people on a podcast and not just end up with people cutting each other off, talking over one another, or have people never finish their point because the others have gone off on a tangent. Great job from everyone on this!
I really think SciMan Dan would be a good guest to have after these two since his channel is built around applying science to conspiracy theories as well
This was incredibly well done and thorough. It was such a breath of fresh air to hear so many great replies to well thought questions, with barely a sentence of cross-talk and no arguing. This episode could be titled "Thinking About How People Think: We Have Some Thoughts" It was terrific!
14:15 this makes me so happy, we lost like 500 books at Alexandria lmao, but people act like we literally had the archives of human intelligence in there like it was some sort of internet archive of every page ever created. It was basic, defunct, and wasn't even the best library at the time of its demise.
Take a drink whenever Steven complains about that "people think" or Kyla says shes super-curious. Or when Flint says If you see what mean 😂 Edit: i have my go-to phrases and hangups aswell, ppl would probably get real drunk around me 😂
The Benin bronzes are a complicated subject. They were made from bronze ingots produced by the spanish in their colonies and used to purchase slaves from community leaders in Benin. They were then stolen by the British, sold to various people. Some were purchased by Jewish businessmen in Germany and stolen by the government between 1938 and 1945, then passed through various owners before being owned by museums. It's a complete bag of knots. Should they be given back to the people that made them, to the people they enslaved, to the people they were stolen from in WW2?
Germany gave its Benin Bronzes back and instead of being put into a museum, they immediately got sold to the private collection of the old noble family. So maybe don’t give any more back.
@@Adsper2000 Yeah, that's the unfortunate reality of repatriation. In some instances, repatriation makes sense (returning the Parthenon marbles to Greece, for example), but repatriating artifacts to unstable parts of the world (like the Middle-East or Central Africa) are at risk of being lost or destroyed.
This is such a good episode it made me want to go back and watch more of this show. This is like the non-conspiracy version of the JRE. I love the variety of the shows.
In regards to traveling museum exhibits, there probably are some museums that are not set up to house certain things but probably more can handle exhibits than you would think. My hometown museum (in Baton Rouge, Louisiana) is not particularly large or well funded but always had a collection of traveling exhibits that cycled through. In fact they only had one artifact that belonged to the museum. Everything else was always on loan from somewhere else. Mostly from other US museums but I distinctly remember seeing a display of tribal masks that were on loan from an African nation. It’s definitely doable I think but it does require a high degree of cooperation, sensitivity and honesty. I hope we see more of that kind of thing because it’s honestly so awesome.
Loving these videos lately. Decoding the gurus introduced me to destiny, and like them, I've pretty impressed by your stuff. Can I request you get mick west on? He's a ufo sceptic. I think you'll like him a lot.
They hate europeans. All Steven’s media formats are Europhobic. AE starts at 1-2 AM, finishes by 4-5 AM and is taken offline by 6-7 AM. Even a top g like me getting up at 5:30 to go to the gym will never make it through the podcast. I think Steven does this on purpose because we have culture, food and tradition. Steven hates the idea of mediterranean food, because it doesn’t conform to his core philosophy. He has become one with the United States. He’s a melting pot. And by releasing podcasts at ridiculous hours he wants us to melt too. If it were up to him we would not drink red but boba tea or soy. And we would eat fried oreos like the caricatures that they are.
Recently watched a video about how we put the James Webb Telescope into space and the extreme mathematical precision that took and I will never not be amazed that people think we couldn't lift big blocks.
