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Having been trained in threat recognition, I was able to spot Brent probably 70% of the time before he got shots off in the video except for when behind very dense concealment or micro terrain, however I could only spot Scott about 40% of the time sometimes in light concealment like grass. Dying the old UCPs is definitely an ingenious way to improve the performance in a specific environment
As a Canadian soldier I went down to Georgia a couple times with the US National Guard. Doing night patrols with them in UCP I learned one surprising benefit: we were at no risk of getting separated from the Americans in the dark.
Don't forget they copied your homework but somehow made it even worse that's the UCP camo in my opinion but the USMC did it better with their marpat camo
@sonar357 yeah, but the army tested it too. They even tested it against the old patterns, something like marpat, and even multicam. That's what makes it so dumb
@@arturg.j.167 Actually, it's even dumber than that: Marketability! The U.S. Army was on the verge of adopting a pattern called Desert Brush Stroke when all of a sudden, the USMC rolls out MARPAT. Suddenly the USMC had this sexy cool camo, and the U.S Army didn't want to look behind the times with a more traditional looking camo. So UCP gets rushed to production under EXTREMELY shady circumstances (we're talking a turnaround time for testing of less than a year - it took something like half a decade of testing for Desert Brush Stroke) and suddenly the U.S Army has its own, super sexy, super futuristic camo that they slap on all of their marketing, safety of its soldiers be damned.
The worst pattern the Army ever adopted. Amazing how Bruce transformed it, that dyed color blended in perfectly in that environment. Apple green rit, got it.
@@joeblow9657 I've heard of some guys trying to dirty em up with mud but that's it still didn't work to good in the sun .really is odd why they chose that crappy camo
They're actually fairly effective in mountainous transitional environments where woodland/multicam/MARPAT and desert patterns would stand out too much. theres actually a picture floating around of an Army infantryman behind cover in UCP and it does a good job blending in the environment.
@MentrySK not after it is faded... the pixilation digital patterns are slightly different but you cant tell the difference at a distance unless you know what it is. Russian camouflage is made by a nation, this is customized converted and hardly any difference at distance.
@@lorenzodemonteclaro1301 I do have a few sets, SS-Leto, Oreh, Digital Flora, Berezka and Yagel, they all work really well in woods, except for Oreh but that looks really good
Add vinegar to the dye if you are dying gear, the acid in the vinegar is necessary for the nylon gear to absorb the dye. about one cup vinegar, give or take, for a bottle of dye.
wyomarine not everything comes from stores big man. You can make your own which is usually of thicker/ stronger consistency (from my experience). I don’t know why this has to be a point of contention for you, and I don’t know how you can compare vinegar to physical activity or gunpowder but you did.
The weird thing about UCP is it's actually great in breaking up shape, especially at distance. It's just that you're eyes turn it into a bright grey blob (which don't really exist in nature). It's really cool to see the disruptive pattern and shading's effectiveness combined with colors that actually exist.
@@fridrekr7510cadpat is too green, it works in tundra. It's great for Canada because that's all Canada is, but in the U.S. Marpat is king because of the brown shape making it more versatile for places like Alabama swamps, Montana mountains, South Dakota plains etc
The problem was never the pattern, it was the colors chosen. When new, UCP works decent in brownish grasslands and desert (especially once you get a bit dirty), great among rocks and obviously very well in urban/concrete areas. When they get worn and faded, they lightened up too much and you get the washed out look that Brent is demonstrating. Had the Army chosen a better color scheme we'd probably still be wearing it.
The pattern isn't that great, it's too small. Basically you look like a solid color bloob pass 30m. Same for MARPAT, CADPAT although their color is much better. Ironically the Chinese 07 digital camo avoided this though their woodland pattern has lots of gray and looks ugly as f*ck.
This is perfect. I retired about 5 years ago and still have 5-6 sets of these. Once they are dyed they make perfect camo for the spring/summertime in the Southeast US and great color for turkey hunting. Thanks
The UCP reflects everything; that's good when it's reflecting surrounding foliage, bad when in the open. Both of you are high-speed operators that practice a culture of camouflage and I thank you for the inspiration. Maybe a test of tie-dyed blue jeans and long sleeve shirt in loam and green? See how far you can push improvised disruptive camouflage for the Red Dawn Deplorables.
Been a fan for years - thanks for recognizing us Airsofters in this! A LOT of us take camo seriously as our engagement distances are frequently TINY, and there's a reason why real world tactics work, even for us
It's because it's a video. Camouflage appears to be much more effective in pictures and videos. I have personal experience with this. The detection time is about the equivalent of real world double-triple the distance.
It's because its' a video. 2d. In real life, you're able to accurately gauge distance through sight, and as such shadows and colours would make an object like a human stick out a lot more than it would on a 2d video. Camouflage on uniforms wasn't meant to be used at this kind of distance anyway. At this distance, it's a case of praying they don't spot you. The only way you're going to avoid detection at this kind of distance is if you're in a very concealed position, the enemy's line of sight is limited or they're blind as a bat. Even if you've got a ghillie suit on or lots of fauna attached to your uniform to break up your shape, you've just got to hope there's somewhere nearby that you can blend in with.
Digital paterns are designed to mess with cameras, monitors and other similar equipment (NVGs etc). It's always gonna be much more effective because we're watching it being filmed by a camera, processed by a compression algorithm and displayed on a monitor. All of that combined has less color space than real life (shades of green become same color), there's no depth perception, and shadows are not true to real life.
The regular UCP does still work better than my expectations though the dyed version is better in every way. The dyed UCP reminds me of a lighter colored Digiflora.
They recognized the strengths. The regular UCP usually sat in the better lit areas because it's reflections match there better. The Dyed UCP mostly stayed in the shadow areas.
Actually I'd say it's the opposite. I think the ordinary ucp works well in shadows because it's so light in color. Where in light it tends to glow more. The dyed stuff looks quite well in light or mixed shadows because it doesn't turn so dark. That's actually one of my complaints with m82 woodland it tends to look very dark in shadows and seldom are the shadows in normal woods quite that dark. Maybe in a jungle environment etc but not in my typical woods. Same reason I think multicam works quite well being a lighter color pattern doesn't make sense but it works pretty well in mixed lighting.
The UCP just needs to be darkened a tad. It's not that bad. It's just MARPAT! I got to admit though it kinda blends in well. Where the sun hits the foliage. But Afghanistan doesn't look like this.
Elliot Huh? Right! That’s what I meant. It worked with the highlights. And I agree, in Afghanistan, this camo was just silly. Put, like you said the pattern is the same as MARPAT and Cadpat.
@@lwysparagon8109 Right there is no such thing as a Universal Camo Pattern.. I thought urban at least here in the States would be more of a gray color.
this is once again great content aimed at providing effective and low cost solutions to the prepper and minuteman community. thanks for this excellent work. I personally have looked into the dying option to create a better signature match for the ubiquitous and low cost ACU USGI equipment. very cool!
Hey guys I have experience at dying nylon gear and rit dye for synthetic colors needs to be set by heat and vinigar. And the rit company recently came out with dye specifically for synthetic fabrics. It will take a bit more for the webbing on the gear. The buckles will take a dye as well but they take longer. If you're able to remove the buckles from the gear. If you are looking to dye the buckles a nice OD green, use the black dye. It turns the foliage green into OD green. Its just a waiting game. Even paint on some metal such as snaps will turn colors. Dying fabric is both art and science. I love it. Hope this helps anyone who is on the fence about dying their gear.
Wow... I wore these in the Army and we hated them. Sad that they're so bad you can fix them with dye. You should try a tie-die method with green and brown.
I would absolutely love a new video on dyed UCP VS Multicam tropic in the deep spring/early summer, and also how this dyed camo has held up over the last few years.
The Darker colour is a big improvement I can pick it as long as there is not too much vegetation in front. Brett what your wearing the Flash at 9 min 27 is like nothing seen since Hiroshima. I'm positive you pulled a dozen Spy sattelites off course.
Probably the most efficient way to blend i to the environment quick and very effectively is find a muddy puddle of water, roll into it, then roll on leaves and you're set. That's exactly how my uncle did it in Vietnam. They were issued the od green fatigues which still didn't blend in, so they did exactly as I stated before heading into the bush to look for Charlie.
I said on another comment, they worked for us in Iraq on a multi day patrol, cuz you got blasted and dusty from the helos on infil to a nice faded brown the first night!
I remember that you mentioned dying the UCP in your original effectiveness video, but never thought you or Bruce would actually put aside the time to do it. Great surprise and now I also have a good video to give me instructions on how to do it. Gotta find myself a set and try making it into BRUCP, definitely kicks ass in lush green environments.
Damn what a coincidence, just a few days ago I was thinking "what if UCP was dyed brown or green, would it work better" lol, great video as always Brent! Keep the quality videos coming! EDIT: kind of reminds me of Russian digital Flora
ACU to a medium green Taupe 2 tsp Black 1 tsp Dark Green 1/2 tsp Dry Rit Sunshine Orange 1/2 tsp Adjust the amount of dye and a cup of vinegar per gallon to the quantity of water and cloth.
@@steven1001 No pictures, but a warning, don't substitute any other rit dyes(like tangerine) for the named dyes. the results could be 180 degrees from what you want. Just try a single pouch , to start. *For a tan/brown look try 1 tsp of black and 1 tsp dry sunshine orange.* PS black and tangerine will yield.......*purple*
@@steven1001 I don't know if you have seen this post yet. it will give you some more details. IOO% nylon pouches are easy to dye using regular rit dye, just add a lot of vinegar, 1 cup per gallon or more. I have a lot of nylon pouches to experiment on and the easy way to try a color is to take a disposable aluminum turkey roaster pan and put it on the gas BBQ to heat the water( I put a false bottom in the roaster pan made out of a cut down disposable lid) and add a lot of vinegar, salt and some dish soap. The water is hot, but not boiling, add the dye and mix well, add the item to be dyed(already wet) and stir, then turn it over to expose all sides to the dye. Keep the item moving to give the dye a chance to color the item and you should see a color change in just a few minutes(it helps to have a wet undyed item to compare it too). When it seems to be a little darker than the color you want rinse the item in a bucket of cold water, dry(it will dry lighter) and hope for the best:-) ACU to a medium green Taupe 2 tsp Black 1 tsp Dark Green 1/2 tsp Dry Rit Sunshine Orange 1/2 tsp Adjust the amount of dye to the quantity of water and cloth. PS larger items will need a big pot and a lot more dye for it to work well. you can go from light to dark ,but never the reverse.
Bruce did a great job. The color reminds me some of the varied hues of CADPAT, the apple green seems to be just the right color. It would be nice to see a video on an apple green dye applied to a gray BDU with a little black or brown to mimic tree bark lines.
My biggest takeaway here? In dense woodland, concealment in the brush is far more effective than any camouflage pattern. I was stationed at Twentynine Palms and don't have much experience in the woods in cammies. But that vegetation makes for amazing concealment even in that ridiculous ACU uniform.
2d picture. You'd spot both of them straight away if you were there in person regardless of what camo they were wearing. It's just not possible to hide at that distance with uniform camo, you'll need a lot more concealment as you correctly pointed out. Uniform camo was meant more to be used at a distance anyway. Like 100-200m and beyond. This close up, your body shape, shadows and movement will give up your position straight away. Watching them conceal themselves on this video shouldn't be used as a testament to how it would work in real life. But that's not to say that the whole thing is bogus. You can see with your own eyes when they're standing up how well the dyed green works in the environment.
SEAKPhotog to properly dye nylon you have to either use an Acid dye or a disperse dye. Both also require heat to set the dye in. Not to mention surface treatments on nylon can prevent the dye from properly binding. So you need to take care of that as well.
@@kolinmartz thanks for the response but I wasn't clear with my question: I was curious how/why the dying process impacts the IR properties of the uniform.
I saw a picture a while back of soldiers in the sandbox and their UCP was almost died brown by the desert. They blended in really well and I thought "huh so it works ok when it's dyed." Not sure why this hasn't happened before. I like the way UCP looks but not as a camo.
I have seen a few of this videos, being a fan of the old woodland camo I wear issued back in early 04 when I was in. I thought this would be to bright, I was wrong. Even sitting side by side at the end the dyed camo was doing a great job. And like you said you get the high speed things already on the uniform. Great video.
I just realized with the color of the UCP you can dye it any shade of color, which is very useful as you could dye for any enviroment you intend to match
They both work surprisingly well when the sun is able to come directly through the clouds and provide some contrast on the leaves, but when it's overcast or in a dense area with no direct light, the non-dyed stuff stands out.
@@Brent0331 here's an idea 4 ya & your camo testing buddy in this video Dye the Grey Universal Camouflage Pattern in2 a real/true Multiterrain all season Universal Camouflage Pattern using Tan, Dark Green & Cocoa (Chocolate) Brown or Regular Dark Brown then test that pattern!
This video makes me think twice about UCP. There were only a couple of scenes where I could see it rather quickly, but even then it wasn't bad. I think it had to do with the brightness of the sun, Brent's camo paint, painted rifle and sniper veil. Outline was broken up really well and he set up in good places. I'd give the dyed set a 90 and UCP a 75. Great video!
Great video and cool idea! It would be interesting to see UCPs dyed the lightest beige available. Maybe Rit Sandstone. Taupe or formula colors would yield some near Multicam colorations.
I tried the apple green on my MOLLE pack and it works so much better and looks better as well. SO far attempts to create a darker green replicating OD haven't been as successful. Really appreciate your videos, Semper Fi!
ACU to a medium green Taupe 2 tsp Black 1 tsp Dark Green 1/2 tsp Dry Rit Sunshine Orange 1/2 tsp Adjust the amount of dye +(1 cup of vinegar per gallon) to the quantity of water and cloth.
In some of those scenarios, the dyed UCP stood out a bit more because it appeared to be a giant patch of green sitting randomly in the scene. I think that if there was some additional colors running across to break it up, it would be perfect.
Another thought concerning the gear, if you make some clothes in the new pattern I don't know why regular OD Green LBE and equipment/accessories wouldn't work pretty good with it.
Wow! very well done with a lot of contrasted view and exposure to the camouflage. Movements are great and even the sound testing is well done. Real movements done by a real professional. Look at the attention of details like terrain, inclination and explanation. Well-explained. Good job!
I have I live here in LA Calif. used dark brown. Makes you color a strange pink is orange color brown. Also try Kelly green makes the color more of a olive drab color like a Vet. Nam uniform with pattern. But you can use dark brown on the flick vest and pouches nylon die leave in for a longe time makes a nice dark brown color.
This works too regular rit dye with a lot of vinegar in the hot water and agitate. ACU to a medium green Taupe 2 tsp Black 1 tsp Dark Green 1/2 tsp Dry Rit Sunshine Orange 1/2 tsp Adjust the amount of dye and a cup of vinegar per gallon to the quantity of water and cloth
The green almost perfectly matches the environment, although I think something like a Sap green, green tea ice cream, Navy Green (check the pantone scale for that), would look even more perfectly blended. Also, I would love to see that green camo field tested and paired with some walnut brown colored pants.
I was successfully able to dye Nylon gear using Jacquard Kelley green acid dye mixed with some apple green rit, came out phenomenal and matches Bruce's pattern quite well
The standard undyed UCP worked better than I expected in this environment. Although, it was often masked by the over-exposed light on the camera sensor. A higher resolution with a better sensor might more accurately describe how the human eye would observe these patterns with this light. RU-vid's compression doesn't help either though. You guys always do a pretty good job breaking up your human triangle shapes and silhouettes, so even with crummy patterns, I often take a minute to locate the tree cancer.
I was infantry in iraq from 2004- 2007... the guys wearing the ucp were hardest to see at night. When patrols would approach, you would see the other uniforms first.
The army spend millions of dollars to copy Marpat makes a great couch camo dude in north Texas dyes it and makes it better for 10 dollars yep sounds right
I was just thinking about this very topic yesterday. I was looking at the green grass and woodline behind my house and wondering why there is not a pattern or color that matches. Then I see this video today! Well done
Better than that awful "blend in with nothing" all grey ACUs that were forced on the Army in 2006...they were only useful if the Army decided to occupy the Moon.
How it went down was the Marines decided, "hey, time for a new camo. Bdu is about 2 decades old and we need to keep up with technology and research", so they adopted desert and woodland versions of cadpat. Army looked at the Marines cool new uniforms and wanted new uniforms too, but heaven forbid the army does the same thing after the Corps has done it. Army also wanted to one up the Marines by adopting a "universal" camo, but that entire concept is flawed from the start. So army starts testing 5 or 6 new camo patterns that were actually decent, and were holding a competion for new army camo pattern. Ucp wasn't a part of any of this. What eventually became scorpion was selected as the winner of this competition. Out of nowhere, ucp is introduced, and is adopted citing test results of its IR signature blending in and there fore being supior for night operations against a neere peer opponent. Guess what? Most military operations are done in daylight. To the suprise of nobody, ucp failed miserably in just about every environment during daylight. To remedy this, since we were still very much active in the middle east at this point, army starts issuing scorpion uniforms to troops deploying to Afghanistan. Congress is watching this entire time and sees the money wasted on trying to develop a universal camo pattern, and passes an act that the army is no long allowed to spend money on camo pattern development and any new pattern the adopt has to be an existing pattern or ots from the private sector. Jump forward almost a decade, army is still stuck with a standard issue camo pattern that literally doesn't work any where. So, due to congress telling them to stop camo development, the army ends up adopting multicam as is camo pattern, still stuck on the failed concept of one pattern for every environment.
@@isaachousley325 the Marine woodland digital and desert camo patterns are excellent....I know they must have laughed their asses off after seeing the ACU in 2006...I remember back at Ft. Hood we went on our first FTX wearing our newly issued ACUs...we stood out like ghosts in the woodline...lots of fun pics were taken showing how "great" our ACUs blended in with the environment out in the field.
@@isaachousley325 The idea of universal camo is about as funny as a universal haircut for men and women (yeah yeah I know, Terminator Dark Fate...) or ketchup being a universal flavor for all food, including ice cream and milk and sushi.
I have dyed my UCP with Terracotta brown, a reddish brown. In order to blend in in urban areas, where reddish brown bricks walls were used. These are very popular in my country the Netherlands. Also it was a night camo. Not for IR or image intensifiers night vision equiptment, but for the naked eye. In low light conditions the color red is the one the eye sees, because it is next to infra red. Which the eye can not see. Also handy when illimunated with orange glow sodium lights.
I think Renaissance Marine has dyed nylon gear like nylon Malice Rucksaks, etc...I know he dyed some 3 color desert fatigues with a green Rit dye and at least the one pair looked REALLY good. So yeah, Renaissance Marine has done stuff like this, but again Bruce's UCP fatigues look awesome in that environment !
