Universe 25- John Calhoun's NIMH experiment 

So true

If you have lived your entire life locked inside a one-bedroom apartment with 70 other people with no school, TV, computer, games, or any activities other than picking fights, with babies being born and old people dying right where they sit for several generations, and you have psychosocial issues, yeah, then, and only then, it might be related. This "study" was not meant to approximate any human condition. It was meant to raise public awareness of overpopulation in a non-scientific way, and to scare people into prioritizing the issue. It was a political exercise, not a scientific experiment. Please don't confuse this with meaningful science. I agree with the political cause btw - overpopulation needs to be addressed, but I hate to see propaganda given the appearance of science.

I agree with you.. and the study would suggest the problem would be lack of purpose. Look at the liberal left.. never satisfied. It's time to accept challenges as necessary.. the left are just not helping the community, they try to abolish Norms like religion.

@@beenaplumber8379 rats live in colonies so you're comparing apples to oranges. All those leisure activities are human inventions, wild animals don't need recreation and it likely doesn't affect their psychology that much. As an experiment to demonstrate overcrowding and overpopulation has consequences I think it succeeded. It was carried out by the National Institute of Mental Health (government owned) by a qualified ethologist so how is it propaganda or non-scientific?

I would say the food and drug industry has more to do with mental health than anything

​@@beenaplumber8379no

I think it was ' though they look inquisitive'.

Instagramers :D

James Charles, sisters!!!

Thats not funny.

the Kardashians?

cute

This experiment does not represent humanity. It's helpful in some aspects but in no way comparable to us. There is still ample space for humanity to expand. You could fit the entire human population in the grand canyon. We simply like to equate today's problems with the experiment because it makes us feel good.

@@georgekosko5124 you blind? look around you, homesexuality is rampant, that was the start

@@lawfreed hahahahahahahaha Jesus you're delusional

@@georgekosko5124 what? you've never seen heomosexuals? loool gfto laugh now, cry later like most ya'll morons

the first matrix was build by humanoids ( old serbs) it lasted from lepenski vir ( serbia)civilization 9500 bc till the end of Vinca( belgrade) Civilization 4000 bc - no wars , equality and a highly evolved culture , that was spreaded all over europe and the mediterain. it was the golden age f mankind. Arians are another name for old serbs. They have had their own runic writing and their Vedic knowledge ( that was later in india) , their culture is the base for greek and rome . Real human history and not fake history like we have since old fake greek - thats now our civilization and its way different and unnatural then the original old serb culture. back to the roots !

@@zeusmanitou What makes you think that? Just because you are serb makes you think that thousand of years ago, the serbs formed an evolved culture? Why not Albanians with their Aurigancian culture? Or Vietnamese people with their Dong Son culture 20.000 B.C? Nothing makes you special just because you are Serb, Chinese or Albanian. We are all the same. If those civilizations were so evolved, why did they disappear or occupied by other civilizations? Kind regards from Romania (no, not even our Dacian ancestors were so evolved)

@@zeusmanitouCan't tell if you're ripping off post-Nazi theosophy or....

..."I say your civilization because as soon as we started thinking for you it really became our civilization which is of course what this is all about. " Boy that script was sent from heaven. We are walking among programmed bots, how insane is it that this line is so spot on today?

"Their is no spune" -The Matricks So deep bro.

It's good GOD WILL WIPE THE WICKED OFF THE EARTH SOON AND RESTORE PEACE AND RULE THE EARTH. 1Then a shoot will grow from the stump of Jesse,a and a branchb from his roots will bear fruit. 2The Spirit of the LORD will rest on Himc - a Spirit of wisdom and understanding, a Spirit of counsel and strength, a Spirit of knowledge and of the •fear of the LORD. 3His delight will be in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what He sees with His eyes,d He will not execute justice by what He hears with His ears, 4but He will judge the poor righteouslye and execute justice for the oppressed of the land. He will strike the land with disciplinef from His mouth,g and He will kill the wickedh with a commandi from His lips.j 5Righteousness will be a belt around His loins;k faithfulness will be a belt around His waist.l 6The wolf will live with the lamb,m and the leopard will lie down with the goat. The calf, the young lion, and the fatling will be together, and a child will lead them. 7The cow and the bear will graze, their young ones will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox. 8An infant will play beside the cobra’s pit, and a toddler will put his hand into a snake’s den. 9None will harm or destroy another on My entire holy mountain, for the land will be as full of the knowledge of the LORD as the sea is filled with water.n Isaiah 11 1In the last daysa the mountain of the LORD’s houseb will be established at the top of the mountains and will be raised above the hills. Peoples will stream to it,c 2and many nations will come and say,d “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD,e to the house of the God of Jacob. He will teach us about His waysf so we may walk in His paths.” For instruction will go out of •Ziong and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 3He will settle disputes among many peoplesh and provide arbitration for strong nations that are far away. They will beat their swords into plows, and their spears into pruning knives. Nation will not take up the sword against nation, and they will never again train for war. 4But each man will sit under his grapevinei and under his fig tree with no one to frighten him.j For the mouth of the LORDk of •Hosts has promised this. 5Though all the peoples each walk in the name of their gods,l we will walkm in the name of •Yahweh our God forever and ever.n 6On that day - this is the LORD’s declaration - I will assemble the lame and gather the scattered,o those I have injured. 7I will make the lame into a remnant,p those far removed into a strong nation. Then the LORD will rule over themq in Mount Zion from this time on and forever. 8And you, watchtower for the flock,r fortified hills of Daughter Zion, the former rulet will come to you, sovereignty will come to Daughter Jerusalem. Micah 4

@@FrostyBud777 Your impotent God doesn't scare me!

LoL

are we not?

@@user-vn4yw8dt3m i have Asahi beer

Sounds like human behavior

Like, maybe, perhaps, release a virus or poison?

Moving the messed up mice to a habitat where they would need their natural instincts would be like releasing a house dog/cat into the wild, chances are they wouldn't make it

Are you suggesting you have this data by implying "it didn't work?"

it has been said in the video...

Imo you are spot on- this is what universal basic income looks like- no purpose- Calhoun termed the initial degeneration as the first death or the death of the spirit- physical death followed- in later experiments he was able to slow down the degeneration with creative challenges- but these had to be constantly renewed to keep the will to live alive- bottom line nature doesn't tolerate walls

This is what happens in prisons.or institualising a person

I personally think this is exactly what happened

Seems like they did another one out in actual nature with much better results.

I believe you are correct, I also wonder about the effects of absence of normal sunlight and nighttime darkness, circadian rhythms etc. Humans have hormonal responses (vitamin D, melatonin etc.) in response to light or absence of light. IMO, It is difficult to know for certain the cause and effect of this experiment without a "control".

Me too.

It doesn't explain shit...these mice were in a cage and are not intelligent animals...lol This doesn't apply to humans who have infinitely more opportunities.

Simulations are not reality. Period. Not saying there wasn't useful information learned from this, just that it doesnt correlate with reality. They had a large living space, but were not free to go where they want in a natural environment. Also having everything provided robbed the mice of important parts of their natural behavior and psychology or instinct. They could not feel the sun, fresh air, the grass and bush, dig in the ground, burrow, explore. Big freaking difference. Unlike humans the mice were not intelligent enough to redirect that energy. They had no culture for enrichment. This experiment means much less than you think. That the scientists who made it could not see this is very alarming, it shows a ridiculous lack of perspective and intelligence.

Humans are not intelligent animals. Not all breeds of us anyway.

@@NR-oy2vk have you ever occurred that the giant floating ball on space, that we called Earth, is our own cage?

we’re currently experiencing this ourselves everyday.

@@iannorriss1508​ It is scary isn’t it… That even humanity, however in control you may feel, is still subject to the whims of nature. Even when we’re unaware we are being manipulated by our own minds.

@@GavinBogie not even scary anymore, just expected

@@GavinBogie only unexpected to people who haven’t woken up to the matrix. guarantee “woke nation” is struggling with this😂

larger environment only makes inevitable outcome slightly delayed. Humans can't increase the size or their environment nor the resources or the environment's ability to replace or create the resources so...

Compared to the Chinese you are in Human Heaven

Loved the film.

CANCEL IT ASAP!!!! IT's offendin mEE OMGasaz!!

@@Kowalth Huh?

the movie was based on the book "The Rats of NIMH" which was inspired by this experiment.

I believe this is what happened to the society, they didnt die they just created Thorn Valley

Yes a famine of purpose

Perfectly mimics our planet...

Thats not a limitation of an experiment, that the humans reality... we move nowhere from here. Although still would be interesting to see if the mice had their world threatened would they be able to do anything about it. Like, shit to much, and have it cause their life being threaten. (like humans just cover the world with trash). We like to think we can find a way of of this, but it's almost unimaginable the mice could. I would more align to the mice experiment outcome in this scenario. It's nice to think we can fight off climate change, but realistically, we would need to leave this place for it to recover. Just like mice, we would be more and more uncomfortable, yet unable to help ourselves.

another thing is that: ok - we have GREAT amount of food and big population but we need to eat more to sustain the same nutrition like those from 1920s

That would at least be more honest. It would be promoted as entertainment, not as science. This is NOT what science looks like.

It’s called the real world

I saw "the beautiful mice" as the gay loner male rather than the Alpha. The Alpha is strong, dominant and wants to mate and lead...

Alpha and beautiful ones were not the same

@@ronjclm8590 why do they need someone to lead, why can't be equal and minding their business?

What is "gene pool saturation"? (That sounds made-up.) Inbreeding of lab animals is done all the time. Many strains are inbred strains derived from a single mating pair. Lab animals have all been selectively bred to minimize genetic disease already, so that's an unlikely factor. Inbreeding does not cause genetic disease. A gene pool can be limited and still be healthy.

@@ri3m4nn right The beautiful ones were really stupid

Hate to break it to you but our human environment isnt natural either.

@@davidlong1349 hate to break it to you, but that's not what she meant.. human can still be free and got a lot of entertainment.. while these rats trapped in the cage..

Conditions being not optimal was an indirect factor. The mice population primarily eradicated because of their social structure having collapsed (too many males- and the females denying to breed) - In fact, we're seeing the same thing in our own society. Dropouts, unemployment etc... leading to psychological issues in both men and woman which impedes them from having a healthy relationship and thus possibly not procreating. Some countries have a significant decline in fertility rate even. The thing that separates us from the mice/rats is explained at 7:27 - Decision making. Therefore, humanity will never succumb to the same result as this experiment. There will always be someone who will do differently. I'd say we'd most likely be eradicated by overpopulation than collapse of societal structure.

Yes quality of education another factor neglected here.

This is what lockdown doing in Melbourne.... not entertaining.... they are putting this into practice now.

Well, basically the mice were on a continuous holiday. You say to change their holiday with another one? This could be interesting ... Change two halves from two different hubs between them. Might work, at least for a while!

@@pwweldinginspector7552 so you say living in a closed lab with incest violence and hannibalism is a continuous holiday… yeah sure

I think what he may have meant, was give the mice a change of scenery. We are essentially these mice. We wake up, we got to work, we come home, we eat, we sleep and we repeat 4-5 times a week. Imagine doing that for 2 years, 7 days a week. These mice probably just got fed up being in an enclosed environments for 2 years, so they started killing each other and lost interest in sexual reproduction…and started doing gay stuff with each other lok

or if they could relocate and change cities

What are they taking a holiday from?

Because there are running wheels in a natural environment?

No, they are free in natural environment... Any mammal goes mad in captivation

@@breakthechains5140 No, but a natural environment has trees and soil and things to sniff, taste, and discover with the senses and an infinity of space to explore, and plenty of reasons to explore it. Environmental enrichment is a weak but important attempt to compensate for all the things an animal might encounter in nature to keep its brain engaged. The absence of environmental enrichment is an experimental confound and an important source of animal distress that needs to be addressed in modern research. It's also one of many reasons to question the meaningfulness of this study.

VERY good point. But if we look at society today, we have everything we could wish for, and some of these behaviors are STILL being exhibited.

@@RobJoswiak I think these behaviors are likely the result of distress, and not specific to crowding. Unfortunately, whether we have reason or not, we are afraid, overworked, and overstressed. We work extremely long hours away from our families, leaving our kids to be raised by strangers. Between stranger-danger and frank xenophobia, we do not trust our neighbors at all. We do not get enough sleep. Some of us have been at war for decades. We are facing increasing famine and disease and increased push-back against doing anything about it. We do NOT have everything we wish for, not even the basic essentials, not even here in the US. I wish I could go to a social gathering and talk about what's bothering me, but I'm afraid I will be attacked and beaten, even for stating a political or religious belief. I wish one of my parents could have stayed home and raised me. I wish we had food every day - any food at all. I wish I could get treatment for a certain medical condition. I wish my former employers hadn't exposed me to huge amounts of poisons. I wish two of my uncles hadn't been blown up and killed by enemy soldiers. Americans live with mad-crazy stress levels, and we seem to be ok with that, even as we watch it destroy our health. We have accepted these conditions as normal. I think that's the fundamental problem here, not the existence of cities and other densely populated areas. That's my hypothesis, and this study has nothing to do with those types of stressors. It assumes a condition of plenty for all. At what time in US history did that ever exist?

A j.w

Sickening

lol

How about starting with a hypothesis this time? It's not an experiment if you're not testing a hypothesis. Confining animals under certain conditions and watching to see what happens is not science, and it teaches us nothing.

Living in an off-world colony > living on Earth, i.e. Blade Runner?

I know a person who retired at the age of 21, meaning he can do absolutely nothing. He said it was absolutely boring.

@@pussinboots9983 I retired at 42. It is what you make of it. The only change is that the retiree has to live their own life without an employer imposing their structure. That's all retirement is. I choose creativity. I don't think 21 is old enough to understand their own role in directing their life. Their prefrontal cortex is still underdeveloped.

@@beenaplumber8379 when does it stop developing

@@pussinboots9983me at 28. I just travel and drive cars on track

That's easy. The colony is already self-contained. The sick would be removed and killed. If it was a more dangerous virus, they would all be killed. That's the protocol even today, though if there was an effective way to treat the sick and return them to the colony, that would be preferred, but usually that would be an "experimental confound" (the animal would skew the outcome after having been sick), so they get the needle.

Ok

Your friend is a sicko

No shit they would be cannibals if they didn't get any food or space

@@Pepperoni290 😂😂

Holy shit

The problem was, of course, the limited space. When they were able to break out of containment, they survived. Once they were no longer able to expand, they perished. Boredom kills.

My brother, I agree with everything you said and have been seeing and saying this stuff for many years now. It even led me to a mental breakdown last year because I was just so damn worried about today and tomorrow's children (if there are any). What do you propose the world does, to combat this ideology? My only proposal is, begrudgingly and unfortunately, a violent one. One targeted at every single person and institution that is allowing this ideology to run rampant in Western society. But I'm really hoping there is another way.

@@nathanking6670 I actually do not see any way out of this .. I believe the sole reason the AI is getting more and more sophisticated and integrated into our everyday lives is because it needs to learn from us while we’re here. Now this might sound like a conspiracy theory but I believe the mass depopulation the transnational elites seek is a sort of eugenics project where it’s only “their spices” that will continue procreating. They can always have their AI 3D printed humanoids to do their dirty works. I don’t believe in the climate change hysteria but whatever natural resources our planet has left, the elites don’t plan sharing with us. It sounds like a dystopian nightmare but we’re already halfway there.. I really hope I’m wrong

@@magik.6084 I agree with everything you guys are saying, glad too see there are people actually awake in this world and not being censored on here. I sure am tired of propaganda all day everyday, and not knowing what’s real at all. I think we might have to get rid of the internet altogether if we care about humanity at all. Because everyone gets all information from internet and tv nowadays and the government or AI can try to manipulate you that way. During 2019-2020 when there was the pandemic and BLM riots I think they wanted everyone to stay inside so they control all the information and also control us. Idk what to do though either guys, I have mental breakdowns about it all the time. Everyone in the world is being controlled and no one even knows or cares and if they do know they just say there’s nothing you can do about it. In my head the only way would be violence probably or nothing happening as you guys said which really fucking sucks. The problem is it’s such a complex topic and they have it all hidden and engrained and within society so well already so it’s hard to even organize thoughts on it myself Edit: left a comment to the other guy to if you want to read that, Please reply if you can much love We need to spread critical thinking and open peoples eyes to all the manipulation, propaganda, lies etc. before it’s too late. Hopefully we can make some progress on this problem together consciously, and you’re not some AIs acting like you’re real people who’s gonna try to steer me off the path of finding out and spreading the truth. Honestly who knows, I just know stuffs DEFINETELY NOT RIGHT and don’t trust what you are fucking being shown and told

@@nathanking6670 hey man seen your comment and was happy to see people are starting to wake up to what’s going on around us. I try to talk to everyone I see online that seems to see what I’m seeing going on too. It’s a hard time to organize my thoughts, and type it out, but I’ve had a conversation online with someone recently and I would love to hear your thoughts on the conversation/topic at hand. So here’s a copy and paste of what I thought out the other day. I also left a comment to Magi K, the OP. Either a troll or a bot like you said bro, shits crazy lol. understood every word of what you said. I am not sure if our entire population is gullible and falls for all this blatant propaganda and manipulation or if there is so many bots online trying to promote nonsense that it just seems that way. Ive met a few people that actually fall for it but is it actually everyone? Hard to tell, nowadays its hard to talk to anyone let alone meet anyone new without the phones. Thats how they want it.. So they can control all the information and in turn controlling all of us. I think the lockdowns with covid, and all the mask and vaccine propaganda on the media, and the mass BLM riots, all that nonsense, was them trying to keep us indoors and not talking to anyone face to face (so they control all information and push their agenda) and that was so Biden stays in office. I'm not sure how deep it goes its a lot of thinking, but if you thought about all this stuff and think you know what their goals, motives, plans, etc is id like to hear. How much do you think its working? How do we stop it? Have you thought of how to fix this? What is their ultimate goal and motive? I honestly think ditching the internet altogether here soon might be a good solution because its starting to get to the point you can't tell what is real or true at all. Literally. Share your thoughts back if you see this brotha. One last thought, do you think they are using social media and pornography to like brainwash people into becoming transgender and many other mental illnesses? Would love to hear thoughts from a conscious intelligent breathing thing who sees whats going, if anyone is reading this randomly in the future, ignore all the bots or trolls manipulating the conversation. From a real person.

@@youngkob3408 Hey man, I'll try to respond to all that: I definitely think it's all connected, the last few years' events I mean. My question is whether it's as simple as the World Economic Forum pulling everyone's strings, or whether someone is actually pulling their strings, either way, all the decisions of the world seem to go through them at the moment. And regarding whether people really are that naive out there.... yeah, they are. I'm at university currently and it's like a hive mind there. No one has an original thought and they all just take everything at face value. Another thing I've noticed is that they're so quick to vilify people if someone else has vilified them (Trump for example), even if they actually can't point out many things that person has done wrong. I think the severe shortening of current event attention spans is due to social media, namely "shorts" that are seen in TikTok and RU-vid, and I think this plays a part in people not being able to critically think. Everyone lacks the awareness to see the bigger picture, maybe it's always been like that and I'm just getting better at it? Not sure. Regarding leaving the internet, don't. Change can still be made via the internet and public forums... just have to somehow safeguard yourself from the propaganda out there and keep your mind strong. Porn and social media is 100% pushing the trans agenda. The same porn sites I've been watching for years and years have been increasingly putting trans porn at the top of the suggested videos. Same with streaming services now. They WANT us to be gay. They WANT us to be trans. It's so ridiculously obvious. This trans increase in the Western world is NOT natural. Why the hell did all of this stuff increase after huge corporations started parading the rainbow and trans flags everywhere? Trans and gay populations weren't increasing exponentially prior to that. I mean, you can't tell me that the people who run those huge corps (a lot of the time they are old, Jewish, white men) actually care about LGBT and black people's feelings. It's laughable that people do think that. Ultimate goal and motive, which I continuously lean to due to not having a clear answer for everything happening in the world, is that it must be other worldly (demonic), but that's my two cents.

Kind of like people living in a mega city no?

@@hankbangorme4419 Not one bit like people living in a mega city. That's the folly of this research. It's scientifically bogus, and it doesn't model any human condition except possibly severely overcrowded prisons, and even then it's not a good model because the human population in prisons is skewed toward maladaptive behavioral tendencies from the start. We already know how prisoners treat each other under those conditions.

@@beenaplumber8379 which prison would you identify as a co-ed utopia, where the inmates need were exceeded?

@@Sanguine_Seminole420 I said "possibly," meaning to suggest that it's not clearly a good model of that environment either, and I gave another example of why that's the case (non-representative/skewed population).

Mega cities and people having 90% of their days on screen time and social media

Like more people need to see inane reality TV. That's all this is - shock programming. It's not science, and it teaches us nothing. This is how public panics are generated.

US has under population issue and not over population issue. Many African, Asia nations have real over population issues

keep your degenerates in your containment zone, thank you

EXACTLY!!! 😎

It's not about space It's about resources!

@@SmokesWorld We have unlimited resources. The world is only 1/4 land to 3/4 water.

Exactly. My question as well.

Wild house mice rely on specially evolved proteins in their urine to sniff out and avoid mating with their close relatives. In many social species the trick is that one sex, usually the female, leaves the group at adolescence. That way they can't mate with their own family

Yes, but the lab provides a certain conditions for the experiment. As was said that external threats were eliminated which is impossible to achieve outside the lab. This is specifically generated to observe a dominant specifies behaviour. As of right now, humans are dominant species. We basically eliminates everything that is threat to us, overpopulated the Earth keep exploiting natural resources and soon we will strategize about genocide because country by country we will begin running out of natural resources.

I wanna say no but I know for sure deformities would happen

It would be interesting to read the paper on this, surely they would have accounted for limitations and assumptions of the experiment such as this

verdict's in, by and large we suck.

@@paradoxlust Are you kidding? We're the species that created Three Dog Night! The Jaguar E-Type! The mocha mint latte! Machines that can take you all the way around the whole world in 90 minutes! Albert Einstein, Stephen Hawking, and Richard Feynman, three remarkable comedians who were also really good at science! And probably our greatest creation - all those amazing kids I see at school when I teach! We might be trying to screw up the world good and proper, but we're handing it off to another generation who will do a much better job with it. Gawd, they're doing quadratic equations in 8th grade! I never heard of a quadratic equation until I was a college sophomore, and I got a PhD and became a neuroscientist. They're doing them in 8th grade!!! Kids today are absolutely amazing. Maybe we suck, we who are in charge today, but humanity is doing just fine. 🙂

Cool observation. The video is a scare tactic, and the study itself was a scare tactic. Did you see the video challenge on YT where musicians were challenged to compose happy music in Locrian? It's a fun watch! 🙂

@@beenaplumber8379 No, I've never heard of that one before. I'll have to look it up.

@@dollofshadows1703 Sorry, I made a mistake. The video I was referring to was phrygian, not locrian. My bad! (I just scrambled them up in my brain - the two modes with minor 2 and minor 7 right?) But it's still worth a view if you're into theory like that. These are all music professionals and theoreticians and composers, people who know what they're doing, and some of what they did is pretty cool! Here's the link to that one: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZxQWbyaMzfg.html "Can the Phrygian Scale sound 'happy?'"

@@beenaplumber8379 That's alright, still an awesome idea. Challenging, I'm sure. I definitely am, I've learned all sorts of theory things simply from watching YT videos. There was one on popular songs in the locrian, Bjork's "Army of Me" was one of them. That's a killer tune, with some killer riffing, and it's all locrian.

@@dollofshadows1703 recommend 8bitmusictheory's mode videos

you fell for the propaganda

Look at it this way, our world is MUCH bigger than the world the mice were placed into, lived in, and many born & died in as well. We have tons of space, tons of different environments and conditions, and plenty of places to explore. If select humans were placed in a small prison, say Fox River out in Joliet, IL, then there would be problems over time just like the mice.

I feel the same way. But what if the answer is to have more kids in order to keep our population up?

Такой мир и начинается с тех, кто отказывается от детей

Kids go through this at school. It's called bullying.

They said that it could accommodate for up to 3000 but only reached 2200

@@AHWAProductions Correct, but the rats or mice may not "view" the total occupancy the same way. Technically humans can be cramped into small living spaces but a certain percentage of them may not want to live that way. Rodents may have a natural inclination to spread out as well.

I think they did the first suggestion you made, but the damage was already done.

@@AHWAProductions I think the figure of 3000 was based on what they were allowed based on minimum space requirements. Lab rats don't usually live long enough to reach a decent size, and those space requirements probably assumed an average adult size - average adult among lab rats. In my lab, the average adult rat was around 300 g, but in long-term studies I've had many grow to over a kg. When I was in research, the requirement for individual housing was that the rat must be able to turn around in its cage, that's it. My biggest rats always developed a streak of hostility in their little cages. I couldn't blame them. Eventually I got the animal facility to get double-sized cages for the bigger ones. (If anyone's interested, they were Sprague Dawley (outbred) rats, none more than a year old, and the biggest one got to ~1.4 kg. My Fischer F-344 (inbred) rats stayed below 600 g in similar long-term studies, but even at 2 years old their weight was still increasing slowly.) When they say they could accommodate 3000, I highly doubt that's anything but a legal max (if there were such laws then) for the given floor area and/or volume of the enclosure, and the formula for that max was probably not intended for enclosures containing more than a few animals. And animal research standards were barbaric in those days. Standards were improving when I left research, and I hope that trend has continued. Distressed rats make poor models of human behavior and physiology, and it's just mean to keep them like that.

Thats what predators are for to keep the population in check if the population are not in check the world would be a overflow of population.

15min cities

This is science not entertainment you cynic

Rest in pieces🕯

Sigma? Is that how you took that? It was more the narcissistic tiktok retards we are seeing today. And don't forget they were dumber than the rest too.

Yes, they are beautiful and solitary - and in fact very stupid.

That would require a cognitive skill called mentalization - the ability to imagine what another person/animal is thinking or experiencing. If they saw other colonies living a more comfortable existence, would they know the others were more comfortable? (That's quite possible.) If they did, would they understand why? (That's doubtful.) If so, would it affect their thinking about their own situation? (That's a real stretch.) Would it change their behavior with a goal of attaining such a condition for themselves, or possibly a maladaptive behavior born of enhanced frustration, or even unfairness? (I think you see where I'm going.) This is highly evolved cognition that is difficult to find even in nonhuman primates. Mice and rats are cognitively much simpler than primates. It doesn't help the mice to survive by wondering what it's like to be in a different, unattainable situation. That ability helps humans because we have incredible power to approximate whatever living conditions we like, even if we can't attain what we have seen elsewhere. We can imagine it, and we can usually build a good approximation.

Since this film was made, the human population has doubled, and it shows no sign of slowing its growth. Doomsday scenarios related to overpopulation were en vogue in those days. This study was part of that. It used junk science to argue that overpopulation should be addressed, and it offered terrifying speculation (nothing more) of what might happen if we didn't act immediately. Calhoun was a doomsday prophet, not a scientist. At least this work was completely unscientific. Yes, overpopulation is a disaster we must act to avoid, but we need to act rationally and from a basis of reliable evidence, not scare-tactics like this. (This study is legendary for that.)

@@beenaplumber8379 The earth is way too big for us to ever reach this stage of overpopulation. If anything, we are going to run out of food first instead of running out of space. At that point the variables are different, so the experiment wouldn't predict anything. They'd have to remake another experiment where the food replenishes a specific amount every x days(Maybe a fixed amount with a very very little increase based on the amount of rats) and see what happens when there are not enough food for the rats.

@@fluktuition Yup, this experiment is famously bogus for its irrelevance to humans, or rats for that matter. The work you suggested has mostly been done. Rats of different social groups actually go to war over limited resources, as in organized warfare, one side vs another. (In college I learned that warfare had been observed in rat and chimp populations in the wild, and probably others.) They kill and eat each other if they get too hungry. They don't act like most species when they get hungry, but in a few eerie ways they do act like us. Given what we already know about rat behavior when they are deprived of food, it's extremely difficult to get approval to reduce their food intake below 10% of their normal ad-lib intake, and even that level of reduction requires a lot of justification. Oversight committees don't approve those studies unless there's a very compelling reason, and curiosity isn't enough. We know enough to know studies like these are unnecessarily cruel. We also know enough to know how important it is to manage human population growth and natural resources. We don't really need to stress and starve more rats to understand that it's an important human priority.

then dont have grandkids

in fact considering YOUR thought, it would be entirely selfish to have any kids, right? What could they possibly achieve? Just weird vanity and selfish reasons, practice safer sex or perhaps get a vasectomy.

Educate your daughters and give them a future outside of the home. We did that in the west. Now we are below replacement.

well, not really.. it was the 'strong men' that created all this mess so..

Hard Times creates strong Men, strong Men creates good Times, good Times creates weak Men, weak Men creasts hard times

Szobiz, turn up the brain power a little and learn. Losif Alexandru has written it below. Right now we are in the period of ‘weak men create hard times.’ Just look at the last 100 years and the cycle is very obvious.

@@davidjustdave6363 yeah.. about that.. at least look at the research u are commenting on before babbling commom sense bullshit

Szobiz SMDH. Obviously I did. Communicating with you is tiring. Your painfully stupid. Obviously you’re overly concerned with you and your LGBTQ, BLM, Antifa friends being considered the weak that are causing hard times. My research is sound. Your acceptance of the truth is not.

Only Korea??? I don't think so

@@beasttowers392 Right! But where in the comment has the word 'only' been mentioned? :)

What's going on in Korea today?

@@olafsteiner3446 Yeah, and what does it have to do with confining thousands of rodents in a tiny enclosure? Don't let the narrator think for you.

The human analogs most similar may be the youtube "approved ones" who seem bent on putting out videos with the multi-colored thumbnails. Has google told them to, or are they just trained like mice to 'push the lever' to get the views?

I was wondering this. There could have been unintended consequences from this. For example, I'm reminded of something I read where birds that had been tagged with a ring around their leg appeared to be perceived as more attractive which would influence their reproductive success.

I wondered the same about the coloring. I also suspect that lack of natural light played a much bigger role in thier behavior than researchers realized at the time. This is more along the lines of what I'd expect if you forced a bunch of humans underground under communist rulership. There was also a study a few years ago showing that mice are afraid of human men but not women. This discovery has far reaching implications for all studies performed with mice.

@Jesse Kozlowski - Thank you for using the word "controls"! Not only did they lack controls for the color scheme, they lacked controls. Period. That is one of many fundamental errors in their "science". But it might be worth saying that most common strains of *white* lab rats and mice are blind or have very, very poor vision. Color markings have been studied elsewhere, so that particular variable does not need to be controlled in every experiment that uses them.

​@@kastakan i noticed this personally. i had free ranging chickens, the hen had chicks and one if them caught foul pox. I was told to put red oil on the chick but after that the mother chicken started to attack it whenever it get close to her and her other chicks. i think the red oil (palm oil) maybe made the chick unrecognisable and she saw him as a stranger etc...

Uh... nope?

Mars? Seriously...just look around...weare othe verge of collapse RIGHT HERE!

Ooooh, we’ve got a sleeper here!!! Wake up.

We haven’t even been to the MOON, let alone Mars! Educate yourself about the Van Allen belt just a comparatively few miles into space. Its all a ruse folks. Lots of deception out there. “LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU, by any means.” 2 Thessalonians 2:3

SELF - VILIFYING TO AVOID CENSORSHIP(?)!

THAT FEEL ALSO SERVED AS A WARNING SIGN AND/OR MOTIVATION FOR CHANGES TO BE URGENTLY DONE IN SOCIETIES. OR MAYBE THE PRODUCERS OF THESE DOCUMENTARIES WERE JUST A BUNCH OF RELIGIOUS FANATICS, USING THEIR USUAL TACTICS OF FEARMONGERING IN ORDER TO CONVERT AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE TO THEIR RELIGION.

That's quite sad and truthful

NEETs assemble ! 😎😄

......projecting?

I know you're being sarcastic but that's exactly what the human race has become

Yep, we look inquisitive but are actually quite dumb!

The lack of space WAS the point, the experiment was intended to find our what will happen to us as we overcrowd our planet. Sadly, we are doomed just like the mice.

The brightly colored mice are the SJWs

Meaning is in your mind.

“Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.” - G. Michael Hopf

@@travismiles5885 hence a big reason we as humans wont go extinct from over comfort because of 2 differences with mice and humans which is humans have a more developed frontal cortex so more likely to think logically and be aware then mice. The second is because humans live substantially longer than mice so better able to be aware and realize they are going through behavioral sink

Yes yes keep mocking your end you hopeless people... Or accept the parallels between this mouse society and yours, and the implications, and do something about it

@@AHWAProductions Or learn about Alhazen (أبو علي، الحسن بن الحسن بن الهيثم) and the scientific method he developed. We still use it today. Calhoun didn't. This was not a scientific enterprise. This was a propaganda exercise meant to address overpopulation. There are no parallels that can be drawn from this study, though overpopulation is a very real problem.

Take a look at prisons. Where all means of survival are provided. Except people go crazy and violent.

they needed chew toys AND slides

and owning nothing.

@@HouseFairyDIY sounds amazing!

😂 Imagine trusting an even Bigger Government, can't relate!

The WEF is a woke boogeyman for woke westerners that will never go near those subjects. The closest thing that ever happened was birth control in China.

Actually it did happend. Rat had incest within there groups but that was before the decline of the rats birth and some rats where born with problems

This is an excellent point. Incest in all mammals result to weaker genetics: which explains why the "beautiful ones" are dumb and are only preoccupied with sleep, food, and grooming. The extremes of NO SOCIALISATION and AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOUR are similar symptoms to retardations which are often evident in children borne out of incest.

If those were standard lab rat strains, they would've already been incested to perfection, making all descendants clones of each other with no variability. Things you mentioned - population bottlenecking and genetic drift - are relevant when you have natural population from the real world, with deseases and variability. When those strains were bred, any imperfections were discarded, leaving increasingly healty, increasingly similar individuals.

So many problems with this experiment. Simulations are not reality. Period. Not saying there wasn't useful information learned from this, just that it doesnt correlate with reality. They had a large living space, but were not free to go where they want in a natural environment. Also having everything provided robbed the mice of important parts of their natural behavior and psychology or instinct. They could not feel the sun, fresh air, the grass and bush, dig in the ground, burrow, explore. Big freaking difference. Unlike humans the mice were not intelligent enough to redirect that energy. They had no culture for enrichment. This experiment means much less than you think. That the scientists who made it could not see this is very alarming, it shows a ridiculous lack of perspective and intelligence.

pretty sure aliens are behind every industrial revolution.

Shut up 🥴😆

I think about that long time 😞

Read the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. That is the premise of the whole story. The heroes of the story get to visit the factory where earth was made. It was commissioned by mice as a retirement village. A character called slartybartfast designed and built the Norwegian fjords and gave them a tour of earth 2, a spare that wasn't quite finished yet. The mice had lost interest in it. It's all a sarcastic satire.

HUMANS ARE THE WORST SPECIES, RATS LOOK LIKE BOYSCOUTS IN COMPARISON

Or a coupl cats 🤣

Yes vg point- there are endless ways to tweak this but in the end its a trueman show and rather cruel

No it wouldn't. First of all nice try narc. second of all it wasn't that nice. finally the rats didn't have a small group of them whom were acting in the larger groups interests all the while tricking them into submission using any and every "threat" they could muster up in order to ultimately destroy the rest of the group. Fourth I just want another one bc I said finally all defiant and rude and it's funny to me if I was right but just dumb. anyway

In humans the super predator to the enclosure is war or the belief of potential war with our enemies

Lack of threat and need to problem solve . Was the population exposed to new stimuli

It is unclear, but I think it is population density. Rats are not used to environments with so many other rats, and that creates stress. (Population >> Dunbar's number)

exactly... and this utopia made this experiment unnatural plus improbable...

Utopia won't happen. We got natural disasters to kill and destroy lives then make the survivors unite again.

@@iamangel8808 to some extend utopia has already happened

These animals were confined in what would roughly be the equivalent of 200 or more people in a modest single-family house. They could not leave ever. No TV, radio, Internet, toys, electronics, reading material, nothing, just each other. You can guess about how 60% of humans live, but nobody lives in those conditions, not even close, nor will they, except perhaps in severely overcrowded prison units.

Thank you

and yet... us humans are trapped on this thing called planet earth. It is a Utopia, filled with everything we need... I see a number of similarities between our history and the story in this video.

All utopias are prisons.

You mean the Ayran races.

@@donall5302 japan and korea has decreasing population since a decade ago.

@@bryanleong5939 that's true, Japan our fascist allies of old, are declining aswell and have come out and said they'll be accepting mass immigration, God bless the Japanese. South Korea have brought in legislation to try and save their race, unsurprisingly the UN/Jews have backed them.

Simulations are not reality. Period. Not saying there wasn't useful information learned from this, just that it doesnt correlate with reality. They had a large living space, but were not free to go where they want in a natural environment. Also having everything provided robbed the mice of important parts of their natural behavior and psychology or instinct. They could not feel the sun, fresh air, the grass and bush, dig in the ground, burrow, explore. Big freaking difference. Unlike humans the mice were not intelligent enough to redirect that energy. They had no culture for enrichment. This experiment means much less than you think. That the scientists who made it could not see this is very alarming, it shows a ridiculous lack of perspective and intelligence.

We too are actually having a population decrease too, the worst one since the 30s actually

Have a mice day!

I've noticed this is the only thing that can get me through these days, and a good dose of aesthetically delivered knowledge from the past

Try the milo and timtam slam

i'm more of a dark chocolate and cold water guy myself..