UNMASKING THE UPSTART CROW: Why John Florio Was Accused of Stealing Works from Other Authors. 

Yeah maybe, Ben Jonson describes Shakespeare's acting style as to Haterius the Roman Senator who would ramble on until he was told to shut up. So Allyn was probably not the only one being complained about for ad-libbing. So that makes three good candidates for the upstart crow, Robert Green was a writer, so would he have been more concerned with the borrowings of other writers or the theatrical embellishments of actors? I do not think that actors embellishing lines rises to the level of the accusation made by Greene whereas the borrowing of plotlines by a writer would. Harvey and Florio both lost the patronage of Leicester for different social faux pas. Harvey was a bit of a nutter with delusions of grandeur. Florio made a couple of unfortunate remarks in his book First Fruits. Once it becomes obvious that only one man coined and used unique words in the First Folio and with the origin of these unique words in 1611 then the whole SAQ issue becomes nothing more than tilting at windmills.

​@@MrAbzuSo I'm not really here to discuss Hapaxes or whether Florio is the bard. None of the pertains to this video. Mari says as much in the video. But...umm...have you read Groatsworth? This is an actor being referenced. "Buckram gentlemen," and "painted faces," are actors not translators. "Bombast out blank verse," is a clear reference to Alleyn performing Tamburlaine AS WELL AS a clear reference to his own play which he wrote and in which he starred: TamerCan. Clearly, this is the play that pissed off Marlowe. Also "shake-scene" is a reference to his large stature and loud voice. He literally shook the rafters while performing. It would not be a reference to Shakespeare as the name did not yet exist. Remember this is before V&A was printed. Also "Tiger's Heart" is from H6 which Greene/Marlowe/Kyd would have helped write. This isn't Greene/Chettle complaining about the author of H6--they are the authors. Also, here's the thing, Greene probably isn't even the correct name to put on Groatsworth. This is by Henry Chettle. ALSO a Henslowe playwright. What does Chettle have to do with Florio? Not much that I know of. Unless Florio is somehow part of Henslowe crew. I applaud Mari's efforts to try to place Florio amidst this fray, but it seems a little forced. There's no internal evidence to suggest it. Sad fact is that Florio is a translator and none of this pamphlet is about a translator. But while I've got you here, I gotta mention, I've pretty much found definitive proof WS is not one pen. It's the Henslowe Writers as a group in varying combinations. Perhaps Florio is the ghostwriter behind one of them. Or perhaps he was only a later editor (but still vastly important.) Or perhaps he is close friends with one of them. Or perhaps he is another allonymic front-man of the same author as one of Henslowe's allonymic-frontmen--which I know you won't like. But if you're wondering where I'm going with this, it's John Webster. (Hey, just maybe, perhaps this is Florio) John Webster can be shown, 100% verifiably, to be the hand behind Measure for Measure. And Webster as a front for Florio would not be the craziest thing. Webster is highly protestant. Webster is highly influenced by Sidney, writing a memorial masque for him. Measure for Measure seems to have several phrases from Astrophil & Stella and is set in Vienna (all Sidney stuff, which Webster is only 6 when Sidney dies.) I can prove it using parallel passages, highlighting metrics, diction, syntax, Stylometry and Cyrus Hoy's linguistic tests, including idiosyncratic contractions unique to Webster. It will also show Chillington was right about Webster and Hand D. It will also show Henslowe tells us more than we seem to accept and that is a mistake our parts. Henslowe literally has some answers and no one has realized. Well, almost no one. 😊 If Florio is Webster, that would put him almost exactly where you've been saying: not 100% of WS, but a ton; revising a lot of earlier non-Webster/Florio WS into its better form; he's pro-protestant; pro-Italian; pro-feminist; he would give Florio an actual pen-name that is known to have actually written plays and not just had his name printed; he's pro-Sidney as I've said--like maybe the same as the guy who helped edit the Arcadia. Webster also writes with Marston, the other hyper-Italian playwright. But this whole thing, I promise you, is assuredly more complicated than saying Florio is WS as a simple 1 to 1. Check out Duchess of Malfi--most quoted source in the whole play is...The Arcadia (over 20 unique quotes pulled directly from it). Same source that Lear, MND, et al uses. At some point take some of my Sidney stuff and run with it. Hope to put a video together showing all of this. From there it's just deciding if we think all of the Henslowe Writers are fronts or not. And then deciding who's who if we do, connecting them to possible fronts from Uni Wits era. The fronts don't have to be aristocrats by any means--even if I lean that way myself. Cheers Michael! Thanks for the continued passionnnnn and the ongoing challengeeeee!! Also, thanks Mari if you're reading this. Steal anything I've got if it sounds good. If not, no biggie, I'll keep watching and digging.

@@chancecolbert7249 Didn't young Will of Stratford bring his name with him when he came to London and got his start with Henslowe. Maybe Young Will drew the short straw so his name got to be used as the pseudonym. Florio outlived most of his contemporaries and he left us a great legacy of those times. My entire purpose in SAQ was to identify who wrote the book, Florio referred to the book as "my great work", in the possessive. He wrote what was published and claimed it as his own. This video tells a more complex story with many contributors along the way likely going back to North. So the great magpie was also the greatest finisher of all time, a true Babe Ruth clean-up batter. How it all progressed with various contributors along the way will be an endless source of speculation. As I told you previously, 1611 is the single most important date in SAQ because it is the earliest arrival date of many new words into the English language and next found in the First Folio. With that realization the SAQ issue for me is reflected nicely in this medieval chant song about children chasing shadows on the wall, can't quite seem to catch them. Enjoy. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-d2i1mQahs2c.html

​@@MrAbzuNope Will wasn't in Henslowe. Sorry. And I'll find plenty of pre-1611 words for ya and then you can re-work your theory to better suit the realities of the situation. Good show!

@@chancecolbert7249 In Italian maybe. The man who had the words wrote the book. Young Will was in several companies, if he was with Henslowe it would have been early and not for long. First you must identify the windmill you are tilting at: a list of words. You will have that list when Mari publishes her work or you duplicate her research. In the mean time read some Lamberto Tassinari, "John Florio : The Anglified Italian Who Invented Shakespeare". Shakespeare is not understated enough to have been written by any Englishman, too out of character. Let the evidence speak, if you can find any, good luck.

@@Chris-bg4vi interesting point of view chris ☺️