Unofficial High Speed Tour of Borden Base Military Museum 

A spandau! Shall be no match for my trusty bren gun!

Yep the chauchat is scorched into my memory too

Hey come on he made a couple of good points about the Bren.

I'm simultaneously proud, and alarmed by my ability to correctly label firearms and armoured vehicles ; - ;

@@hallamhal Very different weapons!

DEEF Never knew that. I wonder if he and Lafayette g. Pool ever crossed paths.

He fought for the Jews ?

One thing you hosers can brag about. Good for you eh?

2015. 🙂 Really amazing man, lived on a farm in Wilno in his retirement with a working Sherman - think a later model, one of the ones we got to fill our armour regiments, post war. The 8 CH in Petawawa used to sometimes send two soldiers there every month to help him maintain it and other things. There was a fire there in the late 80s or early 90s, IIRC, after I'd been posted from regiment. He was the honorary Colonol of the RCAC when I was in and often met the soldiers on course. He had an uncanny memory of people's names and where they were from. Because I was from there, he told me once he was based at the Cape Spear coastal defence fort, Newfoundland and Labrador before his unit went to the UK and converted to armour. In the 80s, at a mess dinner, he insisted the Sherman was the best tank of the war because they were so easily fixed and replaceable. Used to say something to the effect of "I'd lose shermans during the day and the next day there would be replacements. When the Germans lost a tank, it was gone."

Thats not a Parade Ground

He would do that, he's Irish.

@@RobMcGinley81 - Doesn't matter, we'd get yelled at for even walking on the grass in front of our quarters if there was staff around. If you're in civi's/out of uniform no one cares though.

@@ShortThrowShifting that's right

What do you mean the queens grass? I didnt see any Maryjane there hehe. Seriously what is the problem walking on a military museums grass?

Work smarter not harder :-)

lololololololololol

"Use to drive a Cadillac.. now I toss it in my track... "

Yep....I too would prefer to go into battle sitting down..

As we in the Cav say......"a 2nd class ride is better than a 1st class walk" !

It is now at the war museum in Ottawa.

to gutted for his standards for an inside the hatch perhaps?

@@whelmy I wouldn't say so, a vehicle with a nearly intact electrical system usually means a mostly complete vehicle, since that is generally the first system taken out of a vehicle which is being gutted. Some parts like the machine gun mount, escape hatch and radios are missing, but it is probably as complete (in terms of amount of parts in any condition) as the Panzer 3 in Bovington. However, the vehicle has been sitting out in the tank park, exposed for around 50 to 60 years, so it is not pretty inside, and every part is covered in dust and rust, and some parts like the commander's seat and turret basket are over half eaten by rust. I made a 22 second clip from where the escape hatch was, and most of what you can see is dust in the air. So I wouldn't say it is gutted, even for his high standards, instead it is un-restored, rusty, dusty and gross for someone like the Chieftain to be in, or anyone for that matter.

@@starwars9876-i4t He's been in some stinkers, all right.

Unfortunately that particular ram in our collection (the Borden military museum has 2 complete Rams and several other destroyed Rams that were used as hard targets) while not being gutted, is totally rusted out inside. Nothing about that tank is salvagable

how cheap were those tank if I may ask?

You can buy one right now for $66.7k, so cheaper than most high end sports cars.

LOL

Second last. UK has one, I believe.

@@DataWaveTaGo We do. It's based in Lincolnshire.

@@DataWaveTaGo Indeed you're right.

There is a Lancaster in Ft.MacLeod, Alberta, halfway from Calgary to the U.S. border

@@richardkey4289 Yes she is, but she ain't flying.

A wild Ash I see

Hey I know that guy

Same here i had no idea... kind of a shame now that i know

Same here. I lived across the street from the museum

@@keitheckensviller250 racist

@@abaialsa712 how does anything I've said make me a racist? Or are you one of those people who just see a white guy in a uniform and just call them a racist? Either way you are pretty short sited.

And ... you can purchase flights in many aircraft including the Lancaster bomber. Well worth the price for a once in a lifetime experience.

Don't forget for a long time Canada used the same stuff the Brits did.

The last time I was on base was 1979. I didn't recognize _anything_ on my visit today. Much has changed...

Was it just as bad as the US F-105 Thunderchief? We have one at the National Museum of the US Air Force near Dayton, Ohio.

Avro Arrow...completely different but probably even more useless. Why develop a high speed bomber interceptor right when ICBMs are introduced, rendering the bomber threat nonexistent...?

@@budmeister The CF105 had nothing to do with an F-105 Thunderchief. The CF105, (Avro Arrow) was a delta winged interceptor far more capable than anything else in the world at the time.

@@thomrobitaille3942 Remember the HMS dreadnaught single handedly defeated the entire Royal Navy overnight... Maybe the CF105 was actually TOO good.

We [US] got the engineers. Then sold the Canadians F-101s and F-104s in return.

With the Iroquois engines, the numbers on the Arrow would still be up there with the best - Mach 2.5+ and incredible climb and max altitude numbers. Diefenbaker (Canadian Conservative Prime Minister) did a backroom deal with the Yanks and used the money saved to pay Quebec Dairy Farmers their payola....... Crappy Politics once again...widowmakers instead of world beaters.

Barber Shop and Clark . Did I see a Video where they found an engine and were going to bring it back to Canada ?

"The Avro Arrow holds a special place in the hearts of Canadian conspiracy theorists - it’s 'artisanal Canadian myth-making, hand-woven, fair-trade, and 100% organic'. As I said back in 2004, this is the only truly Canadian conspiracy theory (Colby Cosh calls it our 'Napoleon-hat' complex)." quotulatiousness.ca/blog/2018/08/23/lost-model-of-the-avro-arrow-found-off-prince-edward-county/

@@barbershoppodcast Agreed . People forget without the proper turbines it flew many times and flew very well. It was not a Pipe dream. It was not final proved but with normal final teething processes its potential was immense. A grave loss for my beloved country. Canadians of that generation didn't do anything that wasn't top notch.

Ha Ha

The gates are actually guarded. The Lisle gate will get closed at nights, whereas the gates to Alliston and Angus are more open as people come and go from there.

Tim Fuke Montreal Aviation Museum (MAM) in, where else, Montreal

What ever happened to the Panther V that was across the street from the Museum circa 1974 I wonder?

@@leeenfield4900 unfortunately that was donated to the Ottawa war museum who then repainted it in a desert camo scheme. It was donated along with several other vehicles in the early 2000s by a Borden base commander who tragically had little appreciation for armour. It can still be seen in Ottawa fortunately

@@Westonatorful Ack, I wonder if that's what happened to the Hetzer, too? I did a lot of visits to WTP as a troop leader from Petawawa (8 CH and later RCD) in the 80s. 🙂

@@gungatim6630 the hetzer is currently getting restored along side the flakpanzer wirbelwind. It's held in the building just north of the museum

@@Westonatorful Ah, thanks, Jonas. 🙂

Don't the LAV IIIs still have that windscreen too?

Yeah, the start of the video was really hard to watch because of this

Well it is during a workday.

DitzyDoo I would recommend the museum centralize the displays in one area. The way it is now is totally disjointed and does not allow for any comparisons to be made. Its like, oh look theres another one behind a tree way off in the distance. Why do we do this to ourselves,

@@bobbydouzepis8260 I understand your view, but what I take from the way they've laid out the displays have a connection with the many tree speciesism's displayed on the chart in the main building that Nick thought was a vehicle chart. I think the Major General who founded it was an arborist.

Nathan Payette does the ram not count as early sherman? They where called ram too right?

Umm not really it was more like an m3 lee with a cast hull and a better turret with a 6 pdr

Same boss too.😎

he’s a pretty cool dude, very friendly

It's under restoration

Haha! The Scotsman in me was thinking exactly the same!

FYI if you ever go. In the other section of the meseum( not shown here) they have an engeneering drawing of the avro arrow.

Home of RCEME. Lots of testing and tech stuff as a result.

I did not, but I did automatically think "whip it good" when he said "Whippet".

i was wondering how many people ducked when he said duck?!

We took the backroads to get there, so we only had about 45 minutes to quickly run through the vehicle hall before they closed. Even so, worth the trip to Borden.

They re-used the same info plate for two different Centurion examples ... I suspect the curator was on vacation when that one was printed up.

Damn development of ICBMs rendering the need for high-speed bomber interceptors completely useless at the time when the Arrow project was finishing up.

Panzermeister36 🤣😂

EddieG Diefenbaker inherited the program from the Liberals. The program costs were already out of control. I do not think its fair to constantly blame the man for killing the program. The documentation shows that the Airforce had a hand in axing it. Instead of blaming the Americans for the ending of the program (they certainly saw an opportunity when the costs went thru the roof) we should accept some responsibility as Canadians in this. Remember the British went thru almost exactly the same thing with their TSR2. Escalating costs, diminishing returns etc..,. Before it too was killed.

He should have, Dave (the guy escorting him) is the project leader for the Wirbelwind restoration, and was wearing a Flakpanzer Restoration golf shirt that day

@@starwars9876-i4t maybe he is doing another video specifically about it?

@@greggougeon4422The Chieftain does work for Wargaming and the Wirbelwind is not in any of their games, and he is probably in Canada on a business trip so he can film inside of a vehicle which is in one of their games (my guess would be the Valentine or the Ram), though it would be nice if he makes a video about it, further raising awareness of the restoration, however I would say it is unlikely

@@starwars9876-i4t it makes me sad he works for that curse of a game company. Although I can't get mad because he probaly would mot make any videos if he did not work for them. It's the only one in the world so I hope he makes a video about it. Also if he worked for gaijin he couls do a video about it they had spaa in the game.

@@greggougeon4422If I many make a correction, there are only 2 Flakpanzer IV "Wirbelwinds" left in the world, the other one being in the Flak Museum somewhere in Germany (well hey, it's still an extremely rare Panzer whether there is only 1 or 2 left in the world!). But out of both Flakpanzers, the Borden example is the most complete internally and by the end of its restoration, it will be the only running and firing, complete Flakpanzer of ANY description in the world (including the Gepard, Mobelwagen, Flakpanzer 1, Kugelblitz, etc.), so it is still an incredible vehicle. And if I may add, Sabot Videos is the official film channel of the restoration (which they have 39 episodes currently going back to April 2017) so at least there is a channel on RU-vid that gives insight into the restoration. As well the project has an official Facebook page called the "Flakpanzer Restoration Project". But out of all these sources, I have the most amount of insight into the project (a little secret of mine, believe it or not, I am a member of the restoration team, and more, my role in the restoration is to document the whole vehicle technically, including reverse engineering parts that need to be refabricated, making assembly manuals for once the vehicle is reassembled, cataloguing each individual part, documenting the restoration as a whole, etc... SHHH!!!!!! DON'T TELL ANYONE!!!). So if you have any further inquiries into the project or the vehicle, you can just ask me =)

The only time Canada used the Churchill was during the Dieppe raid. So there are no good memories here of that tank.

Dieppe...a lesson paid for with the slaughter of many Canadian troops.The shingle beach would have defeated any tank .No grip and the stones broke the tracks..The Canadian Sherman losses in the Caen sector to 88,s were also heavy.Thats why these artifacts need to be preserved.The sacrifice of your countrymen is passing from living memory.The Schoolchildren need to see these with video testimony from those who fought in them before the veterans are all gone...Bovington only has a shot up range target of one these Howitzer Churchills .

The engine and transmission for the vehicle is inside of the museum, and you can see it at 7:55 , so some of the vehicle is preserved indoors, and once we find space, hopefully the Churchill, the firefly and the Crab will be moved indoors, and an eventual restoration will be done on those vehicles

Bovington was the same with alot of her Gems outside.They then applied for and got big money from the heritage lottery fund.This paid for many projects such as the restoration of the Tiger and a new workshop.Maybe this museum could do the same.There are some great pieces there.Get some running and do a Tank Fest.