Austrian Armour at the Heeresgeschichtliches Museum, Part 1 

I had the pleasure to join a guided tour with Mr. Brödl, and when it comes to M60, you can see the pure love in his eyes. It´s as he would talk of his first girlfriend :) Great!

Too bad the English developed the TANK

Yes, well said my friend. Work with or even around armour and it's difficult NOT to become enthralled. Like it or not, we humans enjoy preparing for war and actually killing each other. Generally in as many different inventive ways as possible. Nothing fits the bill more than a tank. It has one function, to close with and destroy one's enemies. The steel monsters are imposing and quite deliberately terrifying. I remember well the Challengers of the 1991 Gulf War and thinking "Thank the gods they are on our side." The crews were chomping at the bit to be at the enemy. As was everyone else if I'm honest. That's when I realised that conflict is the natural state of the human animal. Bring it on.

@@samholdsworth420 Except they didn't. The British developed the tracked land battleship.

@@RichWhiteUM If anything, it was the french that invented the tank to be used in mass.

That's rough

Yes, as stated in the video.

Ur comment made me realise how stupid that name is Herresgeschichtliches museum

No-one(!) expects the... Irish Tank Historian?

No one expects the Irish armour exposition!

Damnit! Beat me to it!

Bernhard kast is hiding behind the tank....

no one expects the chieftain inquisition!

I'm almost expecting a new video with MHV now. :D

Nope: That one goes to Leonardo da Vinci. Along with the helicopter. He had some really mad ideas, designed and models produced, and even prototypes. Might not have worked, but he had the designs...

@@stevepowell491 There's they key -- da Vinci's design never could have worked. The Austrian's designs were actually practical. If you're going to include da Vinci, then you'll have to include all sorts of science fiction writers with impossible descriptions.

Pictures speak louder than words, operational prototypes shout louder than pictures.

Yup.

Since this was only on paper, the award for the first working modern style tank probably has to go to the French, who had the Renault FT-17 during WWI. It was also the tank used by the American Expeditionary Forces in the same war. It was rear engine with a centerline top mounted 360 degree rotation turreted gun, either a short barreled 37mm cannon or a Hotchkiss 8mm machinegun. It was also smaller and more maneuverable than the British tracked land battleships. Keeping up with the naval theme, the FT-17 was like a destroyer compared to the British tank. We won't even talk about the German tank from that time. The FT-17 really was ahead of its time considering what the other tanks of the period looked like. If you're ever in the Harrisburg, PA, USA area, the U.S. Army has a FT-17, with the 37mm, on display at the United States Army Heritage and Education Center located just outside of Carlisle Barracks. It is completely free admission to the general public. It looks really nice from the outside but I don't know what the interior's condition is in. I wasn't able to look inside it.

well he's austrian, not german :)

For me, the biggest joke is that people think Germans can't do simple things because I have seen German engineers create sublimely simple things. Indeed, the real German engineering tradition is to deliver exactly what the customer asked for. If a German thing is complicated, it is because the people ordering it asked for it to be complicated. If they ask for simple, they get beautifully simple. The real question is why Germans keep ordering complicated things!

@@genericpersonx333 I think one could assume it's because of their excessive use of compound words.

@@genericpersonx333 Maybe pride or need to push things over what is feasible. Queue Tiger Mause Rat. Pant *gun drawn behind head. Well. The fact is that people making up requirements for something finds the limit where there is a push back and they do not get there way. Or the results of trying to deliver it shows to be just not working makes destitution makers comply anyways. Point is if neater of this things happen complicated things are created. And it seems like there are some really good ..... around that deal with bad plans and ideas. Not only engineers is it true for to be clear. A real question is why there is no German electronics or software made. Imagen if we had a Windows Or Mac competitor developed back in the 70-90s. But I guess WW2 and cold war is the answer. Instead of the sorry state of US, UK and Asia stuff we can have had Mercedes/BMW hardware and software made stupid expensive but just so dam well made in the 2000s that now today we instead of the the years trying to turn cars into electronics and plastic heaps of junk we can have had a decent computers and crap cars. But what do I know. Just find it odd that the engineering of complicated things where not put on the task of making a computer and OS that is well made but over complicated. Instead of badly made and complicated. ;c

@@TheHalo294 Well tbf Austrians are Germans, just not Germans. Or more clearly they are Deutsch, not Deutschlanders.

I think it was more the Netherlands saying, behind closed doors where only the politicians could hear, "why should we pay to keep these expensive tanks when the Americans will bring all the tanks we need and more if a real war breaks out?" Really, that is what all the NATO members actually are saying when they decide to shed a military capability. So long as the Americans keep promising to bring their 7,000+ tanks to save NATO, much of NATO finds it tempting to quietly reduce their own tank fleets down while claiming all sorts of military reasons for it. Note, the Poles and other NATO members who actually can see Russians within spitting distance are a lot less keen to reduce tank numbers than the British, Germans, and others who have some buffer between them and the danger.

@@genericpersonx333 Supposedly Canada and Netherlands momentainly gave up the tanks because they assumed they were "dead" or useless for the modern warfare and since then changed opinion, if I remember right the Netherlands even been renting Leopard 2s from Germany in the meantime. But you are right, since the big Soviet "boogy man" crumbled in the early 1990s that most NATO countries went into the "f*ck the Defense budget, let's just waste almost all the taxpayer's money in welfare policies because that allows us to buy votes for our incompetant, corrupt a*ses while playing kind and social conscious...the yankees will save our a*ses if anything nasty happens" mode and that leaded to the "be caught with the pants down" status in which most European NATO state members are in matters of Defense. The Eastern European states been a bit different, as you very well pointed, because the memory of the russian imperialism is too recent - they just get free from it, it was just 30 years ago or so - and they are the ones with the russians constantly breathing on their necks, they can put bigger, richer countries like Germany, France and the UK to shame in matters of Defense even being young (if you considered how long they been locked into the USSR) less wealthy countries. In the 1960s-1970s the little, poor Portugal managed to wage a sucessful war in multiple, overseas fronts in Africa against guerillas financed by foreign powers like the USSR and even the USA. In 2020 we have 220 generals costing 13,9 millions of euros per year for a total of just 27.741 effectives! What a hell?

​@@antonio_fidalgo For sure, bloated officer ranks is a tradition among European bureaucratic states, which Portugal is not exempt. Spain, Italy, and others have similarly enjoyed odd ratios of general officers to enlisted on and off for generations. At one point, the Royal Navy had over sixty admirals on the active rolls when the official requirement only called for five. They really haven't fixed that problem since... I also heartily agree that Portugal is one of those nations that I would not like to antagonize if I had anything to say about it. The fact the M60s were properly retired only after actually bringing in the Leopards shows that at least one of those 220 generals is trying to keep the forces current. There is something about Portuguese that says "we are wonderful friends, but God help you if you make us your enemy." I like that.

No, The Netherlands didn't think the tank was dead, but the army had to sell them because of budget cuts.

Cold War germany had Leopard 1, Leopard 2 and M48A2GA2 all in service at the same time.

Wery sad how noone really talks about such countries. Its usually all about the Allies, the USSR and Germany after ww2. Noone talks about Austria, Japan, France, Vietnam. With specific exceptions for each of course. But thats it. Lots of very interesting dacts are left out for students. Like when the soviets letr Austria in 1955, they took (stole) all heavy machinery with them. So austriams had to pretty much rebuild certain factories.

@@toshibami its even worse for certain regions that are today forgotten. If there is peace and the economy is running well, you dont hear anything. But in the background the covert -ization is always underway. What the russians are doing in ukraine loud and brutal, is happening silently in Spain and Catallnia, Great Britain and Scotland, Italy and Southtyrol (most glaring as they are completly different Ethnic groups.), Germany and Bavaria...

The Englis(c)h causing future Problems in Nations they lost nothing? No, never! Greeting from Tyrol, the part Italy took. Haha

@@1südtiroltechnik tach, Südtiroler! LG aus Wien.

@@tristanvoltaire2058 Servus, LG zrugg!

@Size 6 has Chieftan ever done a bad one . Seems your the Anger Bot

@Size 6 I've been watching Chieftain for years now.

They still do but it's not bovington

He's guaranteed to have seen it, it's in a section of the hall between the wooden mockup and the APCs

It´s the former Bovington gate guard vehicle. It´s a loan of course.

Funny you should mention that....

Dann solltest dir Wien ansehen.........aber nur soviel: Hat mit den "Kätzchen" nichts zu tun und auch gänzlich andere Aufgaben. Chassis: Saurer SPZ (leicht verändert), französischer Wiegeturm (auch verändert und angepasst, 105 mm GIAT Kanone mit 12 Schuss in den Magazinen. Offiziell eigentlich als Jagdpanzer angeschafft, vielmehr als Aufklärer und leichter Panzer verwendet. Bin drinnen gesessen: Wenn du in einem KPZ Platzangst bekommen solltest...........dann niemals da rein setzen! Viel enger geht nicht mehr

@@geraldnoebauer Ich meinte den ersten österreichischen Schützenpanzer :) Das ein Schützenpanzer nichts mit einem Kampfpanzer zu tun hat, war mir bereits klar :) Aber danke für deine Mühe!

Maybe they show them in part 2.