I love how gently and kind in how you prove your points it is not demeaning. When it comes to African opinion. I've been born again myself but Christianity has things that have no solutions to an African or spirituality. I find it limited. Native spirituality I find it rich in wisdom and understanding. You dont read as a theory , its inner knowing and ability to interpret what you've observed. Thank you Tata. 🙏Christianity to me is like inganekwane yokuguider and protect abantwana.
As a born again Christian with a Rastafarian partner I'm so glad my spirit led me to this conversation. I can confidently say in my life usevukile uJesu!❤
Abba🙏is it possible that all these believes human beings have are tools for control, without them the mind will go wild, all human beings eat,shit,breath and die that can not be argued, oGod bonke laba namathonga are our own personal game of thrones and they help us in dealing with the possibility of death (ukuthi mawufa atleast uyo-joina abakini) Thank you for the powerful information oyidedelayo with each episode.
I have watched two videos of your conversation with Itumeleng and my perspective on Christianity has changed. She is a very knowledgeable lady and provided us with multiple nuggets of wisdom.
I would love to see a discussion of the esoteric meaning of the scriptures surely they speak different. Literal reading of the bible has got people lost in thinking that Jesus is also literal..
No disrespect intended! Greetings to the guest and Bhuti Ayalew. I am emasculated by my female sisters. TBH, I do not care. Great show once again. I learn every Thursday.
Greatings, Abba mogolo waka, what an enjoyable episode, I like how Itu articulate herself but i disagree with her in some instances, my question is, WHY ABBA ARE YOU SO LINIENT WITH YOUR DAUGHTER?? Its funny how that "emotional power" is working on you😂😂 give thanks
I like the conversation but I must say that I don't deny that the culture in the Bible is African and that there is valuable information in the Bible but we can not deny that the Bible has also misinformation, can not place context or has confused concepts, you went easy on her.
The notion ukuthi Christianity brought about colonialism and enslavement is false. Or the belief itself, because words can confuse us. Someone claiming to be something doesn't make them that. We obviously know in all fields you can find imposters. I urge everyone to study an Emperor of Rome by the name Constantine. The followers of "The Way" which is what believers were called, before the term Christian, started having big influence in Rome. Rome believed in their own Mythology like Isis, Zeus and so on. They then merged the beliefs of Christians and their Pagan beliefs which is why we have Roman Catholism. Anyway, to cut the long story short, they went to conquer via the Crusades in the name of God of the Bible because that was the way of Rome/Europe. To divide and conquer. What we believe as Christians enslaving us is actually Europe in the name of "Christianity" doing that. However, how God always works, he'll use evil for good. They were indirectly responsible for the Word reaching the world as planned. For the testimony of Christ to be known and received then from there we saw for ourselves that the guys who brought it contradicted it themselves. They didn't act according to the belief. But we got to receive the truth for all humanity, for whatever nation, tribe and tongue. Because God is universal and not African. Once we see it as a human kind act rather than tribal, we can get closer to the truth
Very interesting conversation guys and your guest is very honest and bright...I command you Abba in being able to listen to your guest , Goosebumps from watching this.❤
Morning to all. Here is another unpopular opinion. One reason why people think the Bible is written TO them is because of the word ‘WORLD‘. The very second people read ‘WORLD‘ in the Bible, they immediately conclude that it refers to the entire globe or planet earth. The fact, however, is that every time the word ‘WORLD‘ is mentioned in the Bible, it does not expressly refer to the entire planet. In fact, the concept of a global world view was not found in the Bible until the late 1800s. Lots of folks seem to forget that the Bible is a compilation of writings, and these writings were not originally penned in English language. They were penned in Hebrew and Koine Greek. When the translators used the English word ‘WORLD‘, they were trying to express ancient Hebrew and Greek concepts using our very limited English language. Let’s look at these concepts: ***AION. In Matthew 24, the disciples asked Jesus about the end of the ‘WORLD‘. The word translated ‘WORLD’ is the Greek word AION, and it simply means a period of time or an age. It never refers to the entire globe. The conversation between Jesus and His disciples was not about the end of the whole world but about the end of the Old Covenant/Jewish/Mosaic Age. This AION/Age ended at the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD. ***OIKOUMENE. In Luke’s Gospel, we’re told that Caesar Augustus ordered that the whole ‘WORLD‘ should be taxed. It’s quite obvious that Caesar couldn’t have ordered for the entire globe to be taxed because there was never a time when the Roman Empire ruled the entire world. He could only tax the regions that were under his dominion. OIKOUMENE specifically referred to the Roman Empire which ruled parts of world. Again, when Jesus said the Gospel would be preached in all the ‘WORLD‘, OIKOUMENE is used again! He was not speaking about taking the Gospel all over the earth but in all the regions covered by the Roman Empire. The Apostles finished that job. ***KOSMOS. This is the word every one thinks refers to the ‘WHOLE WORLD‘. But KOSMOS simply means constitution, orderly arrangement or government. It refers to an ordered system. In early Greek literature, KOSMOS was used to refer to establishing cultures or building cities. So when John made statements like: “God so loved the KOSMOS”, “Look, the lamb who came to take away the sin of the KOSMOS” and “the KOSMOS was passing away”, he was not referring to the entire globe. He was speaking about Israel and its Old Covenant system, structure and culture. Another word wrongly translated is EARTH. All through the Hebrew Old Testament, the word earth is from the Hebrew word ERETS. ERETS simply means land or ground. So when you read that the flood waters covered the surface of “ALL THE EARTH”, the Hebrew text would read “KOL ERETS” - meaning the flood covered all the GROUND/LAND (indicating the flood was local, not global). In the New Testament writings, the Greek word translated earth is GE, and it means the same thing - region, ground, land. The word NATION is another wrongly interpreted word. NATION is translated from the Greek ETHNOS. ETHNOS refers to a tribe or population which share a common national/cultural descent and tradition. Which tribes would the New Testament writers be concerned about? The Efik tribe of Nigeria or the Luo tribe of Kenya? Obviously, the 12 tribes of Israel. There is no word in the Bible that speaks expressly about the entire planet. The story was Israel’s story - from beginning to the end. You don’t need to drag yourself into it just to get an identity
In a bid to drag themselves into Israel’s story, Christians keep talking about how Paul took the Gospel beyond Jewish borders to other nations. But Paul and the other apostles were not reaching out to just about anyone. They were reaching out to the Diaspora - Israelites who lived outside of Israel’s physical borders. Throughout the history of Israel, they have been conquered and sent into exile several times. Below are a couple of facts about the Diaspora. ***The first significant Israelite Diaspora was the result of the Babylonian Exile of 586 BC. After the Babylonians conquered the Kingdom of Judah, part of the Jewish population was deported into slavery. When Cyrus the Great of Persia conquered Babylonia, he permitted the Jews to return to their homeland in 538 BC. While many of them had returned to Israel when the opportunity arose, many others stayed. ***But exile was just a small reason for the presence of Israelites in other nations. Many of them would have left Israel for economic and political reasons also. The largest, most significant, and culturally most creative Jewish Diaspora in early Jewish history flourished in Alexandria - where, in the 1st century BC, 40 percent of the population was Jewish. Around the 1st century AD, an estimated 5,000,000 Israelites lived outside the borders of Israel but they looked to Israel as the centre of their religious and cultural life. ***Israelites were scattered across so much of the ‘known world‘ that Jewish historian, Josephus asserted that: “there is no city, no tribe, whether Greek or barbarian, in which Jewish law and Jewish customs have not taken root.” By the time of Yeshua’s coming, Jews were scattered throughout the Roman Empire. As such, when Yeshua began his ministry, there were more Israelites living outside of Israel than in it. This is important to realize because it helps us to understand just how perfect the timing of Yeshua’s coming was. With Greek being widely spoken throughout the Roman Empire and Israel having been scattered or dispersed among other nations, the time was right for Jesus to come and the gospel to spread throughout the Roman Empire. As Galatians 4:4-5 says, “But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, BORN UNDER THE LAW, to redeem those who were UNDER THE LAW, that we might receive the adoption as sons” Little wonder the Jewish religious leaders would wonder where Jesus was going and if He was intending to go to “the Dispersion among the Greeks.” In Acts 8:1-4 we see the gospel being spread as the persecution of Jewish believers began in Jerusalem. The Jewish believers were “scattered” or dispersed “throughout the regions of Judea and Samaria” and “those that were scattered went everywhere within the Roman Empire preaching the word.” Those first Jewish believers who fled Israel because of the persecution that started after the death of Stephen would have gone throughout the Roman Empire taking the message of Yeshua to already established Jewish communities and synagogues all over the Roman Empire. Again, in Acts 11:19, we see the word Diaspora is used in reference to Jewish believers, who: “…scattered after the persecution that arose over Stephen [and] traveled as far as Phoenicia, Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to no one but the Jews ONLY.” As Jewish believers were forced to flee Jerusalem due to persecution, they travelled to almost any part of the Roman Empire, found Jewish populations and Jewish synagogues where they shared the message of Yeshua - the Messiah. They couldn’t have gone to anyone else because only their brethren knew the Old Testament promises of the Messiah. So, when James wrote in his Epistle that he was writing to “the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad” (James 1:1), he was clearly writing to Israelites scattered throughout the Roman Empire - not just anyone.
My sister that is the spirit you need to come to terms with. If you’re truly anointed you will be push and beaten by the ancestors spirit to come to full understanding of your self.
Let’s get real when we talk about spirituality! we Speak about good and evil, mind heart blood. there is a set of human beings that have a demonic spirit. We do not understand. And put us all into confusion. The creator is so merciful to the anointed ones. Evil exist dominates it is so powerful. Love exist love is also powerful.
when we come into this world we come naked, body mind & soul...whatever systems(religious/lifestyle etc) you learn while on this earth...to say that these systems are the original way of man is really a limitation to self...remember the law, religious belief systems, pharmaceutical industry and and....were forms of civilization formed by a human like me and you...its surprising how we defend the word of other men or entities which we never even knew.
what is the meaning of "isilo sa manzi" Abba's clan name? I know manzi is water I just need clarity. The christianity we know today is far from the truth that the original people are supposed to learn. I always ask myself does one really need to stick to praying or it is all about alignment of the mind, body and soul to operate from the higher self?
We are spiritual beings, and someone comes who's balanced in physical and spirit. Look at this 😅😂 they say Jesus, he moved around places learning different ways of living, meditation ext and came back with a very high vibration in the spirit to people who their vibrations were low in the spirit, which made it easy their spirits to submit to him/his 😅😂 "some give them time to study the bible" Jesus is born 12yrs later he desuppeir and appears when is 30yrs 🤔🤔 which means he was taking time studying probably different cultures ways of living maybe how people are as God's creation then came back as the "only" begiten son of God 😂😅 Well, I agree with ABBA when he says Jesus his a brother...
I really enjoyed this conversation 🙏🙏🙏 Thank you to the both of you guys😥 @Aba I have to also submit that you are indeed enlightened but I have always had a problem with you seeing life in duality instead of allowing yourself to assimilate completely in the oneness of God 🙏 But it's all love bhut'omdala/Grandmaster🙏
Is there any version of the bible, koran, or holy books that Abantu holds rights to? This fundamental question brings light to a very necessary solution. Those of us who care are not waiting on anyone to convert. We just remember that Abantu has a past lifestyle that we can live once again and it is aligned with Truth. We have lived the life of lies, humans only, for the past 2000 years since the humans reentered Africa as caucasian greeks (mutated) came to our shores.
It is what it is if someone has tampered with your spiritual roots then you would have no love for each other. For example if I come to South Africa as a black woman you would not consider me an African woman because I was not born on the soil. But if a white man goes to Europe European are a white Arab or a white person no matter where they are from they treat each other the same because of their skin color a white man it doesn’t matter where he came from. I live in America and in the suburbs there are white Arabs Chinese all white colored people the minute a black person said in that community there are eyes on you
Not every woman feels to apply logic! this is where the male have to know the female feelings and know how to work with her would love and compassion; communication is the key if there is love I’m not abuse. The woman would understand
In the Christian book it says the first followers of the messiah were first called Christians at Antioch Antioch is a city in the land of the Greeks before the Greeks and the Romans Africa never had anything called Christianity, Christianity was taken from a Pharoah of Egypt called Akhanathen who defiled his fathers way of worship come up with his own from many gods to one God which I believe he is the Abraham of Christians Jews and Islam his religion was taken by some in Egypt and in Ethiopia and they called themselves coptics the Greeks called them Christianous and the Romans called them Christians and the version of the Romans spread out the whole world through America
After watching this conversation, I don't think I can continue to invest my time in this podcast. Weak conversation, no substance, not engaging in any way. The guest was just given a platform to encourage self hate without much of a challenge.
Christianity when you are still under its spell is a good religion. Once your eyes are open it is the most disgusting book. Every thing you read there is opposite in the original language. Sometime it is not at all what you think. They crafted it so cleverly because very few people go back to read and understand the original language of the Bible that is Hebrew and Greek. I personally was so strong on it. I swear i could die for Christianity. Tongue talking, devil kicking and bible walking talker and everything you can imagine. When the awakening started it was during the personal bible study that the bible felt weird to me. Then i watched some videos on RU-vid but they missed what i saw. I started with one paleo Hebrew word and see how it can't be the translated word. Started building the vocabulary and before i knew it i denounced the Bible. The only thing that i held on to is the experience. Christianity experience is not what is in the bible trust me. But it is good to some extent. My hesitation with African spirituality is its corrupted practice. Looking at the words you realise that the titles of the African healers are misaligned with what they do today. Eg Sangoma gives you a hint that this person heals using music. Nyanga heals using the power of the moon. But as far as what i see, nothing fits those words. I think even African spirituality needs a reform too. Otherwise people will jump from wrong to wrong again.
If Jesus died for our sins why have sin increase? and is still increasing? why there is war and so much hatred in the world? why does white hate black?Why there is envy? Greed? Etc.
"A man must provide, protect, problem solve but a woman just need only to submit" Ei that's deep. We need conversations like this, where different religions can have deep discussions without getting emotional. Give Thanks!!!
this was terrible....Abba ngeke bhuti, you partially disregarded your own teachings/belief...the sister needs a self boot camp and a deep understanding of history beyond her family teachings, how can she sit there and approve criminality on top of that miss the propaganda pushed by her church to gain more followers, they can barely feed the close community or hungry church follower who gives they last cent in hopes that GOD will feed you but run to fix" a roof" for a total stranger and call that the work of God!!! i guess feeding the hungry ones that actually give the tithe is not GODs work...thats a marketing strategy at play.
Jesus is not God The "holy trinity " isn't in the Bible Consequences of eating the forbidden fruit is hard labor for men and unbearable labour for women. Jesus did not die for our "current existence " sins. The are miracles meant for that time in those days. Speaking in tongues is basically hearing language u can not understand. This giving tithe, Sundays is a sin its for those with vast land and cattle to give to charity those in need. Jesus prostrate calling upon God ,why do url stand in congregation praying? Also why do url use the cross "crucifix" for protection when it's a torture structure?
