I’ve not been George’s greatest fan as this journey started, but his expression of passion about not being boring really pulled me. It’s about F%#^ing time George!
Andrew is superb. I’m sad that I have never encountered him before. Always thought provoking with every word well thought out and adding to the conversation.
Who cares? Just look at his Pepsi! He doesn't even need to talk. Just show us the watch the whole episode. 🤣 Seriously though, yes, he's fantastic and really keeps things on track. I need to go back and look for more of his content from T&T too.
He is refreshingly well-spoken. It’s a pleasure to listen to all three of them conversing with one another. It certainly makes me wish that the development of proper grammar and language were a bit more prioritized here in the US.
My thoughts exactly... without discrediting Adrian and George, Andrew rarely goes off-piste and tables some very intelligent and well thought out questions. Adrian and George are more extreme and controversial (in a good way) with their opinions and so when Andrew sits in the middle and can dictate the pace, I feel as though this is the perfect combination and chemistry.
That episode was quite wholesome! Really love how George is so passionate about quirky, weird or just more interesting watches. Not everyone needs a black sub, but even if someone wants one - that's ok because in the end it's just being passionate about watches for one's own reasons.
Dan Henry owner here! I didn’t think I’d ever hear anyone talking about them. I only got it cause it’s what I can afford. But I’m pleasantly pleased with it….great show guys.
George loves the wacky, unorthodox and creative watches. Andrew loves the classy, timeless and deep watches. Adrian likes classic, traditional and functional watches, so it appears to me, and its nice to have such a wide eclectic bend of tastes.
Something that piss me off…including a date window that looks like an after-thought. It’s location, how it can break up the dial design or cause strange shaped hour indices, when it’s background color doesn’t match the color of the dial, and at times…it’s inclusion at all. I often prefer no-date watches simply so I don’t have to deal with a poorly executed date window.
I just can’t stand the date window period. It won’t stop me from buying the watch but I see it as so particularly pointless when your collection starts to grow. I rarely set my date as I change watches to often. And then when it’s wrong anyway then what’s the point.
@@marcusflack1523 Thanks Marcus. Quite the story to this watch. Waited for over a year for the right spec. Made a deal with a dealer in Germany. Flew over and met in an airport hotel. Flew back the next day. No one ever understands why I flew to Germany for a watch. I love it so much. Not to everyone taste but is so special for me.
Didn't think I needed a watch podcast but these have been a ton of fun to listen to. I love how you all have different opinions on things but enough respect for each other's expertise and experience to "politely" disagree and challenge perspectives.
Pet peeves: 1. Not enough watch brands make quick release straps 2. Watch websites not showing the price, “click here to reveal the price”. Why?! 3. Well established watch companies with the tech to make smaller movements still cutting corners and selling us unbearably thick watches.
I love how this discussion went so beyond just the chemical reaction of those fast-reacting metals into a sentimental and emotional debate about how those changes actually make you feel. The whole idea is just so bizarre and fascinating at the same time!
Loving this channel fellas, it’s quickly become my favourite watch channel. Just great energy you all produce as a collective. Fresh and different. Man keep building this!
This show has made me really appreciate my more colorful quirky pieces, and always great fun to see you articulate gentlemen speak openly and honestly about the watch world, and the different journeys you are on.
I’ve been “seriously” collecting watches for 20 years, since that first Speedmaster reduced (the one I could afford with first job savings). What I found out after all these years is that the “quirky” tend to leave the collection and the “boring” tend to stay. I see watches as timeless craftsmanship of beauty and engineering (include the Zenith Defy Ceramic for reference), and as deal breakers the trendy for the sake of trendy - insert watch brand/model with blue/pink/yellow coloured dial here - even when beautiful and well engineered. Side note: this show rocks!!!
Great conversation as always guys.. loved every second. I have issues with fixation around in house movements. So many brands including the holy trinity didn't make in house movements in the 70s and 80s and back then it was acceptable and suddenly it's become front and centre!!
Great job guys. Really enjoying the channel and spreading the world. Whilst I agree with George about not drinking the cool aid, buying a watch because you love it and not for the value going north, like any collection it has to balance between value and your personality. For example his comment on him purchasing limited edition collaborations being future collectables i.e. he is buying because they will going up in value…The challenge as someone new to collecting with no long term track record at an AD is how to find the balance. Clearly you have to access the grey market but that’s a land mine on its own. Would love to see some practical tips on how people can start, how do you manage AD relationships, ways to buy on the second hand market, how do you find out about upcoming collaboration releases and maybe how each of you think about a collection.
Very enjoyable! Love the banter. Learning more and more about this world of watch loving and time keeping. Big fan of the show. I also have a "boring" 36mm black rolex OP, but it reminds me of my grandpas black sunburst dial 36mm seiko, so I really enjoy it. Today's episode was really well timed. Had some bad news from death in a close family, this episode helped cheer me up and distract me. Thanks for the time and effort. Hopefully you are working on more episodes and sponsors. Very tempted to get that Four Pillars gin. Maybe yall can put a link to the product in the RU-vid description, so they can get more buyers, and continue to sponsor more episodes!
Wow Michael. Thanks for sharing a little of your story. Sorry to hear it’s not great news. But glad we’re bringing a little ray of light in there for you. We will def get onto the links in the description. Great call indeed. Go well my friend. And success with what the future holds.
Great job once again! I always look forward to these episodes. That Seamaster 300 on the nato looked great. I’ve always kept mine on the bracelet but maybe I’ll have to try a strap.
You guys are such a nice bunch. Unpretentious, passionate and most importantly "human". Life is short and I'm glad good people like you want to share this joy with the everyday joes.
Really enjoy the show/podcast, gentlemen. Having three people with big opinions/personalities discuss watches creates conflict while maintaining a lighthearted, respectful mood, and I love it. I enjoy the dynamic between the three of you. I can sense a ton of mutual admiration for one another despite your different and unique perspectives. Keep it up!
Yep. What you are watching is truely a great reflection of their lads relationship. It’s super fun to film and see where the freight-train takes us each episode.
I really enjoyed the conversation about developing your own opinion on watches, and George’s point of view. I do think he may be missing that in order to develop a nuanced/enthusiast opinion, most people end up going through the “usual” things. TLDR; you rarely start out as a taste maker, but that doesn’t devalue taste making.
For BYOI, I have to nominate Traska. I have a Traska commuter, and it’s heavily inspired by the Oyster Perpetual. But it has so much more soul. Because Traska brings their own hardening process to the outer case, the watch feels like it has something of its own which Rolex doesn’t, and that elevates it beyond a simple homage at a cheap price. When they spoke about which watch you would wear in 5 years, I know that my Traska will still be there.
I second Traska. I really wear watches (the only time they're off my wrist is when using the facilities), but appreciate it if they cannot show the beating they get through everyday use.
Also precisely why I'm very interested in RZE ever since Andrew brought them up in one of the latest episodes' BYOI. If only I could find the green dial Resolute in stock.
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Great episode as usual. I love the chemistry of you guys. Keep up the good work!
Need to make the show an hour. You guys could go on and on. You are all interesting and funny each in there own way. It's interesting to watch how a topic will spin off for a bit. Very enjoyable.
I really enjoyed this discussion. As someone who is new to the world of watches I am finding these conversations really helpful for me to distil what it is I want from a watch. I love the fact that watches are so much more than the sum of their parts, its the reason you can talk for hours about this stuff. Cheers
My first mechanical is the Tissot PRX, just because it's an attainable watch and it looks like the Royal Oak. I have a friend who shown me his Royal Oak a few years back, but I wasn't into watches at that time (due to being a poor uni student), so when I was a little annoyed at how often I need to charge my Apple watch a few months back, the PRX rekindled my interest in watches. Now I have 10 watches in my collection 😂
Holy smokes. 10 watches that’s amazing. And yeah. What a great piece for the collection over the Apple Watch. Great to see your growing the collection.
I absolutely agree with Andrew regarding his point on novelty. I’ve noticed this heavily within my 7 years of collecting. There is this subconscious grind in some facet towards something, that you want to better represent you at that time. Like Adrian, I too appreciate and enjoy the explorer 1 and 2 for similar reasons. I want to be respected and liked as long as it doesn’t come at the expense of being just another someone else.
I think it’s great to continue to asses yourself and apply it to your watch selection. Why not. It’s like I don’t wear the clothes I did as a teenager now. So why can’t that be the same with a watch huh!? Thanks for sharing Steve.
One of my favorite micro independent brands is RGM out of PA, USA. I just love their 801-COE, 222 and several others. The 222 is a reworked old Hamilton movement which they have done a brilliant job on. They do produce a few of there own movements but are up front on all their movements and where they derived from. Their engine turning (guilloche) is up there with the best.
I also want to know “why” someone bought/wears a watch. I once met someone through work that was wearing an old tag heuer that didn’t work. I asked him about it…….it was a wedding gift from his wife and he had worn it every day since. He wouldn’t break the streak to get it fixed! Point is, sometimes we project what we think when we see someone wearing a watch. As George said……what’s important is why they wear it!
Love seeing Oris getting so much love. They did an event at one of my ADs with an Airstream and the big bear and all the new watches. Super stiff vodka tonic, my dad left with the last Dumpster Diver they had. Awesome time, love my Aquis love the brand and I'll definitely be looking forward to some new dials in the PPX.
Every time I shoot an Oris I see them raising the bar higher and higher. Their finishes are keep improving and the progressive approach to their design is a winning formula.
My wife’s favorite brand is Oris. She loves the design language, loves that they look unique instead of just a copy of someone else. They do unique work like the Upcycle. I think she also loves that she doesn’t see people everywhere wearing her same watch.
Patina: I’m with Adrian - Patina’s beauty is in the fact that it is an honest measure of time and loyal service. It has to be earnt. Wearing something 2 months old which looks like it was made by the Flintstones undermines the entire charm.
I don’t know. I think it’s like so many things in the collecting hobby. It’s just another element to play with and make the hobby so much more interesting. Let the other watches do the natural thing. And have both I say.
I collect watches that I like and those that especially have stories and meaning. I am not at all concerned if they are boring to someone else. Great episode, please do more. Thanks for the content and entertainment.
This episode perfectly sums up how we're all similar but different. Most of the time I love all the choices in AET and here I'm listening about bronze - check, I love it, complicated crown guards - check, I love it.. most of the time now everything is rehash of something else and vintage inspired watches fits there nicely so I'm with George looking for something exciting and it can be something small, it doesn't have to be crazy ass design. Currently I'm mostly drawn to neo vintage era as I feel it's not as much prostituted like everything else. Great episode 🤘
I knew what Andrew was talking about when he said nipple crowns. Tank is one of my favourite classic watches and now I cannot unsee it. Thanks man for the chuckle.
I had a feeling he was talking about a Tank, but it didn't sense as he's previously talked about wanting a Tank, and the Tank is just as much about the nipple crown as it is the case shape. He's a confusing chap!
I had a Oris 80th Anniversary Bronze and sold it a few weeks ago. Loved the green and the bronze however the thought of it starting to patina killed me! If they could create the bronze with a coating so it didn’t patina, that I would love!
Shame you got rid. Just smear it with toothpaste and give it a brush. Comes up great. Every few months is plenty. I hate the aquamarine colour from heavy patina.
@@marcusflack1523 That’s a good one…. Just really appreciate how level headed his comments are. Love the trio but just identify more with Andrew’s positions and his atitude towards the hobby/industry.
This is it! The three most charismatic watch enthusiasts come together to inform AND entertain us smartly. That's my cup of tea. Bravo, gentlemen, I doff my hat to you.
I’ve got an Oris Pointer Date 80th anniversary. That’s the only bronze watch I’ve got and will ever own. I like it but I don’t wear it in the summer, the bronze has a very autumnal/winter look to it and in the summer it turns my wrist green!
@@AboutEffingTime Gianni Agnelli and his PloProf on the custom shirt cuff are looking at you while they are speeding away in a yellow Dino. Take a long hard look at yourself 😂😂😂😂😂
I love bronze, I am with Andrew on that one! And my bug is: overcomplicated watches. So yes, you can stick your tourbillion where the sun doesn't shine...
I don't think micro brands are a fad. I think what too many of them are doing is a fad, i.e. churning out the same vintage inspired dive watch designs. The ones that will survive are the ones doing something different. Direnzo is one that is doing some kick ass unique design. I love when a brand has such a distinctive design language that you know it when you see it before you read the branding on the dial. Direnzo are a great example of that. About sporting partnerships... Oris is partnered with the New York Yankees at the moment. Every time I watch a game on TV and see Aaron Boone (team manager) wearing his Aquis I think about buying one... so it's probably a matter of time before I do.
I laugh at people overvaluing a specific colorway on a watch. And also when brands have a “new release” but it’s the same watch in a different color. Is this the 2nd century when particular dyes are rare and expensive or something…? It’s like they remember Apple advertising different colors of iPods 20 years ago and didn’t understand why that worked.
Hi Guys, Another great video. I generally prefer my watches on a bracelet. I understand that isn’t an option for all. However, for those where they are available, the lack of adjustability drives me nuts. We all know the micro adjustments can be done, and done well. So there is no excuse for this one. BTW, I put Panerai back on my “consider” list. I also added the Cartier Tank to my list - thanks for highlighting that one! Andrew, did you get one?
This video beautifully shows how subjective our love for watches is. George said it best, go with what works for you(!) Forget the mass opinions, forget the value, just get what gets you excited or makes your heart skip a beat 👍😎
The watch I’ll still have in 5 years time is my Tudor Heritage Monte Carlo. I say it’s one of the watches that goes with every type of bracelet, rubber, metal, leather or nato it works with them all. Also it holds a sentimental value having lived there for a few years. Regarding a watch deal breaker, it has to be the box. I could love the watch but if it doesn’t come in a good box I wouldn’t buy it. I know some brands have gone ‘green’ but quite frankly just give me a nice wooden box 🙌🏼
Wow. Now that’s a perspective I have not heard before. I’m curious do you still place your watches in their boxes when your not wearing them. So the box remains on display?
@@marcusflack1523 I think sometimes the box is forgotten about but it’s part of the experience opening the box. Mind you the old Tudor box was much better than the current one, however the gloss effect did ruin it! Some of Omega’s boxes are stunning! Unfortunately not due to lack of display area in the house I’d love to have a walk in Watch Closet, one day! 😁
This may be my favorite episode thus far. Excellent comments while exhibiting a nice camaraderie. Comments on Micro Brands were spot on. I think they are here to stay, but Baltic was my "Seiko" gate way watch getting me into the game (well, restoring my Dad's 1962 Omega Sea Master was really the imputes and then came my Baltic Aquascahpe and THEN many Seiko's). I will always love Baltic and Lorier (great watches by great people), but I can't say I look too much at other Micro Brands now (unless they are different - think Studio Under D0G and Brew, but I don't own them yet). Oh, and shout out to Scurfa - harder to obtain than a Rolex, but great watches by another husband and wife team (the other being the aforementioned Lorier). Also glad to hear Dan Henry mentioned although I don't own one. They seem to be loved, but indeed the Micro Brand market is becoming a bit saturated. What are your thoughts on Nivada Grenchen? Hard to say if they are a Micro Brand given their history but sine the relaunch, they more or less are. I very much like the hardware but so far, pretty much straight reissues with a few modern materials.
Adrian, I’m not a Bronze guy but love the ‘aged steel’ on my Zenith Pilot 40mm ltd edition. Doesn’t age like bronze, doesn’t scratch like steel….win win
I was in Printemps department store in Lille France this week and in the watch section, a guy serving me had the Bamford G shock on - good choice, and representing GB overseas!
Andrew - I really appreciate your gut check for George. That’s compelling video. Though if I can critique, The Grubel Forsey 30 degree tourbillion is a complication for today’s market. It’s built purposely for wristwatches - you guys whiffed on that. Speaking to your video topic - My personal pet peeve is 4 O’clock date windows. Why?! I’m a symmetry guy, but can appreciate a purposeful asymmetrical design aesthetic (A. Lange, FP Journe) . 4 O’clock date windows are a non starter for me.
While I also do not like bronze watches and their “patina” I will say that I disagree that thinking of how a material or watch ages and taking that into design consideration, is wrong. That foresight is so interesting to me and I can’t wait to see advanced thinking around this.
This Omega Railmaster you showed, we purchased for our youngest son when he graduated college. It was less than $4,000 USD. Well worth it, and a great “starter watch”. But now I see these at AD’s for well over 6k now. Ridiculous! And…the ONLY thing I hate about Tissot…is the “T” on the back end of the second hand. I know why they do it! But it looks so cheap. I’m wearing a Seiko Prospex Alpinist (Grey-ish) dial… and, I love it! Even more than my Omegas.
Adrien should check out the Stowa Flieger Bronze. They are treated so that the bronze doesn't patina. Mine is about 4 months old and basically looks the same as it did out of the box. I think he'd also appreciate the history.
Ohhh really. I’m gonna check this one out. Thanks for the tip Mike. Wow. Just did so. They are superb. And under 10mm thick. Stunning simple field watch. And open case back to. Nice one.
Agree full heartedly with George about tourbillons. Unless it's a 3 axis cage etc etc just put it on the back like a cool Patek. How much better would that Moser vanta black be 🔥
Great episode again! Re Dan Henry, I think Andrew is right. I have a large collection, including expensive watches but also 3 Dan Henrys. Some of them are comparable to Furlan Marri, but for half the price.
