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Unraveling the Mysteries of Fionna & Cake Episode 6 "The Winter King" 

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Episode 6 of Fionna and Cake, "The Winter King," is a frosty wonderland of mystery! Dive into our in-depth breakdown and analysis as we thaw out hidden easter eggs and unveil the secrets shrouded in the icy kingdom. You don't want to miss this chilling adventure!
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@KnightSlasher
@KnightSlasher 9 месяцев назад
The winter king is so messed up but the fact that our simon hated what he did says alot about how much he changed as a character
@abhikergaming7783
@abhikergaming7783 9 месяцев назад
@@maillardsbearcat No he meant how much the Winter King changed as a person (for the worse)
@abhikergaming7783
@abhikergaming7783 9 месяцев назад
@@maillardsbearcat Yeah I know but the winter king clearly changed as a person and for the worse
@nigou2706
@nigou2706 9 месяцев назад
​​@@maillardsbearcatit is character development, just a negative one. We usually see positive character development more because it feels good but people can also change for the worse
@Freerunemem
@Freerunemem 9 месяцев назад
​@@maillardsbearcat1. PB is a pretty bad person. 2. A character starting one way and changing into another character, regardless of the reason, is character development.
@nigou2706
@nigou2706 9 месяцев назад
@@maillardsbearcat he is very different from Simon despite starting with the same backstory so he definitely had has character development even if we didn't saw it. If he didn't he would just be either ice king or Simon not winter king. Just putting the crown is not character development but what you do or don't do afterwards is.
@_marshP
@_marshP 9 месяцев назад
*The reason our Simon doesn't die when he loses his magic is because he was reset by Golb, meanwhile the Winter King just lost the magic without Golb
@madmantheepic7278
@madmantheepic7278 9 месяцев назад
Exactly, he was broken down to his fundamental form (without all the magic of the crown or its influence) it was like the crown never interacted with him in the first place and then spat him out.
@Aldenfenris
@Aldenfenris 8 месяцев назад
Yeah, in the episode when there was this monster destroying magic, it turned off the crown and Simon turned to normal, but that caused him to age/almost die within a few hours because of that. (Albeit not as fast... perhaps this winter king is even older?) Glob simply undid the crown and left Simon as he was before the crown happened. At least in body.
@angelopizzulli7
@angelopizzulli7 7 месяцев назад
also, betty made the wish to keep simon safe, however it was to be done
@bunnyveverka7421
@bunnyveverka7421 18 дней назад
yeah, it was kind of like when bella noche took away his magic and he started dying from old age
@erickmoczulski1582
@erickmoczulski1582 9 месяцев назад
Everyone misses the point with Simon. Simons defining characteristics is his kindness and compacion. When he sees demon child crying in a middle of apocalipse he helps her even tho he's totaly not in a good position himself. When he's being chased by Ozers and comes across crowbar and pillow he chooses pillow as a weapon. When we come across the winter king he looks like everything we would want Simon to be. Powerfull, immortal, sane, inteligent and fun. But it is revealed that this situation came into being purly because he didn't care about anyone other than himself. Simon might be depresed but at the end of the day he's doing what he's doing because he wants to help others.
@Obi-Wan_Kenobi
@Obi-Wan_Kenobi 9 месяцев назад
And this is strongly paralleling Fionna and Cake. They are only doing what *they* want to do at the expense of others. They are going around ruining other dimensions so they can make Simon Ice King and restore their world even though that would mean wiping away their world's existence, a world other people really like. Fionna is beginning to realize what she wants isn't right but Cake doesn't seem to care and wants Simon to be Ice King again even when it makes him suffer. I have a feeling the series will end with Fionna sacrificing her happiness for the happiness of others. She's going to make a selfless choice and even though she won't get that magical world she always wanted, she'll find happiness in the joy of others and acceptance in her ordinary world, as non-magical as it is. Adventure isn't the cure for depression and Fionna is going to learn this. But Cake? Cake I'm not so sure around. Cake is acting increasingly reckless and irrational regarding the crown and putting a lot of people in harm's way to get it. I don't know if she'll be ok with not making Simon Ice King and (and this is an extreme scenario) the show may end with Cake being the final obstacle Fionna might fight and overcome.
@Gimliyoke
@Gimliyoke 9 месяцев назад
see this guy gets it, he gets the point that the show was making once the winter king was brought upon adventure time, he wasn’t a quirky funny character he was a pitiful example of all Simons wishes that torment him.
@zeeperry1576
@zeeperry1576 8 месяцев назад
This makes sense. Simon is, e.g., tormented by the memory of Betty, while Winter King couldn't care less. It's this callousness that allowed the winter king to do something so villainous that even the Ice King would balk at it (projecting his madness on Bubblegum and then willfully keeping her like that for over 100 years)
@roast_beef
@roast_beef 8 месяцев назад
honestly that would have been sick@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi
@NickyYey
@NickyYey 8 месяцев назад
​@@zeeperry1576well deserved if im being honest
@Honor_mp3
@Honor_mp3 9 месяцев назад
I have a different theory about ice Marceline : - In the song we see Simon and young Marceline getting attacked and the monsters are the same as those who went after our Simon and our Marceline after Simon promised her to never use the crown again (when he hide her in the car). - In our univers, Simon breaks the promise and kill the monsters but it's not what we see in the song. Here, we see them BRACE FOR IMPACT. - I believe the winter king kept his promise (kind of) and he survived but not Marceline. - I think that's why it's a YOUNG ice Marceline : he never got to see her all grown-up
@mstart_t8975
@mstart_t8975 9 месяцев назад
I choose to go with this one
@parasitophobia
@parasitophobia 9 месяцев назад
This is very notable however the ice replica has her axe , which I believe is something she gets when she’s a teenager , so how does that work if she dies as a young child with the theory in mind ?
@devden07
@devden07 9 месяцев назад
Maybe Marceline‘s dad found out and tried to kill Simon but he had gone down such a path of grief that he killed marceline’s dad and took the axe as to remember marceline or Ice king got the axe because Marceline’s dad understood that marceline wanted Simon to have it or something
@bigmannn2443
@bigmannn2443 9 месяцев назад
​​@@parasitophobiaI think op is just looking too far into this and simon just missed the father daughter like relationship he had with young marceline so he decided to make a replica
@mars1289
@mars1289 9 месяцев назад
😅😅g😅😅u😅hi?yhu😅 y
@hainanegins9672
@hainanegins9672 9 месяцев назад
Something that could help the theory of the winter king killing marceline is when Simon asks if there's a Betty in that universe. The winter king shrugs off Betty and just sees her as "the dead one" that he hasn't thought about in a long time. He then goes on to state that Simon can make a new Betty out of ice before he immediately says that would be "unethical." The parallels are very similar. Matceline is dead, so the winter king makes an "unethical" ice version of her. He's being a bit contradictive and hypocritical. It's almost as if he's trying to justify making ice marceline in his head.
@FichaGris
@FichaGris 9 месяцев назад
I mean, it doesn't prove that he killed her, just that she died.
@conradaster3764
@conradaster3764 9 месяцев назад
Yea I think it's more likely that she passed before more than likely from the oozers. The WK may have even left her behind 😢 he's about garbage enough to do that.😮‍💨 lol
@jackhhun2698
@jackhhun2698 9 месяцев назад
to be honest he's a lot like bubble gum who did a lot of unethical rather dictator things whilst also preaching about ethics
@sdsaddwsa3514
@sdsaddwsa3514 9 месяцев назад
My opinion is that Marceline was killed either by oozes or vampires and that's the reason why Simon is so jaded. It'd also explain why he'd create a Marceline as a child. She'd have to die somewhere as a teen as that's when she got her axe (so vampires most likely). This would also explain the absence of humans since Marceline shouldn't have been able to save them.
@icymoons
@icymoons 9 месяцев назад
​@sdsaddwsa3514 i don't think so since it showed her with the bass, which she got from Hunson Abadeer. so this Marceline definitely found a way to her father - which in our world she only managed to do because of Simon and his knowledge on magical artifacts.
@Naguimar
@Naguimar 9 месяцев назад
"Fionna's cake has had 0 service across the multiverse" LMAO I just laughed at this for 2 minutes straight
@timothysharp39
@timothysharp39 9 месяцев назад
I know it's a cartoon, but I would enjoy that cake
@knifeturtle8799
@knifeturtle8799 9 месяцев назад
​@@timothysharp39🤨
@prod.royalsg1630
@prod.royalsg1630 9 месяцев назад
@@knifeturtle8799nah hes onto something
@MrBoneMalone
@MrBoneMalone 9 месяцев назад
@@prod.royalsg1630She's just a cat? Oh, now I see what will happen.
@Beeandpuppy
@Beeandpuppy Месяц назад
​​@@MrBoneMalone my turn :3
@happyhattergamer8078
@happyhattergamer8078 9 месяцев назад
I loved the Winter King’s song. It was like a Disney song, and when I learned about the Winter King’s true character, it REALLY felt like a Disney song! :D
@neonjoker
@neonjoker 9 месяцев назад
Hehehehehe 69th like
@cerisemin
@cerisemin 9 месяцев назад
One thing I noticed, Marshal Lee was quick to call in a favor with his mom to get the lemoncarbs to Gary. But he told Fionna he couldn’t ask a favor from his mom because they were on bad terms
@woffiecocoa
@woffiecocoa 9 месяцев назад
He actually pretended to be his mother. When the Lemoncarbs come into the Cafe, they say "her" instead of "him" when referring to who called them there.
@drengr5384
@drengr5384 9 месяцев назад
@@woffiecocoa I'm not disagreeing, but that statement is a nothing burger considering Marshal Lee's mother would be a woman, and if he asked his mom to pull some strings it would make sense for her to be the voice the lemoncarbs hear
@conradaster3764
@conradaster3764 9 месяцев назад
Oooooooo!! I MISSED that! You damn sure right! The SHADE, hunny!
@cerisemin
@cerisemin 9 месяцев назад
@@woffiecocoa actually he didn’t 🤭
@MontycelA
@MontycelA 9 месяцев назад
@@cerisemin Shut your passive aggressive ass up.
@chaossin7425
@chaossin7425 9 месяцев назад
I feel like Ice King wouldn't have come up with the idea of projecting the crown's madness, so maybe there was a little truth in the force of will thing. But that would have been a very temporary solution, so Winter King's first decision was to offload the madness before he lost himself again.
@LocalArchangel
@LocalArchangel 9 месяцев назад
He really just pulled a "Double it and pass it to the next person" kinda deal huh
@JoseCruz-kd4nt
@JoseCruz-kd4nt 9 месяцев назад
I like to think morally out simon is a better person which is why his Ice King didnt think of it
@louzo5175
@louzo5175 9 месяцев назад
also a paralel to pb's dum dum juice pb got karma after all of that
@conradaster3764
@conradaster3764 9 месяцев назад
@JoseCruz-kd4nt also I think there are a few factors that lead to this IK being FAR more angry, selfish and devious . It appears the WK was never THAT into "Betties" (if you get my drift) and Marcy's earlier death (seems like it was caused by the oozers going from WK flash back and psychology ) not Mention no fine and Jake. Since he could care less about Betty, he didn't have the princess protocol , so it appears that he spent most of his time trying to stop the crowns voices.
@arturohernandez5509
@arturohernandez5509 9 месяцев назад
⁠@@conradaster3764maybe the whole thing with bella noche still happened too so maybe in that quick window of sanity is when he decided to make the plan and set himself up to go through with it once the magic returned
@nicknagasaki960
@nicknagasaki960 9 месяцев назад
The winter king literally swapped mindsets with princess bubblegum when he made her crazy, he became EXACTLY like princess bubblegum. A sociopath obsessed with perfection, very intelligent but unlike bubblegum, he admitted magic was real.
@egg_bun_
@egg_bun_ 5 месяцев назад
This is a good point actually 😳
@Luc42
@Luc42 Месяц назад
Except PB does genuinely love the Candy People. As hilariously incompetent as the Banana Guards are, she keeps them around despite how little they do to legitimately protect the Candy Kingdom. The only competent Candy People with comparable intellect to her own are Gumbald, Lemongrab, and Peppermint Butler. If anything, Winter King exhibits personality traits more on par with Lemongrab. Still highly intelligent but antisocial. He's a control freak. Everyone in his kingdom is a snow golem that will follow orders without question or a penguin.
@iceluvndiva21
@iceluvndiva21 Месяц назад
That's what I noticed too. That was my first warning sign.
@29holden
@29holden 9 месяцев назад
My theory is that this world was Marcelines wish. Couple of reasons why, 1. Prismo’s wishes love their monkey paws, especially when they impact the wisher (Finn’s wish turning him into the IK, or BMO stuck as a baby monitor, meaning he can’t interact with his cute baby friends) 2. We never hear any mention of what could have or did happen to Marcy. 3. Last clear memory Simon would have of Marcy wouldn’t be as the vampire queen, but as a young girl. So here’s my theory. A version of Marceline, 100 years before the start of the show, gained access to the time room. She wishes that simon was sane. This gives WK the ability to transfer his madness. Now, what’s a good monkeys paw for a wish like this? That’s right, that the madness is transferred to the other most important person in her life (they may have even been dating). Now, Simons still left with the sadness and the magic, while her girlfriends full on mad.
@cleangamer220
@cleangamer220 9 месяцев назад
this is a good but very sad theory
@ultrajasperworld
@ultrajasperworld 9 месяцев назад
wait, bmo made a wish?
@Em-a-good-man
@Em-a-good-man 9 месяцев назад
I can get behind this theory (and omg the bmo baby monitor makes so much sense 🥲) but consider this: it was Betty’s, not marceline’s wish! The monkey’s paw is that Simon doesn’t think of her and laughs when she’s mentioned. He only refers to her as “the dead one,” and we see across the show that it’s really important to Betty that Simon remembers her. (She even pretends to draw out her last words when she’s the virus in the crown because she just wanted Simon to never stop thinking about her). Marceline’s feelings towards Simon and the Ice King were also really complicated I think. I think in the I remember You episode Marceline tells the Ice King that she’s used to moving often because he would come around and bum her out 😭 and she def had abandonment issues about the whole thing idk if she would go out of her way to make a wish with prismo for that, and if she did, I don’t think she would have made it 100 years ago but rather when she was much younger. I think Betty made the wish with prismo last resort before finally resorting to summoning Golb. Betty wishes for a sane Simon but the cost of that wish is that Betty isn’t around to experience it. And the fact that Simon made an ice Marcy and put her in what looks like a pet zoo to remember her and he couldn’t care less about Betty is just salt in the wounds for her. BUT IDK bc how could people make a wish with Prismo and then go on existing in their OG universe and the wish universe or is that just how it works??!!! Lol
@RiotousHail
@RiotousHail 9 месяцев назад
There was the ice version of Marcy that melted
@29holden
@29holden 9 месяцев назад
@@Em-a-good-man You know, I had that exact thought last night. I don’t think it’s the case, just because his forgetting of Betty isn’t as extreme as a monkey’s paw. Like Marcelines life would be ruined by this wish. I’m not even sure Betty would be in that universe, because Marcy would have to give him Hambo, and since she’s not here, Betty can’t come back
@le-moons
@le-moons 9 месяцев назад
When Gary meets Marshall Lee, he grabs a bat on a stick and when they are at Lord Monochromicorn's shop, Marshall is looking at bubblegums. I also saw others point out that Marshall Lee's interest on Gary's Candy Kingdom kind of antiparallels Marceline's song Wake Up in which she sing "I don't really care about your stupid Candy Kingdom"
@sebastyann123
@sebastyann123 9 месяцев назад
I mean I'm pretty sure Marceline was interested on PB's kingdom at the beginning since she met PB when she was creating it, the wake up song happens a lot after when they both were going at each other troats lol
@buhbabs
@buhbabs 9 месяцев назад
I personally believe that in the winter kings world, marceline died as a child while still in the apocalypse situation with Simon. This is why we see her in her child form, since that is the last form winter king saw marce as, she never got to grow up. This grief made him “unethically” make an ice version of her, most likely after casting the spell on bubblegum. I don’t think he killed marceline, or if he did it was when she was still a child. Her presence seems to be plain absent in that world, especially since PB doesn’t ask about her after gaining sanity. This might contribute to winter kings state, being less empathetic n stuff. Just thoughts
@mikeviveros8003
@mikeviveros8003 8 месяцев назад
Then how does he posses the bass if Marceline got the bass when she was a teenager?
@conradaster3764
@conradaster3764 9 месяцев назад
Its more likely that marcy died very young from the oozers...the "ooze chase" seems to be an important moment to this WK just like for all Simons and in his song that's when he said he "didn't know what to do" . For someone as narcissistic as the WK, the oozers scene is an interesting footnote that he could have EASILY omitted, after all. Its more likely that the WK abandoned a child marcy to her fate out of cowardice only to (perhaps even years) later return and recover the only thing thing that was left of her...
@mikadosannoji553
@mikadosannoji553 9 месяцев назад
it could be like that or winter king locked her away just like princess bubblegum did with the lich and uncle gumbald
@conradaster3764
@conradaster3764 9 месяцев назад
@mikadosannoji553 doubtful. During his flashback of the oozers, he has a moment when they are totally beset by the oozers and ultimately overwhelmed. No other simon we've encountered thus far has had that experience.
@Electronica27
@Electronica27 8 месяцев назад
It's a crazy good detail that they added, of ice melting in bed next to an axe bass. I'm sticking to the "she left both of them realizing the mistake she made"
@MarxistMomentum
@MarxistMomentum 9 месяцев назад
I wonder is The Winter King making a crown for Simon wasn't some kind of trap, because he was definitely evil, so it's logical to assume that it all may have been some kind of trap, or maybe he just genuinely wanted to help another Simon.
@Adam-326
@Adam-326 9 месяцев назад
He’s not evil, dude. He genuinely wanted to help Simon and the gang. His conflict with the Candy Queen doesn’t have anything to do with it.
@JunJunSilly
@JunJunSilly 9 месяцев назад
He genuinely wants to help but consider how he said he will teach simon, they might make simon transfer their insanity to fiona and cake
@rita6355
@rita6355 9 месяцев назад
Maybe he would have transferred the rest of the madness to out Simon
@brawl8
@brawl8 9 месяцев назад
If he was making an exact duplicate. The madness of the crown would have been projected to someone. Winter king has no qualms of pushing the madness to someone else. Fiona may have become ice Fiona. Without the ice.
@Adam-326
@Adam-326 9 месяцев назад
@@brawl8 So, regular Fionna? Jokes aside, I don’t think that there’s enough evidence to suggest that the madness would have to be transferred somewhere else, or even be in the cloned crown to begin with. Besides, Simon needs the madness, doesn’t he?
@doubledekercouch
@doubledekercouch 9 месяцев назад
I like how he’s just as insane as ice king, but in a completely different way
@HiAgainTheNameIsStillAyle
@HiAgainTheNameIsStillAyle 9 месяцев назад
I like to think Ice Prince will be what Simon becomes when he actually gets the powers back
@griti07
@griti07 9 месяцев назад
oh that would be amazing, finally a win for simon.
@crunchysalmons
@crunchysalmons 9 месяцев назад
agreed, he resembles our simon greatly
@louzo5175
@louzo5175 9 месяцев назад
yee but w stronger empathy bc he xan relate to more bc our went tru some shit
@chohle2543
@chohle2543 9 месяцев назад
i had the same idea. winter king's existence proves to me theres a part of him that kinda wants to be a thot so i think getting his own magical girl transformation would probably idk be therapeudic or something
@neonjoker
@neonjoker 9 месяцев назад
​@@chohle2543I read this three times and I still need an explanation
@coltondickson3509
@coltondickson3509 9 месяцев назад
What I saw when fionna was starting to fight was more like a enchantment/technology acting similarly to a animated weapon or more or less acting on its own while fionna stands there and let's it have at it
@spaceturtle8889
@spaceturtle8889 5 месяцев назад
Yeah it looked like it was moving on its own. I thought that was pretty hard to miss.
@Hanmacx
@Hanmacx 9 месяцев назад
CQ: "I put you into a Blender with me" Simon: "what a nice metaphor" CQ: "not a metaphor" 😅
@6catsinanalley
@6catsinanalley 9 месяцев назад
“There is one key difference between the iceclops” Me: Nipples! Paxw: the hats Me: oh yes of course, the hats
@jacksonholder2987
@jacksonholder2987 9 месяцев назад
I'm pretty sure Fionna and Cake aren't removing the magic from items. What's happening is simply that items they contact are being converted to equivalent items from their own universe: a combat knife becoming the household butter knife, the hotdog knight becoming a simple hot dog, and the ice crown becoming a mere trinket. It's not so much removing the magic from things as it is being turned into items from a universe where there is no magic.
@TekRonan
@TekRonan 9 месяцев назад
Am I the only one who instantly saw The Winter King not sharing the voice actor as Simon as foreshadowing that he's changed for the worst after the twist was revealed? Hear me out here. Outside of Fionna & Cake's world, alternate universe versions always share a VA with their main Ooo counterpart. We see this with Farmworld Finn, Winter King world Bubblegum/Candy Queen, and an exception to what I mentioned before with Fionna & Cake, with those lemongrab versions sharing the new voice for regular Lemongrab. But Winter King is the one version who's not who he seems out of these and he's the only one to be casted with a different voice. Coincidence? I think not!
@m.v.gonzalez5575
@m.v.gonzalez5575 9 месяцев назад
Crazy theory: the ice pince is a remanent of the crown's curse, he doesn't have a crown but the three gems in his outfit. Maybe just as the crown has an eco of it's former users maybe there's an eco of the curse in Simon's head still...
@Wolf950
@Wolf950 9 месяцев назад
We would be mistaken if we assume Fiona is taking magic away from items. The sword that became a knife wasn't magical to begin with. Instead I believe Fiona and Cake are someone changing things to be in alignment with their home universe. Everything is plane and normal the way it was from Simon's time.
@sebastyann123
@sebastyann123 9 месяцев назад
" Instead I believe Fiona and Cake are someone changing things to be in alignment with their home universe." that's literally taking away its magic lmaooooo
@Wolf950
@Wolf950 9 месяцев назад
@@sebastyann123 no its not because the items of farm world are not magical. Farm world isn't a magical world its just post apocalyptic. Mad max style. She changed a non-magical sword into a simple butter knife. Clearly you lack reading comprehension skills because I mentioned this in my first post. Lmaooooo
@sebastyann123
@sebastyann123 9 месяцев назад
@@Wolf950 "Farm world isn't a magical world it's just post-apocalyptic." The literal main plot of that world was Fin becoming the ice King, but I guess he was actually shooting some material similar to liquid nitrogen out of his hand and he turned everyone into ice blocks in a non magical way.
@Nytesplat
@Nytesplat 9 месяцев назад
@@sebastyann123the ice crown is the only item in farmworld with magic, this is blatantly stated in episode 3.
@EmmaB208
@EmmaB208 9 месяцев назад
Yeah, after watching episode 6 , I really do believe that, seeing as BMO turned into the exact same alarm clock seen in episode 1 while cake was holding him
@CinnamonGrrlErin1
@CinnamonGrrlErin1 9 месяцев назад
This episode was just about perfect to me, especially with the animation. But the main story and little details really put it above the other episodes for me (although I've loved everything so far). Ellis P squatting in Fiona's apartment got the biggest laugh from me, I'm glad AT can still be goofy at times.
@jade_carp
@jade_carp 9 месяцев назад
Congratulations he didn’t reply 🤣
@jaykogenn
@jaykogenn 9 месяцев назад
19:38 thats cleary not simon but one of the lemon garbs
@DagothsCollection
@DagothsCollection 9 месяцев назад
Every single time a new episode drops it becomes the new best. Jerry was incredible, such amazing writing in this series
@axolotl482
@axolotl482 9 месяцев назад
about the friendship of Marshal and LSP being friends, they also hung out in that one normal episode where they robbed Breakfast Princess during the princess meeting so they're just always friends
@Hanmacx
@Hanmacx 9 месяцев назад
Simon: "i can fix her" WK: "she doesn't need fixing" Yes she is perfect 😅
@Plexxis_SugarPom
@Plexxis_SugarPom 9 месяцев назад
Something I've noticed about this episode is that, if ice king DID exist and simply banished his insanity to Bubblegum, why was Candy Queen so obsessed with him? He didnt seem yo care all too much about Betty, so it doesnt make sense that Bubblegum has a facination with kidnapping any princes or even him. So, Ive come to two theories. Theory one is that Candy Queen's infatuation with being with the winter king is actually because of the crown. He transfered the insanity bit of the crown to Bubblegum, so it seems that perhaps Cany Queen's attwmpts to "unite them" together is a literal way to reunite the powers of the crown. My second theory is that, along with banishing his insanity, Winter King also banished some emotional feelings he had for Betty. I feel like many insane characters are insane because of a huge emotional issue, so tie that together with a pretty bow and ship off a two in one to bubblegum? Makes sense to me. But anyhow, i feel like the first one is more plausable.
@anyonewanttoplay7922
@anyonewanttoplay7922 7 месяцев назад
Well we see Candy Queen is obsessed with the Winter King. The Ice King is obsessed with collecting/marrying princesses because of his past with Betty. We know that some aspects of Simons mind along with many of the effects of the crown. I believe that Winter kings timeline plays out the same with Betty and all, and when the spell is cast that turned Ice king into the Winter king it transfers emotional feelings of Betty along with the other main drivers of Ice kings insanity. This is why in the episode the Candy Queen is obsessed with capturing the Winter King and also why the Winter King only remembers Betty as the one "who died". So I mostly agree with the second theory but I don't think he did it on purpose, rather it was a side effect of whatever wish/spell that caused the Ice King to turn in the first place.
@Plexxis_SugarPom
@Plexxis_SugarPom 7 месяцев назад
@@anyonewanttoplay7922 ooh, that's good, I haven't seen anyone really consider my theory so it's nice someone wants to talk about it!! In retrospect, I actually think theory 2 is more plausible now, so yeah I agree with your sentiment. Do you think Winter King purposely chooses to forget Betty now that he's Winter King?
@mr.berserk8339
@mr.berserk8339 9 месяцев назад
Does anybody remember the episode Simon becomes normal? The first thing he says is that (this is it, I’ve reached a SUPER INSANE ZONE where I feel like I’m just normal again) maybe this is kinda what happened to Winter King, he still has some of the insanity and memories loss of the crown effect but he feels like he is simply normal
@giotte4643
@giotte4643 9 месяцев назад
19:46 I think that might be one of the Lemoncarbs than the Winter King since they're famous for their food business so why wouldn't it be in the papers.
@jacobstarnes8530
@jacobstarnes8530 9 месяцев назад
The winter king is a really messed up person because he literally could have put all the madness on like a random old dude in the candy dungeon or something
@BegitoBrah
@BegitoBrah 9 месяцев назад
I mean Bubblegum is pretty evil herself so
@conradaster3764
@conradaster3764 9 месяцев назад
I like how the programming of the crown was trying to force BB to "become one again" in a sort of Fullmetal alchemist style cause effect game with an indication that the more magic used and time passed, the more intense the longing...she WAS only going to use the blenders 1st setting afterall...
@cofagrigusfan24
@cofagrigusfan24 9 месяцев назад
there are 3 things i wonder about regarding this episode 1 - who wished for the Winter King universe? 2 - whoever made the wish, where are they? 3 - how did BMO escape the baby universe? (remember that BMO met Shermy & Beth) and we saw thanks to Finn's wish & Wyatt's wish, the characters who make the wish, are transported to the new universe Finn was only able to 'escape' due to Jake's wish
@dubiousgm
@dubiousgm 9 месяцев назад
I don’t think that every universe is made from a wish, if so everyone would have had to meet Prismo in order to have their wish and they would be gone from the dimension
@papanurgle8393
@papanurgle8393 9 месяцев назад
Maybe an alternate reality Ice King who wished for his sanity back and got rebooted into that world. The projection of madness/evil of the winter king may have been the "monkey's paw" Prismo mentioned back when he first met Jake.
@zcgamerandreacts2762
@zcgamerandreacts2762 9 месяцев назад
Not every universe is made from a wish.
@louzo5175
@louzo5175 9 месяцев назад
​@@dubiousgm a bimo did wish the bby universe tho its possible its bimo from one out of diferent uniberses
@Josuh
@Josuh 9 месяцев назад
@@dubiousgmI think the ones we have seen so far were made off wishes but don't quote me on that
@OmgItsKavi
@OmgItsKavi 9 месяцев назад
i didn't notice all the small details in the similarities between the winter king's kingdom and princess bubblegum's candy kingdom, that's actually really clever. i also don't think the ice prince will actually show up in the series as a real person, i think he was just a manifestation of fionna's escapist fantasies and this whole ep was kind of showing her why doing that can be problematic, so i think the ice prince was just a foreshadowing of winter king...in the first episode ice prince turned into her alarm clock that woke her up and snapped her back to reality, and in a similar way winter king also snapped her out of her escapist fantasy and brought her back down to reality
@T_Moon
@T_Moon 9 месяцев назад
One thing i thought about, the way fiona takes the magic out of the crown reminds me of when simon was inside golb, maybe some of golbs "magic removal" is still lingering inside simons mind which would explain why fiona and cake can remove magic, because they are from inside simons mind
@The_melon_man
@The_melon_man 9 месяцев назад
That makes a lot of sense but that also means simon cant become ice king again or would become a sane version?
@josephsimmerman1630
@josephsimmerman1630 9 месяцев назад
17:40 I realize the Winter King must have made a wish with prismo to transfer the madness of the crown!!!
@rentristandelacruz
@rentristandelacruz 9 месяцев назад
Regular Princess Bubblegum already has some issues. Now combine that with the craziness from the crown and you'll have the super crazy Candy Queen. The original Ice King (Simon + crown) is crazy but not as crazy as the Candy Queen.
@justnoob8141
@justnoob8141 9 месяцев назад
She look exactly the same as I remember
@RPEliott
@RPEliott 9 месяцев назад
I've mentioned this on other videos but I really think part of why Winter King doesn't care about Betty could be that he actually did watch her die. Remember in the main world Betty disappeared because she hopped to the Future when Belle Noche was taking magic away. This leads to Simon/Ice King never knowing what happened to her and therefore dwelling on it for a thousand years and capturing Princesses because he called Betty his princess. But if Winter King became Winter King 100 years ago it's probable that the Belle Noche event never occurred, Betty never made it to the future, and we're left with this universe with a Simon who doesn't care as much because that obsession is gone.
@Gingerru
@Gingerru 9 месяцев назад
25:58 I just noticed a neat little detail. When the winter king tells finona to knock out the candy queen , his teeth are sharp. Throughout the episode he has normal teeth, tho.
@TheBigE9999
@TheBigE9999 9 месяцев назад
2 things 1. I hope we get to see a universe where betty got the crown 2. That baby universe is gonna be the darkest one ever. because that's not the hand lich, that's the natural lich of that universe. meaning there's a second one running around and he's probably gonna start snapping baby necks like nothing soon
@kaden-sd6vb
@kaden-sd6vb 8 месяцев назад
Oh God you're right-
@jerrimyhealy5063
@jerrimyhealy5063 9 месяцев назад
The winter king is one of my favorite characters, these past two episodes have been some of the best it's so nice to see farmworld fin
@zenmelodyvt
@zenmelodyvt 7 месяцев назад
I personally felt that the Candy Queen was still smart enough to know what happened despite the madness and her solution to her problem was just to kill the Winter King as it would undo the curse
@oberdan4233
@oberdan4233 9 месяцев назад
2:07 I like how one is using the "Symbol" of the other, one with a Bat in the stick and the other with Strawberrys in the towel
@Mustfears2016
@Mustfears2016 9 месяцев назад
I’ve noticed and love how the lemons garbs look like the lemon grams from when main lemon gram got mad at other lemon gram and bit his left eye out but the lemon garb In white has her eye covered up with her hair and I absolutely love this tv show wasn’t expecting to have cursing in it
@Asi-Lives46
@Asi-Lives46 9 месяцев назад
My theory was that Marceline died as a child which was what the difference is between Simon and the Winter King, which is probably why ice Marceline was a child and not a teenager. I could be wrong but it was what popped in my head at the time.
@rainbowquartz9513
@rainbowquartz9513 9 месяцев назад
This was one of my favorite episodes ever! The music, the colors, the animation. Plus while the winter king sucks as a person, but I still love him. 🩵🩵🩵🩵
@bloodyraptor6251
@bloodyraptor6251 9 месяцев назад
I found it weird that WK was able to charge a phone, but then i remembered Ice King's Ice lightning was able to charge NEPTR, so..
@gramblidge
@gramblidge 9 месяцев назад
I really hope that this series continues in some aspect and we get more adult Finn, idk, I just miss him. Plus, it would be a cool dynamic for Finn to see these characters he thought were fiction to be real and interact. Maybe he could take a mentor-like role for Fionna.
@SnoTheSkeleton
@SnoTheSkeleton 9 месяцев назад
could the shield on fionna's right shoulder be a foreshadow of the fact that she will get a metal arm ? its only on the right side, same side where all the finn's lose their arm. the shield also has only three studs which is the amount of fingers the original finn has on his arm
@mattsa9540
@mattsa9540 9 месяцев назад
Maybe baby finn is foreshadowing because essentially all the universes seem like big "what ifs" What happened to farm world after Crossover? What if Ice King wasn't a madman? What if They were babies? I feel this next episode will be What if Humans never left Ooo? Or "What if Marceline EMBRACED becoming the vampire queen?
@ElMachoGringo47
@ElMachoGringo47 9 месяцев назад
I dont think Fionna and Cake are stripping away magic from universes but instead they're transporting the the parallel versions of each item they touch from their universe or maybe other universes.
@themanwithtomanyeyes8282
@themanwithtomanyeyes8282 2 месяца назад
I love it how it takes entire episode for Simon to die without the Crown, without any major signs of aging. But Winter King experiences body horror of speed up aging in 30 seconds.
@bleujay6127
@bleujay6127 8 месяцев назад
I love rewatching this episode and finding the parallel between winter king and princess bubblegum and in vice versa the parallels between Candy Queen and Ice King
@Obi-Wan_Kenobi
@Obi-Wan_Kenobi 9 месяцев назад
Regarding your theory on Marcaline, I think it is mostly true but I don't think the Winder King has it in him to actually kill Marcaline. I could see Marcy either running away after PB goes insane, Winter King banishing her somewhere or even Marcy just cutting contact with Winter King and living somewhere alone in his kingdom.
@saltydoescosplay1787
@saltydoescosplay1787 9 месяцев назад
I think the reason winter king is adamant about just knocking out candy queen cause if anything were to happen he needs a place to transfer the crazy that is in the crown cause even simon says he's been putting the crazy part of the crown into pb for 100 years
@explore_space.
@explore_space. 9 месяцев назад
We should make them make a season 2
@ammonite0257
@ammonite0257 9 месяцев назад
Kinda seems like single season, 1 and done type of thing
@radioactivemoose05
@radioactivemoose05 9 месяцев назад
@@ammonite0257yeah like distant lands they promised us more, but that was 2 years ago and we just got Fiona and cake a month ago
@MapBotTheElsagateKiller
@MapBotTheElsagateKiller 9 месяцев назад
My theory on why there is a ice Marcy is somewhat different. When Simon was starting to go insane my the crown, he left Marcy to protect her, maybe in this universe Simon never left and he eventually became the Ice King. Then, because he forgotten about who Marcy was and she might had made him angry, he could have killed her with his magic. Once he became the Winter King, he probably made a ice version of Marcy, which makes sense on why this ice version of her is still a kid.
@Clownish_bug
@Clownish_bug 8 месяцев назад
Oooh good theory
@Maji-gh3gi
@Maji-gh3gi 7 месяцев назад
He created ice marceline when he died the ice marceline melts meaning she's created by him the real marceline is already dead or the show still haven't showed us
@drengr5384
@drengr5384 9 месяцев назад
honestly that silhouette looked more like the lemongarb in black rather than simon
@Nat.Cla.
@Nat.Cla. 9 месяцев назад
yeah
@tackoz1045
@tackoz1045 9 месяцев назад
I love the irony in the episode where in Adventure Time, Ice King kidnapped PB all the time but when Ice King is Simon again and now is seeing someone else kidnapping, he feels bad about it lmao
@lexruptor
@lexruptor 9 месяцев назад
I also think they're playing with this idea of Ice King's power. Think about it, Winter King can just make their phone multiversal? Simon even said a few eps ago that if he were Ice King, he could take care of a whole army of guys like The Scarab. I think they're teeing up Ice Prince as what our Simon may become, and that his power level is way higher than we ever knew it was in the OG Adventure Time, which imo is kinda cool.
@pugofwarbr
@pugofwarbr 9 месяцев назад
maybe Simon will take Scarab's job, and granted ice magic from the 'boss'.
@jesstar119
@jesstar119 9 месяцев назад
these videos are incredible recap for fiona and cake and cake all the references within it!!❤❤thanks for always making and posting these videos asap
@fancybirb3332
@fancybirb3332 9 месяцев назад
19:40 this is probably more likely one of the lemon carbs in the newspaper, since the lemon carbs were just established to be influential people that already exist in this world, also the silhouette isn’t wearing a crown like the Winter King is when they first meet.
@jeshirekitenkatt1212
@jeshirekitenkatt1212 9 месяцев назад
i'm surprised you didn't mention the bit about the keyboard mirroring the first episode of adventure time, where the ice kind has the same keyboard but made of ice.
@MarxistMomentum
@MarxistMomentum 9 месяцев назад
Candy Queen is officially one of my favorite characters! I would honestly be very upset if CQ doesn't appear in some way in the future, possible from another universe where she still exist.
@johnstevenson1861
@johnstevenson1861 9 месяцев назад
Well, it's the multiverse. It can be possible. The rules may be different and theoretical. I did enjoy CQ and the introduction with her and the Winter King. Creating a mythical pull to this world. Even though it was cut short and later revealed due to being an episode. The problem remains it can't just go unnoticed. As Fiona, Cake, and Simon broke the narrative timeline they were in. Prismo Boss or others might have to split the timeline in two to keep the Spinoff forward. Letting the original timeline exist without the Fiona and Cake crossover event. Then again this is a theory. These realities have potential. Thanks to anyone who reads this.
@MarxistMomentum
@MarxistMomentum 9 месяцев назад
@@johnstevenson1861 I read this, and you're welcome!
@parasitophobia
@parasitophobia 9 месяцев назад
I would KILL to get more content of that universe or atleast a timeline where Candy Queen and Winter King are still alive and kicking it. They’re both very interesting characters to me and it makes me a bit sad to know that we won’t see em due to how the canon of this universe plays out . I’m thankful for people who are able to conjure up media of some kind for aus like this for reasons exactly like this lol
@rachelcordor1193
@rachelcordor1193 8 месяцев назад
Same, her song was my favorite out of all of them
@nanabobo567
@nanabobo567 9 месяцев назад
The thing about Winter King is that he's done one confirmed very, very evil thing. He's transferred his own madness to someone else. That's wrong. But consider: Princess Bubblegum did very questionable things throughout her life. She spied on her subjects, used them for experiments, and of course the whole "intentionally trapping her family in less intelligent minds so they didn't hurt her" thing. Is Peebs evil for what she's done? If not, why is she good but Winter King is evil? An interesting moral question, isn't it?
@prod.royalsg1630
@prod.royalsg1630 9 месяцев назад
I think he was telling the truth when he said he had overcome the crown with his mind, just not to the extent that he initially implied. Remember, the crown also erases your memories and ambitions. For him to even recognize the perilous nature of his insanity, he would need some sort of push, and what would be the perfect push? Self-realization. I think through will power alone he did in fact resist the crown, but only to the extent that he could realize the necessity of curing his own madness.
@mrsunderstood8141
@mrsunderstood8141 9 месяцев назад
The picture on the news paper actually resembles one of the lemon garms more than the winter king
@kingocto
@kingocto 9 месяцев назад
I think all ties into the cosmic imagination. Having two entities that are imaginated, tough, cancels out the magic. I also think this is a metaphor of growing up. When we are young, we can imagine whole worlds. As we grow older, that imagination gets reduced.
@limonx6778
@limonx6778 9 месяцев назад
I like how the ice scouts are basically pearls lol
@sarahgreen238
@sarahgreen238 9 месяцев назад
Because of the episode Beyond the Grotto, I was actually super creeped out by the Winter King even though I didn't pick up on anything else that pointed to his cynicism
@Femboy_Grey
@Femboy_Grey 9 месяцев назад
At 19:42 I believe that is actually a silhouette of the lemon garbs? The Rich female version of lemon grab, they would obviously be in a newspaper as they’re very famous
@spacejasontodd
@spacejasontodd 9 месяцев назад
yeeeeEEEEEEE I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS, THANK YOU!!
@johnstevenson1861
@johnstevenson1861 9 месяцев назад
What's interesting, Cake touched the Crown and it didn't suck or kill the magic they were in. It makes me wonder why. Why later. Enjoyed the show. Thanks to anyone who reads this.
@emmarald975
@emmarald975 9 месяцев назад
The magic drain only seems to activate in moments of extreme happiness. That’s my guess.
@idioticlight
@idioticlight 9 месяцев назад
@@emmarald975 or extreme emotion in general
@justice8718
@justice8718 9 месяцев назад
Cause plot
@pugofwarbr
@pugofwarbr 9 месяцев назад
maybe because Prismo changed her to be magic, while Fiona is still a regular human.
@willropa4226
@willropa4226 9 месяцев назад
Ice Marcy could be that Marcalene died young by the Oozers. We see in Winter King's flashback song him and young Marcy being jumped by Oozers, maybe after that incident, Marcy unfortunately perished (He couldn't find that chicken noodle soup. 😥 ). That might explain why Winter King remade her as Marcy and not Marcalene, there is no adult version of her for him to think up of when recreating her, all he had was her as a child.
@Alexjb-vh4cz
@Alexjb-vh4cz 9 месяцев назад
That just looks like a lamp that is just next to a couch story telling alien
@ninjakiller23735
@ninjakiller23735 9 месяцев назад
My theory is that Shoko was the one to “introduce” Marceline and Princess Bubblegum. Marceline used to live in the treehouse, and Shoko died with PB’s amulet, so PB could’ve met Marceline while looking for the amulet. Since Fionna is an alternate universe Finn, and Finn is Shoko’s reincarnation, this tracks.
@cesarvictoriano8072
@cesarvictoriano8072 9 месяцев назад
I think the Ice Prince is the last bit of Ice King left inside Simon. Surviving through Fionna’s subconscious like how her world does in Simon’s. He’s probably not gonna wanna go back to Simon Ice King him because he would stop being the cool and loved by Fionna Ice Prince.
@DonMr
@DonMr 8 месяцев назад
Good theory.
@sdsaddwsa3514
@sdsaddwsa3514 8 месяцев назад
What's cool is that when Ice King was insane he looked for Betty through princesses who would eventually cure him. Candy Queen looked for the Winter Prince and in her song she says "the recipe is true. the key ingredient is you" perhaps meaning that in her crazed state she was looking for a cure through him. One way would be killing him, hence the eventual "escalation"
@blueartist4329
@blueartist4329 9 месяцев назад
I REALLY love these videos!!
@70Lu07
@70Lu07 9 месяцев назад
This episode made me theorize on how the Season might end I can see it ending in a massive cliffhanger where Simon saves Fionna and Cake by giving them the remote before Scarab catches him, with Fionna and Cake ending in the land of OOO and the Remote possibly breaking or something, the Buttons not working, and now they need to find a way to save Simon and their universe that is inside his head
@nadiahill5447
@nadiahill5447 9 месяцев назад
if the winter king is pb in this universe it makes sense fiona has a crush
@zevfeinstein2051
@zevfeinstein2051 8 месяцев назад
My theory is I think Simon slightly misunderstood the curse. It didn't transfer "the madness of the crown" but rather "things Ice King didn't like about himself" -- that is, being stupid, depressed, obsessed with Betty and princesses, weak, etc. So you get Winter King who is always cheerful and smart and super powerful but also still loopy and total sociopath. Not actually "sane". I don't think anything diverged before the curse. Marcy definitely didn't die as a child because she didn't get her bass until she was a teen. Probably she got in a fight with him because of what an evil thing he did, and he made a little Marcy because "that's back when she liked me".
@deutschesmanutter1395
@deutschesmanutter1395 9 месяцев назад
5:20 remember that it was clarified in the show that her realities became distorted dreams. aka different plot and characters. similar but. not much.
@averageyoutuber5393
@averageyoutuber5393 9 месяцев назад
I wouldn't be surprised if the series ends with Fionna's world destroyed, then the screen fades to black, then it returns with Ice King waking up.
@johndwolynetz6495
@johndwolynetz6495 9 месяцев назад
the lich being just a cool easter egg in fiona and cake spoiled like milk.
@SlendRed88
@SlendRed88 9 месяцев назад
(seen in 32:06) Also a cool detail that I could've just overthinked; Fionna's laying in that baby's chair (idk what the word is in english) and at the top of her head we can see 3 objects hanging: • A cube with the letters BA • A small plastic Duck • a toy with the shape of a virus Guess what the first letter of duck is: letter D. If we put some creativity on, we can form the phrase: BAD Virus, foreshadowing what the antagonist says: Fionna and cake are a mistake, a virus for other universes of some form
@oliverrites2656
@oliverrites2656 9 месяцев назад
Oh i can't wait for the breakdowns for episode 7 and 8 😂
@laotasurfs1110
@laotasurfs1110 9 месяцев назад
I do not see a "gumball dispenser". I see a chair, a side table, and a table lamp. I can't tell what's on the gorund in front of it. Maybe an open book?
@fujiwaranonekobiodrando1257
@fujiwaranonekobiodrando1257 9 месяцев назад
13:20 I originally thought it looks like a prison, But I think it just looks like some fancy castle windows
@michaelmartinek7408
@michaelmartinek7408 9 месяцев назад
19:45 that's one of the lemon carb sisters. I believe it was foreshadowing the next scene to come.
@valsfilms9200
@valsfilms9200 8 месяцев назад
I love mysterious, fantasy shows like this with a lot of lore!💗💗💗💗
@jenniferoconnell-brownrigg1620
@jenniferoconnell-brownrigg1620 9 месяцев назад
The newspaper photo that you said was Simon or winter king is definitely a lemon garb
@lavioncrhd907
@lavioncrhd907 9 месяцев назад
My favourite so far is 5 But 6 also really well done Can’t wait to see more
@isdajohu
@isdajohu 9 месяцев назад
Loved hearing Brian David Gilbert as winter king
@milesvids8840
@milesvids8840 9 месяцев назад
If the Winter King killed Marcy 100 years ago, she's still be adult sized. I think this is the universe where Simon never managed to get the chicken soup for young Marcy. She died from her sickness, there was no Hambo so no time portal bringing Betty forward in time so she's just dead to and Ice King is totally and completely alone and detached and jaded so he makes up the curse for Bubblegum
@milesvids8840
@milesvids8840 9 месяцев назад
And that's why the ice Marcy is of young Marcy. Forever young because that's when she died.
@johntheseeker8901
@johntheseeker8901 9 месяцев назад
I've got a theory on why the Ice Marcie is there and why she's in that room alone. It's possible that Marceline died during sometime while Simon and her were escaping from all the mutant guys. It likely caused him to become even more mad and unhinged. I think it makes sense because Winter King's statement about Simon making an Ice Betty makes more sense if it's to recapture something precious that was lost. But it's unethical and unhealthy. Which leads me to the room itself, which I think is to keep her safe and hidden. I also think this works for why there is no Finn and Jake in this universe, since Marceline wouldn't have been able to protect and guard the humans the way she had, leading to there being either less of them or humans dying out.
@Joe-mamas-house
@Joe-mamas-house 9 месяцев назад
The naked bird looks like the little bird magic man turned inside out in the EP “Freak City” in OG adventure time
@gingerbreadcrumbs3451
@gingerbreadcrumbs3451 9 месяцев назад
the ice prince kinda looks like Patience St. Pim's version
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