Unusual Kidnapping Reveals Shocking Mental Health History | Cleo Smith Case Update and Analysis 

I am Australian and this case was all over the national news. I really though there would not be a happy ending. Usually, when a young female child is taken like this they are usually deceased within 24hrs. To be found alive and reasonable well after 18days was like a miracle. This is really a crime that shook an entire nation. I think tears fell all over Australia when we heard a little girl tell the police "my name is cleo"

Yes, although we are grateful that Cleo survived the ordeal, it does society a disservice to imply that means Terrance “deserves” a lighter sentence. She was RESCUED, he didn’t turn himself in.

Recovering Cleo alive and comparatively unharmed was such a relief. I think the world really latched on because it was such an awful prospect, but her being safely returned to her family was cathartic.

She sounds like a strong girl. She was bossy with him and demanded chocolate. I hope she recovers from her nightmares. .

I’m terribly sorry Terrance had such a horrific upbringing but he is a very dangerous man. The probability that he would reoffend cannot be left to chance. And Cleo will be more amenable to therapy if she knows he’s away and can’t harm her

This story had rolling coverage accross Australia. I was in the shopping centre when the news broke she was found alive and complete strangers were cheering and hugging eachother.

Her parents will probably never recover from the emotional damage as well.

I remember this. The parents were given a hard time in the court of public opinion. Thank goodness Cleo was found, or it might not have gone well for them.

That's one of the craziest abduction cases ever. Terrance was basically adding one more doll to his collection. He should never be let out.

Dr. G, you should show a map when you reference places like Perth. heck, the truly fortunate among us don't even know where New Jersey is.

Thank you for this analysis! I live in Perth, Western Australia and this is the first time I've heard anything close to a real explanation for why this crime may have occurred.

Cleo would not have been found without the resourceful police work of WA authorities. They performed a stellar job!

Another masterpiece from Dr. Grande! Sadly, as a Behavioral Health Technician and a Special Education teacher I work with disturbed (ED; ODD, SMI) children daily...and have for 2 decades in residential group homes, schools, mental wards, and juvenile correctional facilities. My heart breaks at the irreplaceable psychological damage a neglectful and abusive childhood brings about. I have to struggle with my own emotions to remind me of my professional boundaries. All I can do is show kindness, compassion, and understanding so they will know that not all people are the same and yes, that they too, can be loved, appreciated, and respected. So grateful this little girl was found alive!! My wish is that correctional facilities would provide mental health services for inmates...althoughvI am not sure if this would decrease the rate of recidivism.

Whether the kidnapper commits murder or just wants to have a thirty-year tea party, the effect is the same on the family. Had Kelly not been caught, they would've spent the rest of their lives thinking the worst. This guy deserves to be locked-away for a very long time.

I was so relieved that Cleo was alive, & I listened to the guy’s terribly sad upbringing. But in the end, I agree with you now, as he knew it was wrong. Still, I believe he needs hospitalization in a psych ward. I don’t think prisons provide that well. For sure, he can’t be let loose. When? Ever? I don’t know but think it will happen.

As grateful as I am that Cleo was found alive, I really hope he did not molest her.

Such a strange and sad case. I was amazed and so happy when Cleo was found alive since it's so rare in such abductions. Thanks for the update, Dr. Grande!

The comment about Bratz doll's proportions reminded me of an article I read in the 1970s. The Barbie doll was huge in the U.S., and the Mattel company wanted to expand into Japan. But Barbie was a big flop in Japan. When Mattel studied the failure, they discovered that Barbie, with her very large breasts, tiny waist, and super long legs, was considered a bit freakish by Japanese standards. Much more popular in Japan was Barbie's younger sister, Skipper, who is flat-chested and has a normal waist and legs. The issue of American dolls setting abnormal standards of beauty has been going on for 50 years lol.

This was such a disturbing case back then. I remember being on pins and needles until she was found. As bizarre as this case was it turned out the best that one could have hoped for. It was a terrible time for Cleo and her parents. Cleo was no doubt terrified of finding herself in the company of this man, and her parents dealt with the trauma of her missing for 18 long days, along with them being cast in suspicion. In saying that, the outcome was more than any of us could have hoped for.

In 1973 a little girl named Suzi Jaeger was camping with her family in Montana. She was taken from her tent that her family was also sleeping in. She was murdered. The killer cut open the tent and took her. It happens. Parents need to know that keeping your child away from the sides of the tent is a good idea.

I think the duration of the sentence is appropriate but Terrence was gravely failed by both his parents and the state. The state even knew about his problems since childhood but provided no means of accessing a healthy environment nor therapy. His situation in custody is going to be even more cursed even if he is given access to self betterment facilities and therapy. He will still be alone, without anyone to love, instead surrounded by Men even more violent that him so will definitely come out much worse and with even less opportunity in life because he will be older. If there was better services available to him in his youth, or better still for the generation of his parents and grandparents. This could have been avoided.

So, basically, Terrence was the whole DSM-5. I feel sorry that his childhood was so horrible, but he needs to stay locked up and never let out.

Poor little Chloe has nightmares as reported by her mother. I do hope she is getting the help she needs.

I'll always remember the moment I found out Cleo was found. I was just about to get i to my car and my now widow had his phone in his hand and said "you won't believe this, Cleo's been found, she's alive" I instantly broke down and just said "are you serious" I had so much hope during those weeks, I refused to give in to the idea that she was gone, everyone told me not to keep hoping, but the second she was found I just felt this huge sigh of relief, I'm so so grateful to everyone involved in finding her, well done WA and well done Aus.

11 and a half years until possible parole? Dude. Add a few decades to that, _at least_ ....Brave girl though. Glad to see she survived. Many don't.

What an unusual case. It is tragic the numbers of people in the so-called civilized world who have absolute failures as parents and, as a result, often grow up with a whole alphabet of psychiatric problems and often turn to a life of crime. As always, thank you for your calm and thoughtful analysis.

On a lighter note. Hearing Dr Grande mispronounce "Carnarvon", made me think about how we Australians pronounce it. Which led me to realise, it's a very good word to use for those wanting to practice their Australian accent. We pronounce it a very quick and cropped 'can-NAH-vin'. So with the main emphasis on the middle syllable. Which in turn needs to be pushed out through the nose, but only after you've pushed enough air into your sinus cavity to get it resonating. Practising 'can-NAH-vin' will, in turn, will help you master your 'NAH''s. 'NAH' is a very fundamental term in 'Aussie English', as it simply translates to 'no'. Which, in turn, will help you with your 'YEAH---NAH''s - which means "thank you, but 'no''. You're welcome.

So many horrid cases can be traced to a meth head or a drunk.

I'm Australian and have been waiting for you to cover this case. Thanks Dr Grande!

Dr. Grande, I couldn't help but chuckle over the friends and family discount. Thank God, little Cleo wasn't physically hurt, but she is going to need a lot of love, patience and support in her recovery 💖 I hadn't heard about this case before, thank you for covering it

We appreciate Dr Grande's hard work and effort. God bless him.

It's a miracle they found Cleo we were all fearing the worst! This is a great example of how a community and law enforcement banded together to find her.

Dr Grande he's our man if he can't speculate what could be happening in a situation like this no one can

Love the way Dr Grande pronounced Carnarvon. Its more like Kar-Nah-Von.

Such a tragic case on so many levels. Terrance was a very disadvantaged man, but his obsession with dolls is very disturbing...his unmet need for a parent must have been the cause....I'm surprised he was self controlled enough to work a job.

The amount of defence and pity extended to a man who literally *stole a child* is really unsettling to a sane, rational, moral human being.

Thankyou Dr Grande, I feel your analysis is spot on. Here in Perth Western Australia, no attempt has been made to explain his actions from the mental health side. Alcohol and drug abuse among indigenous communities is a big problem in Australia. Every child deserves to be loved and cared for and poor Terrance never had a chance of a normal happy life. I read he washed and fed Cleo well, even allowing her to stay up late. Even so he will need Mental health care for the rest of his life. I also wish the Smith family a happy life, and I hope they can forget the trauma one day.

I hope he can have a couple dolls in prison! He clearly is mentally handicapped but I agree that he needs locked up. Prison is the right place for people for those who demonstrate that they can’t control impulses

People with such a severe mental illness do not belong in jail but in a mental institution.

Collecting stone unicorns? Almost as weird as collecting sculptures of cacti!

Those aren't necessarily actions of someone motivated by knowledge what they're doing is wrong, but more just knowing if they're caught, they'll take the child away from her. He might have no moral agency at all, but still know outsiders if they detect what he's done would undo it and not want that to happen.

Upon his release from prison, the government should seek commitment to a mental institution until such time as three independent doctors declare that Terence is no longer a danger to others. Yes, I have empathy for him; but I have more for his past and future victims.

Being surrounded by Bratz dolls for a couple of weeks would give me trauma, too!

Thank goodness he didn't hurt little Cleo!

I always thought bratz were a bad influence. They’re so over sexualized and in bad taste.

I can’t imagine the mental turmoil Terrence goes through on a daily basis, and for that I empathize. But you can’t just go around snatching little girls, so he needs to be put away for some time & then be monitored for life. I’m so glad he didn’t touch her (as far as we know?). Poor Cleo.

"Child stealing?"

Having a horrible childhood does not excuse a person to harm another, let alone a child.

What a sad life this life long boy endured. Mental health is so important.

I couldn’t care less what he went through when he was a kid, or how “disadvantaged” he is. He knew what he did was wrong while he was doing it, period. Lock his sick ass up, he dangerous.

Oh man those Bratz dolls were so problematic for me when my kid was little. I had to bow to the inevitable because people would give them as gifts, but those dolls were very creepy and I always felt guilty for letting her keep them.

At least I'm grateful that the girl was returned home (this time). Thanks, as always, Dr. Grande!

People like Terrance might not know right from wrong, but they def know there’s a penalty for these actions.

Damn, this kinda sad. I'm glad he didn't abused her.

That poor young man had the cards stacked against him before birth. I am so glad Cleo was found alive! Thank you Dr. Grande for this fascinating video!

They should keep him in prison, he's going to get out and committ more crimes even murder.

Beautiful analysis and empathetic to all sides. Thank you.

This is literally a Powerpuff girl episode called "the collector"

Wow, what a blessing that the victim was found safely!! 😳 As tragic as his childhood and upbringing was, Terrance is exactly where he belongs 💯 Let's hope he stays there 🔐 🚨 Thanks for another great case, Doc 🏥 As Always, Much Love from WV 🤙 🏔️ 💙 💛

When i was around three, i was playing on the beach with my dad. My dad went inside to grab a beer and left me for around 5 minutes (i was a very smart kid and knew to stay where i was). A man came, picked me up and ran. My dad saw as he was coming back and chased him. Bystanders called the police. They eventually found me within an hour, the man was hiding with me in the woods by the beach. He was mentally slow/ill, and when they asked him why he took me he said because i looked like a pretty doll. This is chilling. I have no memory of the incident, thank goodness.

Thanks for your videos, Dr. Grande! Your videos are always so interesting 💯

I was so happy when Cleo was found i cried. Honestly i wasn't expecting such a "good" outcome. Another great analysis. Thank you for educating us. ❤

I'm less concerned with what a culprit "deserves" and more concerned with the danger posed to society and the deterrent provided by a sentence.

Thank you for the update Dr. Grande! 😊

Always look forward to the Australian cases.

That was a fascinating psych analysis you did on his behavior. Thank you, Dr. G! My prayers for that baby girl 🙏🏻

I think like many people, when I heard Cleo was found I cried 😢 with relief that she was alive and her mother and step father would be reunited with her. 🙏 But I'm so angry that this monster was not sentenced harsher. He is clearly a danger to society especially innocent children.

Great analysis for trending topics. Thank you dr.Grande 👌

He actually has foetal alcohol spectrum disorder, intellectual disability, and multiple personality disorders. He has been abused in every way imaginable in his early years. It is comforting to me that there doesn't appear to have been any motivation aside from this doll thing. He will have an absolutely terrible time in jail.

I have to say, the way you present the story with that calm tone of voice is relaxing and helps me focus better on the events without feeling rushed or stressed. Your calm approach feels soothing almost.👌🏻 Great job on the research, analysis and in the way you tell it!👍🏻

Really disturbing case. I hope Cleo gets the help that she needs it. Thank you for the review, Dr. Grande.❤

Im so tired of this notion that being mentally ill somehow makes you less culpable or less of a danger to society. Its tragic that there are so many parents out there that destroy their children by their own bad behavior, but even if not guilty by reason of insanity, it doesnt mean that that person is any less of a danger, and doesnt mean that they should be allowed to live amongst society. Being mentally ill is sad, and I have empathy for those people, but its not an excuse for committing horrible crimes.

Thank you for covering another Australian story.

Aloha e Dr. Grande, Thank you for your commitment and knowledgeable. Some of us may have a strange sense of healing by simply listening to you. Kindest regards always to you and your endeavors.

Like always completely spot on. Excellent!

How can he receive a light sentence? Would anyone advocating that want him to live next door to them? Cleo has a lifetime sentence.

Thanks, Dr. Grande, i had forgotten all about this odd, disturbing case.

You have done a wonderful job enlightening viewers of what happened and the outcome. Your evaluation, explanation, and opinion presented was so much better than any news report! Great job!

Hi Dr. Grande thank you for covering a local case.😊 the town is pronounced Can-ar (as in aardvark)-von . Western Australians drop the o and is famous for its bananas! I think I would be cool is you could cover the sociology of indigenous remote communities having a higher rate of police brutality family and alcohol abuse while lacking basic public services or government support. These communities have many parallels with the indigenous reservations of America. It would add context to the crime commited being attributed to systematic neglect

Sounds interesting.❤ Thanks, Grande.

The sad thing is, that some people are so entitled, and out of touch, that they'll defend Terrance. They'll never have to experience what it's like to have a loved one senselessly killed. They'll never go through the anguish, or terror. All they want is an easy out. It's easier to rationalize it to themselves as, "it wasn't that bad..", than to acknowledge the discomfort that some people are not able to be integrated into a well-functioning society, and need to be forcibly removed from it. No population is unique from this, it is a worldwide phenomena. It is human.

Very informative. Thank you, Dr grande

great analysis Dr Grande.. thank you ... from Australia.. 🕷

I remember this case too. He was so strange & scary esp w/the🎎 dolls😬Glad it turned out better then it could have. Good analysis again. Thanks Dr G😊💖💖

Thank you again Dr. Grande

Very good, Dr. Grande!

Very good analysis! So glad they found her alive and relatively unharmed!

Good analysis Dr Grande!😃👍👍♥️

By all accounts this girl should not have been retrieved alive. I'm so surprised and grateful she was. I hope that she overcomes the trauma from her ordeal, and thrives as a healthy adult. Many blessings to her and her family.

love the new setup dr. g !

I am in healthcare in that state. I think this is an excellent analysis; particularly interesting take with regards to culpability.

I lived in Carnarvon for a time, and there is a lot of dysfunction in the indigenous community, violence, neglect, theft…

Very informative, and interesting

Being a brat and demanding chocolate from her kidnapper- that's one tough cookie!

That poor baby went through some sht that i know. I pray for her and a complete recovery and hope she gets all the help she can because she is gonna have trauma. Shes alive and that is a miracle. much respect to the police and officials that continued to search for this girl non stop even after it looked to them that she might not be found alive. thank you for your hard work and determination. 🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️❤️.

Working on a Saturday.....but at least its Grande styles !! Thanks for the company Dr G 😂 and thank you for covering this we were all so scared for lil Cleo so fantastic to have a nice ending for once 🌼

Thanks Doc. I followed these events in real time. It was close to sinister. appreciate your professional assessments. As always, love ya 🐈🐾

Wow...very interesting analysis!

As an Australian seeing this case on your channel is quite amazing you do not know how big it was at the time.

love your🌵collection, Dr. Grande